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For a long time I've believe there are people who don't have the cognitive capacity to vote. Now I'm of the opinion that there are people who shouldn't be allowed to own guns. Maybe the very idea that 'all' people should have a particular right is wrong?

This is how the tide will turn against 'you' gun owners. 'Us' gun owners will eventually have to admit that there are some people who shouldn't have guns.

As for the argument that guns are necessary to avoid tyranny, at this point I'm more worried about the tyranny of the stupid, which seems to be flooding this nation.

I think we need to get society back to shooting burglars/thieves instead of wasting tax dollars on catch-n-release prisons. Way too many people have adopted theft as a lifestyle.

Would you wait on the cops if two black guys pulled guns on you? Looks like he was justifiably in fear of his life and trying to do what he could to fight back.

I realize "Hispanic" is not considered a race but George Zimmerman is half Hispanic with a Jewish last name and is "brown" in color. If my white cracker azz attacked George Zimmerman and made mention of his brown color and I was anti-semantic would the news report two white guys got into it OR would the story be white azz cracker from WV attack a brown Jew? So this begs the question why George Zimmerman is white to the media? To meet the agenda.

This will be settled in court I suppose. Meanwhile, a jogger brought 2 fists to a shotgun fight. Stupid fixed.

I’m also going to add that about the only real excuse these guys may have - and that’s a big “MAY” - is if the dead guy had committed a violent crime prior. Failing that, I’m gonna guess they’re about to enjoy a long stay at some random correctional facility courtesy of the state.

That’s if the feds don’t get involved and decide to charge them with a hate crime or civil rights violation as well, in which case possibly it’ll be club fed, courtesy of Uncle Sam.

I see what your saying... but this happened in Feb... it never came out because the local govt took it for what was told to them. The video was leaked out, and the GBI is actually investigating who leaked it.... the only reason you or I know about it several months later is because someone leaked the tape, not the narrative that two white guys killed a black thief... its two white criminals who make law abiding gun owners look bad, decided to take the law into their own hands and put someone on trial on a suburban street, and convict him to death.

Complete ignorance has never stopped you from having an opinion every other time, why stop now?

Why run around the truck and try and take the shotgun? You are forcing the guy to shoot you, at that point. White dudes were clearly pissed about the recent thefts. They just took some pretty extreme action to deal with it.

I thought i heard one of the guys had a relative in local Gov or LE.

I've had guns pointed at me and, rather than try to attack the guy(s) holding the gun, it was "yes sir/no sir" "what would you like me to do, sir?".

That anyone is dumb enough to think they are going to win bare handed in a fight against a firearm is a crime in itself. Most people aren't stupid enough to get close enough to you that you are going to perform a disarm like Chuck Norris. This denial of reality seems to be a problem of black culture.

Hell way back Win Moses tried to get a relative out of some murder deal, got caught. Didnt hurt his political career.
But he was a democrat..

This.

The father used to be a cop.

There's an old saw about rushing a gun but fleeing from a knife.

I doubt the guy who got killed thought of that or was thinking clearly at all. It looked to me like he was trying to keep the other guy from shooting him.

Attributed to Jimmy Hoffa in the most recent movie about him. But that only applies if someone appears to be an assassin. If someone merely has a gun to give weight to his commands, charging it is 100% stupid.

Chasing someone down and shooting them is stupid. The should have called the police and observed the man if they thought that he was involved in a criminal activity. If a black person was jogging through my 98+% white neighborhood I'd be suspicious and I might keep my 12 gauge close at hand, but I sure as hell wouldn't chase him down on a public street, confront him with a firearm, and shoot him.

It is fight or flight.
Why complicate it with other options?

^^^What he said. Thumbs up.

I've read about 25 stories on this subject and they don't vary to much.

Travis McMichael, the son of the trucks driver Gregory McMichael did the shooting.
He was riding in the bed of the truck with the shotgun while they pursued Ahmaud Arbery, the supposed burglar.

Gregory McMicheal is a retired LEO.

They had seen Arbery jog by their home and thought he looked like a person they had seen on a security video recorded at a home that had recently been robbed. They were having a rash of homes under construction being stolen from.

Gregory grabbed his 357 and his son a shotgun and they left their home in their pickup looking for the jogger.
They had called another neighbor before they left their home to assist them and he is the one in the car shooting video from his cell phone.
They got close enough to Arbery at one point in the chase to tell him to stop but he avoided them and continued running, they turned their truck around, took another route and were waiting for him when he rounded the corner as seen in the video.

It appears to many that Arbery was attempting to get get around the truck and continue running from them when Travis cut him off in front of the truck with shotgun in hand.

Gregory was on the phone with 911 when his son shot Arbery....

The full police report can be viewed at https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6915-arbery-shooting/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf (it don't exactly match the video but pretty close)

This photo of the father son duo is all over the internet, it's instigated numerous threats for the father and son.

Thanks Dad......