Trayvon Martin II - 24hourcampfire

Once again two innocent white men are going to get dragged through the courts for doing nothing other that attempting to make a citizens arrest of a running black man.

Bad comparison. By all accounts the jogger had done nothing wrong and frequently ran in the neighborhood. Even pro-2A conservative talk show hosts in my area are calling for an investigation.

I wonder if the burglaries in the neighborhood ceased after that?

There are 2 sides to every story and the one guy can't tell his version

Counterpoint: According to this video...

....the dead guy “looked” like a perp who had been committing burglaries (I would guess he might have been, the three armed citizens who lived there obviously thought he was).

....the guy in the video claims that according, to Georgia law, you can only affect a citizen’s arrest if you see a crime in progress. The armed citizens apparently did not.

....the dead guy who was fleeing the scene was being pursued by at least three armed citizens in two vehicles.

....when confronted by the armed citizen, the dead guy attempted to evade at which time the shotgun-armed citizen moved to block his flight, precipitating the fatal struggle.

....according to the guy in this video link, the Prosecutor held on to the possibly damning video until it was anonymously leaked (I have no idea even if true, if that constitutes malfeasance on the part of the Prosecutor.

Here’s the counterpoint:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RtEZaDWh_20&feature=emb_rel_end

If the Citizens’ Arrest Law in Georgia is true as presented, I would guess a whole lot is gonna ride on the question of if they SAW the dead guy actually committing a crime.

Either way, hindsight says they shoulda handled it different, I’m sure the armed citizens at this point wish they had.

It’s gonna be bad for them. It will cost them every thing.

If he was involved with the local burglaries I'm sure by now they have finger prints and other evidence connecting him.
The vigilantes should do just fine, it's bound to be the reason why the shooters have yet to be arrested, the authorities just want to keep their evidence secret.

Lol... innocent?.... what they did makes law abiding gun owners look horrible. They were chasing someone down a public street... self defense? They placed themselves in that situation. If it was in their house, maybe even their yard.... so be it, however they were running someone down and they arent officers of the law.

They are done for, and rightfully so. This is 100x’s worse than the guy in the Tampa Bay area shooting the guys boyfriend over the handicap space.

Was the dead guy innocent, I dont know..... is the shooter innocent, no, not in the least.

How is it that this just “happened” to be on video? Two against one and they shoot the guy. Stupid rednecks.

I don’t know how to link the video, but the Austin Rhodes Talk Show FB page has the full video. It was taken by a 3rd person who was following. You can hear him rack a pistol slide while filming and note that he doesn’t make any comments when the shooting starts. Looks like a really bad shoot.

Originally Posted by 16bore

How is it that this just “happened” to be on video? Two against one and they shoot the guy. Stupid rednecks.

The self appointed neighborhood cops were being recorded driving around locked and loaded...Someone just thought that it was interesting enough to capture on their cell phone.

More stupid white guys.

Doesn't resemble the Trayvon Martin situation in the least.

unless they're cops or they caught him on their property, they are in the wrong. they should have called the cops. they will pay big time.

Now the Georgia Bureau of Investigation are opening a investigation into who released the video...lol....
They will get those responsible for trying to make these white guys look bad....somebody is gonna pay...
Ya gotta love Southern Justice

Idiots.

The black guy sure didn't have on the typical clothing you'd be wearing while jogging. I'd like to know the criminal record of the black man that was killed - murdered. Most criminals don't jog down the middle of the road especially when someone is after them. Personally I feel like the white guys are guilty of murdering the black guy.

Different situation than TM. Pretty sure ol George didnt attempt to detain TM while brandishing a weapon.

Originally Posted by Mannlicher

More stupid white guys.

Truer words were never spoken. Looks like straight up murder to me, but since the Vic was black some here seem okay with it.

Originally Posted by Mannlicher

More stupid white guys.

Truer words were never spoken. Looks like straight up murder to me, but since the Vic was black some here seem okay with it.

I'd like to see the full length video before I condemn the shooters, but from the information presented and the short clip there I can guarantee you the shooters will rue the day they tried to play hero.

I don't know anything about this case so I cannot form an opinion.

All the suspect had to do was stop and wait for the police to arrive - instead he runs around the truck and tries to take the gun .

When he proved he was innocent - demand action be taken on the group brandishing weapons , false imprisonment etc. .

I'd give five to one odds he's a thief doing exactly what those people suspect he was doing - stealing peoples stuff .

JeffA might be right - maybe they'll have fingerprints left by the little dindunuffin .

That bunch made some dumb mistakes against a member of the protected class - the media will convict each and every one of them .

Seems pretty straightforward to me. The two white guys committed premeditated murder.

Originally Posted by ol_mike

All the suspect had to do was stop and wait for the police to arrive - instead he runs around the truck and tries to take the gun .

When he proved he was innocent - demand action be taken on the group brandishing weapons , false imprisonment etc. .

I'd give five to one odds he's a thief doing exactly what those people suspect he was doing - stealing peoples stuff .

JeffA might be right - maybe they'll have fingerprints left by the little dindunuffin .

That bunch made some dumb mistakes against a member of the protected class - the media will convict each and every one of them .

Last I checked, being an accomplice to murder, and murder are capital crimes....

Burglary is not.

You can thank those two jackasses the next time an antigun bill comes back up. While your saying he should have just stopped and waited, are you suggesting that no one defends themselves? That goes against the entire stance of the 2A.....

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I'd like to see the full length video before I condemn the shooters, but from the information presented and the short clip there I can guarantee you the shooters will rue the day they tried to play hero.

This is the only place it's posted so far..

https://www.facebook.com/75430353279/videos/260301265018864/

I'm withholding judgement until LeBron James makes a statement.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Seems pretty straightforward to me. The two white guys committed premeditated murder.

Why didn't they just shoot him on sight then ? You know - both of them just unload on the guy and drive off after their planned murder was over ? LAFFIN

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by ol_mike

All the suspect had to do was stop and wait for the police to arrive - instead he runs around the truck and tries to take the gun .

When he proved he was innocent - demand action be taken on the group brandishing weapons , false imprisonment etc. .

I'd give five to one odds he's a thief doing exactly what those people suspect he was doing - stealing peoples stuff .

JeffA might be right - maybe they'll have fingerprints left by the little dindunuffin .

That bunch made some dumb mistakes against a member of the protected class - the media will convict each and every one of them .

Last I checked, being an accomplice to murder, and murder are capital crimes....

Burglary is not.

You can thank those two jackasses the next time an antigun bill comes back up. While your saying he should have just stopped and waited, are you suggesting that no one defends themselves? That goes against the entire stance of the 2A.....

Trying to disarm the guy is what got him killed , they were trying to hold him there until the police arrived .
Only a dumbass tries to take a shotgun away from a person saying citizens arrest - citizens arrest .

Originally Posted by ol_mike

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by ol_mike

All the suspect had to do was stop and wait for the police to arrive - instead he runs around the truck and tries to take the gun .

When he proved he was innocent - demand action be taken on the group brandishing weapons , false imprisonment etc. .

I'd give five to one odds he's a thief doing exactly what those people suspect he was doing - stealing peoples stuff .

JeffA might be right - maybe they'll have fingerprints left by the little dindunuffin .

That bunch made some dumb mistakes against a member of the protected class - the media will convict each and every one of them .

Last I checked, being an accomplice to murder, and murder are capital crimes....

Burglary is not.

You can thank those two jackasses the next time an antigun bill comes back up. While your saying he should have just stopped and waited, are you suggesting that no one defends themselves? That goes against the entire stance of the 2A.....

Trying to disarm the guy is what got him killed , they were trying to hold him there until the police arrived .
Only a dumbass tries to take a shotgun away from a person saying citizens arrest - citizens arrest .

I think its obvious who the dumb ass is here...

Originally Posted by JeffA

If he was involved with the local burglaries I'm sure by now they have finger prints and other evidence connecting him.
The vigilantes should do just fine, it's bound to be the reason why the shooters have yet to be arrested, the authorities just want to keep their evidence secret.

They are too dumb to wear gloves, even with Covid running rampant?

I'm all for killing gangbangers, dope dealers and thugs. For all I know this guy might of needed killing, but put yourself in his position. Using force to stop someone on a public road because you suspect they committed a crime is BS. Do we stopped and kill all joggers or just the black one's? This happened in broad daylight, why not just call the cops and let them handle this situation. K9 would love to put Rin Tin Tin on some black azz just for a training exercise. If some rednecks pull a gun on me they better be ready to pull the trigger, if not I'm going to make them eat it.

“2010 Georgia Code
TITLE 17 - CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
CHAPTER 4 - ARREST OF PERSONS
ARTICLE 4 - ARREST BY PRIVATE PERSONS
§ 17-4-60 - Grounds for arrest
O.C.G.A. 17-4-60 (2010)
17-4-60. Grounds for arrest

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge.”

The white dudes didnt just commit murder, they were attempting to illegally detain someone as well. Per their statements, they had no grounds to make a citizens arrest, as they say the gentlemen only fit a description.

Ol’Mike - a guys standing in your kitchen raping your wife with a gun.... under your pretense you should run away, because confronting him could get you killed.... and only a dumb ass doesn’t listen to a guy with a gun. You should stand down and wait for the police and then seek retribution after the fact.

The brothas are gonna have a high time with those boys in jail.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by ol_mike

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by ol_mike

All the suspect had to do was stop and wait for the police to arrive - instead he runs around the truck and tries to take the gun .

When he proved he was innocent - demand action be taken on the group brandishing weapons , false imprisonment etc. .

I'd give five to one odds he's a thief doing exactly what those people suspect he was doing - stealing peoples stuff .

JeffA might be right - maybe they'll have fingerprints left by the little dindunuffin .

That bunch made some dumb mistakes against a member of the protected class - the media will convict each and every one of them .

Last I checked, being an accomplice to murder, and murder are capital crimes....

Burglary is not.

You can thank those two jackasses the next time an antigun bill comes back up. While your saying he should have just stopped and waited, are you suggesting that no one defends themselves? That goes against the entire stance of the 2A.....

Trying to disarm the guy is what got him killed , they were trying to hold him there until the police arrived .
Only a dumbass tries to take a shotgun away from a person saying citizens arrest - citizens arrest .

I think its obvious who the dumb ass is here...

Pretty sure you would try to take the gun away, dumbass. After all, dont you vote for those who try to take our guns away? Without them, the crooks in Govt and in our cities could rob us at will. Isnt that what your dumbass wants?

I guess you can't remember how that worked out for those under your buds Mao, Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot.

Whatever. The "victim" is good now.

So far, only one side of the story is being told.
It looks bad, but I would like to hear the other side of the story.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by ol_mike

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by ol_mike

All the suspect had to do was stop and wait for the police to arrive - instead he runs around the truck and tries to take the gun .

When he proved he was innocent - demand action be taken on the group brandishing weapons , false imprisonment etc. .

I'd give five to one odds he's a thief doing exactly what those people suspect he was doing - stealing peoples stuff .

JeffA might be right - maybe they'll have fingerprints left by the little dindunuffin .

That bunch made some dumb mistakes against a member of the protected class - the media will convict each and every one of them .

Last I checked, being an accomplice to murder, and murder are capital crimes....

Burglary is not.

You can thank those two jackasses the next time an antigun bill comes back up. While your saying he should have just stopped and waited, are you suggesting that no one defends themselves? That goes against the entire stance of the 2A.....

Trying to disarm the guy is what got him killed , they were trying to hold him there until the police arrived .
Only a dumbass tries to take a shotgun away from a person saying citizens arrest - citizens arrest .

I think its obvious who the dumb ass is here...

Pretty sure you would try to take the gun away, dumbass. After all, dont you vote for those who try to take our guns away? Without them, the crooks in Govt and in our cities could rob us at will. Isnt that what your dumbass wants?

I guess you can't remember how that worked out for those under your buds Mao, Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot.

What? You f’ing old conspiracy chasin retard.... I know your beyond racist because as I said before its obvious you walked in on your ex or daughter taking it from a black man... your constant posts on the matter make it clear. Im clearly a big gun fan, im on a gun forum.... if you cant read the law, see what happened in the video, and read Ol’Mikes comments and not shake your head.... your clearly some jackass watching extremist right wing propaganda and reposting it on a gun forum for likes...

Looks like a clusterfork, even if they did happen to blast the burglar.

Need more facts.

Wonder if it was bird shot?

Was the guy running because he was involved in a crime of some sort or was he really just jogging?

Why was the guy in the car already filming with the cellphone? Who the hell drives around and just happens to be filming with a cellphone just before an incident? That tells me something had already occurred further back before it started.

If the black guy had been involved in an altercation with dumbasses #1 and #2 prior to the incident, it might explain their zealousness in chasing him down. Doesn’t make it right or wrong, just maybe explains it.

There are a million different scenarios, that could explain why things happened the way they did. Stupidity not the least of them. Hopefully there will be an impartial investigation and the truth will come out. Until then anything we say based on what we saw is nothing but pure speculation because none of us were there.

I will go out on a limb and guess that none of the three people involved are (or were) the best and brightest humanity has to offer...

For a long time I've believe there are people who don't have the cognitive capacity to vote. Now I'm of the opinion that there are people who shouldn't be allowed to own guns. Maybe the very idea that 'all' people should have a particular right is wrong?

This is how the tide will turn against 'you' gun owners. 'Us' gun owners will eventually have to admit that there are some people who shouldn't have guns.

As for the argument that guns are necessary to avoid tyranny, at this point I'm more worried about the tyranny of the stupid, which seems to be flooding this nation.

I think we need to get society back to shooting burglars/thieves instead of wasting tax dollars on catch-n-release prisons. Way too many people have adopted theft as a lifestyle.

Originally Posted by ol_mike

All the suspect had to do was stop and wait for the police to arrive - instead he runs around the truck and tries to take the gun .

When he proved he was innocent - demand action be taken on the group brandishing weapons , false imprisonment etc. .

I'd give five to one odds he's a thief doing exactly what those people suspect he was doing - stealing peoples stuff .

JeffA might be right - maybe they'll have fingerprints left by the little dindunuffin .

That bunch made some dumb mistakes against a member of the protected class - the media will convict each and every one of them .

Would you wait on the cops if two black guys pulled guns on you? Looks like he was justifiably in fear of his life and trying to do what he could to fight back.

I realize "Hispanic" is not considered a race but George Zimmerman is half Hispanic with a Jewish last name and is "brown" in color. If my white cracker azz attacked George Zimmerman and made mention of his brown color and I was anti-semantic would the news report two white guys got into it OR would the story be white azz cracker from WV attack a brown Jew? So this begs the question why George Zimmerman is white to the media? To meet the agenda.

This will be settled in court I suppose. Meanwhile, a jogger brought 2 fists to a shotgun fight. Stupid fixed.

I’m also going to add that about the only real excuse these guys may have - and that’s a big “MAY” - is if the dead guy had committed a violent crime prior. Failing that, I’m gonna guess they’re about to enjoy a long stay at some random correctional facility courtesy of the state.

That’s if the feds don’t get involved and decide to charge them with a hate crime or civil rights violation as well, in which case possibly it’ll be club fed, courtesy of Uncle Sam.

Originally Posted by Dave_in_WV

I realize "Hispanic" is not considered a race but George Zimmerman is half Hispanic with a Jewish last name and is "brown" in color. If my white cracker azz attacked George Zimmerman and made mention of his brown color and I was anti-semantic would the news report two white guys got into it OR would the story be white azz cracker from WV attack a brown Jew? So this begs the question why George Zimmerman is white to the media? To meet the agenda.

I see what your saying... but this happened in Feb... it never came out because the local govt took it for what was told to them. The video was leaked out, and the GBI is actually investigating who leaked it.... the only reason you or I know about it several months later is because someone leaked the tape, not the narrative that two white guys killed a black thief... its two white criminals who make law abiding gun owners look bad, decided to take the law into their own hands and put someone on trial on a suburban street, and convict him to death.

Originally Posted by deflave

I don't know anything about this case so I cannot form an opinion.

Complete ignorance has never stopped you from having an opinion every other time, why stop now?

Why run around the truck and try and take the shotgun? You are forcing the guy to shoot you, at that point. White dudes were clearly pissed about the recent thefts. They just took some pretty extreme action to deal with it.

I thought i heard one of the guys had a relative in local Gov or LE.

Originally Posted by mrfudd

Would you wait on the cops if two black guys pulled guns on you? Looks like he was justifiably in fear of his life and trying to do what he could to fight back.

I've had guns pointed at me and, rather than try to attack the guy(s) holding the gun, it was "yes sir/no sir" "what would you like me to do, sir?".

That anyone is dumb enough to think they are going to win bare handed in a fight against a firearm is a crime in itself. Most people aren't stupid enough to get close enough to you that you are going to perform a disarm like Chuck Norris. This denial of reality seems to be a problem of black culture.

Hell way back Win Moses tried to get a relative out of some murder deal, got caught. Didnt hurt his political career.
But he was a democrat..

Originally Posted by Anaconda

So far, only one side of the story is being told.
It looks bad, but I would like to hear the other side of the story.

This.

Originally Posted by hookeye

I thought i heard one of the guys had a relative in local Gov or LE.

The father used to be a cop.

Originally Posted by wilkeshunter

Why run around the truck and try and take the shotgun? You are forcing the guy to shoot you, at that point. .

There's an old saw about rushing a gun but fleeing from a knife.

I doubt the guy who got killed thought of that or was thinking clearly at all. It looked to me like he was trying to keep the other guy from shooting him.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by wilkeshunter

Why run around the truck and try and take the shotgun? You are forcing the guy to shoot you, at that point. .

There's an old saw about rushing a gun but fleeing from a knife.

Attributed to Jimmy Hoffa in the most recent movie about him. But that only applies if someone appears to be an assassin. If someone merely has a gun to give weight to his commands, charging it is 100% stupid.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by wilkeshunter

Why run around the truck and try and take the shotgun? You are forcing the guy to shoot you, at that point. .

There's an old saw about rushing a gun but fleeing from a knife.

Attributed to Jimmy Hoffa in the most recent movie about him. But that only applies if someone appears to be an assassin. If someone merely has a gun to give weight to his commands, charging it is 100% stupid.

Chasing someone down and shooting them is stupid. The should have called the police and observed the man if they thought that he was involved in a criminal activity. If a black person was jogging through my 98+% white neighborhood I'd be suspicious and I might keep my 12 gauge close at hand, but I sure as hell wouldn't chase him down on a public street, confront him with a firearm, and shoot him.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by mrfudd

Would you wait on the cops if two black guys pulled guns on you? Looks like he was justifiably in fear of his life and trying to do what he could to fight back.

I've had guns pointed at me and, rather than try to attack the guy(s) holding the gun, it was "yes sir/no sir" "what would you like me to do, sir?".

That anyone is dumb enough to think they are going to win bare handed in a fight against a firearm is a crime in itself. Most people aren't stupid enough to get close enough to you that you are going to perform a disarm like Chuck Norris. This denial of reality seems to be a problem of black culture.

It is fight or flight.
Why complicate it with other options?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by ol_mike

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by ol_mike

All the suspect had to do was stop and wait for the police to arrive - instead he runs around the truck and tries to take the gun .

When he proved he was innocent - demand action be taken on the group brandishing weapons , false imprisonment etc. .

I'd give five to one odds he's a thief doing exactly what those people suspect he was doing - stealing peoples stuff .

JeffA might be right - maybe they'll have fingerprints left by the little dindunuffin .

That bunch made some dumb mistakes against a member of the protected class - the media will convict each and every one of them .

Last I checked, being an accomplice to murder, and murder are capital crimes....

Burglary is not.

You can thank those two jackasses the next time an antigun bill comes back up. While your saying he should have just stopped and waited, are you suggesting that no one defends themselves? That goes against the entire stance of the 2A.....

Trying to disarm the guy is what got him killed , they were trying to hold him there until the police arrived .
Only a dumbass tries to take a shotgun away from a person saying citizens arrest - citizens arrest .

I think its obvious who the dumb ass is here...

Pretty sure you would try to take the gun away, dumbass. After all, dont you vote for those who try to take our guns away? Without them, the crooks in Govt and in our cities could rob us at will. Isnt that what your dumbass wants?

I guess you can't remember how that worked out for those under your buds Mao, Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot.

What? You f’ing old conspiracy chasin retard.... I know your beyond racist because as I said before its obvious you walked in on your ex or daughter taking it from a black man... your constant posts on the matter make it clear. Im clearly a big gun fan, im on a gun forum.... if you cant read the law, see what happened in the video, and read Ol’Mikes comments and not shake your head.... your clearly some jackass watching extremist right wing propaganda and reposting it on a gun forum for likes...

^^^What he said. Thumbs up.

I've read about 25 stories on this subject and they don't vary to much.

Travis McMichael, the son of the trucks driver Gregory McMichael did the shooting.
He was riding in the bed of the truck with the shotgun while they pursued Ahmaud Arbery, the supposed burglar.

Gregory McMicheal is a retired LEO.

They had seen Arbery jog by their home and thought he looked like a person they had seen on a security video recorded at a home that had recently been robbed. They were having a rash of homes under construction being stolen from.

Gregory grabbed his 357 and his son a shotgun and they left their home in their pickup looking for the jogger.
They had called another neighbor before they left their home to assist them and he is the one in the car shooting video from his cell phone.
They got close enough to Arbery at one point in the chase to tell him to stop but he avoided them and continued running, they turned their truck around, took another route and were waiting for him when he rounded the corner as seen in the video.

It appears to many that Arbery was attempting to get get around the truck and continue running from them when Travis cut him off in front of the truck with shotgun in hand.

Gregory was on the phone with 911 when his son shot Arbery....

The full police report can be viewed at https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6915-arbery-shooting/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf (it don't exactly match the video but pretty close)

This photo of the father son duo is all over the internet, it's instigated numerous threats for the father and son.

Thanks Dad......

[Linked Image from pbs.twimg.com]

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by mrfudd

Would you wait on the cops if two black guys pulled guns on you? Looks like he was justifiably in fear of his life and trying to do what he could to fight back.

I've had guns pointed at me and, rather than try to attack the guy(s) holding the gun, it was "yes sir/no sir" "what would you like me to do, sir?".

That anyone is dumb enough to think they are going to win bare handed in a fight against a firearm is a crime in itself. Most people aren't stupid enough to get close enough to you that you are going to perform a disarm like Chuck Norris. This denial of reality seems to be a problem of black culture.

It takes a special kind of stupid to even ask a question like that ''attack a guy with a gun'' no better way to win the Darwin award .
Fudd & ebt123 have the same IQ as the dead thief .
Maybe we'll get to see the little dindunuffins baby pictures sitting amongst a bunch of stuff his parents likely stole somewhere - LAFFF .

A friends - friend is a walmart manager here in fort walton beach - said the subject came up ''has anybody ever seen a black person ''buy'' a bicycle'' ? It got quietly asked around and nobody ever remembered seeing a black buy a bicycle . But every single one of them has a bike .

There's a joke here - What's little Demeetrious getting for Christmas - punchline ----YOUR BIKE !

So the GBI is investigating who leaked the tape, eh?

What they should be investigating is why the prosecutor sat on this for months and refused to prosecute.

In the most favorable interpretation possible, the three perps were breaking the law by trying to arrest the jogger (the law says they must observe him committing a crime to do that) and an accidental homicide happened.

I'm curious who the third perp was, why he was dumb enough to video the chase, and how the cops got the video. Also what was the victim's background? Though neither has any bearing on the felony that was committed.

The cellphone video was initially posted by a Brunswick radio station, it's not stated anywhere I have seen as to how they obtained it.

Georgia law says a person can kill in self-defense “only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury ... or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.” The law also says a person who provokes an attack or acts as “the aggressor” can’t claim self-defense.

Looks like straight up murder. This optic will be presented as the "good ol' boys" in their pickup killing a black man for sport. Only thing missing is an AR-15.

The MSM has been waiting for something just like this. They will run with this, fanning the flames of racial division, right up to the election.

Obama will be weighing in on this soon.

Former Vice President Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic nominee for president, also weighed in. “The video is clear: Ahmaud Arbery was killed in cold blood," Biden wrote on Twitter, referring to the death as a “murder.”

Originally Posted by duck911

Originally Posted by deflave

I don't know anything about this case so I cannot form an opinion.

Complete ignorance has never stopped you from having an opinion every other time, why stop now?

Duck O' Death,

I'm feeling melancholy today and could really use a pick-me-up.

Could you please post your resume'?

The MSM will be blaming this on Trump, probably before today is over.

Originally Posted by MontanaMarine

Looks like straight up murder. This optic will be presented as the "good ol' boys" in their pickup killing a black man for sport. Only thing missing is an AR-15.

The MSM has been waiting for something just like this. They will run with this, fanning the flames of racial division, right up to the election.

Obama will be weighing in on this soon.

+1

Originally Posted by ol_mike

All the suspect had to do was stop and wait for the police to arrive - instead he runs around the truck and tries to take the gun .

When he proved he was innocent - demand action be taken on the group brandishing weapons , false imprisonment etc. .

I'd give five to one odds he's a thief doing exactly what those people suspect he was doing - stealing peoples stuff .

JeffA might be right - maybe they'll have fingerprints left by the little dindunuffin .

That bunch made some dumb mistakes against a member of the protected class - the media will convict each and every one of them .

Why didn't those dumbasses follow at a discreet distance and advise the cops on what was happening? This is just blatant stupidity or even something new, premeditated stupidity.

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Was the guy running because he was involved in a crime of some sort or was he really just jogging?

Why was the guy in the car already filming with the cellphone? Who the hell drives around and just happens to be filming with a cellphone just before an incident? That tells me something had already occurred further back before it started.

If the black guy had been involved in an altercation with dumbasses #1 and #2 prior to the incident, it might explain their zealousness in chasing him down. Doesn’t make it right or wrong, just maybe explains it.

There are a million different scenarios, that could explain why things happened the way they did. Stupidity not the least of them. Hopefully there will be an impartial investigation and the truth will come out. Until then anything we say based on what we saw is nothing but pure speculation because none of us were there.

I will go out on a limb and guess that none of the three people involved are (or were) the best and brightest humanity has to offer...

Where is the loot from the burglary? Where are the tools used for a burglary? Why would a burglar run down the middle of the street in broad daylight?

Originally Posted by smarquez

Originally Posted by ol_mike

All the suspect had to do was stop and wait for the police to arrive - instead he runs around the truck and tries to take the gun .

When he proved he was innocent - demand action be taken on the group brandishing weapons , false imprisonment etc. .

I'd give five to one odds he's a thief doing exactly what those people suspect he was doing - stealing peoples stuff .

JeffA might be right - maybe they'll have fingerprints left by the little dindunuffin .

That bunch made some dumb mistakes against a member of the protected class - the media will convict each and every one of them .

Why didn't those dumbasses follow at a discreet distance and advise the cops on what was happening? This is just blatant stupidity or even something new, premeditated stupidity.

Agree .

Brunswick Georgia,...55% black with a crime rate about double the national average,..in a small town of 16,000 people.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Brunswick-Georgia.html

Originally Posted by smarquez

Why didn't those dumbasses follow at a discreet distance and advise the cops on what was happening? This is just blatant stupidity or even something new, premeditated stupidity.

Why would you wait for the cops? So you can get ignored while the alleged perp runs away? Do you think the cops would even bother to respond?

Even if it’s proven he was involved in every burglary.......likely won’t be made public.

Things will burn if these guys are let off scott-free.

Not about guilt or innocence, but political wind.

This will be worse than Brown or Martin.

Obama will instigate, if needed. A gig to Trump.

Out jogging.....or flat-out sprinting?

Originally Posted by JeffA

If he was involved with the local burglaries I'm sure by now they have finger prints and other evidence connecting him.
The vigilantes should do just fine, it's bound to be the reason why the shooters have yet to be arrested, the authorities just want to keep their evidence secret.

From the video and what I have heard and read, I would expect the shooter to be charged with 1st degree murder, the dad with accessory and all three with conspiracy to commit. This was a lynch mob. If the dad was a former LEO, he should have known the shítstorm their actions would create. If he didn't, he is a first rate dumbass and deserves the ass-raping he will get in prison.

Just my humble opinion.

Originally Posted by ol_mike

Originally Posted by smarquez

Originally Posted by ol_mike

All the suspect had to do was stop and wait for the police to arrive - instead he runs around the truck and tries to take the gun .

When he proved he was innocent - demand action be taken on the group brandishing weapons , false imprisonment etc. .

I'd give five to one odds he's a thief doing exactly what those people suspect he was doing - stealing peoples stuff .

JeffA might be right - maybe they'll have fingerprints left by the little dindunuffin .

That bunch made some dumb mistakes against a member of the protected class - the media will convict each and every one of them .

Why didn't those dumbasses follow at a discreet distance and advise the cops on what was happening? This is just blatant stupidity or even something new, premeditated stupidity.

Agree .

From the looks of the video, if ANYONE was justified in using deadly force, it would have been the deceased.

Idiots. These guys should start hoarding soap-on-a-rope. And lube.

It's always a possibility he's a burglar. But the time of day, and his attire don't really fit that crime.

They say he frequently jogs in the area. But he wasn't wearing true athletic attire.

My guess, probably he has been in that neighborhood regularly, 'visiting' someone's wife.

Originally Posted by Colorado14er

This was a lynch mob. If the dad was a former LEO, he should have known the shítstorm their actions would create. If he didn't, he is a first rate dumbass and deserves the ass-raping he will get in prison.

Just my humble opinion.

.....

I don’t think they went into this intending to shoot the guy.

They need to go through the deceased dude's smartphone, see what hook-up site he was on, and who he was hooking up with.

Probably some bored housewife in that area.....while the husband is at work.

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Originally Posted by wilkeshunter

Why run around the truck and try and take the shotgun? You are forcing the guy to shoot you, at that point. White dudes were clearly pissed about the recent thefts. They just took some pretty extreme action to deal with it.

Because, once you surrender to the three holding the guns, you are at their complete mercy to do with as they please.

You have no idea what "they please" is. It might include fists, boots, and baseball bats. It might well end in a lynching from a tree along the nearest country road. Or it might just as easily be a bullet to the back of the skull as soon as you surrender.

At least you have some chance, slim as it may be, as long as you are fighting.

I would have to ask if the victim in this case was carrying a cell phone, and if he dialed 911 during the chase. That would be the response of an honest man.

Not that it matters whether the victim was honest, or guilty of previous burglaries. This is murder either way.

The deceased tried avoiding confrontation by going around. The GOB's (Good ol' Boys) were not going to let him pass.

When they threatened the use of deadly force, it appears the deceased tried to wrestle the shotgun away.

Originally Posted by wilkeshunter

Why run around the truck and try and take the shotgun? You are forcing the guy to shoot you, at that point. White dudes were clearly pissed about the recent thefts. They just took some pretty extreme action to deal with it.

Poor Ned. Must have been a starving actor at that time. Otherwise, who takes that part?

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by wilkeshunter

Why run around the truck and try and take the shotgun? You are forcing the guy to shoot you, at that point. White dudes were clearly pissed about the recent thefts. They just took some pretty extreme action to deal with it.

Originally Posted by MontanaMarine

They need to go through the deceased dude's smartphone, see what hook-up site he was on, and who he was hooking up with.

Probably some bored housewife in that area.....while the husband is at work.

Possibly, the ex-cops wife or daughter, thus the motivation to capture and have their way with the victim.

A question for those of you who assume the jogger was guilty of a crime simply because he was black.

What if the jogger were white and the shooters black? Any shift in your default position?

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Originally Posted by MontanaMarine

They need to go through the deceased dude's smartphone, see what hook-up site he was on, and who he was hooking up with.

Probably some bored housewife in that area.....while the husband is at work.

Possibly, the ex-cops wife or daughter, thus the motivation to capture and have their way with the victim.

Most murders are motivated by money, sex, or revenge.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Poor Ned. Must have been a starving actor at that time. Otherwise, who takes that part?

I doubt he gave it much thought.

He's from Kentucky.

Originally Posted by OregonCoot

A question for those of you who assume the jogger was guilty of a crime simply because he was black.

What if the jogger were white and the shooters black? Any shift in your default position?

Profiling is based upon probability, which in turn is based up prior experience. How many White guys were burglarizing Black neighborhoods?

Originally Posted by OregonCoot

A question for those of you who assume the jogger was guilty of a crime simply because he was black.

What if the jogger were white and the shooters black? Any shift in your default position?

I think most folks are suspicious of the main stream media’s narrative when it comes to these things.

Remember the photo of Trayvon, as a 12 year old?

You’ve obviously spent too much time on the west coast, buying 100%......the government and media narratives.

The facts will hopefully come out......which rarely is what’s originally reported.

Originally Posted by OregonCoot

A question for those of you who assume the jogger was guilty of a crime simply because he was black.

What if the jogger were white and the shooters black? Any shift in your default position?

The third vigilante, the man shooting video from his car as he also followed Ahmaud Arbery thought their neighborhood was Bryan Williams.
He was armed with a handgun.
As the video looses focus on Arbery you can hear Williams jack a round into the chamber of his gun then the video resumes focus on the subject.

Ahmaud Arbery was a Linebacker for Brunswick High, he graduated in 2012. He went on to attend South Georgia Technical College and was currently pursuing a career as an electrician, staying in shape, including jogging was a routine part of his life. He would have been 26 years old tomorrow, May 7th.

Probably figured he had a chance to of taking the shotgun away from 34 year old, chunky looking Travis McMichael.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by smarquez

Why didn't those dumbasses follow at a discreet distance and advise the cops on what was happening? This is just blatant stupidity or even something new, premeditated stupidity.

Why would you wait for the cops? So you can get ignored while the alleged perp runs away? Do you think the cops would even bother to respond?

Oh I don’t know.... Let’s see now.... Maybe so that you don't initiate Contact and end up having to kill the dude, in which case you’re the one that’s going to end up in prison for a long time? I mean that’s just one reason off the top of my head. FFS...

If what’s been said so far about what went down turns out to be true, those idiots better start practicing soap retention techniques now.

Looked to me like the negro needed some lead shot...and he received it.

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by smarquez

Why didn't those dumbasses follow at a discreet distance and advise the cops on what was happening? This is just blatant stupidity or even something new, premeditated stupidity.

Why would you wait for the cops? So you can get ignored while the alleged perp runs away? Do you think the cops would even bother to respond?

Oh I don’t know.... Let’s see now.... Maybe so that you don't initiate Contact and end up having to kill the dude, in which case you’re the one that’s going to end up in prison for a long time? I mean that’s just one reason off the top of my head. FFS...

If what’s been said so far about what went down turns out to be true, those idiots better start practicing soap retention techniques now.

So, let me get this straight. You catch a guy burglarizing a place, so you just let him go?
I put a gun on him and tell him if he moves before the cops get here they're going to need a hearse.

He was jogging down the street minding his own business, if he were guilty of anything he would have run the other way Instead he tried to run around the pickup to continue jogging until he got into the scuffle with the phugging Redneck .

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by smarquez

Why didn't those dumbasses follow at a discreet distance and advise the cops on what was happening? This is just blatant stupidity or even something new, premeditated stupidity.

Why would you wait for the cops? So you can get ignored while the alleged perp runs away? Do you think the cops would even bother to respond?

Oh I don’t know.... Let’s see now.... Maybe so that you don't initiate Contact and end up having to kill the dude, in which case you’re the one that’s going to end up in prison for a long time? I mean that’s just one reason off the top of my head. FFS...

If what’s been said so far about what went down turns out to be true, those idiots better start practicing soap retention techniques now.

So, let me get this straight. You catch a guy burglarizing a place, so you just let him go?
I put a gun on him and tell him if he moves before the cops get here they're going to need a hearse.

First of all they didn't catch this guy doing anything, you cannot do a citizens arrest if they did.

Just another reason to not take up jogging.
Bad for the health

Bad deal, no winners in this one.

Bb

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by smarquez

Why didn't those dumbasses follow at a discreet distance and advise the cops on what was happening? This is just blatant stupidity or even something new, premeditated stupidity.

