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MY father had to retire early due to black lung from the coal mines. He lived until he was 94. My mother spent the last 7years of her life in an Alzheimer home .She past when she was 93. Early on the doctors said both conditions would be fatal. We sure wanted them to be with us as long as possible. If some doctor or anyone would have came up to me and said they are going to die anyway, I have the feeling they would not have lived as long as my parents did. At 76, I feel the same as Old Toot. I don't plan on dying any sooner than I have to. Over 70, stay home a few months. . How about you staying home for a few months so you don't get infected and transmit it to other people.
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I'm starting to see why the millennials dislike the boomers.
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Over 70, stay home a few months. That is not the same as saying we don't care and wish you would die. Lots of folks 70 and older still work. Really? Where? The vast majority do not. And shutting down the entire economy for this is beyond retarded. Guessing not around Austin.
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I'm starting to see why the millennials dislike the boomers. And the inverse.
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Good article and I concur 100%. Most Democrats think the sky is falling, guys like Miles58 who also lives in MN. Overhyped from the get go folks, need to put waaaaay more emphasis on opening the economy back up!
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MY father had to retire early due to black lung from the coal mines. He lived until he was 94. My mother spent the last 7years of her life in an Alzheimer home .She past when she was 93. Early on the doctors said both conditions would be fatal. We sure wanted them to be with us as long as possible. If some doctor or anyone would have came up to me and said they are going to die anyway, I have the feeling they would not have lived as long as my parents did. At 76, I feel the same as Old Toot. I don't plan on dying any sooner than I have to. Over 70, stay home a few months. . How about you staying home for a few months so you don't get infected and transmit it to other people. Sure thing. How about I stop paying social security taxes and you go without that lol. Hope you have some good savings.
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Over 70, stay home a few months. That is not the same as saying we don't care and wish you would die. Lots of folks 70 and older still work. Really? Where? The vast majority do not. And shutting down the entire economy for this is beyond retarded. This^^^^Those that need to should shelter in place.
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MY father had to retire early due to black lung from the coal mines. He lived until he was 94. My mother spent the last 7years of her life in an Alzheimer home .She past when she was 93. Early on the doctors said both conditions would be fatal. We sure wanted them to be with us as long as possible. If some doctor or anyone would have came up to me and said they are going to die anyway, I have the feeling they would not have lived as long as my parents did. At 76, I feel the same as Old Toot. I don't plan on dying any sooner than I have to. Over 70, stay home a few months. . How about you staying home for a few months so you don't get infected and transmit it to other people. Sure thing. How about I stop paying social security taxes and you go without that lol. Hope you have some good savings. Fugg no! They worked their whole life to have a claim on your money!
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Maybe, just maybe we shut down the state because we wanted to prevent what Just happened in Sioux Falls where they just shut down Simthfield pork processing pland because 450 people now have Covid 19. Wait one month and watch what happens to Sioux Falls and then tell me what you think.
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Over 70, stay home a few months. That is not the same as saying we don't care and wish you would die. Lots of folks 70 and older still work. I am 82 and no longer afraid of much of anything. My wife died last fall at age 80 and Death has no hold on me anymore.
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There's no good answer to this, we either shut the whole country down or have what 15-25% of population self quarantine[70+]
We know what we did, now we wait for the economic outcome.
Lose-Lose no matter.
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MY father had to retire early due to black lung from the coal mines. He lived until he was 94. My mother spent the last 7years of her life in an Alzheimer home .She past when she was 93. Early on the doctors said both conditions would be fatal. We sure wanted them to be with us as long as possible. If some doctor or anyone would have came up to me and said they are going to die anyway, I have the feeling they would not have lived as long as my parents did. At 76, I feel the same as Old Toot. I don't plan on dying any sooner than I have to. Over 70, stay home a few months. . How about you staying home for a few months so you don't get infected and transmit it to other people. Sure thing. How about I stop paying social security taxes and you go without that lol. Hope you have some good savings. Fugg no! They worked their whole life to have a claim on your money! Like those before you didn’t pay their part and more ? And are still paying. You’d be better off concentrating on your driving and staying out of the left lane.
