All this shotgun talk made me get my home defense shotgun out of the closet. Unloaded it, gave it a wipe down, aimed it a few times at the wall. Benelli Super Nova Tactical loaded with Federal 00 buckshot. I bought it in 2009. I used to carry a Benelli M2 14 1/2" auto as a Narcotics Entry Officer. I wanted a similar gun for HD! But didn't want to spend the $$$ for an auto Benelli. This one Has the same sights and pistol grip stock. It has a 20" barrel. Shortly after we changed to Bushmaster 12 1/2" 5.56 carbines. The 00 buck would shoot through a pit bull, through the floor of an old crackhouse into the basement. We thought that was a catastrophe in the making. The carbines with 60 grain Hornady TAP will make short work of a pit bull or Rottweiler and stay inside the body. I've seen it numerous times.
Ron
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Orwell
I have a Benelli Montefeltro Super 90 in 12 gauge with HK markings. A friend of mine has the same shotgun, he bulged the barrel about 20 inches up. I bought the barrel from him and cut it to 18 1/2”. It makes a very elegant alley sweeper.
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Obey lawful commands. Video interactions. Hold bad cops accountable. Problem solved.
Way cool of course, but cycles kinda slow, maybe it’s hard to build a semi-auto shotgun that the trigger finger can’t get ahead of.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
Depending on use you aren't necessarily restricted to 3 rounds...
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Why pack all that messy meat out of the bush when we can just go to the grocery store where meat is made? Hell,if they sold antlers I would save so much money I could afford to go Dolphin fishing. Maybe even a baby seal safari.
That's a Provincial hunting regulation, not a Federal firearm regulation, specific to hunting.
In BC you can hunt with a shotgun loaded with slugs and no plug (where that is a allowable firearm, ie, you can't hunt geese with slugs and an unplugged gun, but you can use it to hunt deer in a rifle zone without a plug and slugs).
If you aren't hunting using that specific shotgun then it doesn't need to be plugged, ie if you are using it for personal defense.
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Why pack all that messy meat out of the bush when we can just go to the grocery store where meat is made? Hell,if they sold antlers I would save so much money I could afford to go Dolphin fishing. Maybe even a baby seal safari.
Paul: Top of the morning to you sir, I hope the day's a nice one in your part of the country too - political issues notwithstanding of course.
Not that I'd ever tell you what to do sir, but whenever we're discussing firearms for social purposes, I've found that it very much behooves me to discuss it in terms of problem bears.
While we do have options for use of force in defense of life in Canada, it is much, much simpler to discuss firearms as last resort bear deterrents.
As my cyber friend Kodiak notes, we can't have bird shot in the shotgun in fall and no plug - but - as a meat packing shotgun loaded with slugs - there's no provincial limit.
"A shotgun must be plugged so that it cannot hold more than a total of three shells in the chamber and magazine combined."
I bought a couple older Belgium Browning A5 Light 12 shotguns recently...I’m used to a hunting shotgun coming already plugged at 3 shells.
I loaded 5 into both...I had an urge to look over my shoulder, since I’ve been checked countless times in the field by Staters and F&G checking for a plug.
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Beaver10: Top of the morning to you sir, I trust all is well with you and the day's as nice down there as it is up here.
Am trying to get some socially distanced auto insurance stuff done so am in from running the chainsaw for a bit. Good thing I heard the cell go off!
For us Canucks - and I'm sorry Paul, I should have been clearer about that tidbit - there can only be 5 shells or cartridges in any semi-automatic center fire arm. So that includes shotguns.
Honestly when one realizes that they keep on saying our AR's are "assault rifles" capable of mass death and destruction - but we're limited to 5 round mags..... anyways I digress.
For pump guns there's no limit on the number of shells the magazine can hold however, again if being used for purposes other than hunting migratory or upland game birds.
Hopefully that made enough sense to keep some Canuck out of trouble.
Again I need to state that I'm not a lawyer, didn't sleep in any motel lately and haven't been a PAL examiner for a long time now. I am still a BC certified Hunter Safety examiner however and a bit of a student of all things firearm related.
As mentioned, sometimes CO's will be more open to listening to folks talking about "bear protection" and sometimes less so, it all depends. My closest former and current LEO friends are fellow "gun guys" but they'll be the first to tell you that their a rare subspecies in Canadian LEO fields.
My goal is to hopefully help folks negotiate the minefield that is Canadian firearm law, but my goodness I hope I never come across as a "know it all".
Like a lot of things in life Paul, the more I learn, the more I know that I didn't know that much at all, you know?
Shot guns are plugged when you purchase them in Ontario.
Not that you can't remove the plugs, but I never have.
I don't know if "personal defense" would stand here ?
I'll ask one of my CO customers.
Are you positive that they are ALL plugged when you buy them? The last 870 I bought didn't have a plug installed, nor did it have one in the box.
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Why pack all that messy meat out of the bush when we can just go to the grocery store where meat is made? Hell,if they sold antlers I would save so much money I could afford to go Dolphin fishing. Maybe even a baby seal safari.
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