Why would you wait for the cops? So you can get ignored while the alleged perp runs away? Do you think the cops would even bother to respond?

Oh I don’t know.... Let’s see now.... Maybe so that you don't initiate Contact and end up having to kill the dude, in which case you’re the one that’s going to end up in prison for a long time? I mean that’s just one reason off the top of my head. FFS...

If what’s been said so far about what went down turns out to be true, those idiots better start practicing soap retention techniques now.

So, let me get this straight. You catch a guy burglarizing a place, so you just let him go?
I put a gun on him and tell him if he moves before the cops get here they're going to need a hearse.

Put everything you own of value in someone else’s name, right now, and have your layer on speed dial.

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Looked to me like the negro needed some lead shot...and he received it.

"Negro"? Another [bleep] racist on the 'Fire. Just what we need.

That's just bad all the way around. If they didn't catch him in the act, and according to their statements it sounds as if they didn't, those boys are gonna spend some serious prison time and rightly so. There's likely far more to this than what has been exposed and reported so far. The deceased sure didn't look to be dressed for jogging, nor for daytime burglarizing.

The deceased looks just like he could have been Obama's son.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Put everything you own of value in someone else’s name, right now, and have your layer on speed dial.

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Looked to me like the negro needed some lead shot...and he received it.

"Negro"? Another [bleep] racist on the 'Fire. Just what we need.

Now 'negro' is rasis ???

Come on, we all know what he meant. He'd piss his pants if he had to call a black guy that to his face.

Originally Posted by ol_mike

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Looked to me like the negro needed some lead shot...and he received it.

"Negro"? Another [bleep] racist on the 'Fire. Just what we need.

Now 'negro' is rasis ???

Only for the last 30 or 40 years.

What about those folks at the United Negro College Fund?

Originally Posted by hookeye

What about those folks at the United Negro College Fund?

They did a name change 12 years ago:

https://diverseeducation.com/article/10514/

Some of you are the problem with America.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by smarquez

Why didn't those dumbasses follow at a discreet distance and advise the cops on what was happening? This is just blatant stupidity or even something new, premeditated stupidity.

Why would you wait for the cops? So you can get ignored while the alleged perp runs away? Do you think the cops would even bother to respond?

Oh I don’t know.... Let’s see now.... Maybe so that you don't initiate Contact and end up having to kill the dude, in which case you’re the one that’s going to end up in prison for a long time? I mean that’s just one reason off the top of my head. FFS...

If what’s been said so far about what went down turns out to be true, those idiots better start practicing soap retention techniques now.

So, let me get this straight. You catch a guy burglarizing a place, so you just let him go?
I put a gun on him and tell him if he moves before the cops get here they're going to need a hearse.

Put everything you own of value in someone else’s name, right now, and have your layer on speed dial.

Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to respond. Somehow I don’t think this guy will get what we’re saying though. Birdwatcher’s advice is good. He’d better heed because something tells me he’s gonna eventually wish he’d had if he doesn’t.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by smarquez

Why didn't those dumbasses follow at a discreet distance and advise the cops on what was happening? This is just blatant stupidity or even something new, premeditated stupidity.

Why would you wait for the cops? So you can get ignored while the alleged perp runs away? Do you think the cops would even bother to respond?

Oh I don’t know.... Let’s see now.... Maybe so that you don't initiate Contact and end up having to kill the dude, in which case you’re the one that’s going to end up in prison for a long time? I mean that’s just one reason off the top of my head. FFS...

If what’s been said so far about what went down turns out to be true, those idiots better start practicing soap retention techniques now.

So, let me get this straight. You catch a guy burglarizing a place, so you just let him go?
I put a gun on him and tell him if he moves before the cops get here they're going to need a hearse.

So can you post a link to where it says they caught the guy burglarizing anything?

Originally Posted by 19352012

Some of you are the problem with America.

Couldn't agree more. The criminal negroid element has destroyed every city in America. Don't like it? I don't give a flying fugg..

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by ol_mike

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Looked to me like the negro needed some lead shot...and he received it.

"Negro"? Another [bleep] racist on the 'Fire. Just what we need.

Now 'negro' is rasis ???

Only for the last 30 or 40 years.

It's Latin for black. That's it. Spanish speakers use it as a matter of course for black folks.

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Originally Posted by 19352012

Some of you are the problem with America.

Couldn't agree more. The criminal negroid element has destroyed every city in America. Don't like it? I don't give a flying fugg..

Don't forget the political element. It's done more than it's fair share of destruction in a pile of medium to large cities.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by ol_mike

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Looked to me like the negro needed some lead shot...and he received it.

"Negro"? Another [bleep] racist on the 'Fire. Just what we need.

Now 'negro' is rasis ???

Only for the last 30 or 40 years.

It's Latin for black. That's it. Spanish speakers use it as a matter of course for black folks.

It means a whole lot more than that.

Originally Posted by smarquez

Why didn't those dumbasses follow at a discreet distance and advise the cops on what was happening? This is just blatant stupidity or even something new, premeditated stupidity.

Makes one question what type of cop Gregory J.
was before he retired.

Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter

Originally Posted by Tyrone

So, let me get this straight. You catch a guy burglarizing a place, so you just let him go?...

First of all they didn't catch this guy doing anything,.. .

Tyrone struggles with many things.

Originally Posted by akasparky

They got close enough to Arbery at one point in the chase to tell him to stop
but he avoided them and continued running,...

So he just ignored them and kept jogging on his merry way.
No way you can let the man get away with that kind of defiance.

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Originally Posted by 19352012

Some of you are the problem with America.

Couldn't agree more. The criminal negroid element has destroyed every city in America. Don't like it? I don't give a flying fugg..

That may be your reality but it's not mine.
I understand the picture you paint, but it's more regional than some might think.

I'm in a economically depressed rural coastal county.

There are nice Lake Front, River Front, and Gulf Front communities all surrounded by the most redneck white trash trailer communities ones ever seen.

90% of our crime is committed by toothless whites strung out on meth and pain pills that never have jobs.
Big fat white baby mommas abound, I'd swear it's the local Walmarts here where all the white folks in those crazy "people of Walmart" photos are taken.

There is no industry other than some mild tourism, just basic service work is about all there is.
Only reason it attracts and holds all these low class white trash types is the cheap inland real estate in scrub oak woods where trailer houses can be rented for chump change.

It's the perfect environment for your friendly neighborhood meth lab.

So that being said, I have a hard time putting color to the issue.

The blacks that live around here by quite a ways surpasses the white trash for life styles and life choices..
In the rural areas of many states much the same can be found, what we have here is not unique.

Believe it or not low life's come in all colors, just scroll through the last three mugshot listings from where I am...

Mugshots May 6, 2020

Mugshots May 4, 2020

Mugshots May 1, 2020

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Originally Posted by 19352012

Some of you are the problem with America.

Couldn't agree more. The criminal negroid element has destroyed every city in America. Don't like it? I don't give a flying fugg..

That may be your reality but it's not mine.
I understand the picture you paint, but it's more regional than some might think.

I'm in a economically depressed rural coastal county.

There are nice Lake Front, River Front, and Gulf Front communities all surrounded by the most redneck white trash trailer communities ones ever seen.

90% of our crime is committed by toothless whites strung out on meth and pain pills that never have jobs.
Big fat white baby mommas abound, I'd swear it's the local Walmarts here where all the white folks in those crazy "people of Walmart" photos are taken.

There is no industry other than some mild tourism, just basic service work is about all there is.
Only reason it attracts and holds all these low class white trash types is the cheap inland real estate in scrub oak woods where trailer houses can be rented for chump change.

It's the perfect environment for your friendly neighborhood meth lab.

So that being said, I have a hard time putting color to the issue.

The blacks that live around here by quite a ways surpasses the white trash for life styles and life choices..
In the rural areas of many states much the same can be found, what we have here is not unique.

Believe it or not low life's come in all colors, just scroll through the last three mugshot listings from where I am...

Mugshots May 6, 2020

Mugshots May 4, 2020

Mugshots May 1, 2020

Just scrolled through those mug shots. LMFAO,

Holy SCHITT, Dude, you really need to move out of that neighborhood...

[Linked Image from media.giphy.com]

They gonna call you an apologist.....

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by smarquez

Why didn't those dumbasses follow at a discreet distance and advise the cops on what was happening? This is just blatant stupidity or even something new, premeditated stupidity.

Makes one question what type of cop Gregory J.
was before he retired.

Prior to his retirement Gregory McMichael was an investigator for the office of Brunswick Judicial Circuit.
His connection there have probably helped keep him and his son walking free...

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Originally Posted by 19352012

Some of you are the problem with America.

Couldn't agree more. The criminal negroid element has destroyed every city in America. Don't like it? I don't give a flying fugg..

That may be your reality but it's not mine.
I understand the picture you paint, but it's more regional than some might think.

I'm in a economically depressed rural coastal county.

There are nice Lake Front, River Front, and Gulf Front communities all surrounded by the most redneck white trash trailer communities ones ever seen.

90% of our crime is committed by toothless whites strung out on meth and pain pills that never have jobs.
Big fat white baby mommas abound, I'd swear it's the local Walmarts here where all the white folks in those crazy "people of Walmart" photos are taken.

There is no industry other than some mild tourism, just basic service work is about all there is.
Only reason it attracts and holds all these low class white trash types is the cheap inland real estate in scrub oak woods where trailer houses can be rented for chump change.

It's the perfect environment for your friendly neighborhood meth lab.

So that being said, I have a hard time putting color to the issue.

The blacks that live around here by quite a ways surpasses the white trash for life styles and life choices..
In the rural areas of many states much the same can be found, what we have here is not unique.

Believe it or not low life's come in all colors, just scroll through the last three mugshot listings from where I am...

Mugshots May 6, 2020

Mugshots May 4, 2020

Mugshots May 1, 2020

Citrus County, Florida is 93% Caucasian.

The reason no blacks are committing crimes there is because there's no blacks there.

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Looked to me like the negro needed some lead shot...and he received it.

"Negro"? Another [bleep] racist on the 'Fire. Just what we need.

Salmon, Idaho,...92% Caucasian.

.4% black.

Somebody else who learned everything he knows about blacks by watching Urkel on TV when he was a kid.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Lol... innocent?.... what they did makes law abiding gun owners look horrible. They were chasing someone down a public street... self defense? They placed themselves in that situation. If it was in their house, maybe even their yard.... so be it, however they were running someone down and they arent officers of the law.

They are done for, and rightfully so. This is 100x’s worse than the guy in the Tampa Bay area shooting the guys boyfriend over the handicap space.

Was the dead guy innocent, I dont know..... is the shooter innocent, no, not in the least.

This^^^^^^

They should have called the police and maybe followed the guy until they cops found him. And if he got away? So what. There’s always another day.

Originally Posted by ol_mike

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Looked to me like the negro needed some lead shot...and he received it.

"Negro"? Another [bleep] racist on the 'Fire. Just what we need.

Now 'negro' is rasis ???

If so I guess the United Negro College Fund could cause liberal angst.

Much less the NAACP. "colored people"
whatever guys.

Originally Posted by kid0917

Originally Posted by ol_mike

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Looked to me like the negro needed some lead shot...and he received it.

"Negro"? Another [bleep] racist on the 'Fire. Just what we need.

Now 'negro' is rasis ???

If so I guess the United Negro College Fund could cause liberal angst.

Much less the NAACP. "colored people"
whatever guys.

The UNCF changed it's name.

And NAACP has been the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People since 1910.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

The UNCF changed it's name.

And NAACP has been the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People since 1910.

Racist organizations whatever they're called.

UNCF changed it's "name" to just letters.
fine with me.

I am ashamed of the responses on this forum. Things could change but so far this is just a vigilante killin. I pray for the families comfort. The MSM will take off with this and disregard other killings that are BOW and as usual sensationalize the WOB killings.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Originally Posted by 19352012

Some of you are the problem with America.

Couldn't agree more. The criminal negroid element has destroyed every city in America. Don't like it? I don't give a flying fugg..

That may be your reality but it's not mine.
I understand the picture you paint, but it's more regional than some might think.

I'm in a economically depressed rural coastal county.

There are nice Lake Front, River Front, and Gulf Front communities all surrounded by the most redneck white trash trailer communities ones ever seen.

90% of our crime is committed by toothless whites strung out on meth and pain pills that never have jobs.
Big fat white baby mommas abound, I'd swear it's the local Walmarts here where all the white folks in those crazy "people of Walmart" photos are taken.

There is no industry other than some mild tourism, just basic service work is about all there is.
Only reason it attracts and holds all these low class white trash types is the cheap inland real estate in scrub oak woods where trailer houses can be rented for chump change.

It's the perfect environment for your friendly neighborhood meth lab.

So that being said, I have a hard time putting color to the issue.

The blacks that live around here by quite a ways surpasses the white trash for life styles and life choices..
In the rural areas of many states much the same can be found, what we have here is not unique.

Believe it or not low life's come in all colors, just scroll through the last three mugshot listings from where I am...

Mugshots May 6, 2020

Mugshots May 4, 2020

Mugshots May 1, 2020

Citrus County, Florida is 93% Caucasian.

The reason no blacks are committing crimes there is because there's no blacks there.

Yes, but there are just whites that do the job for the missing blacks, they keep the dirt bag void filled.
That was the point....it's regional.

Originally Posted by CWT

I am ashamed of the responses on this forum.

Go jogging on the south side of Chicago until you get over it.

Originally Posted by JeffA

Yes, but there are just whites that do the job for the missing blacks, they keep the dirt bag void filled.
That was the point....it's regional.

Name a predominantly black city.

Name a predominantly white city with a comparable population.

I'll tell you what the crime rates of each are.

Let's hear 'em.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by CWT

I am ashamed of the responses on this forum.

Go jogging on the south side of Chicago until you get over it.

lol
That reminds me of pulling off the interstate on the wrong side of St. Louis at 3 AM to ask for some directions...

Didn't turn out to be a good idea at all......

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

It means a whole lot more than that.

Really? Why did the United Negro College Fund call itself an insulting name, then?

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by JeffA

Yes, but there are just whites that do the job for the missing blacks, they keep the dirt bag void filled.
That was the point....it's regional.

Name a predominantly black city.

Name a predominantly white city with a comparable population.

I'll tell you what the crime rates of each are.

Let's hear 'em.

Find somebody else to play with....I'm not your type....

Here's a couple.

Boise, Idaho

Population 226,000. 82% white. 14 murders between 2014 and 2018.

Jackson, Mississippi.

Population 166,000. 82% black. 78 murders in 2018 alone.

The rate of crime in predominantly white cities isn't even in the same cosmos as the rate of crime in predominantly black cities.

It's not regional.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

It means a whole lot more than that.

Really? Why did the United Negro College Fund call itself an insulting name, then?

Language is mutable. Word usage and meanings change.

As I've already point out, they changed their name.

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Starman

Makes one question what type of cop Gregory J.
was before he retired.

Prior to his retirement Gregory McMichael was an investigator for the office of Brunswick Judicial Circuit.
His connection there have probably helped keep him and his son walking free...

Gregory J. was also a former Glynn County LEO.

but by 'type' I was really meaning what quality.
with all the LE nepotism, he probably got away
w/ a lot of incompetent action schitt in his career.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Here's a couple.

Boise, Idaho

Population 226,000. 82% white. 14 murders between 2014 and 2018.

Jackson, Mississippi.

Population 166,000. 82% black. 78 murders in 2018 alone.

Which is why that guy needed to be shot?

Originally Posted by akasparky

Once again two innocent white men are going to get dragged through the courts for doing nothing other that attempting to make a citizens arrest of a running black man.

You're not allowed to make citizen's arrests of random citizens who are out for a spring jog. I'm sure you would be alright with two shotgun-wielding black men pulling up in a truck and trying to make a citizen's arrest of YOU!

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by CWT

I am ashamed of the responses on this forum.

Go jogging on the south side of Chicago until you get over it.

Or North Minneapolis. I fuggin lived there, I dare any whitey to take a jog in the hood there...and then get back to me.

The bass player in my band got stomped to death by two of these fine African Americans. Stomped to death! I'm way past tolerating snowflake bullshit on race from someone from fuggin Rural Utah.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Here's a couple.

Boise, Idaho

Population 226,000. 82% white. 14 murders between 2014 and 2018.

Jackson, Mississippi.

Population 166,000. 82% black. 78 murders in 2018 alone.

Which is why that guy needed to be shot?

I wasn't there. I don't know.

I know what the "news" says.

I also know that it lies like a rug.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Here's a couple.

Boise, Idaho

Population 226,000. 82% white. 14 murders between 2014 and 2018.

Jackson, Mississippi.

Population 166,000. 82% black. 78 murders in 2018 alone.

That’s not the issue and no sane person would question those statistics.

It’s about assigning responsibility for a crime committed. I don’t give a [bleep] what color the perp is. If he committed a crime he should pay for it regardless of his color or the color of his victim. Doesn’t matter one fug what race commits more crimes against the other. That has no bearing on this particular case. Each crime is an individual incident, and if they did it they should hang. Period.

Funny how a very common name used by many on this site for black criminals is Dindunuffins. The implication being that they (the blacks) never take responsibility for their crimes. So much for holding oneself to a higher standard.

I’ve always been disgusted by the OJ Simpson trial. Could never understand how in the hell the jury could let that POS walk, and live with themselves afterwards.

Some of the schitt I’m reading here makes me really wonder if some of these guys wouldn’t do similar if the situation were reversed.

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Here's a couple.

Boise, Idaho

Population 226,000. 82% white. 14 murders between 2014 and 2018.

Jackson, Mississippi.

Population 166,000. 82% black. 78 murders in 2018 alone.

That’s not the issue and no sane person would question those statistics.

It’s about assigning responsibility for a crime committed. I don’t give a [bleep] what color the perp is. If he committed a crime he should pay for it regardless of his color or the color of his victim. Doesn’t matter one fug what race commits more crimes against the other. That has no bearing on this particular case. Each crime is an individual incident, and if they did it they should hang. Period.

Funny how a very common name used by many on this site for black criminals is Dindunuffins. The implication being that they (the blacks) never take responsibility for their crimes. So much for holding oneself to a higher standard.

I’ve always been disgusted by the OJ Simpson trial. Could never understand how in the hell the jury could let that POS walk, and live with themselves afterwards.

Some of the schitt I’m reading here makes me really wonder if some of these guys wouldn’t do similar if the situation were reversed.

Where did you get your information on the subject?

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Here's a couple.

Boise, Idaho

Population 226,000. 82% white. 14 murders between 2014 and 2018.

Jackson, Mississippi.

Population 166,000. 82% black. 78 murders in 2018 alone.

That’s not the issue and no sane person would question those statistics.

It’s about assigning responsibility for a crime committed. I don’t give a [bleep] what color the perp is. If he committed a crime he should pay for it regardless of his color or the color of his victim. Doesn’t matter one fug what race commits more crimes against the other. That has no bearing on this particular case. Each crime is an individual incident, and if they did it they should hang. Period.

Funny how a very common name used by many on this site for black criminals is Dindunuffins. The implication being that they (the blacks) never take responsibility for their crimes. So much for holding oneself to a higher standard.

I’ve always been disgusted by the OJ Simpson trial. Could never understand how in the hell the jury could let that POS walk, and live with themselves afterwards.

Some of the schitt I’m reading here makes me really wonder if some of these guys wouldn’t do similar if the situation were reversed.

Where did you get your information on the subject?

On what subject? My opinion that people should pay for their crimes if guilty regardless of their race? Because that’s all I said. . .

Father and son charged with murder of unarmed black man.

https://apple.news/AebXa-z9-Tc6tQO0wVeDVYg

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The rate of crime in predominantly white cities isn't even in the same cosmos as the rate of crime in predominantly black cities.

It's not regional.

Well, looks like the stats in Brunswick GA just went up for homicide, and it was via a white redneck... so.... uummm..... yeah.....

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The rate of crime in predominantly white cities isn't even in the same cosmos as the rate of crime in predominantly black cities.

It's not regional.

Well, looks like the stats in Brunswick GA just went up for homicide, and it was via a white redneck... so.... uummm..... yeah.....

And you know this how?

Here's another perspective:

https://www.amren.com/commentary/2020/05/ahmaud-arbery-the-next-trayvon-martin/

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The rate of crime in predominantly white cities isn't even in the same cosmos as the rate of crime in predominantly black cities.

It's not regional.

Well, looks like the stats in Brunswick GA just went up for homicide, and it was via a white redneck... so.... uummm..... yeah.....

And you know this how?

They arrested the father and son on murder charges...

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The rate of crime in predominantly white cities isn't even in the same cosmos as the rate of crime in predominantly black cities.

It's not regional.

Well, looks like the stats in Brunswick GA just went up for homicide, and it was via a white redneck... so.... uummm..... yeah.....

And you know this how?

They arrested the father and son on murder charges...

Oh wow, thanks for letting me know. When did the jury find them guilty? Do you have a link to the trial?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The rate of crime in predominantly white cities isn't even in the same cosmos as the rate of crime in predominantly black cities.

It's not regional.

Well, looks like the stats in Brunswick GA just went up for homicide, and it was via a white redneck... so.... uummm..... yeah.....

And you know this how?

They arrested the father and son on murder charges...

You have no fugging clue how the legal system works in this country do you?

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Here's another perspective:

https://www.amren.com/commentary/2020/05/ahmaud-arbery-the-next-trayvon-martin/

Lmao.... really... go figure, a white supremacist website.

Go beat off to photos of your mom again.

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The rate of crime in predominantly white cities isn't even in the same cosmos as the rate of crime in predominantly black cities.

It's not regional.

Well, looks like the stats in Brunswick GA just went up for homicide, and it was via a white redneck... so.... uummm..... yeah.....

And you know this how?

They arrested the father and son on murder charges...

You have no fugging clue how the legal system works in this country do you?

Hey dipshit... tongue and cheek?..... i was pointing out to one of our resident white supremacist that hes pointing out black crime statistics on a thread, where there is a plain as day video of two white guys shooting an unarmed black guy.

You don't know schit about what happened. Nice try though Tyrone.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The rate of crime in predominantly white cities isn't even in the same cosmos as the rate of crime in predominantly black cities.

It's not regional.

Well, looks like the stats in Brunswick GA just went up for homicide, and it was via a white redneck... so.... uummm..... yeah.....

And you know this how?

They arrested the father and son on murder charges...

You have no fugging clue how the legal system works in this country do you?

Hey dipshit... tongue and cheek?..... i was pointing out to one of our resident white supremacist that hes pointing out black crime statistics on a thread, where there is a plain as day video of two white guys shooting an unarmed black guy.

Hey mouth breather, who the fck are you! Sherlock Holmes? Perry Mason? Maybe Colombo and Kreskin combined? I’ve been in law enforcement for twenty three years and I can’t tell [bleep] from looking at that video because there’s not enough background information to paint a picture of exactly who, what, where, when, how and why it happened. That’s why have professional investigators and investigations. If you can do all that from a watching a few seconds of video maybe you should be running the justice Dept.

Fuggin asswipe...

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The rate of crime in predominantly white cities isn't even in the same cosmos as the rate of crime in predominantly black cities.

It's not regional.

Well, looks like the stats in Brunswick GA just went up for homicide, and it was via a white redneck... so.... uummm..... yeah.....

And you know this how?

They arrested the father and son on murder charges...

You have no fugging clue how the legal system works in this country do you?

Hey dipshit... tongue and cheek?..... i was pointing out to one of our resident white supremacist that hes pointing out black crime statistics on a thread, where there is a plain as day video of two white guys shooting an unarmed black guy.

More like tongue in your ass....

Most city blacks are negros and most country blacks are good folks. I grew up in West Palm Beach, Fl when they started bussing the negros to our school from predominantly black schools. The negros didn't want to be there and we didn’t want them there. I learned to get along with them through playing sports, but I still don't have any use for city negros. My black neighbors are way better than my deadbeat, free loading white trash neighbors. A lot of y'all don't know what your talking about when it comes to negros and blacks.

Originally Posted by Goosey

Originally Posted by akasparky

Once again two innocent white men are going to get dragged through the courts for doing nothing other that attempting to make a citizens arrest of a running black man.

You're not allowed to make citizen's arrests of random citizens who are out for a spring jog. I'm sure you would be alright with two shotgun-wielding black men pulling up in a truck and trying to make a citizen's arrest of YOU!

Look darling, I was just being factious with subject and opening post to attract as many of like as well as opposing posters as possible.
I just wanted to divert the attention from the flu topic for a day anyway.
It worked fairly well, 150+ replies with 3600+ views in a days time and still chuggin' along.

Myself, I don't really care about the two white shooters or the running negro. That schit happens every day, if it's not B on W it's W on B and true justice is seldom served.

Just nice to know you can always instigate race fight here on the fire to keep people busy.....

Now move along my little queen......thanks for stopping by.

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The rate of crime in predominantly white cities isn't even in the same cosmos as the rate of crime in predominantly black cities.

It's not regional.

Well, looks like the stats in Brunswick GA just went up for homicide, and it was via a white redneck... so.... uummm..... yeah.....

And you know this how?

They arrested the father and son on murder charges...

You have no fugging clue how the legal system works in this country do you?

Hey dipshit... tongue and cheek?..... i was pointing out to one of our resident white supremacist that hes pointing out black crime statistics on a thread, where there is a plain as day video of two white guys shooting an unarmed black guy.

Hey mouth breather, who the fck are you! Sherlock Holmes? Perry Mason? Maybe Colombo and Kreskin combined? I’ve been in law enforcement for twenty three years and I can’t tell [bleep] from looking at that video because there’s not enough background information to paint a picture of exactly who, what, where, when, how and why it happened. That’s why have professional investigators and investigations. If you can do all that from a watching a few seconds of video maybe you should be running the justice Dept.

Fuggin asswipe...

If you cant tell [bleep] from that tape, probably in the wrong profession....

“ License and registration! CHICKEN-[bleep]!! BAAAAKAAA!”

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

It means a whole lot more than that.

Really? Why did the United Negro College Fund call itself an insulting name, then?

Language is mutable. Word usage and meanings change.

As I've already point out, they changed their name.

Because they chose to politicize negro.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The rate of crime in predominantly white cities isn't even in the same cosmos as the rate of crime in predominantly black cities.

It's not regional.

Well, looks like the stats in Brunswick GA just went up for homicide, and it was via a white redneck... so.... uummm..... yeah.....

And you know this how?

They arrested the father and son on murder charges...

You have no fugging clue how the legal system works in this country do you?

Hey dipshit... tongue and cheek?..... i was pointing out to one of our resident white supremacist that hes pointing out black crime statistics on a thread, where there is a plain as day video of two white guys shooting an unarmed black guy.

Hey mouth breather, who the fck are you! Sherlock Holmes? Perry Mason? Maybe Colombo and Kreskin combined? I’ve been in law enforcement for twenty three years and I can’t tell [bleep] from looking at that video because there’s not enough background information to paint a picture of exactly who, what, where, when, how and why it happened. That’s why have professional investigators and investigations. If you can do all that from a watching a few seconds of video maybe you should be running the justice Dept.

Fuggin asswipe...

If you cant tell [bleep] from that tape, probably in the wrong profession....

“ License and registration! CHICKEN-[bleep]!! BAAAAKAAA!”

LMFAO. The problem with ignorant dumbasses is they don’t even know they are ignorant dumbasses. Another one for the ignore list...

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by JeffA

Yes, but there are just whites that do the job for the missing blacks, they keep the dirt bag void filled.
That was the point....it's regional.

Name a predominantly black city.

Name a predominantly white city with a comparable population.

I'll tell you what the crime rates of each are.

Let's hear 'em.

Natchez Mississippi and Sheridan, Wyoming

The Georgia D.A. cited these Georgia Statutes

OCGA17-4-60 A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape ,a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

O.C.G.A. 16-11-126 (2010)
16-11-126. Possession and carrying a concealed weapon; penalty for violating licensing requirement

(a) Any person who is not prohibited by law from possessing a handgun or long gun may have or carry on his or her person a weapon or long gun on his or her property or inside his or her home, motor vehicle, or place of business without a valid weapons carry license.

(b) Any person who is not prohibited by law from possessing a handgun or long gun may have or carry on his or her person a long gun without a valid weapons carry license, provided that if the long gun is loaded, it shall only be carried in an open and fully exposed manner.

O.C.G.A. 16-3-23.1 (2010)
16-3-23.1. No duty to retreat prior to use of force in self-defense

A person who uses threats or force in accordance with Code Section 16-3-21, relating to the use of force in defense of self or others, Code Section 16-3-23, relating to the use of force in defense of a habitation, or Code Section 16-3-24, relating to the use of force in defense of property other than a habitation, has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and use force as provided in said Code sections, including deadly force.

OCGA16-3-24.2 A person properly and legally defending themselves is immune from prosecution

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...9cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

Father and son arrested, charged.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...jogger-Ahmaud-Arbery-charged-MURDER.html

It might be that father and son and the 3rd party were trying to detain the jogger by holding him at gunpoint if necessary. They probably were far out of line doing this but may have not had any intent to kill him. When the jogger attacked his assailant and grabbed the gun I would imagine at that time the man holding the gun became quite fearful the firearm would be wrested from him and turned against him. The white man had put himself in a terrible position and might very well have felt he was faced with the life threatening situation of being shot with his own gun. Who knows what they were thinking. I can understand the black jogger's fear when confronted by a gun wielding stranger. He would have understood that he couldn't outrun a load of shot. His attempt to disarm may have seemed his only option. And the gun wielder may have thought his only hope was to do whatever it took to maintain possession of the weapon. The white folks involved used terrible judgement but it is highly possible they had no intent to kill anyone. If the black man was truly innocent of any criminal doings he likely thought his only hope was to obtain a weapon and went for the nearest one available.

Joggers can't outrun the combination of a pickup and shotgun blast.

They came for him a second time..and could still persue him further. .
For all the victim knows they could have finally resorted to running
him down with the truck or shot him in the back.
How can he know what's in their minds?

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Here's another perspective:

https://www.amren.com/commentary/2020/05/ahmaud-arbery-the-next-trayvon-martin/

Good article, the dead guy’s prior arrests for a minor shoplifting incident and getting caught with a gun in high school hardly qualify him as a stone cold thug tho.

Sounds to me more like a kid who was steered away from thuggism by the coaching staff at his high school. Happens all the time.

Originally Posted by MontanaMarine

Father and son arrested, charged.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...jogger-Ahmaud-Arbery-charged-MURDER.html

That don't mean much.

Six years after retired Tampa police captain Curtis Reeves Jr. gunned down Chad Oulson they are still debating a court date.

Reeves shot Oulson over the use of a cell phone during movie previews at the Cobb Grove 16 cinemas in Wesley Chapel, FL. Popcorn flew, Reeves drew a handgun and shot Oulson in the chest as he sat in the theater with his wife and child.

The retired Tampa police captain was charged with second-degree murder in 2014 yet has been free on $150,000 bail ever since.

Reeves, now 77 is obviously being allowed to live out his retirement by the courts.

Cops don't pay no price for their actions, they have Nazi like immunity, this is why cops do such stupid schit, they know they will get by with it...fu_ck cops......

If the scary black man was a horrible as you racist pricks here fear him to be, people like George Zimmerman wouldn't still be sucking air today.....fu_ck racist....

And speaking of fu_ckin' racist, If that booze saturated Kentucky hillbilly Bristoe was to ever get near my pond I'd make a artificial reef outta his lard azz and his mobility scooter.......

Have a great weekend all!!!

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by MontanaMarine

Father and son arrested, charged.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...jogger-Ahmaud-Arbery-charged-MURDER.html

That don't mean much.

Six years after retired Tampa police captain Curtis Reeves Jr. gunned down Chad Oulson they are still debating a court date.

Reeves shot Oulson over the use of a cell phone during movie previews at the Cobb Grove 16 cinemas in Wesley Chapel, FL. Popcorn flew, Reeves drew a handgun and shot Oulson in the chest as he sat in the theater with his wife and child.

The retired Tampa police captain was charged with second-degree murder in 2014 yet has been free on $150,000 bail ever since.

Reeves, now 77 is obviously being allowed to live out his retirement by the courts.

Cops don't pay no price for their actions, they have Nazi like immunity, this is why cops do such stupid schit, they know they will get by with it...fu_ck cops......

If the scary black man was a horrible as you racist pricks here fear him to be, people like George Zimmerman wouldn't still be sucking air today.....fu_ck racist....

And speaking of fu_ckin' racist, If that booze saturated Kentucky hillbilly Bristoe was to ever get near my pond I'd make a artificial reef outta his lard azz and his mobility scooter.......

Have a great weekend all!!!

I don't think bristoe is fat....and its an 8n not a scooter.....other than that good post.....have a good one also...…..bob

Originally Posted by Hastings

It might be that father and son and the 3rd party were trying to detain the jogger by holding him at gunpoint if necessary. They probably were far out of line doing this but may have not had any intent to kill him. When the jogger attacked his assailant and grabbed the gun I would imagine at that time the man holding the gun became quite fearful the firearm would be wrested from him and turned against him. The white man had put himself in a terrible position and might very well have felt he was faced with the life threatening situation of being shot with his own gun. Who knows what they were thinking. I can understand the black jogger's fear when confronted by a gun wielding stranger. He would have understood that he couldn't outrun a load of shot. His attempt to disarm may have seemed his only option. And the gun wielder may have thought his only hope was to do whatever it took to maintain possession of the weapon. The white folks involved used terrible judgement but it is highly possible they had no intent to kill anyone. If the black man was truly innocent of any criminal doings he likely thought his only hope was to obtain a weapon and went for the nearest one available.

This is a good post and more than likely what took place. What would of happened if the black man just kept running instead of fighting back? Anyone that has any self-defense training knows you never give your gun up. This was a tragic event for the white guys and death sentence for the black man. Driving the US of A apart.

I'm sorry, but I'm here to tell you this shooting was completely unjustified and these two morons need to be thrown in jail.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Here's another perspective:

https://www.amren.com/commentary/2020/05/ahmaud-arbery-the-next-trayvon-martin/

Good article, the dead guy’s prior arrests for a minor shoplifting incident and getting caught with a gun in high school hardly qualify him as a stone cold thug tho.

Sounds to me more like a kid who was steered away from thuggism by the coaching staff at his high school. Happens all the time.

If that’s true then it’s a real tragedy and I sincerely hope those two dumbasses get what they deserve.

Quote

Arbery appears to have had a shoplifting conviction and to have brought a gun to a school illegally and resisted arrest, but it’s not clear what Mr. Barnhill meant by “mental health records.”

Not a long listed thug record, but not a choir boy either.

Lots of facts hopefully released soon.

Ain’t biting on the media’s reporting just yet. Too often, truth comes out after the damage is done.

The video really doesn’t show initial contact very well.

Quote

Not a long listed thug record, but not a choir boy either.

Lots of facts hopefully released soon.

Ain’t biting on the media’s reporting just yet. Too often, truth comes out after the damage is done.

The info on his criminal background or lack thereof came from one of Bristoe's White Identity websites....

https://www.amren.com/commentary/2020/05/ahmaud-arbery-the-next-trayvon-martin/

.....who ain't likely to whitewash anything (no pun intended

)

A single shoplifting conviction? ......coulda learned his lesson.

Gun at school? .....teenage guys do all sorts of stupid machismo crap, some also have a legitimate reason to fear for their lives.

The other thing I'm looking at is the reaction from his mom. I don't see her screaming in front of the cameras, looking for a payday, not yet anyhow. That smacks of decent folks.

Sad that I would assume there's no dad in the picture tho....

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by CWT

I am ashamed of the responses on this forum.

Go jogging on the south side of Chicago until you get over it.

lol
That reminds me of pulling off the interstate on the wrong side of St. Louis at 3 AM to ask for some directions...

Didn't turn out to be a good idea at all......

Have you never watched Vacation?

Yeah.....Honkey Lips.

"I'm from the West side of Chicago. Here on vacation."

