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I don't care how bad it gets, should never have shut down the economy.

All this social distancing, mask wearing, avoiding crowds, ad nauseum can be done without .guv mandates. The governors, including Buttlock(as my 15 yr old son calls him), the moron we call a gov. here in MT., should be held accountable for the economic destruction they've reaped in the coming months, years, (decade?) ahead.

What are the unemployment claims going to be next week? We're already over 10 million in just two weeks.

The husband of the lady my wife works with is a radiologist in the local hospital system. He basically hasn't worked since the shut down and his office was running 9.0 before the shutdown. He has serious concerns about the back log that is accumulating and how that will put back needed care months down the line for people that have serious health issues or are on the cusp of early cancer diagnosis. And that is just one aspect of the health system.

How many premature deaths are going to occur as a knock on effect caused by shutting everything down? When NATO was bombing the crap out of the Serbs back in the 90's something like 14 civilians were killed for every one Serb soldier. Reminds me of the Janet Reno protocol, "in order to save the children we must kill them".

Like IRFUBAR mentioned, how many small businesses can survive this? We are still looking at weeks if not another month or two of shutdown and then a possible shut down in the fall when the "flu season" starts up again?

...and people are worried about toilet paper... friggin' A!


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When Trump cited the 100,000-240,000 death estimate last week many independent doctors questioned how they arrived at those numbers. They felt then that it would be high but not that high. Based on what I'm reading Trumps Corona Virus task force used models showing 50% of the country in a lockdown to get to those numbers. The model predicted 1 million + with no intervention. But with over 90% of the country shut down they are now predicting numbers around 80,000 or maybe even less.

Those death estimates go up to Sept. 1st BTW. If I understand this the deaths should peak in the next week or so and start to decline. But we will still have issues all summer.

I don't like this any better than anyone, but the quickest way to get back to normal is to prevent it from spreading into other areas who so far have not been hit hard.

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Most people don't really want the truth.

They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
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In 40 yrs they have not developed a vaccine for aids, why do they believe this will be different? herd immunity has enabled man to survive for millennium.

But that doesn't serve a political agenda.....

The panic is media driven.

In 2009 we didn't have the panic over H1N1 ...... why?

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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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I'd like to know just who is hurting? Or at least more than normally so.

In a household of 3, of which 2 are working, both are still employed. And we were actively employed until yesterday when my wife was referred to the covid 19 test center for a nasal swab test. We are now confined to the property by the county health authority pending results of her test. 4-10 days, supposedly.

Up til yesterday we carried on normal business with the exception of our habit of dining at local establishments. But we still support those establishments by ordering carry-out on a frequent basis.
The biggest change for us is not attending regular church services, but we always tithe via online payment and it continues.

Even today, confined to our property we bought lunch for the covid 19 test team at the local hospital using a debit card over the phone. And the drive thru for this deli is busy daily, albeit on reduced hours.

Granted, if my wife is ill with covid 19 she will be the first in our county. And IF SO, I was undoubtedly the vector of illness for her, as I work in a city 60 miles from home and there are several confirmed cases at my place of work. My employer is Critical Defense and Transportation Infrastructure, and has no plans to shut down.

And with all that has gone on I still don't know anyone who has this virus as a confirmed case. My place of work is pretty big with 2500 or so folks working 24/7. Don't even personally know those who are ill there. The passing of Joe Diffie and John Prine has an impact on me. Diffie was a friend of and occasional fishing partner of a co-worker. His song "Ships" could be my personal anthem. Prine reminds us that even those with different world views can have roots like us.

If my wife should perish or become chronically ill, and it be confirmed as covid19 then it would hurt us. Same with friends family, and so on. But that is not the reality yet, and may never be.

Think it's time for the wife and I to sit out in the sun for a bit...


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we dam well need to cut all strings with china fugg them and go back to making our own stuff

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Originally Posted by kwg020
We have not gotten through this yet. If we stop all of the precautions too soon this is where we will be.
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https://bunkerbasics.com/coronavirus-second-wave/

Why the Second Wave of the Coronavirus Could be Worse Than the First
March 13, 2020 by Bunker Bob

The Coronavirus Won’t Go Away for Good
The coronavirus is dragging the world into a recession. Travel bans, celebrity infections, and declining stock prices are sending people into a state of panic. Efforts to contain the spread are stepping up, as more rapid tests are being developed and administered. The pharmaceutical industry is doing everything it can to develop a vaccine. That said, the process of testing and ensuring the safety of a vaccine takes months. So, the coronavirus isn’t going away any time soon.

