Second is the notion that when the intruder hears you rack the slide on the old 870 he flees in fear. Maybe not. In that case, giving away your position and that you are armed is complete nonsense that could be fatal.
And, it means you either didn't have one in the chamber to begin with, or, you just ejected a live round onto the floor.
Both, really bad tactical mistakes.
OR just ejecting the birdshot to get to buck.
THis ^^^^^
As far as the intruder hearing you rack the slide on an 870 , drop the bolt on a semiautomatic and tell me the intruder won't hear that either.
Second is the notion that when the intruder hears you rack the slide on the old 870 he flees in fear. Maybe not. In that case, giving away your position and that you are armed is complete nonsense that could be fatal.
And, it means you either didn't have one in the chamber to begin with, or, you just ejected a live round onto the floor.
Both, really bad tactical mistakes.
OR just ejecting the birdshot to get to buck.
THis ^^^^^
As far as the intruder hearing you rack the slide on an 870 , drop the bolt on a semiautomatic and tell me the intruder won't hear that either.
Doesn't make much sense to scare someone off that's inside your house. Maybe they'll come back better prepared to kill your azz and take your guns next time.
I've seen one deer killed with 00 buck. One shot from about 20 yards dropped it right there. As I remember all pellets hit in ribs and exited the far side. I don't think any human is going to walk away from it. When I took my hunters safety course the instructor showed us pictures of people who were killed in hunting accidents. One that sticks in my head showed a guy who took a load of buckshot to the face from close range. His head looked like a pumpkin that had been smashed on the road. Obviously his skull was completely shattered and the back of his head was gone.
...and they sewed him back up and we still have Blackheart to this day!
Grow up you pathetic little attention whore. You're only cute and witty to you.
Come on Blackheart, lighten up a bit, gotta admit that was kinda funny.
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Second is the notion that when the intruder hears you rack the slide on the old 870 he flees in fear. Maybe not. In that case, giving away your position and that you are armed is complete nonsense that could be fatal.
And, it means you either didn't have one in the chamber to begin with, or, you just ejected a live round onto the floor.
Both, really bad tactical mistakes.
OR just ejecting the birdshot to get to buck.
THis ^^^^^
As far as the intruder hearing you rack the slide on an 870 , drop the bolt on a semiautomatic and tell me the intruder won't hear that either.
Doesn't make much sense to scare someone off that's inside your house. Maybe they'll come back better prepared to kill your azz and take your guns next time.
Who is trying to scare someone inside of my house, my intent is to kill them?
Other then a breakopen shotgun which can be closed with little noise , they are going to make noise loading them.
A handgun is the weak sister to rifle or a shotgun. The 72 caliber hole a shotgun makes, with out expansion of the load is a game changer for sure. Expansion of the load is even better. Having seen first hand what a load of 12 ga. low brass number 6 shot does to a bad person meaning to do harm at 11 feet is sage, real world stuff. Read that as, across a living room. It was definitive and calming of all hostilities ongoing at that moment. The bad guy was quieted down instantly, dropped his knife and elected to move to another world. Two votes for the scatter gun! Yo!
your pellets have lost 30-40% of their velocity and energy, and that may be only 4-5 yards from your muzzle.
steel #12 shot?
Originally Posted by Archerhunter
Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
This guy has a lot of Youtube videos about the subject. He's one of the few I can watch for an extended period of time.
Just think about all the suckers who know almost nothing about guns and bullets and by those 223s for home defense. Guess what cartridges they are buying, the cheap FMJs or more expensive SPs?
Scarey.
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I shot an armed home invasion intruder with a 12 gauge and Federal #4 buckshot. It is the same shotgun and load that I keep in the house today, along with a .40 S&W loaded with Federal Hydro-Shoks.
Did he live?
Yes, but without a functional right arm and a large portion of his liver and lower intestines.
He right hand and the stolen Glock that he was holding in it were damaged beyond repair.
Good job. With the liver hit its surprising he didnt bleed out.
I think shooting someone center mass in a normal sized home with 4s or even 6s would get the job done.
I have a friend who told me it's almost impossible to close up a couple hundred little gut holes. Those are the more peripheral hits.
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Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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