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Here's another perspective:

https://www.amren.com/commentary/2020/05/ahmaud-arbery-the-next-trayvon-martin/

Good article, the dead guy’s prior arrests for a minor shoplifting incident and getting caught with a gun in high school hardly qualify him as a stone cold thug tho.

Sounds to me more like a kid who was steered away from thuggism by the coaching staff at his high school. Happens all the time.

If that’s true then it’s a real tragedy and I sincerely hope those two dumbasses get what they deserve.

Do you know how the justice system works? Lmao...

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I still don't know any facts of this case.

Everybody is jumping on this bandwagon.

Already seeing “5k Ahmaud Albery” runs set up to honor the fine young man. People falling all over themselves to show how in tune they are with the cause and strife of po black folks.

Will be interesting to see how it turns out.

Originally Posted by jorgeI

I'm sorry, but I'm here to tell you this shooting was completely unjustified and these two morons need to be thrown in jail.

Unjustified? It's not against the law to get out of your vehicle carrying a gun. We don't what was said and whether the gun was pointed at the the man when the man charged the dummy with the gun. To me it looked like the gun was pointed up when the black man first grabbed the barrel. You definitely have the right to defend yourself, and both parties were trying to do this once things started escalating. This is just another senseless killing that both parties contributed to, but more so by the white guys because they were profiling.

Funny thing is these 2 bubbas are interchangeable with 95% of the hillbillies on the fire. Hopefully they fry.

Originally Posted by callnum

Funny thing is these 2 bubbas are interchangeable with 95% of the hillbillies on the fire.

Most of the hillbillies on the 'Fire are calling this a homicide.

Originally Posted by Hastings

It might be that father and son and the 3rd party were trying to detain the jogger by holding him at gunpoint if necessary. They probably were far out of line doing this but may have not had any intent to kill him. When the jogger attacked his assailant and grabbed the gun I would imagine at that time the man holding the gun became quite fearful the firearm would be wrested from him and turned against him. The white man had put himself in a terrible position and might very well have felt he was faced with the life threatening situation of being shot with his own gun. Who knows what they were thinking. I can understand the black jogger's fear when confronted by a gun wielding stranger. He would have understood that he couldn't outrun a load of shot. His attempt to disarm may have seemed his only option. And the gun wielder may have thought his only hope was to do whatever it took to maintain possession of the weapon. The white folks involved used terrible judgement but it is highly possible they had no intent to kill anyone. If the black man was truly innocent of any criminal doings he likely thought his only hope was to obtain a weapon and went for the nearest one available.

Good analysis, and the one I have adopted as well. This would be a case of what's called "an imperfect defense of self-defense." When one is found guilty in that case, they usually get convicted of manslaughter, not murder. Imperfect defenses of self-defense are those that don't fully meet the standard for a perfect claim of self-defense, because the defender didn't come to the situation with completely clean hands, i.e., he was to some degree in the wrong as he appeared on the scene. An example of imperfect self defense would be walking up to someone and maliciously pushing him down, followed by the other party drawing a knife and charging at you, followed by you drawing your gun and shooting him down.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by CWT

I am ashamed of the responses on this forum.

Go jogging on the south side of Chicago until you get over it.

lol
That reminds me of pulling off the interstate on the wrong side of St. Louis at 3 AM to ask for some directions...

Didn't turn out to be a good idea at all......

Have you never watched Vacation?

Oh hell yeah, just not before I decided to pull off the road in St. Louis at 3 AM.
I didn't find the information I was looking for but I made it back to the interstate, with some luck, quick thinking and speed....

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by callnum

Funny thing is these 2 bubbas are interchangeable with 95% of the hillbillies on the fire.

Most of the hillbillies on the 'Fire are calling this a homicide.

Anyone who's not an idiot is calling it a homicide, since the intentional actions of person A brought about the death of person B. That's all that's required for that term to accurately apply. It's either justifiable homicide or not, in which latter case it could be classified in a number of ways, on up to murder one.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Hastings

It might be that father and son and the 3rd party were trying to detain the jogger by holding him at gunpoint if necessary. They probably were far out of line doing this but may have not had any intent to kill him. When the jogger attacked his assailant and grabbed the gun I would imagine at that time the man holding the gun became quite fearful the firearm would be wrested from him and turned against him. The white man had put himself in a terrible position and might very well have felt he was faced with the life threatening situation of being shot with his own gun. Who knows what they were thinking. I can understand the black jogger's fear when confronted by a gun wielding stranger. He would have understood that he couldn't outrun a load of shot. His attempt to disarm may have seemed his only option. And the gun wielder may have thought his only hope was to do whatever it took to maintain possession of the weapon. The white folks involved used terrible judgement but it is highly possible they had no intent to kill anyone. If the black man was truly innocent of any criminal doings he likely thought his only hope was to obtain a weapon and went for the nearest one available.

Good analysis, and the one I have adopted as well. This would be a case of what's called "an imperfect defense of self-defense." When one is found guilty in that case, they usually get convicted of manslaughter, not murder. Imperfect defenses of self-defense are those that don't fully meet the standard for a perfect claim of self-defense, because the defender didn't come to the situation with completely clean hands, i.e., he was to some degree in the wrong as he appeared on the scene. An example of imperfect self defense would walking up to someone and maliciously pushing him down, followed by the other party drawing a knife and charging at you, followed by you drawing your gun and shooting him down.

This is likely a pretty good analysis. At any rate, we should know soon because it’s getting a lot of attention now.

Originally Posted by TrueGrit

Originally Posted by jorgeI

I'm sorry, but I'm here to tell you this shooting was completely unjustified and these two morons need to be thrown in jail.

Unjustified? It's not against the law to get out of your vehicle carrying a gun. We don't what was said and whether the gun was pointed at the the man when the man charged the dummy with the gun. To me it looked like the gun was pointed up when the black man first grabbed the barrel. You definitely have the right to defend yourself, and both parties were trying to do this once things started escalating. This is just another senseless killing that both parties contributed to, but more so by the white guys because they were profiling.

Listen, I live and work here and although I don't have the police report, what gave these two inbreds the right to chase down a man who was OBVIOUSLY out for a jog and stop him? If two douche bags would have pulled the same thing on most folks, you're damned right it should have escalated. But I guess if Gomer Pyle's your idol, then a "citizen's arrest" is a bucket list item. This much I can guarantee you; if the guy would have been white, we would not be having this discussion.

Originally Posted by callnum

Funny thing is these 2 bubbas are interchangeable with 95% of the hillbillies on the fire. Hopefully they fry.

Idunno about that, most the guys here are has been old farts that just talk big when they are safely in their homes sitting at a keyboard, Doubtful many would have the balls to confront a real black man... That's just a bridge too far..

Originally Posted by jorgeI

Originally Posted by TrueGrit

Originally Posted by jorgeI

I'm sorry, but I'm here to tell you this shooting was completely unjustified and these two morons need to be thrown in jail.

Unjustified? It's not against the law to get out of your vehicle carrying a gun. We don't what was said and whether the gun was pointed at the the man when the man charged the dummy with the gun. To me it looked like the gun was pointed up when the black man first grabbed the barrel. You definitely have the right to defend yourself, and both parties were trying to do this once things started escalating. This is just another senseless killing that both parties contributed to, but more so by the white guys because they were profiling.

Listen, I live and work here and although I don't have the police report,

Now ya do...it's posted in the thread a ways back....

Quote

The full police report can be viewed at https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6915-arbery-shooting/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf (it don't exactly match the video but pretty close)

There is some more here...
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...9cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

I'm waiting for the national news to be saturated with reports of these killings.

https://wgntv.com/news/5-killed-28-wounded-in-weekend-shootings/

I don't recall any reports of the following on the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/national-...k-male-in-killing-spree-in-east-alabama/

This one either.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/her-name-...trump-bucks-coronavirus-stimulus-checks/

,..didn't hear anything about this on the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/his-name-...to-stop-them-from-breaking-into-his-car/

Anybody hear about this on the national news?

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/his-name-...males-murder-17-year-old-white-teenager/

Originally Posted by Bristoe

I'm waiting for the national news to be saturated with reports of these killings.

https://wgntv.com/news/5-killed-28-wounded-in-weekend-shootings/

You know as well as I do that’s not gonna happen other than to frame it in such a way as to show how many people those evil guns killed. .

No reports of this on the national news as far as I can tell.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/his-name-...-of-whom-on-parole-for-prior-gun-charge/

This Army veteran didn't survive his return to America,....didn't make the national news,...

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/his-name-...f-duty-in-afghanistan-but-not-diversity/

It never ends,....and it doesn't make the news.

There's too many black on white murders to fit on a 30 minute nightly news program, I guess.

Those murders have to be listed in a book and read if you want to know about them.

https://www.amazon.com/Their-Lives-Matter-Paul-Kersey/dp/1094844942

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by MontanaMarine

Father and son arrested, charged.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...jogger-Ahmaud-Arbery-charged-MURDER.html

That don't mean much.

Six years after retired Tampa police captain Curtis Reeves Jr. gunned down Chad Oulson they are still debating a court date.

Reeves shot Oulson over the use of a cell phone during movie previews at the Cobb Grove 16 cinemas in Wesley Chapel, FL. Popcorn flew, Reeves drew a handgun and shot Oulson in the chest as he sat in the theater with his wife and child.

The retired Tampa police captain was charged with second-degree murder in 2014 yet has been free on $150,000 bail ever since.

Reeves, now 77 is obviously being allowed to live out his retirement by the courts.

Cops don't pay no price for their actions, they have Nazi like immunity, this is why cops do such stupid schit, they know they will get by with it...fu_ck cops......

If the scary black man was a horrible as you racist pricks here fear him to be, people like George Zimmerman wouldn't still be sucking air today.....fu_ck racist....

And speaking of fu_ckin' racist, If that booze saturated Kentucky hillbilly Bristoe was to ever get near my pond I'd make a artificial reef outta his lard azz and his mobility scooter.......

Have a great weekend all!!!

Top of the weekend to ya too!

Bristoe has some serious self esteem issues....

My man has white supremacist websites out the wazoo....

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Bristoe has some serious self esteem issues....

My man has white supremacist websites out the wazoo....

I'll admit. This murder made the national news. It took three white women being brutally stabbed to death at a truck stop. But they put it on the news one time.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/her-name-...ath-at-pilot-travel-center-in-knoxville/

Just your average obsessed hillbilly raciest....

Even Trump has commented about this, its gonna be big time national news

Bristoe - I know captn obvious things are hard for someone of your aptitude to catch on too....

But you think the story here might be.....

That a retired investigator for the DA and his son did something wrong, and the DA he worked for dismissed it, without a grand jury... and now that the tape surfaced..... here we are???

Or is it really, as minute as you make it.... white on black crime crying foul of the public.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Bristoe has some serious self esteem issues....

My man has white supremacist websites out the wazoo....

He musta got triggered this second incidence of Black people being killed by White guys ina decade.

I dunno how many times I’ve told him the Irish are the Master Race.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Bristoe - I know captn obvious things are hard for someone of your aptitude to catch on too....

Yeah,...all of those reports I listed of blacks murdering whites is just the result of my lack of aptitude.

But you completely lack the ability to think.

Your reasoning ability has been turned to schitt.

Originally Posted by akasparky

Originally Posted by callnum

Funny thing is these 2 bubbas are interchangeable with 95% of the hillbillies on the fire. Hopefully they fry.

Idunno about that, most the guys here are has been old farts that just talk big when they are safely in their homes sitting at a keyboard, Doubtful many would have the balls to confront a real black man... That's just a bridge too far..

Most all got shotguns, prob’ly most have pickup trucks, I’m sure they do have the ‘nads, but most are too smart to chase anyone down the street and shoot them.

JMHO

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Here's another perspective:

https://www.amren.com/commentary/2020/05/ahmaud-arbery-the-next-trayvon-martin/

Good article, the dead guy’s prior arrests for a minor shoplifting incident and getting caught with a gun in high school hardly qualify him as a stone cold thug tho.

Sounds to me more like a kid who was steered away from thuggism by the coaching staff at his high school. Happens all the time.

Nope, like most of Bristoes bullschit, that was all a lie...
Even Bristoes racist white supremacist propaganda network had to pull the fake news from their site...

Only thing they had right was his first name and of course he was black.....
It don't matter, it works, run the lies long enough for all the little racist sheeple like Bristoe to spread the lie and then pull it and claim innocent......the shoplifting charge was also just more fake news.

Police: Man brought gun to high school basketball game
Officer in Brunswick stops 19-year-old man with loaded gun

Glynn County Detention Center booking photo of Ahmaud Avery

BRUNSWICK, Ga. 2013 – A quick acting police officer in Brunswick stopped a teenager with a loaded gun from entering a high school basketball game Tuesday night.

Police arrested 19-year-old Ahmaud Marquez Avery (pictured below), who is not a student at Brunswick.

"The man ran through the parking lot. I tried to get him to stop as well. He would not stop for us," said Glynn County Schools Chief of Police, Rod Ellis. "We ended up chasing him to the back of the school were other officers helped us apprehend him."

Ellis said the .380 caliber semi-automatic handgun slipped out of the teen's pants.

A parent, who did not want to be identified, told Channel 4 he saw the gun as he was about to enter the school gym. He said police were everywhere.

"They were trying to keep everyone calm and away from the gun that was on the ground. They wouldn't let anyone in or out of the gym," said the parent.

The basketball game continued without interruption while police arrested Avery.

"The main thing is we stopped him from getting into the event," Ellis said. "We don't know what his intentions were but you know it's never a good combination when you bring a weapon to a school event clearly when it's posted that you can't."

At Friday night's basketball game, Chief Ellis said they added more officers and from now on, every person will be scanned with a metal detecting wand.

Police said Avery is out of jail on bond.

Two of the police officers suffered injuries. One has been treated for a fractured hand.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/2013/12/09/police-man-brought-gun-to-high-school-basketball-game/

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Bristoe - I know captn obvious things are hard for someone of your aptitude to catch on too....

Yeah,...all of those reports I listed of blacks murdering whites is just the result of my lack of aptitude.

But you completely lack the ability to think.

Your reasoning ability has been turned to schitt.

Yup, dipshitness confirmed... the narrative isnt two white guys killed a black guy...

Its two white guys with extreme govt ties killed a black guy, and the govt ties dismissed the case without a proper investigation.... which wouldnt be as much news, if people like you really didnt exist...

However, considering your dumb as fug... you cant relate your extreme vocal disdain to blacks, is what keeps this narrative alive and well, which keeps causing you more disdain... basically you hand yourself the shovel.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

However, considering your dumb as fug... you cant relate your extreme vocal disdain to blacks, is what keeps this narrative alive and well, which keeps causing you more disdain... basically you hand yourself the shovel.

You seem to have quite an investment in your narrative.

73 year old Frances Jane Schultz.

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_r...3205504-5228-11e9-8121-0f9188b7a2dc.html

Brothers Adrian Curtis, 24, and Courtland Curtis, 25, were arrested Friday, along with Donevan Brown, 22, in the killing of Schultz and the robbery of her Zachary home. Adrian Curtis had previously worked for her husband, but then returned on March 21, when, officials said, Curtis approached Francis Jane Schultz under the guise of finding more work. Instead, the three men forced their way into the home, bound Schultz with duct tape, ransacked the home, and killed her.

Um.... if a high school sporting event takes place, that premises is technically a high school premises if it wasn't already, at least for the duration of the event.

How was the shoplifting charge bullspit?

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

However, considering your dumb as fug... you cant relate your extreme vocal disdain to blacks, is what keeps this narrative alive and well, which keeps causing you more disdain... basically you hand yourself the shovel.

You seem to have quite an investment in your narrative.

I enjoy debating with retards.... its arguments I can win ;-)

Originally Posted by Bristoe

It never ends,....and it doesn't make the news.

On that, you are 100% spot on..

College student Samantha Josephson didn't make the national news.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/south-ca...-of-university-of-south-carolina-student

Originally Posted by akasparky

Originally Posted by callnum

Funny thing is these 2 bubbas are interchangeable with 95% of the hillbillies on the fire. Hopefully they fry.

Idunno about that, most the guys here are has been old farts that just talk big when they are safely in their homes sitting at a keyboard, Doubtful many would have the balls to confront a real black man... That's just a bridge too far..

You two remind me of another self worshiping clown who posts here also.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...hurch-could-have-been-just-like-your-ran

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

However, considering your dumb as fug... you cant relate your extreme vocal disdain to blacks, is what keeps this narrative alive and well, which keeps causing you more disdain... basically you hand yourself the shovel.

You seem to have quite an investment in your narrative.

I enjoy debating with retards.... its arguments I can win ;-)

Going by the facts you haven't won schitt. What's winning in your world?

This one happened close to home,...didn't make the national news.

https://www.wtvq.com/2020/01/09/man-killed-us-marine-lexington-sentenced-life-prison/

Originally Posted by Bristoe

College student Samantha Josephson didn't make the national news.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/south-ca...-of-university-of-south-carolina-student

Cut his phugking head off and put it on a pike in front of the bar.

Originally Posted by akasparky

The third vigilante, the man shooting video from his car as he also followed Ahmaud Arbery thought their neighborhood was Bryan Williams.
He was armed with a handgun.
As the video looses focus on Arbery you can hear Williams jack a round into the chamber of his gun then the video resumes focus on the subject.

Ahmaud Arbery was a Linebacker for Brunswick High, he graduated in 2012. He went on to attend South Georgia Technical College and was currently pursuing a career as an electrician, staying in shape, including jogging was a routine part of his life. He would have been 26 years old tomorrow, May 7th.

Probably figured he had a chance to of taking the shotgun away from 34 year old, chunky looking Travis McMichael.

Probably should of rethought that. Never been in that circumstance, but I believe I would have weighed heavier on waiting till the real Law Enforcement got there before attempting to disarm an idiot by grabbing the business end of a shotgun pointed at me.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Bristoe - I know captn obvious things are hard for someone of your aptitude to catch on too....

Yeah,...all of those reports I listed of blacks murdering whites is just the result of my lack of aptitude.

But you completely lack the ability to think.

Your reasoning ability has been turned to schitt.

That is where you have been misled by the nazi racist propaganda networks you seem obsessed by.

You Bristoe are the one that completely lacks the ability to think for yourself.

Being arrested for a crime and being prosecuted for a crime are by far two different things.
Your propaganda sites of choice don't seem to realize that and they are sure not worded as such.

They are solely worded to instigate hate in those that seek it...

Even Dylann Roof finally realized he'd been led astray by such websites and their postings on the internet.
But not before he became radicalized by his readings and gunned down 9 innocent people as they sat in their church.
Dylann Roof said he first started reading the websites in 2012 and was 'never the same'....
How long has it been for you Bristoe?

[Linked Image from i.dailymail.co.uk]

Seems like you as a adult could see the woes of your ways, but apparently not.

The link you posted where they claimed a prior criminal history of Ahmaud Arbery was all total lies,
You don't seem to care, most of us do, how can anyone trust a single link you post to these sites when there is no explanation offered for the lies they post? Is that not suppose to matter?

Originally Posted by ChuckKY

Probably should of rethought that. Never been in that circumstance, but I believe I would have weighed heavier on waiting till the real Law Enforcement got there before attempting to disarm an idiot by grabbing the business end of a shotgun pointed at me.

His act of doing that and how he went about it makes me wonder if he knew fu_ck all about guns....

Casey Paul Bonhorst was just trying to deliver pizza,......didn't make the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/his-name-...ied-to-black-gang-set-on-robbing-people/

Kristopher Dacus worked at a cemetery,.....didn't make the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/his-name-...le-rock-arkansas-murdered-by-black-teen/

Madison Harris was a teenage girl that lived down around Biloxi,....didn't make the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/her-name-...ed-by-five-blacks-in-biloxi-mississippi/

Bradley Brown was a teenage boy who lived in Virginia,.....didn't make the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/his-name-...three-black-males-murder-white-teenager/

Joseph Bullock was having a car towed,...didn't make the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/his-name-...ack-male-angry-over-his-car-being-towed/

Perfect examples of your propaganda sites lack of being capable of representing a news story.

Also a perfect example of what a hopeless bastard you are..

Matthew Carter liked playing high school football,.......didn't make the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/his-name-...g-by-two-black-teenagers-aged-13-and-14/

Bob Long was an older fellow who was good at playing chess,.....didn't make the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/his-name-...his-iowa-home-by-19-year-old-black-male/

Melissa Hamilton was a substance abuse counselor,.....didn't make the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/her-name-...-and-murdered-by-black-man-in-tennessee/

Toni Abad was a grandmother,...beaten to death with a baseball bat,....didn't make the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/her-name-...o-death-with-baseball-bat-by-two-blacks/

Casey Tinker made the mistake of deciding to attend college in Memphis,.....didn't make the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/his-name-...his-tn-white-male-university-of-memphis/

John Weed was a 59 year old man who decided to go to the Fair,..a victim of "the knock out game",.....didn't make the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/his-name-...aying-knockout-game-at-fair-in-maryland/

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Bristoe

[quote=Ejp1234]Bristoe - I know captn obvious things are hard for someone of your aptitude to catch on too....

Yeah,...all of those reports I listed of blacks murdering whites is just the result of my lack of aptitude.

But you completely lack the ability to think.

Your reasoning ability has been turned to schitt.

That is where you have been misled by the nazi racist propaganda networks you seem obsessed by.

You Bristoe are the one that completely lacks the ability to think for yourself.

Being arrested for a crime and being prosecuted for a crime are by far two different things.
Your propaganda sites of choice don't seem to realize that and they are sure not worded as such.

They are solely worded to instigate hate in those that seek it...

Even Dylann Roof finally realized he'd been led astray by such websites and their postings on the internet.
But not before he became radicalized by his readings and gunned down 9 innocent people as they sat in their church.
Dylann Roof said he first started reading the websites in 2012 and was 'never the same'....
How long has it been for you Bristoe?

[Linked Image from i.dailymail.co.uk]

Seems like you as a adult could see the woes of your ways, but apparently not.

The link you posted where they claimed a prior criminal history of Ahmaud Arbery was all total lies,
You don't seem to care, most of us do, how can anyone trust a single link you post to these sites when there is no explanation offered for the lies they post? Is that not suppose to matter?

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Did this thread ever take a turn....

Mikaela Conley was raped and murdered in the 94% white state of Maine,....by one of the dozen black men who live there,...didn't make the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/her-name-...one-of-only-18-murders-in-state-in-2018/

Margery Magill was stabbed to death while walking her dog,....didn't make the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/her-name-...randomly-stabbed-to-death-by-black-male/

Six white people killed by black serial killer in Kansas City,....didn't make the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/kill-all-...x-white-victims-in-kansas-city-missouri/

It’s a “Man Bites Dog” thing. White peckerwoods in pickup trucks chasing down a black guy and killing him makes the national news big time because it confirms the media’s and liberal’s beliefs. And because it doesn’t happen very often. Black people killing white people and each other are “local” stories because that does not confirm the liberal’s beliefs and it happens all too often. Bristoe’s links are real. There are links to the local news stories in each of the Unz Review stories he posted.

Originally Posted by billhilly

Bristoe’s links are real. There are links to the local news stories in each of the Unz Review stories he posted.

JeffA knows they're real. It's just that they intrude on the false sense of superiority he gets from allowing himself to be manipulated by the media.

Originally Posted by JeffA

Perfect examples of your propaganda sites lack of being capable of representing a news story.

Also a perfect example of what a hopeless bastard you are..

So this stuff never happened? Just a fabrication, huh?

For the record,..the site those links came from is owned by a Jewish fellow,...hardly a "Nazi, white supremacist" site.

It's funny.

JeffA jumps into the thread talking about how only white people commit crime where he lives,..Citrus County, Florida.

Then you check the demographics of Citrus County, Florida and find that it's 93% Caucasian.

JeffA must be a white separatist to want to live there.

I live in rural central Kentucky,..and it's not even 93% Caucasian here.

It is interesting that so many people who white knight for the black folks don’t live among them.

Another enlightening thread, Who knew that blacks committed crime at a rate out of proportion to their population? Chasing jigjoggers through your neighborhood w/ pickups and shotguns and killing them despite not having seen them commit or threaten a crime is just roadhunting to many.

When criscoe starts chain posting there must be some jigs, joos or deflave involved. dog pecker gnats all.

excuse me now I have to check Delta's schedule for flights to Israel. LMAO

mike r

Also,..a reasonably thinking person would look at those links I posted and conclude, "Gee,..blacks are killing a lot of white people in America".

Somebody who has had their reasoning ability turned to schitt by the media propaganda machine reads those links I posted and thinks, "Gee,...Bristoe is a fat hillbilly".

Originally Posted by lvmiker

Another enlightening thread, Who knew that blacks committed crime at a rate out of proportion to their population? Chasing jigjoggers through your neighborhood w/ pickups and shotguns and killing them despite not having seen them commit or threaten a crime is just roadhunting to many.

When criscoe starts chain posting there must be some jigs, joos or deflave involved. dog pecker gnats all.

excuse me now I have to check Delta's schedule for flights to Israel. LMAO

mike r

Translation:

"Everything Bristoe says is true, but I'm going to take this opportunity to insult him anyway."

The national news is on TV right now reporting yet again about the black man in Georgia being killed.

I wonder how long it'll go on?

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The national news is on TV right now reporting yet again about the black man in Georgia being killed.

I wonder how long it'll go on?

Well...who runs the media? Anti-white Jews do. Shalom bitches.

It’ll go on as long as they can milk it.
Those peckerwoods made it easy for em too. Regardless of what that black dude did or didn’t do, that was stupid beyond my ability to comprehend. How many of the folks inclined to defend these guy”s actions could look at the series of events and say “yep, that’s what I would have done”?
The only way the optics could have been any worse is if they’d had dogs tree him first then dragged his corpse behind their truck.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

It's funny.

JeffA jumps into the thread talking about how only white people commit crime where he lives,..Citrus County, Florida.

Then you check the demographics of Citrus County, Florida and find that it's 93% Caucasian.

JeffA must be a white separatist to want to live there.

Damn. That's only a bit over an hour drive south of me. I might be moving there.

Originally Posted by billhilly

It is interesting that so many people who white knight for the black folks don’t live among them.

Ain't it, though?

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

[quote=Bristoe]Here's another perspective:

https://www.amren.com/commentary/2020/05/ahmaud-arbery-the-next-trayvon-martin/

Good article, the dead guy’s prior arrests for a minor shoplifting incident and getting caught with a gun in high school hardly qualify him as a stone cold thug tho.

Sounds to me more like a kid who was steered away from thuggism by the coaching staff at his high school. Happens all the time.

Nope, like most of Bristoes bullschit, that was all a lie...
Even Bristoes racist white supremacist propaganda network had to pull the fake news from their site...

Only thing they had right was his first name and of course he was black.....
It don't matter, it works, run the lies long enough for all the little racist sheeple like Bristoe to spread the lie and then pull it and claim innocent......the shoplifting charge was also just more fake news.

Police: Man brought gun to high school basketball game
Officer in Brunswick stops 19-year-old man with loaded gun

Glynn County Detention Center booking photo of Ahmaud Avery

BRUNSWICK, Ga. 2013 – A quick acting police officer in Brunswick stopped a teenager with a loaded gun from entering a high school basketball game Tuesday night.

Police arrested 19-year-old Ahmaud Marquez Avery (pictured below), who is not a student at Brunswick.

"The man ran through the parking lot. I tried to get him to stop as well. He would not stop for us," said Glynn County Schools Chief of Police, Rod Ellis. "We ended up chasing him to the back of the school were other officers helped us apprehend him."

Ellis said the .380 caliber semi-automatic handgun slipped out of the teen's pants.

A parent, who did not want to be identified, told Channel 4 he saw the gun as he was about to enter the school gym. He said police were everywhere.

"They were trying to keep everyone calm and away from the gun that was on the ground. They wouldn't let anyone in or out of the gym," said the parent.

The basketball game continued without interruption while police arrested Avery.

"The main thing is we stopped him from getting into the event," Ellis said. "We don't know what his intentions were but you know it's never a good combination when you bring a weapon to a school event clearly when it's posted that you can't."

At Friday night's basketball game, Chief Ellis said they added more officers and from now on, every person will be scanned with a metal detecting wand.

Police said Avery is out of jail on bond.

Two of the police officers suffered injuries. One has been treated for a fractured hand.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/2013/12/09/police-man-brought-gun-to-high-school-basketball-game/[/quote[

Ya don't say...

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Also,..a reasonably thinking person would look at those links I posted and conclude, "Gee,..blacks are killing a lot of white people in America".

Somebody who has had their reasoning ability turned to schitt by the media propaganda machine reads those links I posted and thinks, "Gee,...Bristoe is a fat hillbilly".

Exactly.

Quote

Another enlightening thread, Who knew that blacks committed crime at a rate out of proportion to their population?

Stop being catty, at least a couple of 'Fire members here wont admit the obvious.....

I got B's back on this

B:"Black folks kill a lot more Whites than Whites kill Blacks"
Me: "Yes, but they kill even more of each other too."
B: "See, that means Black folks is intrinsically murderous".
Me"I dunno, where I lived in Africa was a surprisingly non-violent place."
B: "How many African women did you screw in Ghana"
Me:"None. In Africa and America both, I've worked for and with many fine, upstanding Black folks."
B:"No for real, how many African women did you screw in Ghana?"
Me:"None. And I think the Law should judge us the way God judges us; one at a time, on our own merits, irrespective of skin color."
B: "We need a White Nationalist Homeland."
Me: "Fugg you, I'm Irish ya Anglo-Saxon Bastard."

Now Birdwatcher chimes in to tell about how he was only accosted by FN FAL weilding black revolutionaries *once* while he was in Ghana,...and that since they didn't kill and eat him, they must be nice guys.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Now Birdwatcher chimes in to tell about how he was only accosted by FN FAL weilding black revolutionaries *once* while he was in Ghana,...and that since they didn't kill and eat him, they must be nice guys.

Golly, I taught you something

Even his enemies state that only 28 people died in the Rawlings coup, I dunno the exact truth of that, but it was remarkably bloodless as military coups go.

Rawlings toppled a ludicrously corrupt government, got on the radio and said "We Ghanaians like to blame our problems on the White man, but I'm telling you today that Ghana is merely a reflection of how we are, collectively, as Ghanians". He also intitiated firearms training for the common people so that more than just the Army would know how to use them. He followed IMF dictates to the letter, turned the wrecked economy of Ghana around, and then peacefully handed over power to an elected government.

Hey, this beats the usual thread creep......

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Now Birdwatcher chimes in to tell about how he was only accosted by FN FAL weilding black revolutionaries *once* while he was in Ghana,...and that since they didn't kill and eat him, they must be nice guys.

Golly, I taught you something

Even his enemies state that only 28 people died in the Rawlings coup, I dunno the exact truth of that, but it was remarkably bloodless as military coups go.

I guess everybody involved was full after eating 28 people.

Either that or nobody wanted to cut enough wood to cook #29.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Now Birdwatcher chimes in to tell about how he was only accosted by FN FAL weilding black revolutionaries *once* while he was in Ghana,...and that since they didn't kill and eat him, they must be nice guys.

Golly, I taught you something

Even his enemies state that only 28 people died in the Rawlings coup, I dunno the exact truth of that, but it was remarkably bloodless as military coups go.

I guess everybody involved was full after eating 28 people.

Either that or nobody wanted to cut enough wood to cook #29.

Cannibalism in Ghana? Never heard of it, OK bring up the links if ya got 'em

https://www.pulse.ng/gist/cannibalism-mad-man-butchers-cooks-eats-14-yr-old-girl-in-ghana/0lpgl9z

Originally Posted by Bristoe

https://www.pulse.ng/gist/cannibalism-mad-man-butchers-cooks-eats-14-yr-old-girl-in-ghana/0lpgl9z

You know you sorta look like Jeffrey Dahlmer, just sayin'.

Sounds like you need to age them like beef !

After murdering the girl, the mad man, was said to have taken the body to the bush, cut it into pieces and cooked it and ate it with kenkey and banku, (A local Ghanaian delicacy).

The ugly incident reportedly happened on Tuesday, January 26, and her remains were not discovered until a week after with some parts, including the head, missing.

Originally Posted by akasparky

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Bristoe

[quote=Ejp1234]Bristoe - I know captn obvious things are hard for someone of your aptitude to catch on too....

Yeah,...all of those reports I listed of blacks murdering whites is just the result of my lack of aptitude.

But you completely lack the ability to think.

Your reasoning ability has been turned to schitt.

That is where you have been misled by the nazi racist propaganda networks you seem obsessed by.

You Bristoe are the one that completely lacks the ability to think for yourself.

Being arrested for a crime and being prosecuted for a crime are by far two different things.
Your propaganda sites of choice don't seem to realize that and they are sure not worded as such.

They are solely worded to instigate hate in those that seek it...

Even Dylann Roof finally realized he'd been led astray by such websites and their postings on the internet.
But not before he became radicalized by his readings and gunned down 9 innocent people as they sat in their church.
hate-filled-website[/b]-inspired-Ch...id he first started reading the websites in 2012 and was 'never the same'....
How long has it been for you Bristoe?

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Seems like you as a adult could see the woes of your ways, but apparently not.

The link you posted where they claimed a prior criminal history of Ahmaud Arbery was all total lies,
You don't seem to care, most of us do, how can anyone trust a single link you post to these sites when there is no explanation offered for the lies they post? Is that not suppose to matter?

[/quote[

Did this thread ever take a turn....

The CBS Evening News as of late seems to be a propaganda filled website and TV broadcast site now that you bring up someone spending too much time at such places and posting links to them.

Originally Posted by jimy

Sounds like you need to age them like beef !

After murdering the girl, the mad man, was said to have taken the body to the bush, cut it into pieces and cooked it and ate it with kenkey and banku, (A local Ghanaian delicacy).

The ugly incident reportedly happened on Tuesday, January 26, and her remains were not discovered until a week after with some parts, including the head, missing.

Kenkey is Ashanti tamales, corn leaves and all. Banku is fermented cornmeal compressed into a sort of semi-solid.

Banku with n'katieh n'kwan (peanut soup with red peppers and stewed okra) and smoked tuna ROCKS. Don't knock it if ya ain't tried it.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

.. Imperfect defenses of self-defense are those that don't fully meet the standard for a perfect claim of self-defense, because the defender didn't come to the situation with completely clean hands, i.e., he was to some degree in the wrong as he appeared on the scene.

Blocking a public road with one's shotgun out with display
of repeated intent to illegally detain the jogger,
where does self-defence by the shooter come into this?

What if a police cruiser had coincidently gone by
and saw the truck and gun toter as described ,how
would they approach it?

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/gb...-later-today/BZ6B32H4LFAN3BIU5LNZIKSIQ4/

Originally Posted by Starman

Blocking a public road with one's shotgun out with display
of repeated intent to illegally detain the jogger,
where does self-defence by the shooter come into this?

What if a police cruiser had coincidently gone by
and saw the truck and gun toter as described ,how
would they approach it?

If you think it's a good idea to grab a loaded weapon by the muzzle, maybe you should go out and "mind your own business" in the middle of a freeway.

Al Roker and Craig Melvin likely have no problem with whitey being killed........justice, after all.

There are places you are expected to not frequent. If you do, you deserve what you get. Not much blame assigned, that one way. The other way, lots of blame.

I want to know the facts......who was breaking in?

No judgements just yet. No trust for the media.

A murder charge can be political. An acquittal would be out of their hands.

Not saying one way or another, just remember the pics of poor 12 year old Trayvon. And, the poor guy ready to go to college.......but he had just robbed a convenience store of a case of cigars.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The national news is on TV right now reporting yet again about the black man in Georgia being killed.

I wonder how long it'll go on?

Originally Posted by Bristoe

For the record,..the site those links came from is owned by a Jewish fellow,...hardly a "Nazi, white supremacist" site.

LOL now it's the Joo's fault....

Your posts remind me of a dog running in circles chasing it's tail....it just don't know any better...LOL

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Also,..a reasonably thinking person would look at those links I posted and conclude, "Gee,..blacks are killing a lot of white people in America".