Evidence suggests the coronavirus is seasonal. The warmer months may offer us reprieve from the chaos. South American countries like Argentina and Chile have a very low case count, since they’re at the tail end of summer. As the first wave tapers out through April and June, we should not grow complacent. The coronavirus is too easily transmitted to go away for good. If we refer to history for guidance, we’ll find that a virus’s second wave can be worse than the first. Let’s turn to the Spanish Flu to see what we might expect from the coronavirus.

The Second Wave of the Spanish Flu Was Deadlier Than the First
The Spanish Flu of 1918 was caused by the H1N1 virus. More lives were lost to the pandemic than there were second waveto World War I. As many as fifty million people, including 675,000 Americans, died over the course of two years. The second wave, which occurred in the fall of 1918, was especially deadly. The virus originally surfaced in an army base in Kansas. While highly contagious, mortality rates were comparable to those of the seasonal flu. That all changed as troops deployed to Europe spread a mutated virus to England, France, Spain, and Italy.

The mutated H1N1 virus was far deadlier. It was also indiscriminate. Young, middle aged, and the elderly were all at risk of contracting the Spanish Flu. With medical personnel on the battlefield, there were fewer healthcare workers to care for the sick. These days, healthcare is far superior to what it was during the early 20th century. However, we’re clearly incapable of preventing a pandemic. Can we avoid the grim reality that befell those contending with the Spanish Flu?

The Virus Will Kick Us While We’re Down
We’re seeing what an invisible pathogen can do to the economy. Over a trillion dollars has been wiped from the stock market. Central banks are doing what they can to stem the bleeding. I’m confident that we’ll get through this. What scares me, though, is that when life appears to be returning to normal, the second wave will hit. I don’t expect we’ll experience the same level of panic as we are during this first wave. However, the failure to sustain a recovery can send the world into an even deeper recession. How far down is the bottom? I don’t know, but we’re going to endure a lot of pain as we find out.

A Vaccine Is Our Only Hope of Killing It
second waveHow can we finally put the coronavirus in the rear-view mirror? Pharmacological intervention. A vaccine is the only way we can get rid of COVID-19 for good. Again, the coronavirus is too easily transmissible to disappear after this year’s flu season. We need the pharmaceutical industry to eliminate COVID-19 the same way it eliminated smallpox, polio, and the measles. Yes, I understand that those casting doubt on the efficacy of vaccines are leading to a resurgence in otherwise extinct diseases, but I won’t touch upon this here. Funding and research partnerships are needed to accelerate the pace at which this vaccine is developed. Then, and only then, can we feel confident moving passed COVID-19.

Be Prepared to Ride the Second Wave
How do you prepare for the second wave? You should do many of the same things that you’re doing now. Practice good hygiene, engage in social distancing measures, and stock up on essentials. Additionally, you should be preparing financially. I’ve previously discussed the importance of frugality. The coronavirus is a prime example of why it’s so important to be frugal. Identify side hustles that can help diversify your income streams. If you can, continue contributing to your emergency fund. I imagine many of us are staying at home and cutting down on spending. Bank that money for the second wave. Job losses will happen, so it’s important we do what we can from becoming too exposed to the pressures yet to come.

I’d hate to see my readers come up for air, only to be knocked back down by the second wave. Prepare yourself now. Otherwise, you may be washed away with others who thought the worst was over. If history serves as a guide, the troubles are only just beginning.

Do you have advice on how to prepare for the second wave? Leave a comment below or contact me directly.
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Written a month ago and based off numbers/science we know to be very wrong today. Remember, if you die in your bathtub with a toaster - they think you MAY have had CV19 - they'll mark it a CV19 death.

A MN doctor got a 7 page document to fill out death certs with CV-19 diagnosis EVEN if that wasn't COD from the Minnesota dept of health.

Why do you think that is?


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Originally Posted by johnw
I'd like to know just who is hurting? Or at least more than normally so.

