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By far your most coherent post ever!

Democrats are working furiously to Federalize our elections using CCP Flu as the excuse. If successful, it’s all over but the sad singing and slow driving for this Nation.

Glad to hear.

First time she ever thought about what she was saying.

Cumminscowboy: I am of the opinion that I have not given up ANY of my rights on a permanent basis!
Are you troubled by paranoia at times?
The powers that be tell me I can't go inside my church in large groups for the short term - and that is asked to save my and many others lives - thats not "giving up freedoms" that is using common sense.
I am sure that in 3 or 6 or 9 months this Wuhan Red Death will be contained and everyone can go back to church.
No one is telling you that you have to "give up your right to worship" you are just being asked not to do so for as short an amount of time as this pandemic can be contained.
Let me know if President Donald J. Trump bans your church permanently or burns it down - I'll be right there with you to throw him out of office - one way or another.
I have been told they have pills to counter-act paranoia.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

You're not serious concerning this statement are you???? If you are, maybe you should keep your post to your local knowledge because in PA, they are forcing businesses to close. You are not allowed to operate your restaurant if you own one. It has to be take out only. Bars are closed too. If you own a residential remodeling or new construction business, you are not allowed to operate that either. I know, I own one. So essentially they are forcing people to go broke.... nobody is voluntarily following those recommendations they are being forced to by being threatened with fines and losing their operating licenses. Yes, I know people that have been told by local authorities to go home and not come back to the jobsite or they would be fined and lose their license. So as rent, equipment payments etc keep coming in and can't be paid, those people are being forced into bad credit, and possibly bankruptcy.

What I'm not surprised about is the hue and cry about our freedoms being given up.

Surprised? Heck no. Look at all the folks merely on this board just stumbling over themselves to support all the lockdown orders.

Disgusting.

Yep, no construction companies allowed to operate here. I need a metal roof put on one of my sheds... can't get anyone to do it.

Being retired, I've given up nothing in the recent past. Still going wherever and doing whatever I wish.

I haven't really changed my lifestyle. Not gonna.

Now I know alot of sheep that are cowering because our bitch gov said to cower.

Each to there own I guess. The way the feds are dropping casualty numbers, pretty soon it will be like a typical weekend in Chicago.

surprised some of the comments here. utah is one of the most free states during this whole deal but I am still bugged by it all. some of you guys here aren't even aware of the rights being taken away.

1) freedom of assembly has been taken away, gatherings over 10 can be penalized with a fine

2) freedom of religion has been taken away. you can't gather so you can't worship

3) certain businesses are deemed as essential and non essential, so if you have a hair salon you are F'd if you own a sit down resturant you are losing your livlihood

4) public lands are largely closed to camping, to that I say WTF??!? being on public lands is the ultimate social distancing

5) the government has said you can't evict a tenant right now, that is interference with a business and contractual relationship, and by extension property rights

6) the government has bestowed squatters rights on tenants for land lords.

7) the governor and counties in my area are using disaster declarations, which are designed for natural disasters to taken sweeping power all to themselves. They could easily consult with other elected bodies but instead are taking on the role of a dictator


so there goes I just "edumicated" some folks around here who have not even realized what has been taken from them without a shot. I think most people agreed to some voluntary measures with the notion that the hospitals, medical supplies and readiness for the hospitals being geared up to handle things. in my area hospitals are a ghost town, hospital staff or laid off and or getting pay cuts. The hospitals are going broke. We can't stop the virus short of a vaccine or herd immunity. That means what ever measures are taken now are just a delay. What is the end game. a shut down is unsustainable. I am also keenly aware and believe the government wants to use this chance to make the country more socialist. democrats have even admitted it. I think democrats would shut the country down for 18 months if they could

so what am I saying. I want to see wide spread protests. I want to see people say we are not taking it anymore, open back up NOW!!!

Go Michigan


https://time.com/5821873/michigan-protest-governor-social-distance-coronavirus/

State Police went to a ready mix concrete plant in Wysox Pa. and stopped all the trucks. If the job they were going to did not have an exemption to work they were not allowed to leave the plant. How in the fugk is a concrete truck driver more susceptible to spreading the virus than a cashier at a convenience store?

I thought they let construction go on as “essential”. (Concrete trucks) this is getting ridiculous

Rocky, I respectfully disagree. We have been tested as to how much we will tolerate in regards to our freedoms and rights being abused. While we indeed get most back, we will not get all! We have incrementally been losing our rights since Wilson’s presidency....exponentially so this past month. Again, this was a test.....a preview of what is to come!

To answer the OP’s question, the only thing that surprised me was the percentage of older Americans were so willing to give up their freedoms.....for the sake of possible safety. We were warned many years ago about this! memtb

Honestly think alot of these people including ones on here are going along with these restrictions because many of them are of the age or have the underlying health conditions that put them in an "enhanced risk group". So because of that they are scared for themselves so screw everyone elses rights

You just “nailed it”! Screw your kids and your grandkids, just for personal security! That’s thinking long term..... to hell with the future of your family! I’m amazed and ashamed of many of my generation and not at all surprised with the younger generations response! memtb

I've been against this shelter in place BS from the get go but how does one person make a difference? We were told to shut the restaurants down and business was dropping off because folks were scared and not going out to eat or drink anyway. I figure I had nothing to loose besides money and maybe the shelter in place will save a few lives. But it's time to get to work, I'm retired but depend on working folks to pay their rent and lease for my retirement income. I don't get a government check so sitting back and sucking it up is really starting to suck.

I am not surprised. It became crystal clear to me some years ago that there will be no widespread resistance to socialism in this country. The children are indoctrinated by it from kindergarten on, merely the attendance of a public school is showing them the government knows more than their parents.

The parents accept it in the form of the earned income tax credit payments, subsidized meals for their children at the public school, and often the various forms of welfare they are receiving. Those who do work and pay their own bills still will not say to hell with the job, house and car to go fight for liberty, because that job is how they keep the house and car they do not own. They are in debt, and can do nothing else but go to work and pay the taxes unless they plan to starve their family and leave them homeless.

The older folks, as has already been stated, will not fight, because that medicine that keeps them alive comes from government subsidized sources, and the government check they get pays the bills. Not to mention, walking more than a mile is taxing for most, forget running any place to fight or to flee. The few of us who could actually financially absorb a limited time without income or government payments and who are healthy enough and willing to fight, will not start it because we know we are too few to fight the half or more of the country that will fight to keep the checks coming.

So what we all get is dwindling liberty, and an eventual final stand all by ourselves, because when the leviathan comes for a man, and it is fight or submit, and he chooses to fight, he will do it alone, because all his fellows will be cowering in their houses, hoping to escape attention until the beast has been satiated. Personally, I will die laughing like a maniac at those folks, knowing that cowardice will save no man because the beast is never
satiated, never tires, and will come for them soon enough. And when it does, they too will be alone, because any of us who would have run to fight with them will already be long gone.

I am not afraid of dying. I am afraid of dying poorly. In my boots, holding a smoking gun and a bloody blade, with the blood of my enemies on my teeth, is dying well. On my knees is dying poorly. My peace is made, I will not be dying poorly. Nor easily, God willing. The beast can kill any man who fights alone. But the man who fights alone and knows he is already dead can lay a hurt on whatever is chewing on him while he goes. I intend to do just that. Besides, one needs as many slaves as possible to row his boat across the river to Valhalla...🗡