Somebody who has had their reasoning ability turned to schitt by the media propaganda machine reads those links I posted and thinks, "Gee,...Bristoe is a fat hillbilly".

After posting multiple links to racist sites criscoe descries media propaganda, you can't beat the CF for critical thinking or make this kind of schidt up. LMFAO.

mike r

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by Starman

Blocking a public road with one's shotgun out with display
of repeated intent to illegally detain the jogger,
where does self-defence by the shooter come into this?

What if a police cruiser had coincidently gone by
and saw the truck and gun toter as described ,how
would they approach it?

If you think it's a good idea to grab a loaded weapon by the muzzle,...

What has that got to do with the
specific questions in my post?

Looked at every link bristoe posted. Didnt find a one black murder who was set free and only charged later because a video of the crime was leaked.

JOGGER...my ass.

Which prompts the question......why stay on the road if fleeing?

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

JOGGER...my ass.

How was the jogger dressed?

Originally Posted by lvmiker

After posting multiple links to racist sites criscoe descries media propaganda, you can't beat the CF for critical thinking or make this kind of schidt up. LMFAO.

mike r

I gotta tell ya I’ve been disappointed in your arguments lately.

Are you suggesting the murders Bristoe posted didn’t happen?

Are you suggesting the MSM doesn’t have an obvious and longstanding bias?

Originally Posted by ldholton

How was the jogger dressed?

White sneakers and socks, shorts, short sleeved shirt, possibly a t-shirt.

Originally Posted by ldholton

How was the jogger dressed?

Tee shirt, tennis shoes and shorts, all white

It is much more than a bias. It’s part of an agenda. Reparations......paid every 5-10 years.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by lvmiker

After posting multiple links to racist sites criscoe descries media propaganda, you can't beat the CF for critical thinking or make this kind of schidt up. LMFAO.

mike r

I gotta tell ya I’ve been disappointed in your arguments lately.

Are you suggesting the murders Bristoe posted didn’t happen?

Are you suggesting the MSM doesn’t have an obvious and longstanding bias?

Does anyone believe we will ever know if they indeed had the guy that was stealing stuff. Or just mistaken identity?

That was murder. probably not premeditated, but it was murder.
All these comments about "black guy could have done this" or "why was he dumb enough to do that" are BS.
Good chance he was panicking. How about inbred rednecks shouldn't chase a guy down a public road and start an altercation. I've had problems with thieves. Even felt like shooting them. But it was 3 on 1. They could have just left the guns in the truck and tackled him. All they did was feed into the mainstream medias agenda to paint us as ignorant inbred rednecks with blood lust.
Thanks you stupid jack wagons.

Doesn't matter whether he was stealing anything or not, was the shooter or shooters in fear for their life? If they were not scared that they may loose their life or suffer bodily harm, they committed murder and should be charged as such.

Even if the guy had done something before the video started, he plainly did not pose a threat to them from what I can see in the video.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

.. Imperfect defenses of self-defense are those that don't fully meet the standard for a perfect claim of self-defense, because the defender didn't come to the situation with completely clean hands, i.e., he was to some degree in the wrong as he appeared on the scene.

Blocking a public road with one's shotgun out with display
of repeated intent to illegally detain the jogger,
where does self-defence by the shooter come into this?

What if a police cruiser had coincidently gone by
and saw the truck and gun toter as described ,how
would they approach it?

I said the self-defense claim is imperfect because the initial approach to a suspected burglar was questionable, legally speaking. But after said approach (and keep in mind that we don't know that a firearm was ever pointed at the victim), the victim of the shooting attempted to grab a loaded firearm from one of the men attempting citizen's arrest. That's an attack against which one ordinarily would possess a right to use lethal force to thwart, since it can be reasonably assumed that a suspected burglar, once he has disarmed you, will use said weapon against you.

Did the rider in the pickup bed even fire a shot?

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Did the rider in the pickup bed even fire a shot?

That was the son, he did the shooting, kinda confusing cause dad got out of the truck and hid behind it after his son jumped out of the bed and headed for the front of the truck to head off the jogger...

Originally Posted by akasparky

I've read about 25 stories on this subject and they don't vary to much.

Travis McMichael, the son of the trucks driver Gregory McMichael did the shooting.
He was riding in the bed of the truck with the shotgun while they pursued Ahmaud Arbery, the supposed burglar.

Gregory McMicheal is a retired LEO.

They had seen Arbery jog by their home and thought he looked like a person they had seen on a security video recorded at a home that had recently been robbed. They were having a rash of homes under construction being stolen from.

Gregory grabbed his 357 and his son a shotgun and they left their home in their pickup looking for the jogger.
They had called another neighbor before they left their home to assist them and he is the one in the car shooting video from his cell phone.
They got close enough to Arbery at one point in the chase to tell him to stop but he avoided them and continued running, they turned their truck around, took another route and were waiting for him when he rounded the corner as seen in the video.

It appears to many that Arbery was attempting to get get around the truck and continue running from them when Travis cut him off in front of the truck with shotgun in hand.

Gregory was on the phone with 911 when his son shot Arbery....

The full police report can be viewed at https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6915-arbery-shooting/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf (it don't exactly match the video but pretty close)

This photo of the father son duo is all over the internet, it's instigated numerous threats for the father and son.

Thanks Dad......

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I'm not hearing anything about them getting threatened by anyone...
Nice father son pics

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Was there one shooter......or two?

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Did the rider in the pickup bed even fire a shot?

That was the son, he did the shooting, kinda confusing cause dad got out of the truck and hid behind it after his son jumped out of the bed and headed for the front of the truck to head off the jogger...

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

I said the self-defense claim is imperfect because the initial approach to a suspected burglar was questionable, legally speaking. But after said approach (and keep in mind that we don't know that a firearm was ever pointed at the victim), the victim of the shooting attempted to grab a loaded firearm from one of the men attempting citizen's arrest. That's an attack against which one ordinarily would possess a right to use lethal force to thwart, since it can be reasonably assumed that a suspected burglar, once he has disarmed you, will use said weapon against you.

Someone is repeatedly chasing you with truck and shotgun
blocking your path and telling you to stop!. ,
do they have to point the 12 Guage directly at you
before you take it as an imminent threat?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

.. the victim of the shooting attempted to grab a loaded firearm from one of the men attempting citizen's arrest. That's an attack against which one ordinarily would possess a right to use lethal force to thwart,.. .

transcripts of the two 911 calls suggest it was not
a justified citizens arrest... Twice the operator asked
what the crime commited was, And all they could
tell them was ' a man is running down the road.'

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Was there one shooter......or two?

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Did the rider in the pickup bed even fire a shot?

That was the son, he did the shooting, kinda confusing cause dad got out of the truck and hid behind it after his son jumped out of the bed and headed for the front of the truck to head off the jogger...

Three guys with guns, one shooter.
Read the police report it's in the post I just quoted.
Third guy with the gun was also the guy following shooting video of the event

Maybe he was just a guy out for a jog.

Maybe he was doing stupid stuff in the area.

Maybe he was the thief they thought.

Looks like a clusterfork. Hopefully a proper investigation brings up all the facts needed to sort it out.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

I said the self-defense claim is imperfect because the initial approach to a suspected burglar was questionable, legally speaking. But after said approach (and keep in mind that we don't know that a firearm was ever pointed at the victim), the victim of the shooting attempted to grab a loaded firearm from one of the men attempting citizen's arrest. That's an attack against which one ordinarily would possess a right to use lethal force to thwart, since it can be reasonably assumed that a suspected burglar, once he has disarmed you, will use said weapon against you.

Someone is repeatedly chasing you with truck and shotgun
blocking your path and telling you to stop!. ,
do they have to point the 12 Guage directly at you
before you take it as an imminent threat?

That's why the claim to self-defense on the part of the white folks involved is imperfect rather than perfect. Their defense of engaging in a citizen's arrest isn't quite legally sound, since they didn't personally witness him engage in a felony. But it's also not murder, since they believed they were acting within their rights to make an arrest, and had no apparent intent to lynch or shoot the fellow, but merely to hold him for the police, while possessing arms for self defense should he become violent. Once the suspected burglar tried to grab a loaded weapon, the perfect right of self-defense on the part of the white folks would normally have protected their use of lethal force, but due to their being legally in the wrong in attempting an arrest of someone they merely suspected of a felony, they cannot claim the perfect right of self defense, but rather only an imperfect right, which subjects them to a charge of manslaughter.

Two lessons everybody should learn from this:

A: Don't yank on the barrel of a shotgun that somebody is holding.

B: Don't be a white man living in a town that's 55% black.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

.. Imperfect defenses of self-defense are those that don't fully meet the standard for a perfect claim of self-defense, because the defender didn't come to the situation with completely clean hands, i.e., he was to some degree in the wrong as he appeared on the scene.

Blocking a public road with one's shotgun out with display
of repeated intent to illegally detain the jogger,
where does self-defence by the shooter come into this?

What if a police cruiser had coincidently gone by
and saw the truck and gun toter as described ,how
would they approach it?

I said the self-defense claim is imperfect because the initial approach to a suspected burglar was questionable, legally speaking. But after said approach (and keep in mind that we don't know that a firearm was ever pointed at the victim), the victim of the shooting attempted to grab a loaded firearm from one of the men attempting citizen's arrest. That's an attack against which one ordinarily would possess a right to use lethal force to thwart, since it can be reasonably assumed that a suspected burglar, once he has disarmed you, will use said weapon against you.

What were they arresting him for? The old man was a former cop. If he can’t articulate exactly what legal reason they had to perform their “citizens arrest”, then it’s murder. And seeing him jogging down the street isn’t good enough.

Plenty of y’all have crowed about a citizen legally shooting a cop who was making an illegal arrest or entry. It’s happened and it’s right. So why is this black guy resisting an unlawful arrest wrong?

How does the guy in the truck bed get charged for anything, if he does nothing in the quickly escalating situation?

He fired no shot? Things got out of hand, he just stood there?

Sounds like a charge with an expected acquittal, for him anyway.

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Was there one shooter......or two?

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Did the rider in the pickup bed even fire a shot?

That was the son, he did the shooting, kinda confusing cause dad got out of the truck and hid behind it after his son jumped out of the bed and headed for the front of the truck to head off the jogger...

Three guys with guns, one shooter.
Read the police report it's in the post I just quoted.
Third guy with the gun was also the guy following shooting video of the event

Some people are stupid.

Some people are sick and tired of other people being stupid.

For every black unjustly killed by whites, how many whites unjustly killed by blacks?

How many blacks killing blacks?

Heard somebody on TV say blacks are being hunted down.
Race baiting BS.

But lets take them at their word for a second..........

maybe if they collectively got their chit together and quit acting like animals, they wouldn't get hunted.

Amazing how people think they can be all the A hole they want, and everybody else has to play by the rules.

Even if they do play that game and get by with it.................it does influence how the game is played someplace else.

And that spillover means innocent people will get hurt/killed.

Social responsibility................blacks as a culture don't have it. Culture of identity (usually victim) and not integrity.

Not saying that a bad guy got shot in this incident.

May have been a good guy.

Could have been killed by racists. Or those suffering from negro fatigue. Or maybe just dumbasses.
Dunno.

But blacks acting terrible does set the stage for this kinda crap.

And nobody is talking about that.

So it will keep on happening.

Those dumbasses in the truck didn't follow rule #1.

Avoid the groid.

Proly gonna wish they had.

First thing I’ve learned is never believe what the media tells you.

I have questions. Did this guy live in the area he was running in.
If not how did he get there. If by car where is it.
Were any finger prints found at the burglary site.

In this day and time nothing is to big that someone want try to sweep it under the rug. That being said , we all know any time a black is shot he is on his way to church. The DA knows something he’s not telling. Hasbeen

I am amazed at the ignorance, bigotry, and reptilian stupidity shown by a lot of members on 24HCF. Bristoe and ghostinthemachine come to mind.

It is irrelevant in this case that blacks have murdered a lot of whites. Everyone knows that. Do you remember whites in Europe 75 years ago killing about 50,000,000 other wlhites (including some Jews)? Does that allow me to come down to Kentucky and murder Bristoe? For that matter, since the Germans did that, and I am German, should someone have the right to murder me? How about murdering Eisenhower? He was a German by ancestry, no?

What's relevant is just the facts.

The two refugees from the Deliverance movie, to judge by their appearance, decided to chase and capture the black jogger because he "looked like" a thief seen on a surveillance video.

THAT IN ITSELF IS ILLEGAL UNDER GEORGIA LAW!!!

In the process they pulled a gun and the jogger got killed.

THAT'S HOMICIDE!! And it doesn't matter what the jogger's past history was. Or whether it was "stupid" for him to fight them.

With a good lawyer they might get convicetd of manslaughter.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

How does the guy in the truck bed get charged for anything, if he does nothing in the quickly escalating situation?

How does the driver of the getaway car in a bank robbery get charged with anything if the other guy murders a teller?

Were you around when they passed out the brains?

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by lvmiker

After posting multiple links to racist sites criscoe descries media propaganda, you can't beat the CF for critical thinking or make this kind of schidt up. LMFAO.

mike r

I gotta tell ya I’ve been disappointed in your arguments lately.

Are you suggesting the murders Bristoe posted didn’t happen?

Are you suggesting the MSM doesn’t have an obvious and longstanding bias?

I am devastated to learn that I am not reaching your lofty standards.

What I am "suggesting" is that neither of you are up to the task of discerning reality...except concerning cannibalism. LMFAO

#Ghanian tamales.

mike r

Originally Posted by hasbeen1945

I have questions. Did this guy live in the area he was running in.
If not how did he get there. If by car where is it.
Were any finger prints found at the burglary site.

None of these questions have any relevancy to the fats of the case.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

.. But it's also not murder, since they believed they were acting within their rights to make an arrest, and had no apparent intent to lynch or shoot the fellow,..

... they cannot claim the perfect right of self defense, but rather only an imperfect right, which subjects them to a charge of manslaughter.

It appears They have been charged with Felony murder, § 16-5-1 -

which does not support your imperfect self-defence /manslaughter claim.

I just wonder why the matter is getting more than regional coverage.

14 people were shot in Chicago with five killed yesterday. It's not been on the national news.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/...ot-5-fatally-thursday-may-7-gun-violence

We've had some minor stuff in our housing addition.
Common to have somebody walking down the street (not sidewalk.. go figure) carrying a plastic bag.

Like they are walking to/from a store down the road. NOT They are checking cars, mostly just yank stuff from unlocked vehicles, but will break in a few of em.
Have also had doorknobs on houses jiggled............middle of the day, middle of the night.

Pops is on a hill, downtown. He's had folks jack w his door at 3 am.

Talking with the cops...........20% of em crack/meth heads. The other 80% of them............blacks.

Trust nobody.

What cracks me up about this whole thread is guys from anywhere but the South thinking they have a first clue about racism/race relations. Its obvious that most of them dont hate black folk, they're just scared of em.

I strongly suspect that it's because nobody involved in the 14 Chicago shootings yesterday was Caucasian.

Just one un-bigoted question....

If I open carry.....and someone rushes me and tries to kill me with my own gun.....and I committing murder if I then stop them with my handgun, them being un-armed when they hit the dirt?

Just an example to ponder.......even if we knew the facts.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

I am amazed at the ignorance, bigotry, and reptilian stupidity shown by a lot of members on 24HCF. Bristoe and ghostinthemachine come to mind.

It is irrelevant in this case that blacks have murdered a lot of whites. Everyone knows that. Do you remember whites in Europe 75 years ago killing about 50,000,000 other wlhites (including some Jews)? Does that allow me to come down to Kentucky and murder Bristoe? For that matter, since the Germans did that, and I am German, should someone have the right to murder me? How about murdering Eisenhower? He was a German by ancestry, no?

What's relevant is just the facts.

The two refugees from the Deliverance movie, to judge by their appearance, decided to chase and capture the black jogger because he "looked like" a thief seen on a surveillance video.

THAT IN ITSELF IS ILLEGAL UNDER GEORGIA LAW!!!

In the process they pulled a gun and the jogger got killed.

THAT'S HOMICIDE!! And it doesn't matter what the jogger's past history was. Or whether it was "stupid" for him to fight them.

With a good lawyer they might get convicetd of manslaughter.

hookeye your post is the only one that has made any sense in this hole thread

Quote

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER
Did the rider in the pickup bed even fire a shot?

JeffA
That was the son, he did the shooting, kinda confusing cause dad got out of the truck and hid behind it after his son jumped out of the bed and headed for the front of the truck to head off the jogger...

I don't fear anybody.
Also don't trust anybody.

And I don't jog.

Yeah,..since this thread began yesterday, 14 shootings with 5 deaths have occurred in Chicago. None of them have been reported on the national news.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/...ot-5-fatally-thursday-may-7-gun-violence

Are you saying the shooting was premeditated?

You know much more of this case than most anyone.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

How does the guy in the truck bed get charged for anything, if he does nothing in the quickly escalating situation?

How does the driver of the getaway car in a bank robbery get charged with anything if the other guy murders a teller?

Were you around when they passed out the brains?

I've had a couple of experiences somewhat like the two Georgia retards. We operated a plant in a bad neighborhood and thieves--all black--would try to steal stuff. We caught them and held them for cops. In one case it took the cops one hour and 21 minutes to show up.

Anyway---in the case I'm thinking of, we surprised the thief and I had a shotgun. I ordered him to sit on the ground. Instead he took off. I shouted, "Shoot to kill," and discharged a load of birdshot up in the air. He set a new record scaling our parking lot fence, which was about 12 feet high. He left some clothing on the barbed wire on the top.

Moral: He was committing the crime, not "looked likie someone." I didn't get close enough to tousle with the shotgun. I didn't shoot at him. The bird shot fell harmlessly to the ground. He thought I was shooting at him. Never saw him again.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

I've had a couple of experiences somewhat like the two Georgia retards. We operated a plant in a bad neighborhood and thieves--all black--would try to steal stuff. We caught them and held them for cops. In one case it took the cops one hour and 21 minutes to show up.

Anyway---in the case I'm thinking of, we surprised the thief and I had a shotgun. I ordered him to sit on the ground. Instead he took off. I shouted, "Shoot to kill," and discharged a load of birdshot up in the air. He set a new record scaling our parking lot fence, which was about 12 feet high. He left some clothing on the barbed wire on the top.

Moral: He was committing the crime, not "looked likie someone." I didn't get close enough to tousle with the shotgun. I didn't shoot at him. The bird shot fell harmlessly to the ground. He thought I was shooting at him. Never saw him again.

You're lucky you didn't make the national news for 9 days in a row.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

.. But it's also not murder, since they believed they were acting within their rights to make an arrest, and had no apparent intent to lynch or shoot the fellow,..

... they cannot claim the perfect right of self defense, but rather only an imperfect right, which subjects them to a charge of manslaughter.

It appears They have been charged with Felony murder, § 16-5-1 -

which does not support you imperfect self-defence /manslaughter claim.

Not at all. Often politics is the reason for a murder charge, particularly in a Great White Whale case, i.e., a case where a prosecutor has a chance to convict White folks of murdering a black person.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Are you saying the shooting was premeditated?

Not necessarily. If it was premeditated, the two perps have committed agravated murder.

If it wasn't premeditated, they were trying to detain him illegally and he got killed. In my state such an accidental homicide would get you lots of prison time.

Maybe I need to watch Django Unchained 25 or 30 times until I understand all of this.

No worries there.....the thug probably just hit 90 year old women’s places after that.

Great job!

You did so well for your fellow law-biding citizens.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

I've had a couple of experiences somewhat like the two Georgia retards. We operated a plant in a bad neighborhood and thieves--all black--would try to steal stuff. We caught them and held them for cops. In one case it took the cops one hour and 21 minutes to show up.

Anyway---in the case I'm thinking of, we surprised the thief and I had a shotgun. I ordered him to sit on the ground. Instead he took off. I shouted, "Shoot to kill," and discharged a load of birdshot up in the air. He set a new record scaling our parking lot fence, which was about 12 feet high. He left some clothing on the barbed wire on the top.

Moral: He was committing the crime, not "looked likie someone." I didn't get close enough to tousle with the shotgun. I didn't shoot at him. The bird shot fell harmlessly to the ground. He thought I was shooting at him. Never saw him again.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

I just wonder why the matter is getting more than regional coverage.

14 people were shot in Chicago with five killed yesterday. It's not been on the national news.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/...ot-5-fatally-thursday-may-7-gun-violence

Ever read The Bonfire of the Vanities? These are called by prosecutors Great White Whale cases, and are pursued with utmost gusto. They all want a chance to put a White person behind bars for murdering an innocent black person. The chance is extremely rare, and can be a career maker. The MSM is 100% behind this effort, too, whenever it appears to be a possibility.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Bristoe

I just wonder why the matter is getting more than regional coverage.

14 people were shot in Chicago with five killed yesterday. It's not been on the national news.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/...ot-5-fatally-thursday-may-7-gun-violence

Ever read The Bonfire of the Vanities? These are called by prosecutors Great White Whale cases, and are pursued with utmost gusto. They all want a chance to put a White person behind bars for murdering an innocent black person. The chance is extremely rare, and can be a career maker. The MSM is 100% behind this effort, too, whenever it appears to be a possibility.

Sounds about right.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

.. Often politics is the reason for a murder charge..

Fact remains the standing charges do not support your claim.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Yeah,..since this thread began yesterday, 14 shootings with 5 deaths have occurred in Chicago. None of them have been reported on the national news.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/...ot-5-fatally-thursday-may-7-gun-violence

Hey dipshit, again, your not grasping the captn obvious....

In none of those cases did a retired police officer and his son, who worked for the current DA shoot someone.... and the DA swept it under the rug for several months.... until their “buddy” leaked the tape...

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

I've had a couple of experiences somewhat like the two Georgia retards. We operated a plant in a bad neighborhood and thieves--all black--would try to steal stuff. We caught them and held them for cops. In one case it took the cops one hour and 21 minutes to show up.

Anyway---in the case I'm thinking of, we surprised the thief and I had a shotgun. I ordered him to sit on the ground. Instead he took off. I shouted, "Shoot to kill," and discharged a load of birdshot up in the air. He set a new record scaling our parking lot fence, which was about 12 feet high. He left some clothing on the barbed wire on the top.

Moral: He was committing the crime, not "looked likie someone." I didn't get close enough to tousle with the shotgun. I didn't shoot at him. The bird shot fell harmlessly to the ground. He thought I was shooting at him. Never saw him again.

You're lucky you didn't make the national news for 9 days in a row.

Nope. Didn't injure anybody.

But in a different case, back in the late 1970s, a guy came in the front office and held up the receptionist. My father came out of his office with the 12 gauge. The guy took off and was turning toward my father (who was ordering him to stop) with a small (later proved inoperable) revolver in his hand. Bang. About 200 #6 pellets from about 50 feet. The perp staggered of into an ally, dropping the handgun. Two days later he checked into a hospital.

The cops came by a day later and criticized my father for shooting a perp with #6 birdshot. They gave him 10 rounds of 00 buckshot. I still have those rounds.

Different times, but we NEVER broke any laws or shot at anybldy who was not threatening us. The #6 birdshot guy was the only one who did. The others tried to escape.

Might sum up this incident as simply....

Sometimes when you go looking for trouble................you find it.

Robert Johnson
Junius Thurston
Malik Delphie
Rodrigo Rangel
Demitry Humes

That's the five from last night in Chicago,..not including the other 9 that survived their gunshot wounds. The national news is just coming on. I'm sure we'll hear all about it.

https://graphics.suntimes.com/homicides/?_ga=2.268161100.359989542.1551114885-1053806772.1520361305

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Maybe I need to watch Django Unchained 25 or 30 times until I understand all of this.

You should watch it w/ birdy. He could explain the social implications of slavery and how the Moteasuh tribe of Ghana led the fight against white supremacy. He would enjoy explaining it to you 25 or 30 times.

mike r

And who was the boy genius that shot the video, shared it on line and thought it was a good idea !

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

.. Often politics is the reason for a murder charge..

Fact remains the standing charges do not support your claim.

Standing charges are irrelevant to whether or not this is actually a case of manslaughter or murder. As I said, charges are often politically motivated, particularly when the victim is black and the shooter is White.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Yeah,..since this thread began yesterday, 14 shootings with 5 deaths have occurred in Chicago. None of them have been reported on the national news.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/...ot-5-fatally-thursday-may-7-gun-violence

Hey dipshit, again, your not grasping the captn obvious....

In none of those cases did a retired police officer and his son, who worked for the current DA shoot someone.... and the DA swept it under the rug for several months.... until their “buddy” leaked the tape...

He's hopeless....
Obsessed by the thought that the black man is gonna get him....

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Standing charges are irrelevant to whether or not this is actually a case of manslaughter or murder.

So you are more privi to all the details
of the incident and to the actual motives
for laying a Felony murder charge?

What can you provide that shows the
charge is irrelevant or not justified?

Originally Posted by jimy

And who was the boy genius that shot the video, shared it on line and thought it was a good idea !

It was one of the vigilantes in a chase car following his buddies the shooters.

Good chance in the end they will find the video was leaked from police evidence.
A local radio station ended up with it and posted it on their website...

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Yeah,..since this thread began yesterday, 14 shootings with 5 deaths have occurred in Chicago. None of them have been reported on the national news.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/...ot-5-fatally-thursday-may-7-gun-violence

Hey dipshit, again, your not grasping the captn obvious....

In none of those cases did a retired police officer and his son, who worked for the current DA shoot someone.... and the DA swept it under the rug for several months.... until their “buddy” leaked the tape...

He's hopeless....
Obsessed by the thought that the black man is gonna get him....

You're the one that lives in an area that's 93% Caucasian.

What caused you to become a white separatist?

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Standing charges are irrelevant to whether or not this is actually a case of manslaughter or murder.

So you are more privi to all the details
of the incident and to the actual motives
for laying a Felony murder charge?

What can you provide that shows the
charge is irrelevant or not justified?

I'm going on what's been released so far. As more facts come out, I can be more certain one way or the other.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Yeah,..since this thread began yesterday, 14 shootings with 5 deaths have occurred in Chicago. None of them have been reported on the national news.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/...ot-5-fatally-thursday-may-7-gun-violence

Hey dipshit, again, your not grasping the captn obvious....

In none of those cases did a retired police officer and his son, who worked for the current DA shoot someone.... and the DA swept it under the rug for several months.... until their “buddy” leaked the tape...

He's hopeless....
Obsessed by the thought that the black man is gonna get him....

You're the one that lives in an area that's 93% Caucasian.

What caused you to become a white separatist?

Denied bail.... and no lawyer to represent them...

You’d think a retired DA Investigator could find a defense attorney.....

Your cousins are fugged homer....

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Bristoe

I just wonder why the matter is getting more than regional coverage.

14 people were shot in Chicago with five killed yesterday. It's not been on the national news.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/...ot-5-fatally-thursday-may-7-gun-violence

Ever read The Bonfire of the Vanities? These are called by prosecutors Great White Whale cases, and are pursued with utmost gusto. They all want a chance to put a White person behind bars for murdering an innocent black person. The chance is extremely rare, and can be a career maker. The MSM is 100% behind this effort, too, whenever it appears to be a possibility.

Que Governor Roy Cooper. He did his best to fry Officer Karrick, a Charlotte police officer, after an incident in 2013. Cooper was the N.C. Attorney General at the time. He sent the case to Grand Jury twice, if I remember correctly. His efforts were clearly political. Most local law enforcement hates his guts.

Hey Bristoe, any chance you will catch the Covid?

I think the Trayvon Martin case was cut and dry, the media tried to spin it, and a just verdict was rendered.

They tried the same BS with the Michael Brown case.

This one looks to be quite different.

Why don’t you give us all the ‘inside’ information you have on this case, callnum.

Originally Posted by callnum

Hey Bristoe, any chance you will catch the Covid?

I think you are correct. A video means more violence.....

They wouldn’t hurt innocent white folk, would they?

Originally Posted by hookeye

I think the Trayvon Martin case was cut and dry, the media tried to spin it, and a just verdict was rendered.

They tried the same BS with the Michael Brown case.

This one looks to be quite different.

I haven't heard yet if he was jogging in his hood or not.

Do think folks have the right to do lawful stuff wherever.

But also think people need to think about WTH they are doing.

I don't ride a bike or even walk in booville

That's just asking for it.
Especially after crap like this riles the tribe.

Originally Posted by callnum

Hey Bristoe, any chance you will catch the Covid?

Probably less than the chance of you becoming HIV positive.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Denied bail.... and no lawyer to represent them...

You’d think a retired DA Investigator could find a defense attorney.....

Your cousins are fugged homer....

In the latest twist in the small-town politics of this case, a criminal defense lawyer in Brunswick, Ga., who had informally consulted with the McMichaels, said he was the one who leaked video footage of the shooting.

The video, which surfaced earlier this week, intensified public pressure and was cited by the authorities as an important piece of evidence to support pressing charges.

The lawyer, Alan Tucker, said in a phone interview on Friday that he got the video from the cellphone of the man who had filmed it. He later gave the footage to a local radio station so that the public could see what had happened.

“It wasn’t two men with a Confederate flag in the back of a truck going down the road and shooting a jogger in the back,” he said, citing rumors that he said had fueled tensions in the community.

“It got the truth out there as to what you could see,” he said. “My purpose was not to exonerate them or convict them.”

A local television station, First Coast News, previously reported that Mr. Tucker had consulted with Travis McMichael on his conversations with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, advising him to “keep his mouth shut.” On Friday, Mr. Tucker declined to comment on his conversations with the McMichaels, citing attorney client privilege.

“I’m not going to tell you what I told them or what they told me,” he said, using profanity to say that any conversations — if they occurred, he said — were none of the public’s business.

At times during the interview, a woman could be heard in the background whispering suggested answers to Mr. Tucker. Though NBC News reported that Mr. Tucker was a “family friend” of the McMichaels, a representative for Mr. Tucker said later on Friday afternoon that he was an acquaintance of the family who knew Gregory McMichael from his work at the district attorney’s office.

By Friday afternoon, Mr. Tucker said that it had been decided that he would not be retained as the lawyer for either of the McMichaels and that he did not represent them in any formal capacity.

link?

Originally Posted by hookeye

I haven't heard yet if he was jogging in his hood or not.

Do think folks have the right to do lawful stuff wherever.

But also think people need to think about WTH they are doing.

I don't ride a bike or even walk in booville

That's just asking for it.
Especially after crap like this riles the tribe.

Believe it or not all neighborhoods are not segregated.

It's been said he was one street over from the street that he lived on but about a mile away from his home.

New York Times.

I found it.

Has the New York Times ever had a leftist bias?

Correct thing ta do, is dismiss alla the charges.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

link?

Do I look like your bitch or something?

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Bristoe

link?

Do I look like your bitch or something?

*nodding*,...yeah.

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Bristoe

link?

Do I look like your bitch or something?

I triplicate please. Original sources.

Third party verified as well.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Bristoe

link?

Do I look like your bitch or something?

I triplicate please. Original sources.

Third party verified as well.

Anything for you Big Jim....I'll personally deliver....

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Bristoe

link?

Do I look like your bitch or something?

*nodding*,...yeah.

Why not convict, then just let them out for the upcoming fall corona strain?

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Correct thing ta do, is dismiss alla the charges.

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Bristoe

link?

Do I look like your bitch or something?

I triplicate please. Original sources.

Third party verified as well.

Anything for you Big Jim....I'll personally deliver....

If it aint on the Stormer or UNZ.....it didnt happen.

The burden of proof is quite high.

This story has all of the makings of a great country western song., red necks , pickups, gingers, shotguns and catchy nick names ! The only thing I see that's missing is a set of truck balls !

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Bristoe

link?

Do I look like your bitch or something?

*nodding*,...yeah.

look again sweet cheeks

So,..you saved that pic?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/experts-blog.com/2018/07/16/the-staircase-on-netflix-lawyer-expert-witness-costs-homicide-trial/%3famp

How accurate this is, I dont know. I was curious what this would cost them. Im guessing due to the high profile being placed on it, its more of a Peterson type case... no clue though.

Them dudes are so fugged in all different directions. I wonder how many times they’ve second guessed their choices in the last few days lol....

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Bristoe

link?

Do I look like your bitch or something?

I triplicate please. Original sources.

Third party verified as well.

Anything for you Big Jim....I'll personally deliver....

If it aint on the Stormer or UNZ.....it didnt happen.

The burden of proof is quite high.

I'll drag that peep squeak lawyer all the way to Montana and have him tell ya himself...

who-eee

That would be good Jeff.

Until Colon Flarhatty comes out with a video......there is no way of knowing otherwise.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

https://www.google.com/amp/s/experts-blog.com/2018/07/16/the-staircase-on-netflix-lawyer-expert-witness-costs-homicide-trial/%3famp

How accurate this is, I dont know. I was curious what this would cost them. Im guessing due to the high profile being placed on it, its more of a Peterson type case... no clue though.

Them dudes are so fugged in all different directions. I wonder how many times they’ve second guessed their choices in the last few days lol....

I think they will walk, first on a reduced bail and then years and years down the road when it comes to trial they will be found innocent. No one can say what happened in front of that truck but the two guys that were in front of the truck, who assaulted who first?

One guy is dead, the other will hold to his version of what took place...

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

That would be good Jeff.

Until Colon Flarhatty comes out with a video......there is no way of knowing otherwise.

You know I got the kentucky hillbilly boy on ignore since his posts have been completely off topic.

I just keep getting the old:

"*** You are ignoring this user ***
Toggle the display of this post"

He's jammerin' away so hard it reminds me of skeeters on a hot summer night buzzin' round my head, but they got no bite to um.

But anyway, I'll be making my way toward Montana after it get's too hot here so look out, I might be trespassin' your way one day...

Always welcome!

Somebody would have to cross a big patch of NOA to get from Citrus County Florida to the High Line of Montana.

Better be careful.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Always welcome!

Thanks...my dog too?

Unless the jogroe had a weapon, shotgun boy and his posse are phugged, and should be. There are plenty of real bad guys available if you want to play cop, be warned however, they may fight back.

mike r

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

I've had a couple of experiences somewhat like the two Georgia retards. We operated a plant in a bad neighborhood and thieves--all black--would try to steal stuff. We caught them and held them for cops. In one case it took the cops one hour and 21 minutes to show up.

Anyway---in the case I'm thinking of, we surprised the thief and I had a shotgun. I ordered him to sit on the ground. Instead he took off. I shouted, "Shoot to kill," and discharged a load of birdshot up in the air. He set a new record scaling our parking lot fence, which was about 12 feet high. He left some clothing on the barbed wire on the top.

Moral: He was committing the crime, not "looked likie someone." I didn't get close enough to tousle with the shotgun. I didn't shoot at him. The bird shot fell harmlessly to the ground. He thought I was shooting at him. Never saw him again.

You're lucky you didn't make the national news for 9 days in a row.

Nope. Didn't injure anybody.

But in a different case, back in the late 1970s, a guy came in the front office and held up the receptionist. My father came out of his office with the 12 gauge. The guy took off and was turning toward my father (who was ordering him to stop) with a small (later proved inoperable) revolver in his hand. Bang. About 200 #6 pellets from about 50 feet. The perp staggered of into an ally, dropping the handgun. Two days later he checked into a hospital.

The cops came by a day later and criticized my father for shooting a perp with #6 birdshot. They gave him 10 rounds of 00 buckshot. I still have those rounds.

Different times, but we NEVER broke any laws or shot at anybldy who was not threatening us. The #6 birdshot guy was the only one who did. The others tried to escape.

so you caught a guy committing burglary, pulled a gun on him and told him to stop, he ran and you yelled "shoot to kill".
What would you have done had he turned around and that point and charged you?

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by hookeye

I haven't heard yet if he was jogging in his hood or not.

Do think folks have the right to do lawful stuff wherever.

But also think people need to think about WTH they are doing.

I don't ride a bike or even walk in booville

That's just asking for it.
Especially after crap like this riles the tribe.

Believe it or not all neighborhoods are not segregated.

