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The part where you said "critical defense & transportation"..... so you don't deal in government contracts?

As far as who is suffering, every non essential small business and the employee's of said business, you really don't get that?

Small business account for 44% of the US economy, now they are an endangered species thanks to the experts "models" junk science, and those of you in the scientific community better start policing your own. If you don't , you lose credibility along with the junk peddlers.[/quote]

No, I don't deal in government contracts. I have a "hall pass" letter from DHS that identifies my employer as a part of Critical Defense and Transportation Industry. I live in one state and work in another. Supposedly if roads and borders are closed, I can still get to work.
This however cuts no cheese with the county health authority, now that my wife has a pending covid19 test.

But every business I pass on my 63 mile drive is open. Most have limited hours, and restaurants/bars are carry out only. Everyone I know is doing normal business albeit with some limitations. There are some lay-offs in local industries,but some of them were coming due to changing Ag conditions, and downstream supply issues anyway. And their employees on layoff, with Pelosi's Supplement, are making more than I am on limited (36) hours.

Life is more normal than not, from what I see.

Are you cut off from your source of income? Are any close to you?

I shouldn't bother to bring this up, and I realize that many of you understand these things, but here goes:

Isolation/shelter in place doesn't make the virus go away. It will still be "out there" when people leave home a month from now. People will still get the virus and become ill until a majority of the population develops antibodies either through exposure and recovery or a vaccine. Staying at home is not a permanent solution. It is a delaying tactic. It is designed to keep everybody from "getting it at the same time" and overwhelming the healthcare system. I remind you of this so you don't think by staying at home for 2-3 months the virus just up and disappears. (Unless it is unusually labile to warm weather). We can't make it go away by hiding indefinitely in our homes. It will be there when we come out.

The absurd death projections were based on worse case scenarios whereby the virus was maximally contagious, and the healthcare system completely failed. that wasn't realistic, and now they are backing off those projections. Andrew Cuomo is not going to need 40,000 respirators.

Let me add that this virus is very contagious, and is very serious. You don't want it! Especially if you are elderly, have diabetes, or are obese.

We will not know and understand the REAL numbers on this for perhaps a year or two AFTER this passes, and all the data comes in. Every number you hear forecasted now is conjecture.

We have evidence that every pneumonia death right now is counted as as COVID 19 victim even if it was never confirmed they had COVID 19. If that is so, our counts are not accurate and the data is skewed and will lead to other erroneous projections AND likely decisions made on faulty data.

In ten days, we will all have a better idea about who is right and who is wrong. To meet some of these projections, 45,000 people will die before April 20 in the US. There are about 400,000 case reported in the US (CDC numbers). That includes those who contracted the virus and recovered. We've been sheltered in place and or largely shut down for 2+ weeks to slow the transmission. To have 45,000 die in the next ten days out of less than 400,000 known cases is nonsense.

This website predicts the peak in deaths to come in 4 days (April 12) and top out at about 2,200 and decrease quickly from there. https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

So I'm telling you shelter in place works to break up the transmission, but please know the virus won't be "gone" when you emerge from your cave. It will still be there. Just like the measles aren't "gone". A vaccine has made us safer, but the measles virus is still out there. We will have to deal with this new virus and it will run through us.

Post Script- I for one will be very interested in the information that comes out 1-2 years down the road about the true origin of this pathogen. Did it just jump suddenly from an animal to humans and take off like a rocket? Why have Chinese nationals been caught smuggling live viruses around the world?

https://news.yahoo.com/suspected-sa...s-chinas-biosecurity-risk-144526820.html

https://videos.whatfinger.com/2020/...pting-to-smuggle-virus-samples-into-u-s/

Yes, I will be very interested in finding out more.

No, I don't deal in government contracts. I have a "hall pass" letter from DHS that identifies my employer as a part of Critical Defense and Transportation Industry. I live in one state and work in another. Supposedly if roads and borders are closed, I can still get to work.
This however cuts no cheese with the county health authority, now that my wife has a pending covid19 test.

