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So silent I had to put my earplugs in.... crickets are loud...

I use a scope and will gladly admit I suck.. Hell iron sight shooters are going the way of the dinosaur. When i started shooting last year, majority of service rifle guys were shooting irons. By the end of the season all of them switched to a scope. That 4.5x scope out to
600yds does help, but you still need to do your part. I need find my score when I shot service rifle last year. Found it shot a 176.. I hope we can get our season going this year

Oh, were you talking to me

score wise, it should be much easier to shoot 200s with that 4.5x scope for two reasons. One you are same focal plane so no aiming errors. Two you SHOULD be able to see more of the wind shifts/changes etc.... instead of praying to find a flag to watch thats accurate. I find mirage is ok, but if the wind is slow enough that mirage is good to read, then there really is not that much wind to worry about. Plus mirage can be a bit late too... thats why if I have my pick I want a flag showing the wind before it gets to my bullet... not after or at.

You would think it would easier.. we have flags all the way down the line for our shoots 100yd line, 300yd, 500 and 600yd. I watch mirage but I pay more attention to the flags. When you get back to Alaska you are more than welcomed to hit one our club shoots and give it whirl with my set up.. well if we ever get a season going..

That would be easier on me for sure. I don't have one setup.

Dang thing is this year it will be balls to the wall like last I think. But you never know. Though when fishing we fish 7 days a week...Will just have to see. I would love to shoot again for the heck of it.

Just being able to see clearly even with low X will be a plus to eyes I think. And should be able to see changes a bit while on the sight, which is tough on irons.

That said I've always tried to shoot flags, but then again you don't always have the flags you need, but if you have flags to 600 on EACH side of the range you can usually find one that tells the truth.

I suspect I would have to start all over on wind knowledge and shooting skills, but doesn't bother me. I'm used to starting at the bottom.

Rost, I've heard the saying that mirage is "wind in real time". Generally you can use mirage with a higher power scope, but a 4.5 won't pick up on it as much.. True? Hey, you will get a kick out of those sights I bought. Can't wait to get them on my Noveske and test them out. Waiting for them to be delivered... You are a good guy to have around, so we can pick your brain a little on this competitive shooting jazz... I was with the girlfriend today, shooting a long anticipated dueling tree that I was dragging my feet on making. I don't know why? Only 2 hours extra time at the shop lastnight, while the GF watched me weld and cut... We had a blast with our pistolas today..


Did a little rifle shooting too, while we were at the range. You know what I'd love to see is how well the OP's rifle shoots with those sights. I think they are pretty cool...

J, my club is going to have a shoot next saturday. Then we will have a rimfire shoot on the following saturday. Looks like they may be lifting some of the bans coming up here in May... Hopefully they open up your range soon too...

I don't like mirage as much as flags. It can be real time, but its so finicky, all the changes I can see in it, getting thicker, thinner etc... in a spotting scope drive me nuts thinking its something changing and its not really. I trust the RIGHT flag much more. I trust the feel on my face and what I see in dust/impacts, grass and so on much more.

Just me anyway.

Dueling trees can be fun. Haven't shot one in a couple of years though.

Can't wait to see the sights and the shooting on that too.

Thanks buddy. They are steel sights. A little different than anything else out there. Im a little concerned because they attach to the rail and handguard. I can see what you were warning me about in an earlier post, as far as getting consistent accuracy. They are ultradyne C4 sights with an 8moa front aperature and .05 rear aperature. I like lining up circles better. It helps with that parallax issue you were telling 79s about. Regardless of how well they work, ill probably start a thread on them. Even if i shoot an 8moa group at 100 yards with them, ill post it up..

What’s crazy we used one flag at 600yds according to it no wind. But why were we adjusting for wind. We had an extra flag and pole so I hauled it to the other side and wow what a difference. So one side the flag be moving in the wind. Meanwhile other flag not doing anything. That was an eye opener for sure..

OP is the one that went totally quiet rost... Ha ha.. I'd like to see some target pics from the rifle in the OP. Please.. Thanks...

Don’t have an AR, but do have a Redfield Olympic sight on a Rem 513T. Great sight it is.

You have to have the right flag for sure for that wind. A few smokes out there some days will really open your eyes. Think of wind as water. You've been on water. Watch how the water flows around objects... wind does the same basically. Once you figure that out you kind of can what flags to toss out right away sometimes, others to try to see. Best if if you can see an upwind accurate flag WHILE on your sights... thats tough.. at least have to see the flag while in position or its going to give you data you dont' want to see AFTER you shoot... Another reason to learn to break shots quickly once you decide.

I've said before and will again, its hard for me to mentally follow things while waiting on target service or whatever. So I used to be constantly on the sights and adjust every time I felt the need even if I wasn't even in position to shoot so to speak. And if it was different after I shot, even before the target went down I corrected what I saw and kept on until time to shoot... target coming up with shot location I might tweak it one last time and bang. A lot easier once you learn it, than it is to simply type and read.

That said one thing we used to do a bit, shoot without adjusting for wind until you are done. If you aren't shooting an X ring size group vertically there are other things holding you back.

And remember, the 10 ring is half the size of the X ring. a 10 is a warning.

A wise shooter once told me "a 10 is a 9 waiting to happen"

Yes sir... a 10 means you better buckle down harder... Good stuff rost.

I talked to several folks about adjusting and not adjusting. Some say hold for the wind others say treat each shot likes it’s your first shot and adjust.. I tried both, I adjust for the most part. But my data I always set it for 2-4 mph wind.. use my sighters to see where I’m at.

Man I can’t wait to get shooting the club shoots, I have some loads I need to verify. Might do it this coming week.

a 10 is always an Oh [bleep] moment for me. Sometimes its from praying for a shot that broke bad.... most of the time its a WTF did that come from....

If you want to learn, then treat each shot as if its your first. But there comes a time you want to win. Then you go with the flow. Sometimes in a string, and unfortunately sometimes more than once, I have had to stop, go back to zero and wait out a weird condition, and then start over.

But how often is your first shot a pinwheel X in conditions? I don't want to do it that way 22 times.

That said you are discussing shading and adjusting. We call em favors. I will favor on a sight but only enough to favor one side or the other of the X. If the favor is going to be a 10 I'm going to adjust and trust my sights not my eyes to a SWAG.

In the middle of a rapid fire string though you often don't have an option. I generally had time to click in prone rapid, but sitting rapid I SUCK at and it takes me forever to get into position and the mag change and etc..that I"ll favor.