It's been said he was one street over from the street that he lived on but about a mile away from his home.

I don't live in a segregated hood.

Wish I did.

Grew up in a bigger city, and now live in a burg.
Used to be most of the trouble was in the predominately black areas.

They have dispersed and trouble tends to follow most of em.

Just the way it is.

I go to Indy and Chicago to have fun.
But I aint stupid about it.

Some places you just don't go.

We have a bunch of idiots in my town.

I'd be cool with stupid/rude folks being shot.

Make for a nicer society eventually.

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Always welcome!

Thanks...my dog too?

Sure.

I like doogs.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

.. Often politics is the reason for a murder charge..

Fact remains the standing charges do not support your claim.

Looks like they charged them with both murder and aggravated assault. Prosecutors do this when they believe the murder charge won't stand scrutiny. That allows a jury to find them guilty of the lesser charge, but not murder.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Always welcome!

Thanks...my dog too?

Sure.

I like doogs.

Cool, he's a border collie, he'd luv to chase yer cows around...

Our two dill dogs are English Shepherds.

They will be fine.

Practical cousins.

If you two get a room.....I’ll give you a quarter for the magic-fingers-bed.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Our two dill dogs are English Shepherds.

They will be fine.

Practical cousins.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Looks like they charged them with both murder and aggravated assault. Prosecutors do this when they believe the murder charge won't stand scrutiny. That allows a jury to find them guilty of the lesser charge, but not murder.

is this your 'proof' or justification for your claim
that the Felony murder charge is only politically motivated?

You have not shown that the Felony murder
charge is not justified within the law.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

If you two get a room.....I’ll give you a quarter for the vibo-bed.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Our two dill dogs are English Shepherds.

They will be fine.

Practical cousins.

If the bed started vibrating my dog would eat it.
He's already ate one of those fancy "My Pillow" pillow's I bought to help the dude out that was making the face masks.

Do you honestly believe the ‘non-shooter’ will be convicted of murder?

Seriously?

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Looks like they charged them with both murder and aggravated assault. Prosecutors do this when they believe the murder charge won't stand scrutiny. That allows a jury to find them guilty of the lesser charge, but not murder.

is this your 'proof' or justification for your claim
that the Felony murder charge is politically motivated?

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Do you honestly believe the ‘non-shooter’ will be convicted of murder?

Seriously?

Do you realize TRH was orig. refering only
to McMichael Jnr. with the shotgun?
(ie) that it would only be manslaughter
In his case?.. do you buy that?
.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Looks like they charged them with both murder and aggravated assault. Prosecutors do this when they believe the murder charge won't stand scrutiny. That allows a jury to find them guilty of the lesser charge, but not murder.

is this your 'proof' or justification for your claim
that the Felony murder charge is only politically motivated?

There was a link to a three page document posted here but the link isn't working now.
It had the local County Attorneys header on the pages where he stated why there had been no arrest. It wasn't defensive, it was his original determination.
He found it to be self defense, and he had a explanation as to why.
I'm sure it will come back out and possibly even hold in court if the case is far enough down the road that all the hot heads have had time to cool off and forget about this case.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Do you honestly believe the ‘non-shooter’ will be convicted of murder?

Seriously?

Do you realize TRH was orig. refering only
to McMichael Jnr. with the shotgun?
(ie) that it would only be manslaughter
In his case?.. do you buy that?
.

Them......them......them

Originally Posted by TRH

Looks like they charged ’them’ with both murder and aggravated assault. Prosecutors do this when they believe the murder charge won't stand scrutiny. That allows a jury to find them guilty of the lesser charge, but not murder.

TRH conveniently included the others in a later post...
as I said and you can find for yourself,
TRH orig. mentioned only McMichael Jnr.
with the shotgun - with his claim of manslaughter
through his theory of 'imperfect self defence.'

Ok, noted.

Why do you think aggravated assault was included in the charges?

Doesn’t murder pretty much cover it?

Originally Posted by Starman

TRH conveniently included the others in a later post... as I said and you can find for yourself,
TRH orig. mentioned onllybmcmichael Jnr.
with the shotgun.

Prosecutors are able to seek capitol punishment in Felony murder
cases if the required 'aggravating' factor/circumstance is proven to exist.

(ie) that the victim was murdered during the commission of such
an underlying felony of 'aggravated assault'.

Son gets murder, dad gets aggravated assault in the end.... as well as a $500k+ bill.

I think they will add more charges soon.

My money is on Voluntary manslaughter for the younger inbred dipstick. Some lesser conviction for older inbred dipstick.

Jackass's know how to give the liberal left some serious ammo.
I'm sure the brother wasn't a choir boy, but he will be remembered as such.

PS: there are some racist retards on this sight. I think some people need to get their wells checked for high nitrates.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Looks like they charged them with both murder and aggravated assault. Prosecutors do this when they believe the murder charge won't stand scrutiny. That allows a jury to find them guilty of the lesser charge, but not murder.

is this your 'proof' or justification for your claim
that the Felony murder charge is only politically motivated?

You have not shown that the Felony murder
charge is not justified within the law.

I never mentioned felony murder. Do you know what felony murder is?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Looks like they charged them with both murder and aggravated assault. Prosecutors do this when they believe the murder charge won't stand scrutiny.

Best you go and assure the defendants that
Prosecutors are not using aggravated assault felony
to qualify for lethal injection
rather than just serving time.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

I never mentioned felony murder. Do you know what felony murder is?

Correct you didn't I mentioned it...now can you provide
your evidence that the standing charge of F/murder is
politically motivated, which you seem to have suggested
is the case.

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by Mannlicher

More stupid white guys.

Truer words were never spoken. Looks like straight up murder to me, but since the Vic was black some here seem okay with it.

Yep. Except I would say, "Stupid racist white guys." Life in prison without parole. I'm against the death penalty, otherwise this would qualify.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Looks like they charged them with both murder and aggravated assault. Prosecutors do this when they believe the murder charge won't stand scrutiny. That allows a jury to find them guilty of the lesser charge, but not murder.

is this your 'proof' or justification for your claim
that the Felony murder charge is only politically motivated?

You have not shown that the Felony murder
charge is not justified within the law.

I never mentioned felony murder. Do you know what felony murder is?

Georgia has a felony murder statute, and that was the charge. Not murder but Felony Murder.

Having a limited view of what happened even after watching the video I believe it will be shown at trial that there was no intent to kill when the jogger was accosted. The non shooter looks to be pretty well in the clear for anything serious if there is a good attorney representing him. I am sure the white boy doing the shooting did it out of fear after his stupid behavior got him into way more than he bargained for. His first shot may have been accidental and the thought of having your only firearm taken away by a stronger opponent would be a huge motivation to hold on to it whatever it took. Especially if you knew it was loaded with buckshot. There is big time civil liability and depending on state law it will probably fit some sort of criminal homicide statute. You can bet the father and son neighborhood watch enforcers are really sorry they got mixed up in this by now.

As to all this fussing about blacks killing folks in Chicago and their depredations elsewhere, what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China. How about we stipulate that blacks do commit a disproportionate share of crime in most cities and let it go. They are here to stay and you might as well accept it.

Well I think we can all agree those two dumfuggs have, as stated, provided abundant ammo for the Left 😡

JR. rolls on the old man pleas to manslaughter.

The old man gets 2nd degree murder.

There are 2 less gun toting white hillbillies walking the streets.

Bristoe realizes not to be afraid of all black folk.

Win for everyone.

Originally Posted by Paddler

Yep. Except I would say, "Stupid racist white guys." Life in prison without parole. I'm against the death penalty, otherwise this would qualify.

I am sort of against the death penalty for a variety of reasons such as it almost never being carried out, it not being a public hanging for deterrent effect, and mostly because an innocent person may be killed. Not to mention all the money expended for a punishment that never comes at least not in this state.

Originally Posted by Hastings

As to all this fussing about blacks killing folks in Chicago and their depredations elsewhere, what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China.

It's got to do with the difference between how the media covers blacks killing whites as opposed to whites killing blacks.

You hear about it on a national level for days every time whites kill blacks. (a very rare occurrence)

You never hear about it on a national level when blacks kill whites. (a far from rare occurrence)

This thread is an easily discerned dividing line.

The folks that couldn't help punching on the keyboard "racist" in their first few posts, and those that didn't...

Originally Posted by Hastings

Having a limited view of what happened even after watching the video I believe it will be shown at trial that there was no intent to kill when the jogger was accosted. The non shooter looks to be pretty well in the clear for anything serious if there is a good attorney representing him. I am sure the white boy doing the shooting did it out of fear after his stupid behavior got him into way more than he bargained for. His first shot may have been accidental and the thought of having your only firearm taken away by a stronger opponent would be a huge motivation to hold on to it whatever it took. Especially if you knew it was loaded with buckshot. There is big time civil liability and depending on state law it will probably fit some sort of criminal homicide statute. You can bet the father and son neighborhood watch enforcers are really sorry they got mixed up in this by now.

As to all this fussing about blacks killing folks in Chicago and their depredations elsewhere, what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China. How about we stipulate that blacks do commit a disproportionate share of crime in most cities and let it go. They are here to stay and you might as well accept it.

Hastings, none of that matters.

They were charged with Felony Murder. All the prosecutor has to show is they were committing a felony when the kid died, and both probably get life in prison.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Hastings

As to all this fussing about blacks killing folks in Chicago and their depredations elsewhere, what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China.

It's got to do with the difference between how the media covers blacks killing whites as opposed to whites killing blacks.

You hear about it on a national level for days every time whites kill blacks. (a very rare occurrence)

You never hear about it on a national level when blacks kill whites. (a far from rare occurrence)

I think Mark Twain commented on this with some remark about it not being news when a dog bites a man but is big news when a man bites a dog. You are right that black on black homicides are very common and black on white crimes fairly common while whites attacking blacks is uncommon. Thus news worthy. But I would agree that more sympathy for blacks attacked by whites is unwarranted. All crime victims should receive society's sympathy and support. Blacks are not leaving and going back to Africa and as a matter of fact most of them carry more Caucasian genetics than you imagine. Might as well get used to them and make the best of it. We've got plenty of white trash to deal with and American Native trash also

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Hastings

As to all this fussing about blacks killing folks in Chicago and their depredations elsewhere, what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China.

It's got to do with the difference between how the media covers blacks killing whites as opposed to whites killing blacks.

You hear about it on a national level for days every time whites kill blacks. (a very rare occurrence)

You never hear about it on a national level when blacks kill whites. (a far from rare occurrence)

I think Mark Twain commented on this with some remark about it not being news when a dog bites a man but is big news when a man bites a dog.

No,...

A narrative is being pushed by the media that maniacal Caucasians are running loose through the country murdering poor, helpless black people.

It's not incidental.

It's a deliberate agenda and it's a lie.

The truth is exactly the opposite.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Hastings

As to all this fussing about blacks killing folks in Chicago and their depredations elsewhere, what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China.

It's got to do with the difference between how the media covers blacks killing whites as opposed to whites killing blacks.

You hear about it on a national level for days every time whites kill blacks. (a very rare occurrence)

You never hear about it on a national level when blacks kill whites. (a far from rare occurrence)

Well since it happened on 2/23 and we are just talking about it now.... again doofus, the story isnt white guys kill black guy... the story is white guys with connections to DA kill black guy, DA gives southern justice and sweeps it under the rug..

Like I said before, your kissin cousins fugged you and a lot of gun owners.... they helped script the anti gun narrative... when really it should be anti fat sloppy southern retard racist redneck narrative.

Fyi - Im picturing you as Ethan in American History X.. physically and mentally, Im certain that character was based on you.

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Originally Posted by Ejp1234

the story isnt white guys kill black guy.

Yes it is.

You just can't reason it out.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by Hastings

Having a limited view of what happened even after watching the video I believe it will be shown at trial that there was no intent to kill when the jogger was accosted. The non shooter looks to be pretty well in the clear for anything serious if there is a good attorney representing him. I am sure the white boy doing the shooting did it out of fear after his stupid behavior got him into way more than he bargained for. His first shot may have been accidental and the thought of having your only firearm taken away by a stronger opponent would be a huge motivation to hold on to it whatever it took. Especially if you knew it was loaded with buckshot. There is big time civil liability and depending on state law it will probably fit some sort of criminal homicide statute. You can bet the father and son neighborhood watch enforcers are really sorry they got mixed up in this by now.

As to all this fussing about blacks killing folks in Chicago and their depredations elsewhere, what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China. How about we stipulate that blacks do commit a disproportionate share of crime in most cities and let it go. They are here to stay and you might as well accept it.

Hastings, none of that matters.

They were charged with Felony Murder. All the prosecutor has to show is they were committing a felony when the kid died, and both probably get life in prison.

You may be right ,Georgia state law prevails in this case and I do good to keep up with Louisiana law. There is always the chance of getting some hardheads on a jury that see things their own way.

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by Paddler

Yep. Except I would say, "Stupid racist white guys." Life in prison without parole. I'm against the death penalty, otherwise this would qualify.

I am sort of against the death penalty for a variety of reasons such as it almost never being carried out, it not being a public hanging for deterrent effect, and mostly because an innocent person may be killed. Not to mention all the money expended for a punishment that never comes at least not in this state.

Lots of reasons to oppose the death penalty, no good reason to support it. I've come to the view that murder is just wrong, no matter if committed by an individual or the state.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Hastings

As to all this fussing about blacks killing folks in Chicago and their depredations elsewhere, what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China.

It's got to do with the difference between how the media covers blacks killing whites as opposed to whites killing blacks.

You hear about it on a national level for days every time whites kill blacks. (a very rare occurrence)

You never hear about it on a national level when blacks kill whites. (a far from rare occurrence)

Well since it happened on 2/23 and we are just talking about it now.... again doofus, the story isnt white guys kill black guy... the story is white guys with connections to DA kill black guy, DA gives southern justice and sweeps it under the rug..

Like I said before, your kissin cousins fugged you and a lot of gun owners.... they helped script the anti gun narrative... when really it should be anti fat sloppy southern retard racist redneck narrative.

Fyi - Im picturing you as Ethan in American History X.. physically and mentally, I'm certain that character was based on you.

Yep.

If you need any more evidence, here's Paddler just in time to push the narrative.

Originally Posted by Hastings

You may be right ,Georgia state law prevails in this case and I do good to keep up with Louisiana law. There is always the chance of getting some hardheads on a jury that see things their own way.

They will both be convicted and get life.

The sentencing will be broadcast for two days on national media outlets with detailed accounts of the original event.

Originally Posted by Paddler

Lots of reasons to oppose the death penalty, no good reason to support it. I've come to the view that murder is just wrong, no matter if committed by an individual or the state.

Wrong. There are lots of good reasons someone should suffer the ignominy of a public graphic yet fairly humane execution like hanging or being shot. There should be absolutely no doubt of guilt and a fast track to the U.S, Supreme Court. Cruel killings of helpless people comes to mind as a worthy case. It's just the way things are handled now and the gentle anesthesia method after a several decade wait that seems so ridiculous. Think of the deterrent effect of watching on TV a child rapist/murderer dropped with a rope on his neck or tied to a post and shot. My opposition is not to the killing itself as it is to the long wait and the unjust convictions.

It’s interesting to see how, where you come from, colors how we interpret the video. Typical white guys (me included) tend to think, despite these idiots with weapons confronting the guy,...”if the black guy just stopped and talked to them and waited for the cops, all would have been fine”. People of color (fair minded I will say) tend to see rednecks wanting to shoot a black man for “jogging” in the neighborhood, leaving him forced to fight for his life. It’s just fascinating how we all interpret what we see through a prism of our own personal world view. There is much we don’t know about this situation, that will be gathered in the investigation. It will add context, nuance and detail and be brought out in a court of law. I hope truth and justice prevail without regard for social consequence, one way or the other.
It also is a real life example of the terrible responsibility that it is to carry a weapon in any kind of confrontation. it’s one thing that makes me hesitant in carrying a concealed weapon. I am not sure, in a highly charged emotional event, that I would not be tempted to use a weapon unwisely and end up putting myself in great legal jeopardy.

If the dead dudes prints come up as a match for the homes burgled, it may bolster the white dumb-dumbs chances at a self-defense claim. On the other hand, if the black dude is clean, hillbillies are probably gonna burn.

😎

Originally Posted by JeffA

There was a link to a three page document posted here but the link isn't working now.
It had the local County Attorneys header on the pages where he stated why there had been no arrest. It wasn't defensive, it was his original determination.
He found it to be self defense, and he had a explanation as to why.
I'm sure it will come back out and possibly even hold in court..

did it more or less go something like this?..... >>

[quote....
The prosecutor assigned to Mr. Arbery’s shooting concluded
that the McMichaels were legally carrying their guns under Georgia’s
open carry law and were within their rights to chase Mr. Arbery under
the citizen’s arrest statute. Relying on Gregory McMichael’s statement
and a cellphone video, he wrote in a letter to the Glynn County
Police Department that Mr. Arbery initiated the struggle by trying
to take the shotgun from Travis McMichael.

And he suggested the two armed men were right to be
suspicious and afraid of Mr. Arbery because he had an “aggressive nature”
and prior convictions—[which the Times reports were for shoplifting
and a probation violation] . He concluded that Travis McMichael
was “allowed to use deadly force to protect himself” under Georgia’s
“stand your ground” law and should not be arrested or charged
for killing Mr. Arbery.—
... end quote]

Well, The claim that they were within their rights to persue
Arbery under the citizens arrest statute has since been
brought into serious question., 911 call records show
they were unable to tell LE what crime they had witnessed
him commit.

Originally Posted by Beaver10

If the dead dudes prints come up as a match for the homes burgled, it may bolster the white dumb-dumbs chances at a self-defense claim. On the other hand, if the black dude is clean, hillbillies are probably gonna burn.

😎

Do we know there ARE any prints?

The usual complaint is “I called the Sheriff and all they did is take a report.” No slam on the Law, I would guess securing a crime scene, collecting evidence, documenting everything etc takes considerable man hours they don’t have.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by JeffA

There was a link to a three page document posted here but the link isn't working now.
It had the local County Attorneys header on the pages where he stated why there had been no arrest. It wasn't defensive, it was his original determination.
He found it to be self defense, and he had a explanation as to why.
I'm sure it will come back out and possibly even hold in court..

did it more or less go something like this?..... >>

[quote....
The prosecutor assigned to Mr. Arbery’s shooting concluded
that the McMichaels were legally carrying their guns under Georgia’s
open carry law and were within their rights to chase Mr. Arbery under
the citizen’s arrest statute. Relying on Gregory McMichael’s statement
and a cellphone video, he wrote in a letter to the Glynn County
Police Department that Mr. Arbery initiated the struggle by trying
to take the shotgun from Travis McMichael.

And he suggested the two armed men were right to be
suspicious and afraid of Mr. Arbery because he had an “aggressive nature”
and prior convictions—[which the Times reports were for shoplifting
and a probation violation] . He concluded that Travis McMichael
was “allowed to use deadly force to protect himself” under Georgia’s
“stand your ground” law and should not be arrested or charged
for killing Mr. Arbery.—
... end quote]

Well, The claim that they were within their rights to persue
Arbery under the citizens arrest statute has since been
brought into serious question., 911 call records show
they were unable to tell LE what crime they had witnessed
him commit.

Yeah, that summarizes it.
I'd guess that he will stick with that since it's already documented as their stance.

This part is so naive for a prosecutor to even suggest....

Quote

prosecutor assigned to Mr. Arbery’s shooting..............suggested the two armed men were right to be suspicious and afraid of Mr. Arbery because he had an “aggressive nature” and prior convictions

The McMichaels would have had no idea how aggressive Arbery might be prior to this confrontation and they sure as hell didn't know anything of possible prior convictions, the prosecutor is a douche.

But there is more to come...probably a ton more..

One thing is there is another 911 call going down while all this other schit was happening.
A neighbor saw a guy trespassing at this home that was under construction and was on the phone with 911 telling them there was a black dude with a white shirt on running from the site.

They musta really been payin attention to know a random black dude at a construction site in the middle of the afternoon wasn't suppose to be there..

Of course the other 911 call was the senior McMichaels, he had called when he got out of the truck and moved behind it, he was speaking with 911 operators as his son shot Arbery.

There is just so much BS out there right now it's barely worth mention. I'm thinking the County Attorneys statement and the 911 calls are documented so they are gonna stick around as this case progresses.

So anyway, the other neighbor on the phone with 911 was a documented witness to the supposed crime in progress, if that will cover the McMichaels reaction to a crime requirement idunno.....

Earlier on, after the crime started stepping up in their neighborhood, Travis McMichael had taken a hit for a handgun he'd left in a pickup at his house. So he had a personal ax to grind as well as a reason to think that if he was on the right guy he may very well have a handgun on him... He had reported that crime as a 9mm pistol being stolen on January 1st.

The supposed theft from the home under construction had never been reported to law enforcement.
Larry English, the man building the home in the McMichaels’ neighborhood, said someone stole $2,500 in fishing gear from him earlier this year.

Surveillance video of Ahmaud Arbery at this house would be damming but not necessarily everything the McMichaels need right now.

In the long run, I doubt the McMichaels will suffer much from the state as far as legal penalties are concerned. As high profile as this case is going to be they very well may get a law firm looking for fame and fortune to support them for free.

But no matter, their lives shall never be the same.

Originally Posted by JeffA

A neighbor saw a guy trespassing at this home that was under construction and was on the phone with 911 telling them there was a black dude with a white shirt on running from the site.

They musta really been payin attention to know a random black dude at a construction site in the middle of the afternoon wasn't suppose to be there..

Not really exceptional, people who are home all day, ‘specially those who grew up in the pre-WiFi age, get bored and sit outside a lot.

If you go looking for trouble don’t be surprised if you find it.

So, repeated neighborhood thefts are just a way of life.....eh.

This whole thing stinks and will continue to stink.

Still do not understand why the kid ran down the middle of the road, if he was guilty of something. No way those guys catch him on foot.

Originally Posted by Mike_S

If you go looking for trouble don’t be surprised if you find it.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

So, repeated neighborhood thefts are just a way of life.....eh.

This whole thing stinks and will continue to stink.

Still do not understand why the kid ran down the middle of the road, if he was guilty of something. No way those guys catch him on foot.

Originally Posted by Mike_S

If you go looking for trouble don’t be surprised if you find it.

Well they caught him alright. How’s that working out.

Originally Posted by Mike_S

If you go looking for trouble don’t be surprised if you find it.

^^^^^This^^^^

Originally Posted by Bristoe

No,...

A narrative is being pushed by the media that maniacal Caucasians are running loose through the country murdering poor, helpless black people.

It's not incidental.

It's a deliberate agenda and it's a lie.

The truth is exactly the opposite.

Precisely.

I'd like to know what transpired prior to the video recording. I'd also like to know why the man recording the video was following the guy.

Then I'd like to tell those two idiots with firearms how dumb they are.

"The McMichaels would have had no idea how aggressive Arbery might be prior to this confrontation and they sure as hell didn't know anything of possible prior convictions, the prosecutor is a douche."

The father, back when he was a cop, was the one who arrested the black kid, back when he was in high school.

They're NOT cops, don't be a pencil dick running around trying to make citizens arrest, the fuggin guy was jogging, stay on his ass and call the coppers, tail him with coppers on phone if he makes it to his vehicle, so easy a caveman can do it, and not have to go to court/jail and lose all his chit for being a dumbfu-k!

Originally Posted by simonkenton7

The father, back when he was a cop, was the one who arrested the black kid, back when he was in high school.

What had he been arrested for in High School?

to me this looks like a case of a redneck ex-cop trying to show his friends and family how its done and proceeding to f uck up bigly. kind of a "hold my beer" kind of deal. porky and porky jr need to go to jail for being negligent, murderous dipschits. and they might as well just leave the front door unlocked cause black kids family will be measuring for drapes for their new crib shortly.

I heard a long story on the radio yesterday on this. He was arrested twice previously, at least twice. One time was for shoplifting.

Originally Posted by JeffA

This part is so naive for a prosecutor to even suggest....

Quote

prosecutor assigned to Mr. Arbery’s shooting..............suggested the two armed men were right to be suspicious and afraid of Mr. Arbery because he had an “aggressive nature” and prior convictions

The McMichaels would have had no idea how aggressive Arbery might be prior to this confrontation and they sure as hell didn't know anything of possible prior convictions, the prosecutor is a douche.

A good trial lawyer can make their counties best prosecutors look like clowns with stupid little comments such as that..

Georgia man charged with killing Ahmaud Arbery previously investigated him

Quote

When Arbery, 25, was in high school, he was sentenced to five years’ probation as a first offender on charges of carrying a weapon on campus, and several counts of obstructing a law enforcement officer, the paper reported.

McMichael claimed to cops he recognized Arbery from surveillance video capturing a recent burglary in his mostly white neighborhood — and that he intended to make a citizen’s arrest, the paper reported.

“It appears Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael and [neighbor] William Bryan were following in hot pursuit of a burglary suspect with solid first-hand probable cause,” Barnhill wrote in a letter to Glynn County police Capt. Tom Jump. “Arbery initiated the fight. … At that point, Arbery grabbed the shotgun (that Travis McMichael was holding). Under Georgia law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.”

Originally Posted by akasparky

Originally Posted by simonkenton7

The father, back when he was a cop, was the one who arrested the black kid, back when he was in high school.

What had he been arrested for in High School?

It’s up in this thread somewhere, when he was 19 he brung a .380 to a basketball game, or tried to, a parent said they saw it, seems just as likely someone told the caller he had it on him, that’s the way most high school students get busted for weapons.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Georgia man charged with killing Ahmaud Arbery previously investigated him

[quote]When Arbery, 25, was in high school, he was sentenced to five years’ probation as a first offender on charges of carrying a weapon on campus, and several counts of obstructing a law enforcement officer, the paper reported.

McMichael claimed to cops he recognized Arbery from surveillance video capturing a recent burglary in his mostly white neighborhood — and that he intended to make a citizen’s arrest, the paper reported.

“It appears Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael and [neighbor] William Bryan were following in hot pursuit of a burglary suspect with solid first-hand probable cause,” Barnhill wrote in a letter to Glynn County police Capt. Tom Jump. “Arbery initiated the fight. … At that point, Arbery grabbed the shotgun (that Travis McMichael was holding). Under Georgia law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.”

Yeah, that story isn't true...Just fake news...
But his first name was Ahmaud and he was black, close enough for some I'd suppose..

Police: Man brought gun to high school basketball game
Officer in Brunswick stops 19-year-old man with loaded gun

Glynn County Detention Center booking photo of Ahmaud Avery

BRUNSWICK, Ga. 2013 – A quick acting police officer in Brunswick stopped a teenager with a loaded gun from entering a high school basketball game Tuesday night.

Police arrested 19-year-old Ahmaud Marquez Avery (pictured below), who is not a student at Brunswick.

"The man ran through the parking lot. I tried to get him to stop as well. He would not stop for us," said Glynn County Schools Chief of Police, Rod Ellis. "We ended up chasing him to the back of the school were other officers helped us apprehend him."

Ellis said the .380 caliber semi-automatic handgun slipped out of the teen's pants.

A parent, who did not want to be identified, told Channel 4 he saw the gun as he was about to enter the school gym. He said police were everywhere.

"They were trying to keep everyone calm and away from the gun that was on the ground. They wouldn't let anyone in or out of the gym," said the parent.

The basketball game continued without interruption while police arrested Avery.

"The main thing is we stopped him from getting into the event," Ellis said. "We don't know what his intentions were but you know it's never a good combination when you bring a weapon to a school event clearly when it's posted that you can't."

At Friday night's basketball game, Chief Ellis said they added more officers and from now on, every person will be scanned with a metal detecting wand.

Police said Avery is out of jail on bond.

Two of the police officers suffered injuries. One has been treated for a fractured hand.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/2013/12/09/police-man-brought-gun-to-high-school-basketball-game/

CNN is reporting the same about weapon on campus.

CNN

Originally Posted by akasparky

[quote=MIKEWERNER] Georgia man charged with killing Ahmaud Arbery previously investigated him

Quote

When Arbery, 25, was in high school, he was sentenced to five years’ probation as a first offender on charges of carrying a weapon on campus, and several counts of obstructing a law enforcement officer, the paper reported.

McMichael claimed to cops he recognized Arbery from surveillance video capturing a recent burglary in his mostly white neighborhood — and that he intended to make a citizen’s arrest, the paper reported.

“It appears Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael and [neighbor] William Bryan were following in hot pursuit of a burglary suspect with solid first-hand probable cause,” Barnhill wrote in a letter to Glynn County police Capt. Tom Jump. “Arbery initiated the fight. … At that point, Arbery grabbed the shotgun (that Travis McMichael was holding). Under Georgia law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.”

Yeah, that story isn't true...Just fake news...
But his first name was Ahmaud and he was black, close enough for some I'd suppose..

Police: Man brought gun to high school basketball game
Officer in Brunswick stops 19-year-old man with loaded gun

Glynn County Detention Center booking photo of Ahmaud Avery

BRUNSWICK, Ga. 2013 – A quick acting police officer in Brunswick stopped a teenager with a loaded gun from entering a high school basketball game Tuesday night.

Police arrested 19-year-old Ahmaud Marquez Avery (pictured below), who is not a student at Brunswick.

"The man ran through the parking lot. I tried to get him to stop as well. He would not stop for us," said Glynn County Schools Chief of Police, Rod Ellis. "We ended up chasing him to the back of the school were other officers helped us apprehend him."

Ellis said the .380 caliber semi-automatic handgun slipped out of the teen's pants.

A parent, who did not want to be identified, told Channel 4 he saw the gun as he was about to enter the school gym. He said police were everywhere.

"They were trying to keep everyone calm and away from the gun that was on the ground. They wouldn't let anyone in or out of the gym," said the parent.

The basketball game continued without interruption while police arrested Avery.

"The main thing is we stopped him from getting into the event," Ellis said. "We don't know what his intentions were but you know it's never a good combination when you bring a weapon to a school event clearly when it's posted that you can't."

At Friday night's basketball game, Chief Ellis said they added more officers and from now on, every person will be scanned with a metal detecting wand.

Police said Avery is out of jail on bond.

Two of the police officers suffered injuries. One has been treated for a fractured hand.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/2013/12/09/police-man-brought-gun-to-high-school-basketball-game/

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

CNN is reporting the same about weapon on campus.

Well then, if it's on CNN it's gotta be true....

Makes it hard don't it?

I'm gonna stick to the old 2013 news story I dredged up online of the event until it's proven false.

After all, it was written prior to any of these current events....

Quote

The Brunswick News has reported Arbery was indicted for allegedly bringing a gun to a 2013 high school basketball game when he was 19. Family attorney Lee Merritt has acknowledged Arbery's 2018 arrest on shoplifting charges. But any reference to "alleged conduct from high school or shoplifting is absurd and has nothing to do with his murder," Merritt said.

"We've been here before" whether it's Tamir Rice or Trayvon Martin," said Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Arbery's father. "When they kill our children, they then try to assassinate their character and I know they're going to do that with Ahmaud Arbery."

Ahmaud Marquez Arbery......same middle name as...

Ahmaud Marquez Avery

Strange, huh?

Originally Posted by Paddler

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by Paddler

Yep. Except I would say, "Stupid racist white guys." Life in prison without parole. I'm against the death penalty, otherwise this would qualify.

I am sort of against the death penalty for a variety of reasons such as it almost never being carried out, it not being a public hanging for deterrent effect, and mostly because an innocent person may be killed. Not to mention all the money expended for a punishment that never comes at least not in this state.

Lots of reasons to oppose the death penalty, no good reason to support it. I've come to the view that murder is just wrong, no matter if committed by an individual or the state.

If someone kills my family I want them dead. It's hard for me to believe if someone rapes and kills your daughter that you don't want to see them die. Preferably I'd like to kill them myself.

Ahmaud Marquez Arbery......same middle name as...

Ahmaud Marquez Avery

Strange, huh?

Originally Posted by akasparky

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

CNN is reporting the same about weapon on campus.

Well then, if it's on CNN it's gotta be true....

Makes it hard don't it?

I'm gonna stick to the old 2013 news story I dredged up online of the event until it's proven false.

After all, it was written prior to any of these current events....

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From said video it appears Ahmaud Arbery was running along the right side of the McMichael truck then abruptly turns 90 degrees to the left and attacks Travis McMichael who was standing at the front left corner of the truck .

Arbery’s mental health records & prior convictions help explain his apparent aggressive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack an armed man.

Barnhill DA

Prior convictions, charges, or even just investigations into the deceased are not relevant.... he’s the victim, not the charged.

The video shows exactly what is relevant..... two citizens in the road blocking it, armed, and confrontational.

The 911 call they made just prior spells it out even further.... someone is jogging by who fits a description of a suspect for a previous crime that had been committed a month prior....

What the deceased did in high school, when he was 25 at the time of his death, so reasonable to say 6-7yrs later... has 0, literally 0 to do with reason for dumb and dumber to shoot him.

Wish the kid was NOT killed....but both sides acted stupidly when things escalated. Now it is letter of the law that likely will become letter of politics.

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Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law , McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

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Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law , McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.

The recused DA states this... however, no one can say for certain Arbery grabbed the gun before dumb dumb jr initiated an attack, its blocked by the truck and off tape at that. Which is exactly why the GBI arrested them and pressed charges.

Wait......now you’re saying the video does NOT show everything?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

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Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law , McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.

The recused DA states this... however, no one can say for certain Arbery grabbed the gun before dumb dumb jr initiated an attack, its blocked by the truck and off tape at that. Which is exactly why the GBI arrested them and pressed charges.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Wait......now you’re saying the video does NOT show everything?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

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Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law , McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.

The recused DA states this... however, no one can say for certain Arbery grabbed the gun before dumb dumb jr initiated an attack, its blocked by the truck and off tape at that. Which is exactly why the GBI arrested them and pressed charges.

No... im saying it doesnt show what you want it to show.... it doesnt show the deceased grabbing the gun first...

It does show dumb & dumber blocking him while armed with guns, while being chased by their buddy who you can hear putting one in the chamber.... and then dumb dumb jr shooting him while in a scuffle...

It doesnt show the deceased initiating contact however.

What if another 911 call took place, giving the victims description......coming out of a construction site, illegal trespass?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Prior convictions, charges, or even just investigations into the deceased are not relevant.... he’s the victim, not the charged.

The video shows exactly what is relevant..... two citizens in the road blocking it, armed, and confrontational.

The 911 call they made just prior spells it out even further.... someone is jogging by who fits a description of a suspect for a previous crime that had been committed a month prior....

What the deceased did in high school, when he was 25 at the time of his death, so reasonable to say 6-7yrs later... has 0, literally 0 to do with reason for dumb and dumber to shoot him.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

What if another 911 call took place, giving the victims description......coming out of a construction site?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Prior convictions, charges, or even just investigations into the deceased are not relevant.... he’s the victim, not the charged.

The video shows exactly what is relevant..... two citizens in the road blocking it, armed, and confrontational.

The 911 call they made just prior spells it out even further.... someone is jogging by who fits a description of a suspect for a previous crime that had been committed a month prior....

What the deceased did in high school, when he was 25 at the time of his death, so reasonable to say 6-7yrs later... has 0, literally 0 to do with reason for dumb and dumber to shoot him.

Your right, they should have def shot him then.....

Fugging idiot...

911: whats your emergency

Caller: Yes, there is a black guy leaving a construction site.

911: you should go chase him down with guns and shoot him so he doesnt get away before the cops arrive.

Said no one ever.

You can twist it all you’d like. Call me racist if it makes you feel better.

Facts are coming out. Stupid actions, both sides. Wish no one had been killed or arrested.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

What if another 911 call took place, giving the victims description......coming out of a construction site?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Prior convictions, charges, or even just investigations into the deceased are not relevant.... he’s the victim, not the charged.

The video shows exactly what is relevant..... two citizens in the road blocking it, armed, and confrontational.

The 911 call they made just prior spells it out even further.... someone is jogging by who fits a description of a suspect for a previous crime that had been committed a month prior....