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Good article and I concur 100%. Most Democrats think the sky is falling, guys like Miles58 who also lives in MN. Overhyped from the get go folks, need to put waaaaay more emphasis on opening the economy back up! Watch what happens to Sioux falls over the next month and tell me about it then. All I hear out of you is mouth. Shutting down the state of Minnesota some has prevented a lot of people getting the disease and thus a number of them not dying unnecessarily. If you don't think the sky really is falling try moving to NYC or France or Italy or Spain or China and telling those people this isn't serious. If you think you're not at risk, go work in a hospital cleaning up. Then come back and tell me it's nothing.
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So it's ok to say "what the hell,let the older people die" ? Instead of dying peacefully, it is ok to let them go out struggling for breath. I guess the same ones saying this says it is ok to kill the babies in late term abortions..I mean they are going to die some time right .
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[quote=shootinurse After working in health care most of my life, this whole thing is way overblown. Everyone gets sick. Everyone dies. . I wonder how you would feel if you were suddenly faced with the prospect that most people in your age bracket will be dying in a few days or weeks [/quote] i have often heard you can know a lot about a society by how it treats it's elderly and it's young.
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So it's ok to say "what the hell,let the older people die" ? Instead of dying peacefully, it is ok to let them go out struggling for breath. I guess the same ones saying this says it is ok to kill the babies in late term abortions..I mean they are going to die some time right .
There are some cruel hearted SOB"s in this world that is for sure
[quote=shootinurse After working in health care most of my life, this whole thing is way overblown. Everyone gets sick. Everyone dies. . I wonder how you would feel if you were suddenly faced with the prospect that most people in your age bracket will be dying in a few days or weeks i have often heard you can know a lot about a society by how it treats it's elderly and it's young.[/quote] I agree with this, but in the context of this thread only, which would be the wiser long term move for ALL? IHDK
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So we shut down the economy and put millions of young people out of work, children out of school, and bankrupt the small business people, inject huge amounts of debt owed to the Federal Reserve to protect the lives of 10% of the most expendable members of our society?
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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So it's ok to say "what the hell,let the older people die" ? Instead of dying peacefully, it is ok to let them go out struggling for breath. I guess the same ones saying this says it is ok to kill the babies in late term abortions..I mean they are going to die some time right . There are some cruel hearted SOB"s in this world that is for sure After working in health care most of my life, this whole thing is way overblown. Everyone gets sick. Everyone dies. .
I wonder how you would feel if you were suddenly faced with the prospect that most people in your age bracket will be dying in a few days or weeks i have often heard you can know a lot about a society by how it treats it's elderly and it's young. What can we know about a society that screwed over the young to protect the elderly?
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Good article and I concur 100%. Most Democrats think the sky is falling, guys like Miles58 who also lives in MN. Overhyped from the get go folks, need to put waaaaay more emphasis on opening the economy back up! Watch what happens to Sioux falls over the next month and tell me about it then. All I hear out of you is mouth. Shutting down the state of Minnesota some has prevented a lot of people getting the disease and thus a number of them not dying unnecessarily. If you don't think the sky really is falling try moving to NYC or France or Italy or Spain or China and telling those people this isn't serious. If you think you're not at risk, go work in a hospital cleaning up. Then come back and tell me it's nothing. Yep, big issues with the pork plant, heavy immigrant workforce living and working in close proximity to one another. So while your point is somewhat valid it’s a unique circumstance and I don’t suspect we will see many deaths in the grand scheme. Let’s watch Sioux Falls together, because it will end up being a non event, just like Gov Walz’s projections. Why hasn’t MN seen many deaths? Only because we shelter in place better? Nonsense. But if you are old with pre-existing conditions, obese, etc then it’s a different matter.
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Over 70, stay home a few months. That is not the same as saying we don't care and wish you would die. Lots of folks 70 and older still work. I am 82 and no longer afraid of much of anything. My wife died last fall at age 80 and Death has no hold on me anymore. I'm so sorry to hear that, you have my sincere condolences. I'd been wondering why you weren't on the Fire much if at all recently, now it all makes sense.
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The USA overall death rate for 85+ yo is 13.5%
The world corona death rate for 80+ yo is 14.8%, that's folks that got the virus... 85% of 80+ survived. No USA numbers but you can bet the % is lower than the world's.
There is no increase of deaths because of the virus for 87 yo, no plus deaths, no added deaths.
The people at risk need to chose to limit exposure and practice individual responsibility... wash your hands and don't touch your face.
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