Isa-Tai’s bulletproof medicine musta finally kicked in.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
I think you'll find that the kind of situation that played out here is one of the more common deadly force situations officers find themselves in. Using deadly force immediately upon exiting the vehicle and with the vehicle in close proximity. Yet none of the departments I worked with or trained with had realistic range scenarios to replicate the situation. I know range days cost time and money, and departments have limited budgets, but this very situation needs more training focus. I should say unless things have changed in the past 15 years.
I thought perhaps this thread was gonna be about the New York City cops. They are world renowned for their ability to expend vast amounts of ammunition without hitting anyone other than a few bystanders. Was that guy in the video trying "suicide by cop" ?
Under stress few people shoot well. That has be proven. Look at the bullet vs hit ratio in war time encounters. Not the same type of incident but it is a sample none the less.The ratio is terrible. Trying to control fear, adrenaline dump agency policy, procedure, the review of your actions by your department, departmental charges, public out cry, grand jury review by the states attorney,with a possible indictment, a trail,and attorney fees, they are brave to pull their guns and engage. If you are given all of one second to decide all of the listed factors, it is no wonder they did not shot well. But they survived the incident. The job is not for everyone and its complexity of late has become a real challenge. My 2 cents, Blue
Some men can handle the adrenaline flood in a life threatening situation, but most can't. Video after video, year after year, we see it proved. I think it was Bat Masterson, who had seen more armed confrontations than most, was fond of saying something like the calm man will always prevail. There are pistoleros here on the fire, I do not doubt, that can dump a magazine into a playing card at 50 paces....but I often wonder what would happen if the playing card was shooting back. Massad Ayoob's Stressfire makes that point pretty clear.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
Just because you are a police officer doesn’t automatically make you a good shot.
Indeed.
Have any of you shot with LEO and your local range. Even in a non-stressed range environment, not great, in fact often times scary.
Oh, and the, "It cost money to train these officers, money we don't have" - "We can't afford to go practice shooting on our own dime" it all bull schit.
If you are going to carry a firearm, learn how to use it and use it well, otherwise don't carry one.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
Just because you are a police officer doesn’t automatically make you a good shot.
My experience tells me that most officers are just good enough to qualify, and that qualification bar is pretty low. I was a good bit better than average and still consider myself just adequate. Certainly nowhere near as good as the best. Interestingly, in the few moving and shooting training sessions I got to participate in, I did very well.
Seems like many cops consider their sidearm to be a tool and not one that they're particularly interested in mastering, during the majority of their time on duty. Might to be more common with larger city forces, than with smaller ones. I know a few cops that are interested enough to train extensively (mostly on their own time), to become more proficient with their issue pistols. Most are not in that group.
We have two local PDs that use our club facilities to qualify/train. They each do that twice per year, over multiple days per session. Both have gotten more into it in the past several years. These are PDs with less than two dozen officers that patrol mostly suburban/rural areas. Each PD has a few officers that spend far more time on our ranges than their fellow officers, so that's a plus.
Both PDs now have individual AR "patrol rifles" and they've picked up the pace on training with them. It's only been the past few years that both PDs equips each officer with a rifle. At one time, both only had a few such rifles and trained sporadically with them. Typical session now, is one day on rifles and shotguns, other two days on handguns. Some time spent with their Tasers.Our LEO training area is now "littered" with barricades, barrels and steel targets that once weren't part of the deal.
I can attest from personal observations, that they've become far more proficient over the past decade, than they once were.
If three or more people think you're a dimwit, chances are at least one of them is right.
I want one of the jap-tats on my forearm , something deep/cool & meaningful - what should it be - help me out with this ....
His jap tat says " Paint partners back with my muzzle more than I do the bad guy".
It flows more when its a cool jap tat.
Originally Posted by Archerhunter
Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