What the deceased did in high school, when he was 25 at the time of his death, so reasonable to say 6-7yrs later... has 0, literally 0 to do with reason for dumb and dumber to shoot him.

Your right, they should have def shot him then.....

Fugging idiot...

If it comes down to them proving this x cop did know exactly who the kid was before he chased him down it's not gonna be a good thing for him.

He could have easily given his information from the security camera he had been viewing to the police and let them deal with it....

He could be more screwed than it appears...

Possible......but perhaps you should check citizen arrest laws for that State. You may be surprised.

Originally Posted by akasparky

If it comes down to them proving this x cop did know exactly who the kid was before he chased him down it's not gonna be a good thing for him.

He could have easily given his information from the security camera he had been viewing to the police and let them deal with it....

He could be more screwed than it appears...

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Prior convictions, charges, or even just investigations into the deceased are not relevant.... he’s the victim, not the charged.

It's relevant. In a lethal force self-defense claim before the court, the dead man's criminal record (if it involves violence, even tangentially) is relevant because it lends credence to the claim that his behavior during the struggle leading to his death was such as to place an ordinary person in fear of imminent, and potentially deadly, violence. The logic goes: if he engaged in criminal violence before, that shows a pattern that supports the claim that he was behaving similarly on the day in question.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Facts are coming out.

That is a big leap right now, idunno if anything that is currently being written by any news source could be called a fact.

Way down the road until we get what might be close to facts...

That's why I want to cling to my old 2013 news story and it appears it is more than in question...

Cannot disagree with you there.

Originally Posted by akasparky

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Facts are coming out.

That is a big leap right now, idunno if anything that is currently being written by any news source could be called a fact.

Way down the road until we get what might be close to facts...

That's why I want to cling to my old 2013 news story and it appears it is more than in question...

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

911: whats your emergency

Caller: Yes, there is a black guy leaving a construction site.

911: you should go chase him down with guns and shoot him so he doesnt get away before the cops arrive.

Said no one ever.

They didn't have guns on them to shoot him to prevent escape. They were bearing arms in case needed to defend themselves from violence, such as the suspect attacking them in such a way as to be life threatening, as he actually did.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Prior convictions, charges, or even just investigations into the deceased are not relevant.... he’s the victim, not the charged.

It's relevant. In a lethal force self-defense claim before the court, the dead man's criminal record (if it involves violence, even tangentially) is relevant because it lends credence to the claim that his behavior during the struggle leading to his death was such as to place an ordinary person in fear of imminent, and potentially deadly, violence. The logic goes: if he engaged in criminal violence before, that shows a pattern that supports the claim that he was behaving similarly on the day in question.

The deceased isnt on trial my man...

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Georgia man charged with killing Ahmaud Arbery previously investigated him

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When Arbery, 25, was in high school, he was sentenced to five years’ probation as a first offender on charges of carrying a weapon on campus, and several counts of obstructing a law enforcement officer, the paper reported.

McMichael claimed to cops he recognized Arbery from surveillance video capturing a recent burglary in his mostly white neighborhood — and that he intended to make a citizen’s arrest, the paper reported.

“It appears Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael and [neighbor] William Bryan were following in hot pursuit of a burglary suspect with solid first-hand probable cause,” Barnhill wrote in a letter to Glynn County police Capt. Tom Jump. “Arbery initiated the fight. … At that point, Arbery grabbed the shotgun (that Travis McMichael was holding). Under Georgia law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.”

Now it is getting interesting. Jogging my ass. Jogging away from a crime scene does change things. Doesn’t make what they did any smarter, but they could be justified for attempting to make a citizen’s arrest. Especially if the father recognized him from his prior arrest. It’s like I said earlier, it’ll all come out in the investigation. Initial reports are never correct. Especially from news reports. There’s always more to the story.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

911: whats your emergency

Caller: Yes, there is a black guy leaving a construction site.

911: you should go chase him down with guns and shoot him so he doesnt get away before the cops arrive.

Said no one ever.

They didn't have guns on them to shoot him to prevent escape. They were bearing arms in case needed to defend themselves from violence, such as the suspect attacking them in such a way as to be life threatening, as he actually did.

Weapons were already drawn upon his arrival... there was no suspect... there was a guy they think matches a description of a month old crime.

The video and 911 proves a very important element for those on trial....

INTENT

Probably an unpopular opinion, but even if Arbery was a robber and grabbed the gun, dad and son should have never chased him. I am all for shooting and killing trouble when it comes to you, but it’s another thing chasing trouble. Different if there was a crime currently being committed, but chasing a robbery suspect by a citizen is stupid.

It’s hard to claim self defense if the victim was pursued

About as dumb is the third party taking the video. He must have been part of the pursuing posse. His evidence is key to prosecuting all three. And the DA who tried to sweep it under the rug may have a career change.

In today’s political climate they’re all in trouble.

Gonna be hard to defend all that.

DF

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During the 911 calls, the callers, who have yet to be identified, reported seeing a man in a house under construction along Satilla Drive. The caller said the person was not breaking and entering, as the home was under construction. The caller then says that the man was "running down the street."

911

Originally Posted by shawlerbrook

Probably an unpopular opinion, but even if Arbery was a robber and grabbed the gun, dad and son should have never chased him. I am all for shooting and killing trouble when it comes to you, but it’s another thing chasing trouble. Different if there was a crime currently being committed, but chasing a robbery suspect by a citizen is stupid.

Absolutely correct. But it does change the story from two white Bubbas running down an innocent black man out for a jog. What they did was stupid in every conceivable way. But they may not have been acting outside of Georgia law.

The rash of burglary’s in the neighborhood. The fathers possible past interaction with the deceased. The deceased’s prior criminal record if there is one. The states stand your ground and citizens arrest laws - all will be taken into consideration.

There was more than one 911 call.

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During the 911 calls, the callers, who have yet to be identified, reported seeing a man in a house under construction along Satilla Drive. The caller said the person was not breaking and entering, as the home was under construction. The caller then says that the man was "running down the street."

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

911: whats your emergency

Caller: Yes, there is a black guy leaving a construction site.

911: you should go chase him down with guns and shoot him so he doesnt get away before the cops arrive.

Said no one ever.

They didn't have guns on them to shoot him to prevent escape. They were bearing arms in case needed to defend themselves from violence, such as the suspect attacking them in such a way as to be life threatening, as he actually did.

Weapons were already drawn upon his arrival... there was no suspect... there was a guy they think matches a description of a month old crime.

The video and 911 proves a very important element for those on trial....

INTENT

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

In today’s political climate they’re all in trouble.
DF

In ANY political climate they would be introuble. You can't just go around chasing and shooting someone who "looks like" he might have been someone on a surveillance video.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Prior convictions, charges, or even just investigations into the deceased are not relevant.... he’s the victim, not the charged.

It's relevant. In a lethal force self-defense claim before the court, the dead man's criminal record (if it involves violence, even tangentially) is relevant because it lends credence to the claim that his behavior during the struggle leading to his death was such as to place an ordinary person in fear of imminent, and potentially deadly, violence. The logic goes: if he engaged in criminal violence before, that shows a pattern that supports the claim that he was behaving similarly on the day in question.

The deceased isnt on trial my man...

The question is whether or not his history of violent crime was relevant to a lethal force self defense claim. It is, as explained.

For whatever reason.....you fail to acknowledge the actions of the deceased.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

In today’s political climate they’re all in trouble.
DF

In ANY political climate they would be introuble. You can't just go around chasing and shooting someone who "looks like" he might have been someone on a surveillance video.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

In today’s political climate they’re all in trouble.
DF

In ANY political climate they would be introuble. You can't just go around chasing and shooting someone who "looks like" he might have been someone on a surveillance video.

No. But if the father was involved in his prior arrest and absolutely recognized Avery as the person in the video, it does put a different spin on things.

Not saying he was justified. Just saying it does add weight to his defense. Much different than, “looked like a guy in a surveillance video“.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Wish the kid was NOT killed....but both sides acted stupidly when things escalated. Now it is letter of the law that likely will become letter of politics.

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Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law , McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.

You still don't get it?

"Acting stupidly" is not against the law.

Shooting joggers is against the law. Duh!

It doesn't matter whatever their prior history was.

It doesn't matter if they look like someone in some video.

Grabbing the shotgun, if he actually did that, is a logical reaction to prevent being shot!!

Case closed.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Possible......but perhaps you should check citizen arrest laws for that State. You may be surprised.

I'm aware of their laws and the fact that the two vigilantes started out with in their rights.

If it comes down to knowing the guy knew exactly who he was after prior to starting to chase him it'd mean the guy had valid options that he chose not to take advantage of.

That's what the cops are for..

It wouldn't set well with me if I were on a jury...

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Prior convictions, charges, or even just investigations into the deceased are not relevant.... he’s the victim, not the charged.

It's relevant. In a lethal force self-defense claim before the court, the dead man's criminal record (if it involves violence, even tangentially) is relevant because it lends credence to the claim that his behavior during the struggle leading to his death was such as to place an ordinary person in fear of imminent, and potentially deadly, violence. The logic goes: if he engaged in criminal violence before, that shows a pattern that supports the claim that he was behaving similarly on the day in question.

The deceased isnt on trial my man...

The question is whether or not his history of violent crime was relevant to a lethal force self defense claim. It is, as explained.

No... again... the 911 call that was made proves he wasnt 100% identified “there is a black man”....

As noted, they pursued him, when the deceased hadnt committed a crime against them at that time, nor by being at a construction site.... by then grabbing guns and pursuing the deceased it shows their intent.

The deceased was running away or jogging, that has yet to be proven, however that shows flight, therefore that proves immediate danger wasnt present.

The white guys pursued, armed at that, by their words a fleeing suspect.... their intent was to have an altercation, which they received.

If there was probable violence which you expect when confronting, you dont confront... you only defend, which they didnt because they pursued.

Case closed, dumbers are going to jail.

Grabbing the legally held shotgun legally justifies the shooting......you know that, right?

If he keeps running and gets shot, all together different.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Wish the kid was NOT killed....but both sides acted stupidly when things escalated. Now it is letter of the law that likely will become letter of politics.

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Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law , McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.

You still don't get it?

"Acting stupidly" is not against the law.

Shooting joggers is against the law. Duh!

It doesn't matter whatever their prior history was.

It doesn't matter if they look like someone in some video.

Grabbing the shotgun, if he actually did that, is a logical reaction to prevent being shot!!

Case closed.

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

It’s hard to claim self defense if the victim was pursued.
DF

There's no law in that jurisdiction against open carry, and there's no law there against following someone reasonably suspected of burglary while in contact with the police. Blocking his escape may have been legally questionable, which (if true) is what makes it an imperfect self-defense shooting, not murder. If the shooter isn't convictable for murder, the others involved are not convictable for felony murder.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

They didn't have guns on them to shoot him to prevent escape. They were bearing arms in case needed to defend themselves from violence, such as the suspect attacking them in such a way as to be life threatening, as he actually did.

The racism is strong in this one, almost as strong as the anti-semitism.

If Dumb and Dumber needed to "defend themselves from violence," why did they go where the black guy was jogging in the first place? Hmmmm?

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

In today’s political climate they’re all in trouble.
DF

In ANY political climate they would be introuble. You can't just go around chasing and shooting someone who "looks like" he might have been someone on a surveillance video.

You've got the cart before the horse. No one chased anyone down to shoot them. They were, while armed, pursuing someone reasonably suspected of burglary when said suspect attacked and attempted to snatch a weapon from one of the pursuers. It was in response to this that the man was shot amidst the struggle for the gun.

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From said video it appears Ahmaud Arbery was running along the right side of the McMichael truck then abruptly turns 90 degrees to the left and attacks Travis McMichael who was standing at the front left corner of the truck .

Arbery’s mental health records & prior convictions help explain his apparent aggressive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack an armed man.

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Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law , McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.

EJP, it matters not what the pursuers knew of his criminal background. Violent criminal backgrounds are still relevant in self-defense claims. They tend to support a claim of violent behavior at the time in question.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Grabbing the legally held shotgun legally justifies the shooting......you know that, right?

If he keeps running and gets shot, all together different.

Yep. Exactly.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

They didn't have guns on them to shoot him to prevent escape. They were bearing arms in case needed to defend themselves from violence, such as the suspect attacking them in such a way as to be life threatening, as he actually did.

The racism is strong in this one, almost as strong as the anti-semitism.

If Dumb and Dumber needed to "defend themselves from violence," why did they go where the black guy was jogging in the first place? Hmmmm?

They went to him because they wanted to hold him for the police, as they had reason to suspect he was a serial burglar in their neighborhood.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

EJP, it matters not what the pursuers knew of his criminal background. Violent criminal backgrounds are still relevant in self-defense claims. They tend to support a claim of violent behavior at the time in question.

I take it you meant that it DOES matter. At any rate, save your breath. That fugging mouth breather doesn’t know [bleep] about the law. It’s obvious from all the dumb schit he’s posted already. I put him on ignore. He’s just a rabid SJW and you can’t reason with a dumbass who only wants to see what he wants to.

The dead guy may not have been the sharpest tool in the shed.

What I saw on that tape was someone trying to avoid a guy with a shotgun and then rushing the guy out of desperation while tying not to get shot.

Whatever happened I see two guys reacting to a sudden situation without having the time to think it through. I believe at times like that you fallback on your training but in this case neither side had any.

That’s what I see.

Others’ MMV

#dontgoeasy

#diewithyourbootson

Or in this case apparently.....he should have surrendered peacefully to a bunch of januses with shotguns riding in the backs of pickups.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Poor Ned. Must have been a starving actor at that time. Otherwise, who takes that part?

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by wilkeshunter

Why run around the truck and try and take the shotgun? You are forcing the guy to shoot you, at that point. White dudes were clearly pissed about the recent thefts. They just took some pretty extreme action to deal with it.

LeRoy. LeRoy takes that part.

For free...

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

I am amazed at the ignorance, bigotry, and reptilian stupidity shown by a lot of members on 24HCF. Bristoe and ghostinthemachine come to mind.

If you weren't a racist, race would be irrelevant too.

Originally Posted by hookeye

I think the Trayvon Martin case was cut and dry, the media tried to spin it, and a just verdict was rendered.

They tried the same BS with the Michael Brown case.

This one looks to be quite different.

Actually, it looks EXACTLY the same as Martin. White/Hispanic guy stops suspected criminal, suspect atacks him, gets shot. Is now good.

What is the difference you see?

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by hookeye

I think the Trayvon Martin case was cut and dry, the media tried to spin it, and a just verdict was rendered.They tried the same BS with the Michael Brown case.This one looks to be quite different.

Actually, it looks EXACTLY the same as Martin. White/Hispanic guy stops suspected criminal, suspect atacks him, gets shot. Is now good.What is the difference you see?

The difference I see is that Trayvon Martin sneaked up on George Zimmerman who had not blocked his path or done any more than try to maintain observation of Martin. These two apparently aggressively cut off the jogger in an attempt to detain him. And then brandished a firearm to control the "suspect". George only pulled a concealed handgun at the last second after a stronger man was in the process of beating him senseless. George did not attempt to detain Mr. Martin and was in fact attacked by Martin who was miffed at being followed. That is a lot of difference. That said, I believe there was no original intent to kill the jogger but unless there is more to this than is now reported the 2 white men accosting him did so illegally. At least the driver/shooter did.

George was getting his butt kicked.....this current shooter idiot actually was too.

The kid laid a couple good pops in, and actually turned and started running down the street again before falling. Almost like some denial he was hurt badly.

Adrenaline likely kicked in.....but how was he still on his feet after 3 shots from a shotgun?

Obviously athletic and a tough one.

Would be interesting to see the blood report of the autopsy.

Originally Posted by Hastings

[My opposition is not to the killing itself as it is to the long wait and the unjust convictions.

How did we ever get to the point where murderers spend decades on death row?

In 1933 a guy accidentally killed the mayor of Chicago. The mayor was sitting next to President-elect Roosevelt, who was the target. the shooter was executed 33 days later.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Prior convictions, charges, or even just investigations into the deceased are not relevant.... he’s the victim, not the charged.

It's relevant. In a lethal force self-defense claim before the court, the dead man's criminal record (if it involves violence, even tangentially) is relevant because it lends credence to the claim that his behavior during the struggle leading to his death was such as to place an ordinary person in fear of imminent, and potentially deadly, violence. The logic goes: if he engaged in criminal violence before, that shows a pattern that supports the claim that he was behaving similarly on the day in question.

I doubt his previous record would be admissible in this case. Since this is a felony murder case, the question becomes, where the rednecks committing a felony, such as kidnapping, when they stopped this person at gunpoint.

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

In today’s political climate they’re all in trouble.
DF

In ANY political climate they would be introuble. You can't just go around chasing and shooting someone who "looks like" he might have been someone on a surveillance video.

No. But if the father was involved in his prior arrest and absolutely recognized Avery as the person in the video, it does put a different spin on things.

Not saying he was justified. Just saying it does add weight to his defense. Much different than, “looked like a guy in a surveillance video“.

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-17/chapter-4/article-4/17-4-60/
Here's the statute:

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

They didn't have guns on them to shoot him to prevent escape. They were bearing arms in case needed to defend themselves from violence, such as the suspect attacking them in such a way as to be life threatening, as he actually did.

The racism is strong in this one, almost as strong as the anti-semitism.

If Dumb and Dumber needed to "defend themselves from violence," why did they go where the black guy was jogging in the first place? Hmmmm?

They went to him because they wanted to hold him for the police, as they had reason to suspect he was a serial burglar in their neighborhood.

But they were not police, and under georgia law, it appears they had no authority to do so:

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-17/chapter-4/article-4/17-4-60/

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

I took a few days to think over this incident, and read a few pages of comments prior to watching the video. Was very surprised at what the video actually showed. Must've been a different video than some of you watched.

I have no doubts that had the people involved all been white, to you hypocritical types it would've been: a few rednecks being stupid. Had they been all black, it would've been: great, three thugs off the street. Had it been blacks chasing down a white: outrage, and solidification and justification for your view of blacks.

I am not okay with people cruising around in a pickups performing citizens arrests, and then "defending themselves" when the cornered person resorts to violence; regardless of color. Would've been terrified to find myself in that man's situation. Shame on some of you guys. I've lost some faith today, but should I ever find myself facing a jury of you folks, I'll be glad I'm white!

Oh wait, I forgot, my opinion doesn't count, because I don't live near enough blacks. My Bad!

The average crime index for the country is 274 in the manner that City Data configures the numbers. Brunswick, Georgia's numbers were above 1000 in 2006 and 2007,..which is a totally obnoxious crime rate for a small town of 16,000 people.

Currently, the crime rate for Brunswick, Georgia is only about twice the national average,..which is still fairly obnoxious for a small town of 16,000.

Theft and burglary seems to be the primary factor pushing the numbers.

I expect to see the crime rate go back up through the roof after this hullabaloo.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Brunswick-Georgia.html

Originally Posted by 270jrk

I took a few days to think over this incident, and read a few pages of comments prior to watching the video. Was very surprised at what the video actually showed. Must've been a different video than some of you watched.

I have no doubts that had the people involved all been white, to you hypocritical types it would've been: a few rednecks being stupid. Had they been all black, it would've been: great, three thugs off the street. Had it been blacks chasing down a white: outrage, and solidification and justification for your view of blacks.

I am not okay with people cruising around in a pickups performing citizens arrests, and then "defending themselves" when the cornered person resorts to violence; regardless of color. Would've been terrified to find myself in that man's situation. Shame on some of you guys. I've lost some faith today, but should I ever find myself facing a jury of you folks, I'll be glad I'm white!

Well said. Definitely a huge double standard on this forum when it comes to blacks and whites.

No double standard here.

Just because most of the trash is of one type doesn't mean the other trash is non existent.

I'm see on the Indy news innocent folks being murdered quite often.
And most of the time it's by blacks.

Indy is a fuggin zoo.

A career in burglary is not without risk.

Sometimes burglars go to jail. On rare occasions they get shot.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

I doubt his previous record would be admissible in this case. Since this is a felony murder case, the question becomes, where the rednecks committing a felony, such as kidnapping, when they stopped this person at gunpoint.

A felony murder charge wouldn't apply to the actual shooter, would it? Usually that's reserved for the accomplices to the shooter, i.e., said accomplices were all engaged in a felony at the time a foreseeable victim was killed, even though they didn't directly cause it.

Oh please don't get me wrong, it turns my stomach for innocents to be murdered, and I believe in a quick and lethal justice if someone hurts or murders innocents.

And I do believe in racial differences, maybe some of them are genetic, some of them are learned, some of them are regional. And I stereotype all day long, depending on someone's skin color, how they're dressed, and how they're behaving. I'd be considered a racist by some, and accused of wearing rose colored glasses by others.

But I just cannot agree with some of the assessments of this incident. Not with what I have read on the subject, or what I saw in the short video.

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Well said. Definitely a huge double standard on this forum when it comes to blacks and whites.

yea well...I'm pretty good with that

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

They didn't have guns on them to shoot him to prevent escape. They were bearing arms in case needed to defend themselves from violence, such as the suspect attacking them in such a way as to be life threatening, as he actually did.

The racism is strong in this one, almost as strong as the anti-semitism.

If Dumb and Dumber needed to "defend themselves from violence," why did they go where the black guy was jogging in the first place? Hmmmm?

They went to him because they wanted to hold him for the police, as they had reason to suspect he was a serial burglar in their neighborhood.

But they were not police, and under georgia law, it appears they had no authority to do so:

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-17/chapter-4/article-4/17-4-60/

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

True. That's what places it in the arena of an imperfect defense of self-defense rather than either a perfect claim of self-defense or murder. In other words, they didn't come to the circumstance of requiring self-defensive action with clean hands. They also, however, didn't maliciously cause anyone's death. The act causing death was deemed by the shooter to be reasonably necessary to preserve his life which was under imminent threat from the jogger attempting to wrest a loaded weapon from his grasp.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

It's got to do with the difference between how the media covers blacks killing whites as opposed to whites killing blacks.

You hear about it on a national level for days every time whites kill blacks. (a very rare occurrence)

You never hear about it on a national level when blacks kill whites. (a far from rare occurrence)

The above post details the most glaring double standard I see associated with such matters.

For those who would completely exonerate the shooter. If the black jogger had been armed with a concealed handgun and pulled it out and shot the white man would there have been any reason to charge him with anything? I didn't think so.

I've read this entire thread and decided I just don't give a fugg about any of it. I'll keep reading though.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

It's got to do with the difference between how the media covers blacks killing whites as opposed to whites killing blacks.

You hear about it on a national level for days every time whites kill blacks. (a very rare occurrence)

You never hear about it on a national level when blacks kill whites. (a far from rare occurrence)

The above post details the most glaring double standard I see associated with such matters.

Absolutely.

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by 270jrk

I took a few days to think over this incident, and read a few pages of comments prior to watching the video. Was very surprised at what the video actually showed. Must've been a different video than some of you watched.

I have no doubts that had the people involved all been white, to you hypocritical types it would've been: a few rednecks being stupid. Had they been all black, it would've been: great, three thugs off the street. Had it been blacks chasing down a white: outrage, and solidification and justification for your view of blacks.

I am not okay with people cruising around in a pickups performing citizens arrests, and then "defending themselves" when the cornered person resorts to violence; regardless of color. Would've been terrified to find myself in that man's situation. Shame on some of you guys. I've lost some faith today, but should I ever find myself facing a jury of you folks, I'll be glad I'm white!

Well said. Definitely a huge double standard on this forum when it comes to blacks and whites.

There’s a huge double standard when it comes to blacks and whites in this country and in the media. And it’s not the blacks that are being discriminated against.

Well I happen to disagree with that double standard as well. So if what the fake news does is the standard that you hold yourself to, then congratulations?

Not enough evidence for me to make a determination yet.

But it seems that all of the so called news folks are making this out to be an everyday thing.

Every time something like this happens there are folks that cry for justice.

Meaning that if black folks get killed they want the killer to get dead as well no matter what caused it or events leading up to it.

Personally I feel the white guys murdered the black guy because they had no business trying to stop him in the first place. But there's also not much question that if the black guy would of kept running and not assaulted the guy with the shotgun he'd still be alive. The dad in the back of the truck didn't shoot, before, during or after the black guy attacked his son definitely shows some restraint and that they weren't out to kill the guy.

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by hookeye

I think the Trayvon Martin case was cut and dry, the media tried to spin it, and a just verdict was rendered.They tried the same BS with the Michael Brown case.This one looks to be quite different.

Actually, it looks EXACTLY the same as Martin. White/Hispanic guy stops suspected criminal, suspect atacks him, gets shot. Is now good.What is the difference you see?

The difference I see is that Trayvon Martin sneaked up on George Zimmerman who had not blocked his path or done any more than try to maintain observation of Martin. These two apparently aggressively cut off the jogger in an attempt to detain him. And then brandished a firearm to control the "suspect". George only pulled a concealed handgun at the last second after a stronger man was in the process of beating him senseless. George did not attempt to detain Mr. Martin and was in fact attacked by Martin who was miffed at being followed. That is a lot of difference. That said, I believe there was no original intent to kill the jogger but unless there is more to this than is now reported the 2 white men accosting him did so illegally. At least the driver/shooter did.

I agree, George had a much more convincing case than these guys. And, look how he was prosecuted by the press and even the White House. He eventually had his day in court but at great cost in reputation and treasury.

These guys won’t be so fortunate, IMO.

DF

Kidnapping? Really? Go back and get your GED, Jethro.

If it’s lawful to stand there with a shotgun, and someone tries to grab it.....A BIG IF......justified shooting. Only two chumps can testify to that, unfortunately.

All the geniuses claim the video shows everything, then want to say you can’t see if the deceased got violent and turned toward the shooter, grabbing the gun. Can’t have it both ways.

The cheerleader in the pickup bed is likely off.....murder charge is all political, waiting for the election season (or later) to render verdicts.

Any chance the deceased recognized the ex-law-enforcement officer he had past dealings with?

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Prior convictions, charges, or even just investigations into the deceased are not relevant.... he’s the victim, not the charged.

It's relevant. In a lethal force self-defense claim before the court, the dead man's criminal record (if it involves violence, even tangentially) is relevant because it lends credence to the claim that his behavior during the struggle leading to his death was such as to place an ordinary person in fear of imminent, and potentially deadly, violence. The logic goes: if he engaged in criminal violence before, that shows a pattern that supports the claim that he was behaving similarly on the day in question.

I doubt his previous record would be admissible in this case. Since this is a felony murder case, the question becomes, where the rednecks committing a felony, such as kidnapping, when they stopped this person at gunpoint.

Seeing as how the rednecks initiated the confrontation they may have a problem w/ self defense. If someone points a shotgun at me I may choose to defend myself. I hope the shooter hires TRH as an expert witness, he is obviously well qualified and deeply experienced.

If you decide to illegally detain/kidnap someone just call it a citizen's arrest and you will be OK.

miike r

One thing is for sure. This is going to take a while to sort out in court, the media, and the 24 HCF. I bet Wayne LaPierre is glad we're onto another subject and I am glad everybody here got off the CV-19 panic for a while. It is sad if an innocent person was killed and two doofusses have their life ruined for being stupid. The right to keep and bear arms has received another blackeye in the eyes of those who basically are not pro gun or anti gun. The right to keep and bear arms is like a lot of other rights, as in it comes with responsibility.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Kidnapping? Really? Go back and get your GED, Jethro.

If it’s lawful to stand there with a shotgun, and someone tries to grab it.....A BIG IF......justified shooting. Only two chumps can testify to that, unfortunately.

All the geniuses claim the video shows everything, then want to say you can’t see if the deceased got violent and turned toward the shooter, grabbing the gun. Can’t have it both ways.

The cheerleader in the pickup bed is likely off.....murder charge is all political, waiting for the election season (or later) to render verdicts.

Any chance the deceased recognized the ex-law-enforcement officer he had past dealings with?

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Prior convictions, charges, or even just investigations into the deceased are not relevant.... he’s the victim, not the charged.

It's relevant. In a lethal force self-defense claim before the court, the dead man's criminal record (if it involves violence, even tangentially) is relevant because it lends credence to the claim that his behavior during the struggle leading to his death was such as to place an ordinary person in fear of imminent, and potentially deadly, violence. The logic goes: if he engaged in criminal violence before, that shows a pattern that supports the claim that he was behaving similarly on the day in question.

I doubt his previous record would be admissible in this case. Since this is a felony murder case, the question becomes, where the rednecks committing a felony, such as kidnapping, when they stopped this person at gunpoint.

Regardless of your hypothesis that the EX-cop may have recognized the dead person, he's no longer a cop, has no authority in the state of Georgia to arrest someone for a crime he did not personally witness, and cannot claim self defense for an incident he provoked.

Here a bit on the Georgia kidnapping statute:

Under OCGA § 16-5-40 (a), “[a] person commits the offense of kidnapping when he abducts or steals away any person without lawful authority or warrant and holds such person against his will.” Therefore, the elements of kidnapping are (1) an illegal holding, (2) an overmastering of the victim’s will, and (3) an asportation of the victim.[i]

A person convicted of the offense of kidnapping shall be punished by:

Imprisonment for not less than ten nor more than 20 years if the kidnapping involved a victim who was 14 years of age or older;
Imprisonment for life or by a split sentence that is a term of imprisonment for not less than 25 years and not exceeding life imprisonment, followed by probation for life, if the kidnapping involved a victim who is less than 14 years of age;
Life imprisonment or death if the kidnapping was for ransom; or
Life imprisonment or death if the person kidnapped received bodily injury.

Breaking news on the murder of the jogger:

https://www.amny.com/news/karina-ve...ns-jogger-s-death-stands-now-1-12190915/

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Breaking news on the murder of the jogger:

https://www.amny.com/news/karina-ve...ns-jogger-s-death-stands-now-1-12190915/

And why is this relevant?

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

The cheerleader in the pickup bed is likely off.....murder charge is all political, waiting for the election season (or later) to render verdicts.

Not so sure about that.
How about when the driver of the get away car gets charged with bank robbery and murder when he just sat in the car while his buddy went and robbed the bank and killed the security guard?
The father was there, he was armed and I bet it was his idea to chase after they guy, he's involved.
I think they are both most likely going to jail for a long time.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Breaking news on the murder of the jogger:

https://www.amny.com/news/karina-ve...ns-jogger-s-death-stands-now-1-12190915/

And why is this relevant?

Joggers getting murdered seems to be big with the media these days. I'm betting the situation outlined in the posted link will be covered in depth on the national news over the next few days.

Maybe it'll even become a topic of discussion here.

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

EJP, it matters not what the pursuers knew of his criminal background. Violent criminal backgrounds are still relevant in self-defense claims. They tend to support a claim of violent behavior at the time in question.

I take it you meant that it DOES matter. At any rate, save your breath. That fugging mouth breather doesn’t know [bleep] about the law. It’s obvious from all the dumb schit he’s posted already. I put him on ignore. He’s just a rabid SJW and you can’t reason with a dumbass who only wants to see what he wants to.

If by rabid mouth breathing sjw that doesnt know schit about the law, meaning I realize that anything the victim did as a minor 7-8yrs ago in High School to profile him.... wont be allowed to give reason to doing what they did... yup thats me...

If by rabid mouth breathing sjw - you mean someone who’s a big sissy snowflake that needs to sensor what he reads, nope... not me, thats clearly you lmao....

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Breaking news on the murder of the jogger:

https://www.amny.com/news/karina-ve...ns-jogger-s-death-stands-now-1-12190915/

And why is this relevant?

Joggers getting murdered seems to be big with the media these days. I'm betting the situation outlined in the posted link will be covered in depth on the national news over the next few days.

Maybe it'll even become a topic of discussion here.

Come on you old racist.

Why won't you admit the real reason it's relevant to you?

Originally Posted by Bristoe

It's got to do with the difference between how the media covers blacks killing whites as opposed to whites killing blacks.

You hear about it on a national level for days every time whites kill blacks. (a very rare occurrence)

You never hear about it on a national level when blacks kill whites. (a far from rare occurrence)

The above post details the most glaring double standard I see associated with such matters.

Find a case where a retired black cop, and his black son kill a white guy they assume is guilty of a crime... and the black DA dismisses it and sweeps it under the rug for a few months after seeing the video without sending it to the grand jury....

Then we can talk double standards....

If it had been a bank robbery.....yes. A planned bank robbery, yes.

IF they had no intent of killing anyone, only wanted a thief caught, your example is not applicable in the least.

Pickup bed Dad was a bystander to an escalating situation. If the kid was not involved with the burglaries, he may get a lesser charge.

If jogger kid was involved with the burglaries.......get ready, things may burn.

In the video, was anyone pointing their firearm at the jogger before things went physical?

Originally Posted by Paul_M

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

The cheerleader in the pickup bed is likely off.....murder charge is all political, waiting for the election season (or later) to render verdicts.

Not so sure about that.
How about when the driver of the get away car gets charged with bank robbery and murder when he just sat in the car while his buddy went and robbed the bank and killed the security guard?
The father was there, he was armed and I bet it was his idea to chase after they guy, he's involved.
I think they are both most likely going to jail for a long time.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Kidnapping? Really? Go back and get your GED, Jethro.

If it’s lawful to stand there with a shotgun, and someone tries to grab it.....A BIG IF......justified shooting. Only two chumps can testify to that, unfortunately.

All the geniuses claim the video shows everything, then want to say you can’t see if the deceased got violent and turned toward the shooter, grabbing the gun. Can’t have it both ways.

The cheerleader in the pickup bed is likely off.....murder charge is all political, waiting for the election season (or later) to render verdicts.

Any chance the deceased recognized the ex-law-enforcement officer he had past dealings with?

If someone accosts you for no reason and points a gun at you, do you have the right to defend yourself?

Presuming you sensibly answered yes to that, if you were empty handed and felt your life was in danger, do you think that one of the ways to defend yourself would be to try to disarm the person who was holding the gun to you?

Did you see anyone in the video pointing a gun at the jogger before the fight ensued?

Open carry is not legally deemed a threat.

Originally Posted by Wannabebwana

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Kidnapping? Really? Go back and get your GED, Jethro.

If it’s lawful to stand there with a shotgun, and someone tries to grab it.....A BIG IF......justified shooting. Only two chumps can testify to that, unfortunately.

All the geniuses claim the video shows everything, then want to say you can’t see if the deceased got violent and turned toward the shooter, grabbing the gun. Can’t have it both ways.

The cheerleader in the pickup bed is likely off.....murder charge is all political, waiting for the election season (or later) to render verdicts.

Any chance the deceased recognized the ex-law-enforcement officer he had past dealings with?

If someone accosts you for no reason and points a gun at you, do you have the right to defend yourself?

Presuming you sensibly answered yes to that, if you were empty handed and felt your life was in danger, do you think that one of the ways to defend yourself would be to try to disarm the person who was holding the gun to you?

There is a difference between carrying and brandishing. Enough of a difference that Georgia is considering clarifying the law on it:

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--reg...gal-brandish-gun/Oe2x0xPUTKP99PueauFWdI/

Originally Posted by Wannabebwana

There is a difference between carrying and brandishing. Enough of a difference that Georgia is considering clarifying the law on it:

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--reg...gal-brandish-gun/Oe2x0xPUTKP99PueauFWdI/

Dont do that to them.... they might actually realize where the two dumb dumbs fugged up...

But they dont want to know it because the black guy deserved to die, he is suspected of committing a crime before....

I have found NV.s definition useful in explaining brandishing. Draws or displays a deadly weapon in a rude, angry or threatening manner not in necessary self defense.

Under lessons learned I would put in that if you choose to offensively interact w/ other persons while armed you best be prepared for a less than perfect outcome and the potential consequences. Those peckerwoods created a situation that was totally unnecessary.

My weapons are for defending the innocent from death or great bodily injury. Only.

YMMV

mike r

Well in the 911 recording, one of them made mention that the thief who had been hitting the area was caught on recording a couple of times, will be interesting to see if any recordings come out.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Joggers getting murdered seems to be big with the media these days. I'm betting the situation outlined in the posted link will be covered in depth on the national news over the next few days.

