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I fell down the rabbit hole watching YouTube videos where armed homeowners were shooting up their home interiors trying to hit intruders.

From what I saw, it was evident that a handgun wasn’t getting the job done, unless scaring the living shît out of the burglar was the only intention.

1-5 bad guys ranging in color from black to black (not stereotyping) just what was on the cameras...The variety of invaders all had one thing in common, besides skin color...They all could move like a panther lit on fire with incredible agility and quickness as rounds from homeowners handguns were tearing holes in sheetrock, doors, paneling, and furnishings.

It’s apparent a lot of people have a difficult time hitting a burglar within their home, even at close range...

Why? Besides coming apart mentally that someone is in their home, the spaces are small, and there is a lot of obstacles in the way of a clear shot.

Door jambs, walls, staircase, kitchen counters, furniture, etc, make for a very brief shoot window on a quick and nimble bad guy.

Getting off anything more than a snap shot before the burglar disappears behind a wall, or through a doorway, or down a hall juking and sliding trying to get out of the house was the norm from what I watched.

Made me think the average homeowner might do better with a gauge as their choice for home protection.

Caveat. Some may consider scaring the bad guys away with missed shots is a win. YMMV.


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This guy has a lot of Youtube videos about the subject. He's one of the few I can watch for an extended period of time.



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Threat gone due to missed shots is always better then threat laying bleeding all over the carpet, crying for his lawyer!
Or his surviving family crying for their lawyers


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That's why I use rounds that provide a level of penetration john holmes would approve ofgrin, that said, an 11 shot 870 is in the back loaded to the gills with 9 copper plated 20 pellets each of #1 Buck, with two Brenekke KO slugs bringing up the rear.


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Why not a reliable, proven system, maneuverable, highly ergonomic, easy to maintain and upgrade, with a 30 round box magazine, very bright light, and a red dot that doesn't over penetrate in a house?


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Why not a reliable, proven system, maneuverable, highly ergonomic, easy to maintain and upgrade, with a 30 round box magazine, very bright light, and a red dot that doesn't over penetrate in a house?


Sounds like a sex toy that kills....Cool!

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Originally Posted by gunner500
That's why I use rounds that provide a level of penetration john holmes would approve ofgrin, that said, an 11 shot 870 is in the back loaded to the gills with 9 copper plated 20 pellets each of #1 Buck, with two Brenekke KO slugs bringing up the rear.

Man,I would not want to be anywhere near the receiving end of that load.

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Confronting a home invader, even in familiar territory like your own home, is a losing bet. Unless you have to move to protect children, etc., the best bet is to stay put and cover the one access point to your safe area, then drop anybody who gets funneled into that spot in his tracks after you light him up and confirm your target. His buddies will have to climb over his bloody corpse to get to you, which will slow them down if they press on with the attack. It's also a good idea to have 911 on speaker phone while you're defending your "safe space".
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Originally Posted by gunner500
That's why I use rounds that provide a level of penetration john holmes would approve ofgrin, that said, an 11 shot 870 is in the back loaded to the gills with 9 copper plated 20 pellets each of #1 Buck, with two Brenekke KO slugs bringing up the rear.


There ain’t a person alive who would ever say “Yep, breaking into that big redneck mofo’s house to steal sum of his shît was a good idea”.....😜😎


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I've always got a handgun (normally a 1911 .45 Auto) nearby, but I have aways maintained that a shotgun is the way to go for anything resembling self defense.

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Originally Posted by BamBam
Originally Posted by gunner500
That's why I use rounds that provide a level of penetration john holmes would approve ofgrin, that said, an 11 shot 870 is in the back loaded to the gills with 9 copper plated 20 pellets each of #1 Buck, with two Brenekke KO slugs bringing up the rear.

Man,I would not want to be anywhere near the receiving end of that load.


It's a dirty sombitch BamBam, some sort of entry load Winchester made a few years ago, 2-3/4ths inch hulls too, old traveling Bud gave me a case of those things.


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Originally Posted by T_Inman
I've always got a handgun (normally a 1911 .45 Auto) nearby, but I have aways maintained that a shotgun is the way to go for anything resembling self defense.

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Bro, you did kill a pussy with a handgun - and it was a very angry pussy, too.

You passed the test for holding your shît in and doing the work with a handgun.

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Originally Posted by Beaver10
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That's why I use rounds that provide a level of penetration john holmes would approve ofgrin, that said, an 11 shot 870 is in the back loaded to the gills with 9 copper plated 20 pellets each of #1 Buck, with two Brenekke KO slugs bringing up the rear.


There ain’t a person alive who would ever say “Yep, breaking into that big redneck mofo’s house to steal sum of his shît was a good idea”.....😜😎


Yessir! cause he know some good carpenters and where the appliance sto is, he jus wouldn't stop chootin! cool


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Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by T_Inman
I've always got a handgun (normally a 1911 .45 Auto) nearby, but I have aways maintained that a shotgun is the way to go for anything resembling self defense.

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Bro, you did kill a pussy with a handgun - and it was a very angry pussy, too.

You passed the test for holding your shît in and doing the work with a handgun.

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Ya.....that was one pissed off pussy.
About shït my britches I did, but I got the needed penetration to prevail....



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Originally Posted by SockPuppet
This guy has a lot of Youtube videos about the subject. He's one of the few I can watch for an extended period of time.



This guy is pretty good, pragmatic and offers excellent practical advice.

There are lot of excellent HD slug, buckshot shotgun loads to be found in "reduced recoil", "tactical" offerings. This is where having pump action helps because weaker but very effective loads may not cycle through self-loading shotguns. If you have "Joe Biden" shotgun you can even use mini-shells offered by Italians, Americans (Federal Cartridge) and Mexicans (Aguila).

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Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
Confronting a home invader, even in familiar territory like your own home, is a losing bet. Unless you have to move to protect children, etc., the best bet is to stay put and cover the one access point to your safe area, then drop anybody who gets funneled into that spot in his tracks after you light him up and confirm your target. His buddies will have to climb over his bloody corpse to get to you, which will slow them down if they press on with the attack. It's also a good idea to have 911 on speaker phone while you're defending your "safe space".
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I agree. Depending on the load, your buckshot might not spread enough at 15-30ft to make a difference compared to a rifle or pistol. I personally will take an AR and pistol over a shotgun.

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While I am completely comfortable investigating bumps in the night and unknown sounds with a handgun, if it is a definite break in they are going to meet the Gentleman from Belgium or an AR :


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Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
Confronting a home invader, even in familiar territory like your own home, is a losing bet. Unless you have to move to protect children, etc., the best bet is to stay put and cover the one access point to your safe area, then drop anybody who gets funneled into that spot in his tracks after you light him up and confirm your target. His buddies will have to climb over his bloody corpse to get to you, which will slow them down if they press on with the attack. It's also a good idea to have 911 on speaker phone while you're defending your "safe space".
Jerry
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