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Realizing that there are plenty of big bore choices, what is a sensible choice for the hunter who will most likely only use it on deer, black bear, and wild hogs at reasonable ranges out to 150 yards or so? By sensible I mean something that gives you more round nose/flat meplat big bore "thump" at reasonable ranges (on the critter) without kicking the snot out of the shooter. The choice would have to be what you consider to be a worthwhile boost above say a 30-30, 7x57, or similar deer caliber; something that may have an extra edge in anchoring the critter before they get lost in heavy cover.
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I have always been a great fan of the .45-70! But there is nothing wrong with the .35 Remington (medium bore), the .35 Whelen (medium bore) or the .444 Marlin (big bore). I am also enamored with the .375 Winchester (difficult to find) in both the rifle and the TC Contender.
All time favorite will always be the .45-70 for me.
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I favor the 350RM and 35Whelen. Neither are super popular, but, both hit hard w/out excessive recoil and can be had in a lighter more compact rifle. The 350RM can reach full potential w/ a very short barrel which I prefer.
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I don't think that anything above the power of a 30-06 is necessary, but personally, when I want more bullet diameter than .308 and more punch, I go with a 338 Win. Mag., and I've effectively used that cartridge on stuff that's a lot bigger and tougher than any black bear.
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Assuming you're a loader......either 45-70 or 405.
In a No 1 of course.
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I'd look at the 35's - Whelen or RM. I like allen's choice of a 338 for more punch but to me a significant recoil difference exists between the 338 and the 35's mentioned above. I don't have the experience that allen does but the 35's will do ~ 90% of what the 338 does with less recoil. I'm obviously a much bigger woose than allen......... 
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I wouldn't bet on the "bigger woose" part! Maybe you're just smarter! AD
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Well I don't like recoil that hurts me and the 300 Mag is that threshold and the 338 WM would be more. So I am a bigger woose than Allen.
Look at how Geo. Forman could take a punch and Floyd Patterson could not.
You could even consider the .44 Magnum. Those flat nose Keith type hard cast bullets kill all out of proportion to their numbers. I don't like the 45-70 that much for just deer and BB but to each his own.
For myself I deal with the .358 Win but I don't use bullets over 200 grs very much.
To anchor the critter you have to shoot the beast in it's central nervous system.
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.45-70.
I know the areas you hunt Dogger, and there ain't much a .45-70 can't do in those parts.
The factory 300 gr. JHPs are definitive when they hit, don't kick bad at all, and the power level only goes up from there.
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I can't believe there is no mention of the .358 Win. The .350 Rem mag and .35 Whelen also get my vote. Pick any one of those three, and you have all your bases covered. Handloads will tailor your needs even more.
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+1!!!!!! ![[Linked Image]](http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e125/shaunryan71/marlin45-70.jpg) Caliber 45/70 Gov't. Capacity 4-shot tubular magazine Action Lever action; side ejection; stainless steel receiver, barrel, lever, trigger guard plate, magazine tube and loading gate. Hammer block safety. Stock American black walnut straight-grip stock; cut checkering; ventilated recoil pad; tough Mar-Shield� finish; swivel studs. Barrel 18.5" with deep-cut Ballard-type rifling (6 grooves). Twist Rate 1:20" r.h. Sights Adjustable semi-buckhorn folding rear, ramp front sight with brass bead and Wide-Scan� hood. Solid top receiver tapped for scope mount; offset hammer spur (right or left hand) for scope use. Overall Length 37" Weight 7 lbs.  Shaun
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Dogger in a lever gun I'd go Guide 45/70. In a turn bolt AD has it spot on 338 4 me.
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The 35 Whelen in a Remington 7600. I have taken well over 125 boar/hogs & 6 black bear. It will also obviously work on the largest of deer at reasonable ranges. I have a reworked trigger & a 6X42 scope. I handload 225 & 250 G. premium bullets.
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The 45-70 has merit. I overlooked it because to me it's a short range blackbear gun with few peers when loaded with 400 grain boolits. Have shot 2 bruins with mine; guys I hunt with have shot ~ 40-50 over the past 20 years. All 5 of us shoot 1895 Marlins in 45-70 with 400 gr Speers. Absolutely gets there attention.
300 grainers for deer might just be the biggest slap down mentioned thus far. Recoil from the 300's ain't bad - nothing like our handloaded 400's...............
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.358 Winchester
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+1!!!!!! Caliber 45/70 Gov't. Capacity 4-shot tubular magazine Action Lever action; side ejection; stainless steel receiver, barrel, lever, trigger guard plate, magazine tube and loading gate. Hammer block safety. Stock American black walnut straight-grip stock; cut checkering; ventilated recoil pad; tough Mar-Shield� finish; swivel studs. Barrel 18.5" with deep-cut Ballard-type rifling (6 grooves). Twist Rate 1:20" r.h. Sights Adjustable semi-buckhorn folding rear, ramp front sight with brass bead and Wide-Scan� hood. Solid top receiver tapped for scope mount; offset hammer spur (right or left hand) for scope use. Overall Length 37" Weight 7 lbs. Shaun A picture is worth a thousand words. AGW
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.35 Whelen, in a 760 pump if you like speed.
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What I use here in the hills and hollows and thick swamps
in Alabama.
Stainless BLR 270 WSM
Custom Winchester 1895 405 WCF with NECG Express sights
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'nother vote for 45/70. You can load it hot as heck to reach out to 200 yds without much thinkin' or load it lighter and learn how to shoot the arc. Fantastic round!
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I can't believe there is no mention of the .358 Win. The .350 Rem mag and .35 Whelen also get my vote. Pick any one of those three, and you have all your bases covered. Handloads will tailor your needs even more. Amen....I can't believe how fast my Whelen puts deer down.
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