Maybe it'll even become a topic of discussion here.

Something tells me you will be safe from the black man when it comes to your jogging habits Bristoe......

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by wilkeshunter

Why run around the truck and try and take the shotgun? You are forcing the guy to shoot you, at that point. .

There's an old saw about rushing a gun but fleeing from a knife..

Well there is a third option, stay calm and wait for the police.

Originally Posted by sawbuck

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by mrfudd

Would you wait on the cops if two black guys pulled guns on you? Looks like he was justifiably in fear of his life and trying to do what he could to fight back.

I've had guns pointed at me and, rather than try to attack the guy(s) holding the gun, it was "yes sir/no sir" "what would you like me to do, sir?".

That anyone is dumb enough to think they are going to win bare handed in a fight against a firearm is a crime in itself. Most people aren't stupid enough to get close enough to you that you are going to perform a disarm like Chuck Norris. This denial of reality seems to be a problem of black culture.

It is fight or flight.
Why complicate it with other options?

Um, because you'll end up dead?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

They didn't have guns on them to shoot him to prevent escape. They were bearing arms in case needed to defend themselves from violence, such as the suspect attacking them in such a way as to be life threatening, as he actually did.

The racism is strong in this one, almost as strong as the anti-semitism.

If Dumb and Dumber needed to "defend themselves from violence," why did they go where the black guy was jogging in the first place? Hmmmm?

They went to him because they wanted to hold him for the police, as they had reason to suspect he was a serial burglar in their neighborhood.

But they were not police, and under georgia law, it appears they had no authority to do so:

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-17/chapter-4/article-4/17-4-60/

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

True. That's what places it in the arena of an imperfect defense of self-defense rather than either a perfect claim of self-defense or murder. In other words, they didn't come to the circumstance of requiring self-defensive action with clean hands. They also, however, didn't maliciously cause anyone's death. The act causing death was deemed by the shooter to be reasonably necessary to preserve his life which was under imminent threat from the jogger attempting to wrest a loaded weapon from his grasp.

Georgia law is pretty clear. You start the commotion you can't claim self defense.

These cracker boys need to stock up on vaseline and gauze.. Dumb fuqks... Sure they weren't from Iowa?.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

There's an old saw about rushing a gun but fleeing from a knife.I doubt the guy who got killed thought of that or was thinking clearly at all. It looked to me like he was trying to keep the other guy from shooting him.

If the jogger had no idea why 2 white men were trying to accost him and
in fact headed him off and got out with a long gun he could and should have assumed they were trying to rob him, kill him, kidnap him or some such nefarious purpose. At that point I would have probably figured my safest and only option was to get a tight hold on my assailant and try to gain control of the weapon. I still don't believe the father and son team set out to kill the young black man but hopefully all of us can learn something about using discretion with our right to keep and bear arms.

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law...maud-arbery-case/xvSWFTbaD0k9cr80R7CTnL/

New security video from across the street of the construction site. Shows the black kid going in to, and around the construction house for 3 1/2 minutes.

Originally Posted by simonkenton7

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law...maud-arbery-case/xvSWFTbaD0k9cr80R7CTnL/

New security video from across the street of the construction site. Shows the black kid going in to, and around the construction house for 3 1/2 minutes.

"It is important to note that this footage was reviewed at the beginning of the GBI investigation and before the arrests of Gregory and Travis McMichael."

“If you initiate an assault you don’t get then claim self-defense if the other person reacts to them to be assaulted,” Arora said. “From the information we have right now, this video doesn’t change the basis for the arrest.”

“ were concerned that he could be armed because they said they saw him on another occasion sticking “his hand down his pants.””

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Also, interesting to note.... that article states the police have no record of any burglaries in that neighborhood except when dumbass jr called to report the loaded handgun he left in his unlocked truck over night was missing...

He sure sounds like a model gun owner lmao...

That video shows absolutely nothing. You can't identify anybody or see any evidence of theft.

I walk into the house's under construction all the time to check out the floor plan and stuff like that.

It is known the dead guy was wanting to become an electrician.

He was obviously an unemployed master carpenter, looking for a job. Sadly, since there were no vehicles there at the construction site, that meant the boss was not there, so he could not have the job interview.

Was there ever any connection made between person taking video and the two soon to be fresh meat rednecks?

Originally Posted by 16bore

Was there ever any connection made between person taking video and the two soon to be fresh meat rednecks?

Yes

So a thief walks in in broad daylight, cars passing by on the street? A Black guy in a White neiborhood no less.

Here’s a different possible scenario, the guy has run by the house on several occasions while out jogging. We know he wanted to be an electrician. One day he’s running by and no one’s there and the place is open, so he steps in for a quick look to see what they have done with the wiring.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

So a thief walks in in broad daylight, cars passing by on the street?

Yes. There's a documentary out there that features former professional burglars, and they almost invariably take daytime walks or jogs in the neighborhoods they're casing.

If you watch the AJC video on a big screen, it becomes pretty apparent how this all happened. At one point, you can see Abery, the neighbor calling 911, and the father son duo all at the same time. They weren’t any farther than a couple houses down.

Abery goes into the house. Notice how he walked up the street and into the house. He wasn’t jogging and decided to stop. He walked up to place in which he had no business being. The neighbor sees him and walks out to the street and calls 911. Eventually Arbery realizes that he has been seen and hauls ass down the street running right by the father and son. They get in the truck and follow him and cop comes driving by very shortly thereafter.

This guy got caught and was hauling ass. The McMichaels were right there and basically saw it happen. They jumped in the truck to keep him from getting away until the cops got there which they knew were on the way. They grabbed their guns because he had pulled this before and acted like he had a gun. They thought the guy would stop if confronted, or at the very least keep running. They never thought that he would turn and fight. For his part, Arbery knew he was busted and probably figured that the cops were on the way and was desperate to get away. He got pissed and decided to take it out on them.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

If you watch the AJC video on a big screen, it becomes pretty apparent how this all happened. At one point, you can see Abery, the neighbor calling 911, and the father son duo all at the same time. They were any farther than a couple houses down.

Abery goes into the house. Notice how he walked up the street and into the house. He wasn’t jogging and decided to stop. He walked up to place in which he had no business being. The neighbor sees him and walks out to the street and calls 911. Eventually Arbery realizes that he has been seen and hauls was down the street running right by the father and son. They get in the truck and follow him and cop comes driving by sry shortly thereafter.

This guy got caught and was hauling ass. The McMichaels were right there and basically saw it happen. They jumped in the truck to keep him from getting away until the cops got there which they knew were in the way. They grabbed their guns because he had pulled this before and acted like he had a gun. They thought the guy would stop if confronted, or at the very least keep running. They never thought that he would turn and fight. For his part, Arbery knew he was busted and probably figured that the cops were on the way and was desperate to get away. He got pissed and decided to take it out on them.

That's most likely exactly what happened.

Originally Posted by stxhunter

I walk into the house's under construction all the time to check out the floor plan and stuff like that.

I almost never pass a new home under construction without stopping.
It's how I keep up on current code at times but mostly out of curiosity.
I'll engage contractors and home owners alike in idle conversation.
I have never been asked to leave and normally never approached.

But I don't run like hell when I leave either.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

So a thief walks in in broad daylight, cars passing by on the street? A Black guy in a White neiborhood no less.

Here’s a different possible scenario, the guy has run by the house on several occasions while out jogging. We know he wanted to be an electrician. One day he’s running by and no one’s there and the place is open, so he steps in for a quick look to see what they have done with the wiring.

Or maybe he had enough seniority in the burglar profession to work day shift.

Burglarizing a framed house with no windows or doors? Lmao.... was he going to steal a 2x4? Typically you dont rough in utilities until you have doors and windows.... i could be wrong on how its done in GA, I mean they clearly shoot people in the street and think its okay...

You are a dope Bristoe, its actually comical.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by JoeBob

If you watch the AJC video on a big screen, it becomes pretty apparent how this all happened. At one point, you can see Abery, the neighbor calling 911, and the father son duo all at the same time. They were any farther than a couple houses down.

Abery goes into the house. Notice how he walked up the street and into the house. He wasn’t jogging and decided to stop. He walked up to place in which he had no business being. The neighbor sees him and walks out to the street and calls 911. Eventually Arbery realizes that he has been seen and hauls was down the street running right by the father and son. They get in the truck and follow him and cop comes driving by sry shortly thereafter.

This guy got caught and was hauling ass. The McMichaels were right there and basically saw it happen. They jumped in the truck to keep him from getting away until the cops got there which they knew were in the way. They grabbed their guns because he had pulled this before and acted like he had a gun. They thought the guy would stop if confronted, or at the very least keep running. They never thought that he would turn and fight. For his part, Arbery knew he was busted and probably figured that the cops were on the way and was desperate to get away. He got pissed and decided to take it out on them.

That's most likely exactly what happened.

exactly as in precisely? LoL

JB is an attorney and if he was representing
the Arbery family he would paint a very different
narrative than the one he just gave.

further, what JB describes is deemed trespass,
which under GA statute is a misdemeanor.
GA statute for citizen arrest requires a Felony
to have been witnessed.

(for it to be deemed Felony Burglary, one must prove
that the suspect had intent to rob from the premises)

Was it reported that Arbery was seen leaving
the property with stolen goods?
Did they find any stolen goods on Arbery?

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by JoeBob

If you watch the AJC video on a big screen, it becomes pretty apparent how this all happened. At one point, you can see Abery, the neighbor calling 911, and the father son duo all at the same time. They were any farther than a couple houses down.

Abery goes into the house. Notice how he walked up the street and into the house. He wasn’t jogging and decided to stop. He walked up to place in which he had no business being. The neighbor sees him and walks out to the street and calls 911. Eventually Arbery realizes that he has been seen and hauls was down the street running right by the father and son. They get in the truck and follow him and cop comes driving by sry shortly thereafter.

This guy got caught and was hauling ass. The McMichaels were right there and basically saw it happen. They jumped in the truck to keep him from getting away until the cops got there which they knew were in the way. They grabbed their guns because he had pulled this before and acted like he had a gun. They thought the guy would stop if confronted, or at the very least keep running. They never thought that he would turn and fight. For his part, Arbery knew he was busted and probably figured that the cops were on the way and was desperate to get away. He got pissed and decided to take it out on them.

That's most likely exactly what happened.

exactly as in precisely? LoL

JB is an attorney and if he was
was representing the Arbery family
he would paint a very different narrative
than the one he just gave.

The McMichaels are going to walk.

the fact the local community immediately responded to the event with calls for national attention causes me to wonder what was really going on prior to the video that made the news.

Originally Posted by Gus

the fact the local community immediately responded to the event with calls for national attention causes me to wonder what was really going on prior to the video that made the news.

The Grand Marshall of the annual Brunswick Georgia burglars parade got shot.

Now the whole country has to suffer through multiple "Roots" marathons on TV until the end of time.

"The Color Purple" movie, too.

You won't be able to turn on the TV for a year without seeing that mean white Sheriff knock Oprah Winfrey in the head with a club.

It's good for getting 500 Caucasians murdered every time they show a "Roots" marathon.

Every time they show Oprah getting knocked in the head it's good for 750.

The culud folks don't mess around when it comes to Oprah.

Thank goodness they never thought to make a movie where a white southern Sheriff thumps on Stevie Wonder.

Every city in the country would get burned.

None of the sheep in California can be trusted with open carry. Be a good sheep, work, and finance the States gun control.

Did anyone see any brandishing in the video, before the fight?

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

These cracker boys need to stock up on vaseline and gauze.. Dumb fuqks... Sure they weren't from Iowa?.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Starman

JB is an attorney and if he was
was representing the Arbery family
he would paint a very different narrative
than the one he just gave.

The McMichaels are going to walk.

JB, would you be kind enough to write a narrative if representing the Arbery family.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

"The Color Purple" movie, too.

You won't be able to turn on the TV for a year without seeing that mean white Sheriff knock Oprah Winfrey in the head with a club.

Would love to have that on a gif loop!

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

We know he wanted to be an electrician.

Sure "we" do...

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

was he going to steal a 2x4?

We've had joggers steal dimensional lumber before. They burn it in trash cans for various purposes that make sense only to joggers.

We've also had joggers steal extension cords, boxes of fasteners, boxes of PVC unions, partially eaten bags of trail mix....once several empty cans of isobutane....boxes of powder loads, rolls of temporary fencing, flagging tape. If you have a rolloff on site they'll climb into it and pull out framing discards, bricks and blocks from fill, anything made of metal torn out during a refurb. Keep in mind I am a professional gentifier so they might have something against me, but joggers will steal about anything.

Pawn shops around neighborhoods I have gentrified have told me the joggers will bring things in and not even know what they are. Drills, saws, wire, etc. No idea what they are used for, no idea their value.

Here is video of the dead jogger casing a house under construction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg8CaecNJI8

it's difficult to know what was going on, what with the video showing that the individual was being ordered to stop.

and then apparently did not, and then attacked a man with a gun. did he normally run in the area??

what was going on prior to the event? was there a reason to chase such an individual?

i do not know. but maybe the shooting was an accident?

the msm has made quite the story, for sure.

Originally Posted by Gus

it's difficult to know what was going on, what with the video showing that the individual was being ordered to stop.

and then apparently did not, and then attacked a man with a gun. did he normally run in the area??

what was going on prior to the event? was there a reason to chase such an individual?

i do not know. but maybe the shooting was an accident?

the msm has made quite the story, for sure.

Here's the Clift notes:

Burglar burgled then ran.

Man with a shotgun chases him down.

Burglar grabs shotgun and yanks on it.

*BOOM!*

The news commies again start commenting about crazy white men running around the country killing the poor black folks.

Idiots take up the cry.

Only fat hillbillies understand what's really going on.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Here is video of the dead jogger casing a house under construction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg8CaecNJI8

Does the whole video show him committing a
misdemeanor or felony?

Investigators have stated they do not see evidence
[in the video] to suggest felony... Police reports
following the killing did not note any stolen material
on Arbery.

Georgia Bureau of Investigation(GBI) has stated it
viewed the video before arresting the McMichaels.

Citizen arrest doesnt apply to misdemeanors in GA.
thus the video is probably going to do more harm
than good for the McMichaels defence.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Starman

JB is an attorney and if he was
was representing the Arbery family
he would paint a very different narrative
than the one he just gave.

The McMichaels are going to walk.

JB, would you be kind enough to write a narrative if representing the Arbery family.

I don’t do fiction.

Originally Posted by Starman

Does the whole video show him committing a misdemeanor or felony?

I think that jogger was looking for a job application.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by Starman

Does the whole video show him committing a misdemeanor or felony?

I think that jogger was looking for a job application.

If that's a misdemeanor then the McMichaels
are up schitt river with a leaky boat.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by Starman

Does the whole video show him committing a misdemeanor or felony?

I think that jogger was looking for a job application.

... as a Journeyman apprentice.

They may not be out of the woods, but the narrative that they were just some mean old rednecks who set upon an innocent black jogger is pretty much destroyed.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

They may not be out of the woods, but the narrative that they were just some mean old rednecks who set upon an innocent black jogger is pretty much destroyed.

Not according to the TV media.

That no eared negro on the NBC national news is never going to admit the truth..

It appears to me that he wanted to wire the house for them.
You know, just to help them out...

Now that Arbery kid is never going to get to cure cancer.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Now that Arbery kid is never going to get to cure cancer.

But even in his afterlife he may give Bristoe a heart attack....

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Here is video of the dead jogger casing a house under construction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg8CaecNJI8

Does the whole video show him committing a
misdemeanor or felony?

Round here, it would be a felony.

Entering into a structure, with the intent to commit a crime.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Now that Arbery kid is never going to get to cure cancer.

Or fortify the electrical grid.

Since when did hauling ass after getting caught trying to steal some sheit, become the sport of jogging? I'm betting that's what really happened, time will tell. People get tired of having their sheit stolen, and these two rednecks did some dumb sheit. I don't believe for one minute that they just set out to kill a junebug.

Originally Posted by add

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by Starman

Does the whole video show him committing a misdemeanor or felony?

I think that jogger was looking for a job application.

... as a Journeyman apprentice.

When I was an apprentice and we did Williamsburg Brooklyn, more mornings than not we would run a jogger or two out of the places we were working. The joke was always that the joggers were in there helping us square up the walls. Usually they were sleeping off a drunk or a high, but there was plenty of stealing too.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

It's good for getting 500 Caucasians murdered every time they show a "Roots" marathon.

Every time they show Oprah getting knocked in the head it's good for 750.

The culud folks don't mess around when it comes to Oprah.

Thank goodness they never thought to make a movie where a white southern Sheriff thumps on Stevie Wonder.

Every city in the country would get burned.

Howard Stern said that the few White kids that went to his high school dreaded MLK Day, because if you were White you were sure to be beaten up by a bunch of blacks on that day.

Guilty or innocent the two red necks had to be arrested. That or towns would be burnt down and looted.
Hasbeen

Originally Posted by hasbeen1945

Guilty or innocent the two red necks had to be arrested. That or towns would be burnt down and looted.
Hasbeen

How cozy is that closet you cower in?

Let the towns burn.

I can't understand why a man in his 60's is still living in a podunk town of 16,000 that's 55% black and where you have to chase 'boo burglars around with a shotgun.

He should have got the fug up out of there a long time ago.

I need to make a movie.

"No Country For White Men"

Too late.... the folks ready to riot are already convinced.

A poor innocent choir boy hunted down while just out jogging.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

They may not be out of the woods, but the narrative that they were just some mean old rednecks who set upon an innocent black jogger is pretty much destroyed.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

He should have got the fug up out of there a long time ago.

That is the boomer move isn't it? "Let the joggers have it", and flee to the burbs.

I've made so much money off that I didn't have time to count it all, so I'm not unhappy.

Turns out the joggers will chase behind no matter where you go. Best to root cause the thing.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by Bristoe

He should have got the fug up out of there a long time ago.

That is the boomer move isn't it? "Let the joggers have it", and flee to the burbs.

The boomers didn't start it.

People have been clustering towards their own for a long, long, long time.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The boomers didn't start it

You people have never accepted responsibility for a single thing you've ever done so I'm not quick to trust.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

That is the boomer move isn't it?

That's the talk of someone young enough and stupid enough to think that they can fix the situation.

,...just like the two guys that are being discussed in this thread.

They chose to make themselves a minority and tried to fix it by calling 911 and grabbing a shotgun.

Yeah,...they fixed it.

They're going to prison,..where the population is 60% black,...for killing a black man.

That's the definition of hell.

So talk your stuff and thump your chest.

But don't think a shotgun is enough to overcome being a white man in a predominantly black town.

That's not reality.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

I can't understand why a man in his 60's is still living in a podunk town of 16,000 that's 55% black and where you have to chase 'boo burglars around with a shotgun.

He should have got the fug up out of there a long time ago.

I need to make a movie.

"No Country For White Men"

I am more interested in how a retired cop in a podunk Georgia town affords a $300,000 house.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

That's the talk of someone young enough and stupid enough to think that they can fix the situation.

I can, have, and continue to.

The homes your parents built that you turned over to the joggers? I can have and continue to restore and sell to well off Whites. I price out joggers every day of the week and send them to.....honestly I have no idea where nor do I care. My only real regret is that I didn't come up in the food industry so I could starve them.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by Bristoe

That's the talk of someone young enough and stupid enough to think that they can fix the situation.

I can, have, and continue to.

The homes your parents built that you turned over to the joggers? I can have and continue to restore and sell to well off Whites. I price out joggers every day of the week and send them to.....honestly I have no idea where nor do I care. My only real regret is that I didn't come up in the food industry so I could starve them.

You've not done nothing and you won't do nothing.

You just point your finger at the boomers and make yourself believe that it all started 50 years ago.

This whole mess started before the boomers were even a sperm cell.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

This whole mess started before the boomers were even a sperm cell.

Ok boomer.

Monday I will probably buy a house from a jogger. One of my first, back when it was just me and I went to closings, the jogger asked me why I would want the place. I told him I'd patch the holes in the roof, shore up the foundation, and give the place some curb appeal. He had no idea why holes in the roof were a problem. I rented the place for $2500 a month until I sold it for 3x what I paid the jogger.

Joggers don't think ahead much. Not wildly different from boomers really.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by Bristoe

This whole mess started before the boomers were even a sperm cell.

Ok boomer.

lol,....the rallying cry of young people who don't know where to point their fingers.

Us boomers are going to be gone pretty soon.

You better figure out who you're going to point your finger at next.

It was here when the boomers arrived and it'll be here when we're gone.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

the rallying cry of young people who don't know where to point their fingers.

See here.

I've seen it.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

It was here when the boomers arrived and it'll be here when we're gone.

I'm just one guy and I do what I can. I'm no Oswald Mosley, just a kid who was reared well and had too much energy to do anything other than physical work. And I fell in with the Right crowd. I will never undo the wrongs the millions of you put on this country but I'm doing what I can, and laying the groundwork to get future generations to follow along. I am confident we will eventually right all your wrongs. I wish you'd be alive to see what we can be, what your generation could have been, but you won't.

A little preview: we don't live in fear of joggers, nor will we ever. Foreign concept to you obviously but normal every day stuff to us. I know you'll worry about the plight of the joggers but you don't need to. We will look after them just like any other livestock.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by Bristoe

It was here when the boomers arrived and it'll be here when we're gone.

I'm just one guy and I do what I can. I'm no Oswald Mosley, just a kid who was reared well and had too much energy to do anything other than physical work. And I fell in with the Right crowd. I will never undo the wrongs the millions of you put on this country but I'm doing what I can, and laying the groundwork to get future generations to follow along. I am confident we will eventually right all your wrongs. I wish you'd be alive to see what we can be, what your generation could have been, but you won't.

A little preview: we don't live in fear of joggers, nor will we ever. Foreign concept to you obviously but normal every day stuff to us. I know you'll worry about the plight of the joggers but you don't need to. We will look after them just like any other livestock.

Yeah, well,.....good luck.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

good luck.

It isn't up to luck, boomer.

If you got any sense you'll learn to speak Hungarian and get the hell out of here.

This place will be third world when you're my age.

,..or,...you can buy a shotgun and try your luck.

like I said,..

good

luck.

This has gotten pretty funny. In what universe is it a good idea to grab your shooter and attempt to detain strangers for what you think may have been a crime?

Those 2 buttnuggets will spend the rest of their life braiding their new husbands hair and daddy won't be a caucasian. But by god they stood tall in the face of a jigroe crime rampage, maybe they will be offered the warm embrace of the aryan brotherhood.

mike r

Originally Posted by lvmiker

This has gotten pretty funny. In what universe is it a good idea to grab your shooter and attempt to detain strangers for what you think may have been a crime?

Those 2 buttnuggets will spend the rest of their life braiding their new husbands hair and daddy won't be a caucasian. But by god they stood tall in the face of a jigroe crime rampage, maybe they will be offered the warm embrace of the aryan brotherhood.

mike r

Okay boomer.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

you'll learn to speak Hungarian

I speak German which is just as good.

As I wrote earlier: we are righting your wrongs. We wont give this hard won place to the dark hordes like you did. Not the joggers, nor the muslims, nor the Mexicans...not anyone else. They won't conquer us without a fight.

Go to sleep. Spend your SS money. Enjoy the time you have left. We will do the work you wouldn't and couldn't do.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

I speak German which is just as good.

Western Europe has already been destroyed,..especially Germany.

But anyway,...here's what's waiting.

How old will you be in 2045?

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-...-minority-white-in-2045-census-projects/

America will be a big Brazil in 2045.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Western Europe has already been destroyed

Like I'd trust a boomer to know.

It is amusing to be called a boomer by someone who thinks that is an insult. Buncha lightweights up in here.

mike r

Originally Posted by Stickfight

We wont give this hard won place to the dark hordes like you did. Not the joggers, nor the muslims, nor the Mexicans...not anyone else. They won't conquer us without a fight.

Well,..that sounds good. And I know that there are youngsters talking all of that. But the fact is, at least half of your generation is welcoming in the "dark hordes" with open arms.

Don't ask me why. I suspect it's something that's beyond mortal understanding. But the fact remains,..something has turned a lot of people's brains to schitt,..especially in the western world.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Western Europe has already been destroyed

Like I'd trust a boomer to know.

Well hell, man. It's not a secret. Germany has had a split tail Bolshevik in charge for years.

You need a prayer rug to even visit the place.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

America will be a big Brazil in 2045.

Miscegenation figures into your most lurid fantasies?

Excepting your generation, white women are the most racially loyal there are. I know that conflicts with your Jew deployed fantasies but it remains a steadfast reality. All women inherently want the best for their offspring, and what better historically proven lot than White genetics?

Originally Posted by lvmiker

It is amusing to be called a boomer by someone who thinks that is an insult

The historical record shows that Boomers have never been all that sharp.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

You need a prayer rug to even visit the place.

Been there and needed no such thing.

Where did you go and when?

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Excepting your generation, white women are the most racially loyal there are.

Oh bullshit.

It ain't old boomer grandmas that's hookin' up with Delondre.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by Bristoe

You need a prayer rug to even visit the place.

Been there and needed no such thing.

Where did you go and when?

Leave your women at home next time you visit.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...s-of-violent-immigrant-attacks-1.3952832

The recent series of attacks have revived memories of new year’s eve 2015-2016 in Cologne, when scores of women were assaulted by groups of men, including foreign nationals and some asylum seekers.

Has anyone discussed the prior law trouble by the shootee in this case? And I've yet to see a picture of ol trayvon at the time of his foolishness. Keltec probably made $20 million and GZ should have keltecs forever. Those hardkicking pf9's do work.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

It ain't old boomer grandmas that's hookin' up with Delondre.

How much Jew produced porn do you watch in a given day?

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Leave your women at home next time you visit.

Nein, ich bin kein hahnrei.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by lvmiker

It is amusing to be called a boomer by someone who thinks that is an insult

The historical record shows that Boomers have never been all that sharp.

Your grasp of history is over shadowed by your your devastating ability to sling mean girl insults.

mike r

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Round here, it would be a felony.

If we want to go outside GA and talk felony
let's look at George Zimmerman since the
thread is titled Treyvon Martin.

A concealed carry GZ , was found by LE late at night
on a gunstore owners property. He then lied to police
that he was employed as security. Owner Mr Johnson
and manager Mr. Porter did not support GZs story.

What GZ was caught doing is classed as Felony.
but the owner felt sorry for dipdtick George and
didn't press charges.

But we all know good guy GZ doesn't go around looking
for trouble,.. somehow trouble just seems to find him.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

Your grasp of history

Ok boomer.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

You've not done nothing and you won't do nothing.

You just point your finger at the boomers and make yourself believe that it all started 50 years ago.

This whole mess started before the boomers were even a sperm cell.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Casey Paul Bonhorst was just trying to deliver pizza,......didn't make the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/his-name-...ied-to-black-gang-set-on-robbing-people/

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Stickfight

That is the boomer move isn't it?

That's the talk of someone young enough and stupid enough to think that they can fix the situation.

,...just like the two guys that are being discussed in this thread.

They chose to make themselves a minority and tried to fix it by calling 911 and grabbing a shotgun.

Yeah,...they fixed it.

They're going to prison,..where the population is 60% black,...for killing a black man.

That's the definition of hell.

So talk your stuff and thump your chest.

But don't think a shotgun is enough to overcome being a white man in a predominantly black town.

That's not reality.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Only fat hillbillies understand what's really going on.

They will be acquitted.

Rodney King, Zimmerman, A slew of others where a person is dead and the police show up, investigate and do not detain or make an arrest.

Then the press gets a hold of it, public "DEMANDS" action, so there's an investigation and an arrest.

Grand Jury accepts charges, goes to trial.

A jury hears all the evidence and finds "not guilty" or acquits, To much emphasis put on video evidence.

Police Offciers onthe scene saw enough to convince them it didn't warrant MURDER charges , I could see involuntary manslaughter, that's about it.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

I can't understand why a man in his 60's is still living in a podunk town of 16,000 that's 55% black and where you have to chase 'boo burglars around with a shotgun.

He should have got the fug up out of there a long time ago.

I need to make a movie.

"No Country For White Men"

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by Bristoe

He should have got the fug up out of there a long time ago.

That is the boomer move isn't it? "Let the joggers have it", and flee to the burbs.

I've made so much money off that I didn't have time to count it all, so I'm not unhappy.

Turns out the joggers will chase behind no matter where you go. Best to root cause the thing.

Ok.....that one made me laugh.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Excepting your generation, white women are the most racially loyal there are.

All women inherently want the best for their offspring, and what better historically proven lot than White genetics?

By ‘gets ahold of it’............you mean where the press modifies the storyline to create social/racial unrest?

So many out ‘jogging’ for ‘maud......

Jogger harassment laws coming soon.

Originally Posted by Hancock27

They will be acquitted.

Rodney King, Zimmerman, A slew of others where a person is dead and the police show up, investigate and do not detain or make an arrest.

Then the press gets a hold of it, public "DEMANDS" action, so there's an investigation and an arrest.

Grand Jury accepts charges, goes to trial.

A jury hears all the evidence and finds "not guilty" or acquits, To much emphasis put on video evidence.

Police Offciers onthe scene saw enough to convince them it didn't warrant MURDER charges , I could see involuntary manslaughter, that's about it.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by Bristoe

good luck.

It isn't up to luck, boomer.

Ever hear of "divide and conquer," Stickfight? You've got friends in every age group. Boomers are not a monolith.

Bristoe is a hundred percent right. Those two guys were idiots, but not for the reasons most say they were. They were idiots because they thought this was still a place where neighbors could look out for neighbors. It’s just another example of why the juice ain’t worth the squeeze. They didn’t set out to kill that guy and they had no idea that he would react that way. But he did and they did, and now they are in a world of schit. They each are going to have to spend at least a $100k for an attorney. Even if they somehow stay out of jail they will be sued into oblivion. They are going to be harassed, threatened, and ostracized everywhere they go from here on out for the rest of their lives.

And don’t think it couldn’t/wouldn’t happen to you no matter where you live. These guys had two DA’s pass on the case and probably a third headed that way. But the race hucksters are on it now and if the Georgia grand jury doesn’t indict or they are eventually acquitted, you can expect the feds to get in on it with civil rights charges.

Much much easier to wave at the jogger as he goes past, drink a beer, and reflect upon how nice your new house in the country will be as soon as you can offload the one you have on some sucker.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Bristoe is a hundred percent right. Those two guys were idiots, but not for the reasons most say they were. They were idiots because they thought this was still a place where neighbors could look out for neighbors. It’s just another example of why the juice ain’t worth the squeeze. They didn’t set out to kill that guy and they had no idea that he would react that way. But he did and they did, and now they are in a world of schit. They each are going to have to spend at least a $100k for an attorney. Even if they somehow stay out of jail they will be sued into oblivion. They are going to be harassed, threatened, and ostracized everywhere they go from here on out for the rest of their lives.

And don’t think it couldn’t/wouldn’t happen to you no matter where you live. These guys had two DA’s pass on the case and probably a third headed that way. But the race hucksters are on it now and if the Georgia grand jury doesn’t indict or they are eventually acquitted, you can expect the feds to get in on it with civil rights charges.

Much much easier to wave at the jogger as he goes past, drink a beer, and reflect upon how nice your new house in the country will be as soon as you can offload the one you have on some sucker.

Good post, Joe. Spot on.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by ldholton

How was the jogger dressed?

White sneakers and socks, shorts, short sleeved shirt, possibly a t-shirt.

I wish I knew how to put pictures on here there are slows or frames from the video that show this jogger in your clothing description is not quite accurate especially the shoes

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Ever hear of "divide and conquer," Stickfight? You've got friends in every age group.

Absolutely. There are a lot of great boomers out there.

The ones who deny that anything bad during their generation's watch I don't find particularly useful, apart from making fun of them.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Ever hear of "divide and conquer," Stickfight? You've got friends in every age group.

Absolutely. There are a lot of great boomers out there.

The ones who deny that anything bad during their generation's watch I don't find particularly useful, apart from making fun of them.

We all have our skeletons. I find the ones who complain the most usually have the most to hide.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/style/gen-x-millenials.html

I still haven't heard any facts regarding this case.

Originally Posted by deflave

I still haven't heard any facts regarding this case.

I'm not sure any of us will ever actually hear any facts about this case. Only narratives pertinent to everyone's opinion. Which is what I think you are actually implying. No one's opinion will be changed here, only endless repetition of one's own personal opinion, not really anything new or ground breaking that we haven't seen expressed before. There was a lot that went wrong here and this is just really another excuse for a lot of people to rant and rave and try to show everyone else how well versed they are on current affairs and that they truly have their finger on the pulse of all things relevant and if you don't acknowledge that you are wrong and part of the problem. Nothing to see here, move on. In the end twelve men and women will have to determine the probable outcome of this with no direction from anyone on this forum. The sun has just poked out from behind the clouds as I type this. I think I will go outside and do a little target practice with my new 365XL. Not quite where I want to be with it target wise at this point.

Before I forget, glad to see both you and Gus back. Two totally different realms of input into all things relevant that I have come to appreciate. It has taken me a while to figure out what Gus is saying sometimes, but I have grown to appreciate his somewhat innocence in his opinions expressed here.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Ever hear of "divide and conquer," Stickfight? You've got friends in every age group.

Absolutely. There are a lot of great boomers out there.

The ones who deny that anything bad during their generation's watch I don't find particularly useful, apart from making fun of them.

How does that fit Bristoe?

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Ever hear of "divide and conquer," Stickfight? You've got friends in every age group.

Absolutely. There are a lot of great boomers out there.

The ones who deny that anything bad during their generation's watch I don't find particularly useful, apart from making fun of them.

Oh fugg off.

Originally Posted by deflave

I still haven't heard any facts regarding this case.

You just haven’t been paying attention. Why, there are a few Perry Mason’s on this thread that had all it figured out after the first viewing of that video.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by ldholton

How was the jogger dressed?

White sneakers and socks, shorts, short sleeved shirt, possibly a t-shirt.

One poster on another forum claimed "high tops,unlaced and no socks".

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by deflave

I still haven't heard any facts regarding this case.

You just haven’t been paying attention. Why, there are a few Perry Mason’s on this thread that had all it figured out after the first viewing of that video.

But its all there if you reas the DA’s report.

Dumb and dumber call 911 because a black guy who fits the description of previous unreported break ins went running by their house down the street....

Dumb and dumber paired up with doofus the neighbor, grabbing their guns because the suspect had previously stuck his hand down his pants, making them think he was armed. As well, dumber jr had left a loaded handgun in his unlocked vehicle overnight back in January like all responsible humans do in a suburban community, that had been lost or stolen.

Dumb and dumber blocked the road because they wanted to be hero’s and get high fives from the FOP. Doofus followed the suspect at a safe distance filming it all.

Dumb and dumber brandished their weapons whicj is a felony, trying to detain a citizen which is also a felony..... because they didnt witness said citizen commit a felony, only “potentially” a misdemeanor.

The citizen came around the front of the truck to see dumber jr with a gun pointed at him and he felt threatened so in self defense he did his only reasonable reaction which was to try and unarm dumber jr.

dumber jr shot the victim which was now murder...

The end.

Interesting,

All I saw was a guy go running up to a dude that was holding a shotgun and try to take it from him.
The guy with the shotgun musta had his finger on the trigger cause when the guy pulled on the gun it discharged. So he shot himself, could have even been suicide, I couldn't really tell from where I was sitting...

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by deflave

I still haven't heard any facts regarding this case.

You just haven’t been paying attention. Why, there are a few Perry Mason’s on this thread that had all it figured out after the first viewing of that video.

But its all there if you reas the DA’s report.

Dumb and dumber call 911 because a black guy who fits the description of previous unreported break ins went running by their house down the street....

Dumb and dumber paired up with doofus the neighbor, grabbing their guns because the suspect had previously stuck his hand down his pants, making them think he was armed. As well, dumber jr had left a loaded handgun in his unlocked vehicle overnight back in January like all responsible humans do in a suburban community, that had been lost or stolen.