In a household of 3, of which 2 are working, both are still employed. And we were actively employed until yesterday when my wife was referred to the covid 19 test center for a nasal swab test. We are now confined to the property by the county health authority pending results of her test. 4-10 days, supposedly.

Up til yesterday we carried on normal business with the exception of our habit of dining at local establishments. But we still support those establishments by ordering carry-out on a frequent basis.
The biggest change for us is not attending regular church services, but we always tithe via online payment and it continues.

Even today, confined to our property we bought lunch for the covid 19 test team at the local hospital using a debit card over the phone. And the drive thru for this deli is busy daily, albeit on reduced hours.

Granted, if my wife is ill with covid 19 she will be the first in our county. And IF SO, I was undoubtedly the vector of illness for her, as I work in a city 60 miles from home and there are several confirmed cases at my place of work. My employer is Critical Defense and Transportation Infrastructure, and has no plans to shut down.

And with all that has gone on I still don't know anyone who has this virus as a confirmed case. My place of work is pretty big with 2500 or so folks working 24/7. Don't even personally know those who are ill there. The passing of Joe Diffie and John Prine has an impact on me. Diffie was a friend of and occasional fishing partner of a co-worker. His song "Ships" could be my personal anthem. Prine reminds us that even those with different world views can have roots like us.

If my wife should perish or become chronically ill, and it be confirmed as covid19 then it would hurt us. Same with friends family, and so on. But that is not the reality yet, and may never be.

Think it's time for the wife and I to sit out in the sun for a bit...


Is this a joke? you really can't figure out who is hurting? wtf

Guess as long as your government job supplies a paycheck all is ok?


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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I said here several weeks ago, on several different threads, that it was a hoax. Second greatest hoax ever pulled on the American people, second only to the Halfrican. Several basically said I was crazy.


Probably go down in History as the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on America.


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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
I am remaining optimistic, but I'm not doing a victory dance just yet.

Yesterday was over 1900 deaths in this country. Worse day so far for the body count.

If the other large cities follow NYC/NJ, we still have some tough time ahead.

I do hope we have made a difference though, and sooner than later, we can get this country back up and running with a full head of steam.


That's where I am.


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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
I am remaining optimistic, but I'm not doing a victory dance just yet.

Yesterday was over 1900 deaths in this country. Worse day so far for the body count.

If the other large cities follow NYC/NJ, we still have some tough time ahead.

I do hope we have made a difference though, and sooner than later, we can get this country back up and running with a full head of steam.


That's where I am.


Ezike Emanuel says we need to shut down for 18 months...... wishing and hoping is nice but won't help at this point. Agendas need served


Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Fuqking gooks are laughing.

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Originally Posted by irfubar
kwg,
In 40 yrs they have not developed a vaccine for aids, why do they believe this will be different? herd immunity has enabled man to survive for millennium.

But that doesn't serve a political agenda.....

The panic is media driven.

In 2009 we didn't have the panic over H1N1 ...... why?


Watch the video playlist I provided for you.

Your answers are all contained within.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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How will this mess affect car sales?
Nobody making cars.
People proly not gonna rush out and buy a new car when things start back up.

But those that could afford a new car, proly had enough $ stashed to weather the shutdown and really may not have taken any hit due to employment type.

The JD Byrider mofos proly in a pickle.

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Credit, mortgage and auto finance places are making allowances for those with a COVID crunch.
This isn't like 2008 where jobs were lost and everybody said "tough chit".
Maybe from that crap, some middle class folks figured out they ought to be more responsible with their money and in that, are
better able to come out of this nonsense relatively unscathed.

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It’s starting to sound more like the “Curse of Oak Island”. Every day is a “could be, could have, might...”

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Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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How many died in 09?


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60 million got H1N1 and 12,500 died in the US


Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Thats about what I found too.

Seems like it took a lot longer?


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Originally Posted by hookeye
Credit, mortgage and auto finance places are making allowances for those with a COVID crunch.
This isn't like 2008 where jobs were lost and everybody said "tough chit".
Maybe from that crap, some middle class folks figured out they ought to be more responsible with their money and in that, are
better able to come out of this nonsense relatively unscathed.


How long before the sharks get hungry though?


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