But every business I pass on my 63 mile drive is open. Most have limited hours, and restaurants/bars are carry out only. Everyone I know is doing normal business albeit with some limitations. There are some lay-offs in local industries,but some of them were coming due to changing Ag conditions, and downstream supply issues anyway. And their employees on layoff, with Pelosi's Supplement, are making more than I am on limited (36) hours.

Life is more normal than not, from what I see.

Are you cut off from your source of income? Are any close to you?
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John, I think you messed up on the quote function.... what are you asking me?

Dang it went haywire on me aslo....


so......
John, I think you messed up on the quote function.... what are you asking me?

When this is over, I truly hope Trump isolates the Chinese back into the dark ages. If the common Chinaman wants to dine on raw bat and boiled dog, have at it, but don't think you'll engage in commerce with the developed world while it's happening.

Hatari, as usual you are correct on all counts..... I am in the herd immunity camp with sensible precautions for the vulnerable

Who is hurting from present economic circumstance? You?
i don't see any large numbers of jobless, or businesses with closed doors.

I myself am under lawful quarantine by county authorities until my wife's test results return.
My employer is paying all in similar circumstance as "paid leave of absence".
I'll actually make a bit more not working, than if working the reduced hours we are limited to.

Ok gotcha, that was your original point. I must admit this stupedefies me.... small business owners are getting slaughtered.

My small business is fine... so far, thanks to me being very conservative and being prepared, If this thing goes on to long we will all be toast, our life's work and savings gone.

I personally will forego a paycheck and pay my employees and stock pile what cash I can for the upcoming uncertainty.

Again small business have to provide our own safety net and we have no representation in Washington. We are always first to go under the bus.

If these bureaucrats destroy us on the phony models they have used America will cease to be .

Must admit I am astounded I have to spell this out

FYI, you come across a an out of touch elitist with this remark..... makes me angry frankly

As am I but we have a whole bunch of Democratic Governors operating a different playbook. Get the vulnerable off the streets and keep them as safe as possible and the rest of get back to work. Without the economy humming we run the risk of financial ruin, civil unrest, etc. It’s not that hard.

So...

Your business is OK.
The small business folk I know are OK

Who is hurt?

Which part is elitist?
The fact that I am am lawfully quarantined, or the fact that my employer is taking care of me?

You are so out of touch I don't know where to start? millions are out of work....
Your employer is taking care of you... well I am the employer and I am taking care of my employees, at my own expense.
You are damn lucky your employer has government contracts or you could be in the unemployment line.
How about the debt future generations will be saddled with so your boomer ass can work through really hard times , hard times caused by the representatives you have voted into office.
Fug me

Just which government contracts would those be? I doubt that the government directly buys even the first pound of our product. You seem to be very confused.

Over 6 million people filed unemployment claim last week... that's the ones that could get through.

Kent

You stated you work on defense and transportation contracts....... since you are playing coy you have left me no choice but read between the lines....


So tell me do private entities have defense contracts? if so who and what? do private army's order guns? missiles? wtf

Maybe you are just another blow hard phony... that's a thing these days......

Hey Johnw , do you know Kenneth from Wisconsin? he is a plumber

I stated absolutely no such thing. I explained clearly that my employer is considered by DHS to be integral to the defense and transportation industries of the U.S., and that I had a letter amounting to a "hall pass" in case travel and state borders are closed.

I am among hundreds in my area who have been received such a letter and been instructed to carry it. Steel mill employees, automotive suppliers, and etc. have all received some form of the same.
I'd bet that half the working campfire has one.

Don't be clueless and confused...

I know Jeff from Illinois who is a plumber? Best buddy since 1967...

He's open for business, and completing 2 new construction projects. The on-call end of his business is slow, as they are only taking emergency calls.