Dumb and dumber blocked the road because they wanted to be hero’s and get high fives from the FOP. Doofus followed the suspect at a safe distance filming it all.

Dumb and dumber brandished their weapons whicj is a felony, trying to detain a citizen which is also a felony..... because they didnt witness said citizen commit a felony, only “potentially” a misdemeanor.

The citizen came around the front of the truck to see dumber jr with a gun pointed at him and he felt threatened so in self defense he did his only reasonable reaction which was to try and unarm dumber jr.

dumber jr shot the victim which was now murder...

The end.

Pretty much.

But not the end, because now, Dumb and Dumber are going to spend along time in jail.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

But its all there if you reas the DA’s report.

DA report's aren't fact.

You fugking retard.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Pretty much.

But not the end, because now, Dumb and Dumber are going to spend along time in jail.

DA reports are not facts.

Originally Posted by rte

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by ldholton

How was the jogger dressed?

White sneakers and socks, shorts, short sleeved shirt, possibly a t-shirt.

One poster on another forum claimed "high tops,unlaced and no socks".

This is where objective people state:

"I can't tell from the video I watched."

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by deflave

I still haven't heard any facts regarding this case.

You just haven’t been paying attention. Why, there are a few Perry Mason’s on this thread that had all it figured out after the first viewing of that video.

Matlock could have kicked Perry Mason’s a.ss

Originally Posted by JeffA

Interesting,

The guy with the shotgun musta had his finger on the trigger cause when the guy pulled on the gun it discharged. So he shot himself, could have even been suicide, I couldn't really tell from where I was sitting...

I was wondering if he had a semi-auto, it was a bird gun for sure.

Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by deflave

I still haven't heard any facts regarding this case.

You just haven’t been paying attention. Why, there are a few Perry Mason’s on this thread that had all it figured out after the first viewing of that video.

Matlock could have kicked Perry Mason’s a.ss

And Columbo would’ve eaten both their lunches...

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by rte

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by ldholton

How was the jogger dressed?

White sneakers and socks, shorts, short sleeved shirt, possibly a t-shirt.

One poster on another forum claimed "high tops,unlaced and no socks".

This is where objective people state:

"I can't tell from the video I watched."

I can't determine the type of shoes but it certainly appears,in the video,he wasn't wearing socks.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

None of the sheep in California can be trusted with open carry. Be a good sheep, work, and finance the States gun control.

Did anyone see any brandishing in the video, before the fight?

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

These cracker boys need to stock up on vaseline and gauze.. Dumb fuqks... Sure they weren't from Iowa?.

Iowa the free state. That shining bastion of conservatism... Mr wiener they trust us enough in California to allow us hunt big game and predators with center fire rifles chambered in actual bottle neck rifle cartridges unlike Iowa, keep funding that WTF? They trust us enough to allow us to hunt predators at night with center fire rifles. So continue to sit there stewing in your soiled shorts in your double wide and pound away on that keyboard you bitter old prick keep making an A hole out of yourself.

Originally Posted by deflave

I still haven't heard any facts regarding this case.

Then why do you keep posting the same meaningless thing over and over? Do you get your rocks off by meaningless one-sentence posts?

And frankly, my dear, nobody gives a flip whether or not you've heard any facts.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by deflave

I still haven't heard any facts regarding this case.

You just haven’t been paying attention. Why, there are a few Perry Mason’s on this thread that had all it figured out after the first viewing of that video.

But its all there if you reas the DA’s report.

Dumb and dumber call 911 because a black guy who fits the description of previous unreported break ins went running by their house down the street....

Dumb and dumber paired up with doofus the neighbor, grabbing their guns because the suspect had previously stuck his hand down his pants, making them think he was armed. As well, dumber jr had left a loaded handgun in his unlocked vehicle overnight back in January like all responsible humans do in a suburban community, that had been lost or stolen.

Dumb and dumber blocked the road because they wanted to be hero’s and get high fives from the FOP. Doofus followed the suspect at a safe distance filming it all.

Dumb and dumber brandished their weapons whicj is a felony, trying to detain a citizen which is also a felony..... because they didnt witness said citizen commit a felony, only “potentially” a misdemeanor.

The citizen came around the front of the truck to see dumber jr with a gun pointed at him and he felt threatened so in self defense he did his only reasonable reaction which was to try and unarm dumber jr.

dumber jr shot the victim which was now murder...

The end.

Pretty much.

But not the end, because now, Dumb and Dumber are going to spend along time in jail.

Just throwing out a JFC clue here. DA's are PROSECUTORS. That's their J.O.B.

I don't know the facts in this case, but I'd lay 10-1 odds for a substantial amount of money, that the deceased was not out for a jog.

Hope you live a long life......in California.

Please don’t leave and infest another State with your liberal beliefs.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

None of the sheep in California can be trusted with open carry. Be a good sheep, work, and finance the States gun control.

Did anyone see any brandishing in the video, before the fight?

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

These cracker boys need to stock up on vaseline and gauze.. Dumb fuqks... Sure they weren't from Iowa?.

Iowa the free state. That shining bastion of conservatism... Mr wiener they trust us enough in California to allow us hunt big game and predators with center fire rifles chambered in actual bottle neck rifle cartridges unlike Iowa, keep funding that WTF? They trust us enough to allow us to hunt predators at night with center fire rifles. So continue to sit there stewing in your soiled shorts in your double wide and pound away on that keyboard you bitter old prick keep making an A hole out of yourself.

Originally Posted by deflave

I still haven't heard any facts regarding this case.

Neither has the rush to judge crowd. I haven't seen them even mention the 2 videos that have him going into and coming out of a home and people yelling he's running down the road

More t this than the one video

The original video shows it all, they say.

Unless it’s proof the deceased rushed a guy holding a legal shotgun. Then, the video proves nothing.

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by deflave

I still haven't heard any facts regarding this case.

Neither has the rush to judge crowd. I haven't seen them even mention the 2 videos that have him going into and coming out of a home and people yelling he's running down the road

More t this than the one video

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

The original video shows it all, they say.

Unless it’s proof the deceased rushed a guy holding a legal shotgun. Then, the video proves nothing.

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by deflave

I still haven't heard any facts regarding this case.

Neither has the rush to judge crowd. I haven't seen them even mention the 2 videos that have him going into and coming out of a home and people yelling he's running down the road

More t this than the one video

Not exactly Waldo

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by deflave

I still haven't heard any facts regarding this case.

Then why do you keep posting the same meaningless thing over and over? Do you get your rocks off by meaningless one-sentence posts?

And frankly, my dear, nobody gives a flip whether or not you've heard any facts.

My hope is that one day the majority of Americans will figure out how these things and work, and stop making total asses of themselves every time a Rodney King, Freddie Gray, or Michael Brown has their ass whooped or gets shot.

(fingers crossed)

PS-I still haven't heard any facts regarding this case.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/at...trumps-rhetoric-gives-racists-permission

Took longer than I thought

Originally Posted by mirage243

I don't know the facts in this case, but I'd lay 10-1 odds for a substantial amount of money, that the deceased was not out for a jog.

Seems about right.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Hope you live a long life......in California.

Please don’t leave and infest another State with your liberal beliefs.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

None of the sheep in California can be trusted with open carry. Be a good sheep, work, and finance the States gun control.

Did anyone see any brandishing in the video, before the fight?

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

These cracker boys need to stock up on vaseline and gauze.. Dumb fuqks... Sure they weren't from Iowa?.

Iowa the free state. That shining bastion of conservatism... Mr wiener they trust us enough in California to allow us hunt big game and predators with center fire rifles chambered in actual bottle neck rifle cartridges unlike Iowa, keep funding that WTF? They trust us enough to allow us to hunt predators at night with center fire rifles. So continue to sit there stewing in your soiled shorts in your double wide and pound away on that keyboard you bitter old prick keep making an A hole out of yourself.

Grizz liberal beliefs? Never... Just goes to show for everyone on here to see how ignorant you truly are. Mr wiener you are engaging in identity politics by assuming ones political leanings based on where someone lives... Right out of the liberal playbook. Your a small minded bitter little old man who's obsession with all things California could only indicate that deep down you probably wish you were here in California. Do everyone a favor and just stay there in Iowa until you assume room temperature they wouldn't tolerate you in Wyoming or California... Too funny a parody of the typical corn fed inbred wannabe red neck...

GRIZZ- Do you have anything to contribute? The topic I mean, not the extraordinary tax percentage of your meager income in California.

Keep on funding all that gun control......and then feebly attempt to convince everyone you are a conservative.

California conservative......that’s a good one.

Work and be happy, there’s likely not many other options for you.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Hope you live a long life......in California.

Please don’t leave and infest another State with your liberal beliefs.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

None of the sheep in California can be trusted with open carry. Be a good sheep, work, and finance the States gun control.

Did anyone see any brandishing in the video, before the fight?

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

These cracker boys need to stock up on vaseline and gauze.. Dumb fuqks... Sure they weren't from Iowa?.

Iowa the free state. That shining bastion of conservatism... Mr wiener they trust us enough in California to allow us hunt big game and predators with center fire rifles chambered in actual bottle neck rifle cartridges unlike Iowa, keep funding that WTF? They trust us enough to allow us to hunt predators at night with center fire rifles. So continue to sit there stewing in your soiled shorts in your double wide and pound away on that keyboard you bitter old prick keep making an A hole out of yourself.

Grizz liberal beliefs? Never... Just goes to show for everyone on here to see how ignorant you truly are. Mr wiener you are engaging in identity politics by assuming ones political leanings based on where someone lives... Right out of the liberal playbook. Your a small minded bitter little old man who's obsession with all things California could only indicate that deep down you probably wish you were here in California. Do everyone a favor and just stay there in Iowa until you assume room temperature they wouldn't tolerate you in Wyoming or California... Too funny a parody of the typical corn fed inbred wannabe red neck...

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

GRIZZ- Do you have anything to contribute? The topic I mean, not the extraordinary tax percentage of your meager income in California.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Hope you live a long life......in California.

Please don’t leave and infest another State with your liberal beliefs.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

None of the sheep in California can be trusted with open carry. Be a good sheep, work, and finance the States gun control.

Did anyone see any brandishing in the video, before the fight?

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

These cracker boys need to stock up on vaseline and gauze.. Dumb fuqks... Sure they weren't from Iowa?.

Iowa the free state. That shining bastion of conservatism... Mr wiener they trust us enough in California to allow us hunt big game and predators with center fire rifles chambered in actual bottle neck rifle cartridges unlike Iowa, keep funding that WTF? They trust us enough to allow us to hunt predators at night with center fire rifles. So continue to sit there stewing in your soiled shorts in your double wide and pound away on that keyboard you bitter old prick keep making an A hole out of yourself.

Grizz liberal beliefs? Never... Just goes to show for everyone on here to see how ignorant you truly are. Mr wiener you are engaging in identity politics by assuming ones political leanings based on where someone lives... Right out of the liberal playbook. Your a small minded bitter little old man who's obsession with all things California could only indicate that deep down you probably wish you were here in California. Do everyone a favor and just stay there in Iowa until you assume room temperature they wouldn't tolerate you in Wyoming or California... Too funny a parody of the typical corn fed inbred wannabe red neck...

No, do you? How many times do you use the word liberal any given day? Their gonna get ya Mr can't even hunt Elk in Wyoming without crippling yourself. Go suck on a butter popsicle Buford...

Not so sure this is going to be an effective strategy.

It’s Trump this time.

Originally Posted by UNCCGrad

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/at...trumps-rhetoric-gives-racists-permission

Took longer than I thought

Work, be happy, live a long life.....in California.

When your options are limited, don’t dwell on what you don’t have.....freedoms, things.....all that.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

GRIZZ- Do you have anything to contribute? The topic I mean, not the extraordinary tax percentage of your meager income in California.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Hope you live a long life......in California.

Please don’t leave and infest another State with your liberal beliefs.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

None of the sheep in California can be trusted with open carry. Be a good sheep, work, and finance the States gun control.

Did anyone see any brandishing in the video, before the fight?

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

These cracker boys need to stock up on vaseline and gauze.. Dumb fuqks... Sure they weren't from Iowa?.

Iowa the free state. That shining bastion of conservatism... Mr wiener they trust us enough in California to allow us hunt big game and predators with center fire rifles chambered in actual bottle neck rifle cartridges unlike Iowa, keep funding that WTF? They trust us enough to allow us to hunt predators at night with center fire rifles. So continue to sit there stewing in your soiled shorts in your double wide and pound away on that keyboard you bitter old prick keep making an A hole out of yourself.

Grizz liberal beliefs? Never... Just goes to show for everyone on here to see how ignorant you truly are. Mr wiener you are engaging in identity politics by assuming ones political leanings based on where someone lives... Right out of the liberal playbook. Your a small minded bitter little old man who's obsession with all things California could only indicate that deep down you probably wish you were here in California. Do everyone a favor and just stay there in Iowa until you assume room temperature they wouldn't tolerate you in Wyoming or California... Too funny a parody of the typical corn fed inbred wannabe red neck...

No, do you? How many times do you use the word liberal any given day? Their gonna get ya Mr can't even hunt Elk in Wyoming without crippling yourself. Go suck on a butter popsicle Buford...

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

GRIZZ- Do you have anything to contribute? The topic I mean, not the extraordinary tax percentage of your meager income in California.

Keep on funding all that gun control......and then feebly attempt to convince everyone you are a conservative.

California conservative......that’s a good one.

Work and be happy, there’s likely not many other options for you.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Hope you live a long life......in California.

Please don’t leave and infest another State with your liberal beliefs.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

None of the sheep in California can be trusted with open carry. Be a good sheep, work, and finance the States gun control.

Did anyone see any brandishing in the video, before the fight?

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

These cracker boys need to stock up on vaseline and gauze.. Dumb fuqks... Sure they weren't from Iowa?.

Iowa the free state. That shining bastion of conservatism... Mr wiener they trust us enough in California to allow us hunt big game and predators with center fire rifles chambered in actual bottle neck rifle cartridges unlike Iowa, keep funding that WTF? They trust us enough to allow us to hunt predators at night with center fire rifles. So continue to sit there stewing in your soiled shorts in your double wide and pound away on that keyboard you bitter old prick keep making an A hole out of yourself.

Grizz liberal beliefs? Never... Just goes to show for everyone on here to see how ignorant you truly are. Mr wiener you are engaging in identity politics by assuming ones political leanings based on where someone lives... Right out of the liberal playbook. Your a small minded bitter little old man who's obsession with all things California could only indicate that deep down you probably wish you were here in California. Do everyone a favor and just stay there in Iowa until you assume room temperature they wouldn't tolerate you in Wyoming or California... Too funny a parody of the typical corn fed inbred wannabe red neck...

Mike,

Not to start a fight with you, or derail the thread but this is a serious question. Out of curiosity, I’ve noticed it does seem to be a pattern with you to lash out at anybody or anything California and I’m wondering why? Yes Cali is a liberal haven, but some of the best most conservative people I’ve ever met lived there as well.

It’s true that just because somebody lives in a red or blue state doesn’t make someone red or blue. It’s just a place to live. Sometimes for various reasons some of us have to make a home somewhere where the politics might not be to our liking. There is more than political identity to life.

Again, not picking a fight. Just curious. And just in case you’re wondering, no I’m not a Californian but I did live there for four years. Not by choice. I was stationed there by the army. Honestly, some of the best years of my life. The area, quality of life, fishing and hunting was some of the best and most beautiful I’ve ever experienced. You couldn’t pay me enough to live there today personally though, but there are still some freakin awesome people there who do.

Keep reading about a hammer being ditched before the encounter.

Is this established?

You’re kinda fixated on California. We’re you gang raped there or something? I mean I get it because I left but good hell give it a rest.

Hey Dryfly24....... did you see GRIZZ’s first post on this thread?

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

These cracker boys need to stock up on vaseline and gauze.. Dumb fuqks... Sure they weren't from Iowa?.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Hey fly.....did you see GRIZZ’s first post on this thread?

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

These cracker boys need to stock up on vaseline and gauze.. Dumb fuqks... Sure they weren't from Iowa?.

That might explain why this time but not every other time?

Lots of Californians are fixated on gang rapes......it’s a way of life out there.

Got some good homo jokes, I’ll bet.

Originally Posted by Springcove

You’re kinda fixated on California. We’re you gang raped there or something? I mean I get it because I left but good hell give it a rest.

Mike,

Don't let Salmonella read your California comments.

He will fly to your house and kick your ass. Or at least talk about it.

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

GRIZZ- Do you have anything to contribute? The topic I mean, not the extraordinary tax percentage of your meager income in California.

Keep on funding all that gun control......and then feebly attempt to convince everyone you are a conservative.

California conservative......that’s a good one.

Work and be happy, there’s likely not many other options for you.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Hope you live a long life......in California.

Please don’t leave and infest another State with your liberal beliefs.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

None of the sheep in California can be trusted with open carry. Be a good sheep, work, and finance the States gun control.

Did anyone see any brandishing in the video, before the fight?

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

These cracker boys need to stock up on vaseline and gauze.. Dumb fuqks... Sure they weren't from Iowa?.

Iowa the free state. That shining bastion of conservatism... Mr wiener they trust us enough in California to allow us hunt big game and predators with center fire rifles chambered in actual bottle neck rifle cartridges unlike Iowa, keep funding that WTF? They trust us enough to allow us to hunt predators at night with center fire rifles. So continue to sit there stewing in your soiled shorts in your double wide and pound away on that keyboard you bitter old prick keep making an A hole out of yourself.

Grizz liberal beliefs? Never... Just goes to show for everyone on here to see how ignorant you truly are. Mr wiener you are engaging in identity politics by assuming ones political leanings based on where someone lives... Right out of the liberal playbook. Your a small minded bitter little old man who's obsession with all things California could only indicate that deep down you probably wish you were here in California. Do everyone a favor and just stay there in Iowa until you assume room temperature they wouldn't tolerate you in Wyoming or California... Too funny a parody of the typical corn fed inbred wannabe red neck...

Mike,

Not to start a fight with you, or derail the thread but this is a serious question. Out of curiosity, I’ve noticed it does seem to be a pattern with you to lash out at anybody or anything California and I’m wondering why? Yes Cali is a liberal haven, but some of the best most conservative people I’ve ever met lived there as well.

It’s true that just because somebody lives in a red or blue state doesn’t make someone red or blue. It’s just a place to live. Sometimes for various reasons some of us have to make a home somewhere where the politics might not be to our liking. There is more than political identity to life.

Again, not picking a fight. Just curious. And just in case you’re wondering, no I’m not a Californian but I did live there for four years. Not by choice. I was stationed there by the army. Honestly, some of the best years of my life. The area, quality of life, fishing and hunting was some of the best and most beautiful I’ve ever experienced. You couldn’t pay me enough to live there today personally though, but there are still some freakin awesome people there who do.

Don't try and reason with Mr wiener... You can't fix ignorant. Boy's never been off the farm..

My thoughts exactly......only replace with Californians.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Ever hear of "divide and conquer," Stickfight? You've got friends in every age group.

Absolutely. There are a lot of great boomers out there.

The ones who deny that anything bad during their generation's watch I don't find particularly useful, apart from making fun of them.

They all like to talk......and pay taxes.......and relinquish liberties.

Originally Posted by deflave

Mike,

Don't let Salmonella read your California comments.

He will fly to your house and kick your ass. Or at least talk about it.

GRIZZ- I wish you all the success you deserve.....in California.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

GRIZZ- Do you have anything to contribute? The topic I mean, not the extraordinary tax percentage of your meager income in California.

Keep on funding all that gun control......and then feebly attempt to convince everyone you are a conservative.

California conservative......that’s a good one.

Work and be happy, there’s likely not many other options for you.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Hope you live a long life......in California.

Please don’t leave and infest another State with your liberal beliefs.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

None of the sheep in California can be trusted with open carry. Be a good sheep, work, and finance the States gun control.

Did anyone see any brandishing in the video, before the fight?

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

These cracker boys need to stock up on vaseline and gauze.. Dumb fuqks... Sure they weren't from Iowa?.

Iowa the free state. That shining bastion of conservatism... Mr wiener they trust us enough in California to allow us hunt big game and predators with center fire rifles chambered in actual bottle neck rifle cartridges unlike Iowa, keep funding that WTF? They trust us enough to allow us to hunt predators at night with center fire rifles. So continue to sit there stewing in your soiled shorts in your double wide and pound away on that keyboard you bitter old prick keep making an A hole out of yourself.

Grizz liberal beliefs? Never... Just goes to show for everyone on here to see how ignorant you truly are. Mr wiener you are engaging in identity politics by assuming ones political leanings based on where someone lives... Right out of the liberal playbook. Your a small minded bitter little old man who's obsession with all things California could only indicate that deep down you probably wish you were here in California. Do everyone a favor and just stay there in Iowa until you assume room temperature they wouldn't tolerate you in Wyoming or California... Too funny a parody of the typical corn fed inbred wannabe red neck...

Mike,

Not to start a fight with you, or derail the thread but this is a serious question. Out of curiosity, I’ve noticed it does seem to be a pattern with you to lash out at anybody or anything California and I’m wondering why? Yes Cali is a liberal haven, but some of the best most conservative people I’ve ever met lived there as well.

It’s true that just because somebody lives in a red or blue state doesn’t make someone red or blue. It’s just a place to live. Sometimes for various reasons some of us have to make a home somewhere where the politics might not be to our liking. There is more than political identity to life.

Again, not picking a fight. Just curious. And just in case you’re wondering, no I’m not a Californian but I did live there for four years. Not by choice. I was stationed there by the army. Honestly, some of the best years of my life. The area, quality of life, fishing and hunting was some of the best and most beautiful I’ve ever experienced. You couldn’t pay me enough to live there today personally though, but there are still some freakin awesome people there who do.

Don't try and reason with Mr wiener... You can't fix ignorant. Boy's never been off the farm..

Originally Posted by mirage243

I don't know the facts in this case, but I'd lay 10-1 odds for a substantial amount of money, that the deceased was not out for a jog.

You could very well be right. But, from what you saw on the video did the black jogger have the right to resist being accosted and cut off by the gun wielding person? Now put yourself in his position and think about it. If an armed civilian non law enforcement ran you down with a truck and started ordering you to comply with whatever would you have the right to resist? One of the worst things you can do is let a hostile someone take control of you. It is why women are advised to never allow themselves to be kidnapped. They are advised to fight it out right there. If an armed person with a firearm accosts me when I am not armed I hope I will grab onto him and try to take him down.

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by mirage243

I don't know the facts in this case, but I'd lay 10-1 odds for a substantial amount of money, that the deceased was not out for a jog.

You could very well be right. But, from what you saw on the video did the black jogger have the right to resist being accosted and cut off by the gun wielding person? Now put yourself in his position and think about it. If an armed civilian non law enforcement ran you down with a truck and started ordering you to comply with whatever would you have the right to resist? One of the worst things you can do is let a hostile someone take control of you. It is why women are advised to never allow themselves to be kidnapped. They are advised to fight it out right there. If an armed person with a firearm accosts me when I am not armed I hope I will grab onto him and try to take him down.

You’re right the chances he was jogging are about on par with those that Epstein killed himself...

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by mirage243

I don't know the facts in this case, but I'd lay 10-1 odds for a substantial amount of money, that the deceased was not out for a jog.

You could very well be right. But, from what you saw on the video did the black jogger have the right to resist being accosted and cut off by the gun wielding person? Now put yourself in his position and think about it. If an armed civilian non law enforcement ran you down with a truck and started ordering you to comply with whatever would you have the right to resist? One of the worst things you can do is let a hostile someone take control of you. It is why women are advised to never allow themselves to be kidnapped. They are advised to fight it out right there. If an armed person with a firearm accosts me when I am not armed I hope I will grab onto him and try to take him down.

But he was black..... and when we was a minor, 7-8yrs ago he might have taken a gun to school... and they saw him pit his hands down his pants previously...

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

But its all there if you reas the DA’s report.

DA report's aren't fact.

You fugking retard.

Enlighten me then o’ holy 24hr campfire god...

Which of the talking points that i wrote out havent been shown via video’s or testimony from the only living ones to walk away from this.

Well thank you Mr wiener. I have had success hunting Wyoming, Texas, Colorado, Idaho, Utah, Nevada and California without loosing a knee or injuring myself unlike you. Sounds like you would be a liability on a big game hunt. Best stick to hunting the cornfields where your safe Jethro...

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Enlighten me then o’ holy 24hr campfire god...

I just did you stupid fugk.

I'm wondering just how far this case will be moving along in September/October right before the elections. The Dems and the MSM will want it to be front page news.

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I just did you stupid fugk.

Did they make you repeat kindergarten?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

But its all there if you reas the DA’s report.

DA report's aren't fact.

You fugking retard.

Enlighten me then o’ holy 24hr campfire god...

Which of the talking points that i wrote out havent been shown via video’s or testimony from the only living ones to walk away from this.

DA reads the information from the police reports, eye witness accounts, and god forbid any statements made by the arrested without an attorney present.

The the DA make a decision whether to believe or not believe the information, saying the The State believes based on the information gathered that it should go before a Grand Jury or not enough information there to charge the men.

Everything in the report, eyewitness accounts, and even statements made, could be complete bs, lies, half truths, or accurate as my 6.5 PRC rifle is.

😎

Same same.

Still not enough information to make a call.

Every time folks start yelling for justice,what they really mean is they want everyone involved to die.

Happens every time.

I translate that as you like to poop on someone else’s curb, to keep your curb nice.

Your hunting resume needs some padding. Try a banana.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Well thank you Mr wiener. I have had success hunting Wyoming, Texas, Colorado, Idaho, Utah, Nevada and California without loosing a knee or injuring myself unlike you. Sounds like you would be a liability on a big game hunt. Best stick to hunting the cornfields where your safe Jethro...

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Quote

I just did you stupid fugk.

Did they make you repeat kindergarten?

Kindergarten was where I first determined school teachers are stupid.

And I wasn't wrong.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Enlighten me then o’ holy 24hr campfire god...

I just did you stupid fugk.

Thanks for your in depth dissection of the various talking points...

Im glad to be graced with presence of the enlightened one...

Originally Posted by Beaver10

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

But its all there if you reas the DA’s report.

DA report's aren't fact.

You fugking retard.

Enlighten me then o’ holy 24hr campfire god...

Which of the talking points that i wrote out havent been shown via video’s or testimony from the only living ones to walk away from this.

DA reads the information from the police reports, eye witness accounts, and god forbid any statements made by the arrested without an attorney present.

The the DA make a decision whether to believe or not believe the information, saying the The State believes based on the information gathered that it should go before a Grand Jury or not enough information there to charge the men.

Everything in the report, eyewitness accounts, and even statements made, could be complete bs, lies, half truths, or accurate as my 6.5 PRC rifle is.

😎

Thanks McFly.... Im asking what talking points that I posted, as the time line per se, aren’t proven via the 911 call, the testimony of the charged (incriminating themselves) or the videos.

I forgot, hes black...

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Thanks McFly.... Im asking what talking points that I posted, as the time line per se, aren’t proven via the 911 call, the testimony of the charged (incriminating themselves) or the videos.

I forgot, hes black...

What a fugkin' genius.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Beaver10

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

But its all there if you reas the DA’s report.

DA report's aren't fact.

You fugking retard.

Enlighten me then o’ holy 24hr campfire god...

Which of the talking points that i wrote out havent been shown via video’s or testimony from the only living ones to walk away from this.

DA reads the information from the police reports, eye witness accounts, and god forbid any statements made by the arrested without an attorney present.

The the DA make a decision whether to believe or not believe the information, saying the The State believes based on the information gathered that it should go before a Grand Jury or not enough information there to charge the men.

Everything in the report, eyewitness accounts, and even statements made, could be complete bs, lies, half truths, or accurate as my 6.5 PRC rifle is.

😎

Thanks McFly.... Im asking what talking points that I posted, as the time line per se, aren’t proven via the 911 call, the testimony of the charged (incriminating themselves) or the videos.

I forgot, hes black...

You’re welcome, dumbfück 😬😎

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Thanks for your in depth dissection of the various talking points...

Im glad to be graced with presence of the enlightened one...

STFU or keep making an ass of yourself. I don't care which.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

But its all there if you reas the DA’s report.

DA report's aren't fact.

DA Barnhill who recused himself from the case
simply says "it appears" when refering to details
of the case, in other words its merely his opinion.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

.. dumber jr had left a loaded handgun in his unlocked vehicle overnight back in January like all responsible humans do in a suburban community, that had been lost or stolen.

His upbringing and guidance was under that of a LE father
and close knit LE community.... No surprise that the same
man who raised him assisted him with the Public road block
armed manhunt for a misdemeanor.

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STFU or keep making an ass of yourself. I don't care which.

Irony.....

Looks like the nogger was in the house that day, just as reported to police.

Lookin for somethin ta steal.

Then when a neighbor yelled at him, he ran like a, well, you know:

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1259227548019556353

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Quote

STFU or keep making an ass of yourself. I don't care which.

Irony.....

You gonna get a job this summer?

Or just ride your bicycle?

LOL

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Quote

STFU or keep making an ass of yourself. I don't care which.

Irony.....

You gonna get a job this summer?

Or just ride your bicycle?

LOL

Well, since this topic has just about played out anyhow....

Got some bird surveys lined up, but that's free money for me. Since I could be stuck here there's always teaching stuff to pick up as I usually did in the past when I was here.

I was supposed to go see my mom and other relatives up in New York, but with the virus that's still off the table. If I do go, I like to spend as long as possible with my mom, ya never know if its the last and I've been gone so much over the last 45 years. Used to be about going out and doing cool stuff with my nephews too but the youngest of them just went off to college. I'm real close to my cousin/brother in Pa. but he's high risk if he gets covid, "dead fer sure" as he puts it

Bicycle-wise, I never did do the Seminole-Cloudcroft-Capitan leg of my bike trip last summer, so it remains to be done. "Only" about 650 miles from here but the 200 mile stretch between Seminole and Cloudcroft would be rough. Done that whole ride many times on a motorcycle back in the day, just a long, hot day twisting the wrist is all, whole 'nother ballgame on a bicycle of course.

So I was sorta figuring the first three weeks ride to a friend's place outside of Capitan and visit, then bus the bike and me back home, and then drive up to NY. Stay away from hotels/motels and it can be done pretty cheap. Dunno what will happen now.

Looks like some folks try to mix jogging and shopping.

Whod have thunk it?

Fat chance....

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Well, since this topic has just about played out anyhow....

National news just starting,.....another day of coverage on the event.

No mention of the old white couple murdered by a black man in Delaware.

What about the hammer? Was there one?

Did he pitch it before the confrontation?

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by mirage243

I don't know the facts in this case, but I'd lay 10-1 odds for a substantial amount of money, that the deceased was not out for a jog.

You could very well be right. But, from what you saw on the video did the black jogger have the right to resist being accosted and cut off by the gun wielding person?

I was accosted by a team of men, all armed, demanding I stop and talk to them, tell them what I'm doing in the neighborhood, where I live, etc..

I was taking my typical evening stroll, and I was a few blocks from my home. I guess it was more than ten years ago. Quite dark out. I turned a corner, and from four blocks away I saw bright headlights lighting me up, to the point I was blinded by them. I decided to go one block further before turning south, so as to avoid walking into these bright lights. However, then I heard tires screeching, and the headlights were quickly barreling down on my location ... two or three vehicles (been a while, so I can't remember which). As they bore down on me, I quickly stepped off the road onto the grass of someone's home, hoping to avoid being run down. The vehicles all stopped in front of me, and several men came out with guns, charged at me demanding I identify myself, and why I was out walking in this area. They also demanded my address, and wanted to know why I suddenly changed direction when I saw their vehicles a few blocks away.

I told them all the answers to their questions, including why I changed direction, and they all came over, smiled, shook my hand, and apologized if they startled me . They were all uniformed cops, in marked patrol vehicles, looking for a criminal last seen in the area.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

National news just starting,.....another day of coverage on the event.

No mention of the old white couple murdered by a black man in Delaware.

Shocking? Not!

😎

Originally Posted by Bristoe

National news just starting,.....another day of coverage on the event.

No mention of the old white couple murdered by a black man in Delaware.

Delaware case is pretty boring: bad guy kills couple, gets in shootout with cops, dies.

Georgia: bad guys kill man in street, call cops, lie to cops, cops lie to da, da lies for bad guys, media gets wind of story, blasts it everywhere, da tells bad guys sorry [bleep], you are on your own, recuses himself, bad guys get charged with murder.

That's pretty good TV.

Oh, and I never thought to go for one of their guns. In fact, I was carrying a Colt Detective Special .38 at the time, and never thought to shoot it out with them. It remained under my jacket.

Originally Posted by 19352012

Originally Posted by Bristoe

National news just starting,.....another day of coverage on the event.

No mention of the old white couple murdered by a black man in Delaware.

Delaware case is pretty boring: bad guy kills couple, gets in shootout with cops, dies.

Georgia: bad guys kill man in street, call cops, lie to cops, cops lie to da, da lies for bad guys, media gets wind of story, blasts it everywhere, da tells bad guys sorry [bleep], you are on your own, recuses himself, bad guys get charged with murder.

That's pretty good TV.

Every instance of black on white murder must be too boring for the national news, I guess.

It's never reported.

You should apply for a job at NBC or CNN. You have a knack......

Originally Posted by 19352012

Originally Posted by Bristoe

National news just starting,.....another day of coverage on the event.

No mention of the old white couple murdered by a black man in Delaware.

Delaware case is pretty boring: bad guy kills couple, gets in shootout with cops, dies.

Georgia: bad guys kill man in street, call cops, lie to cops, cops lie to da, da lies for bad guys, media gets wind of story, blasts it everywhere, da tells bad guys sorry [bleep], you are on your own, recuses himself, bad guys get charged with murder.

That's pretty good TV.

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I was accosted by a team of men, all armed, demanding I stop and talk to them, tell them what I'm doing in the neighborhood, where I live, etc..

I was riding my bicycle home from school late one night past the scary stretch, no lights, blacked out as usual. A passing sedan, all thugged out with rims etc dark tinted windows, suddenly screeched to a halt just in front, passenger-side window scrolls down.

Oh heck! I'm about to get robbed/shot/jumped/whatever.....

.......It was a student, wanting to say Hi

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Quote

I was accosted by a team of men, all armed, demanding I stop and talk to them, tell them what I'm doing in the neighborhood, where I live, etc..

I was riding my bicycle home from school late one night past the scary stretch, no lights, blacked out as usual. A passing sedan, all thugged out with rims etc dark tinted windows, suddenly screeched to a halt just in front, passenger-side window scrolls down.

Oh heck! I'm about to get robbed/shot/jumped/whatever.....

.......It was a student, wanting to say Hi

What gave you away? The binoculars?

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Quote

I was accosted by a team of men, all armed, demanding I stop and talk to them, tell them what I'm doing in the neighborhood, where I live, etc..

I was riding my bicycle home from school late one night past the scary stretch, no lights, blacked out as usual. A passing sedan, all thugged out with rims etc dark tinted windows, suddenly screeched to a halt just in front, passenger-side window scrolls down.

Oh heck! I'm about to get robbed/shot/jumped/whatever.....

.......It was a student, wanting to say Hi

LOL.

First time that happened it WAS a Cop, plain clothes in I think a fancy Mustang coupe or something along those lines. He was a Black guy with his badge on a chain around his neck.

Actually I think he really stopped me to see who I was, but his stated reason was to tell me I should have lights because I was invisible out there, I pointed the lights I weren’t using and told him that was the point. After all, why was he out there at that time of night? 🙂

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

First time that happened it WAS a Cop, plain clothes in I think a fancy Mustang coupe or something along those lines. He was a Black guy with his badge on a chain around his neck.

Actually I think he really stopped me to see who I was, but his stated reason was to tell me I should have lights because I was invisible out there, I showed him the lights I weren’t using and told him that was the point. After all, why was he out there at that time of night? 🙂

If that cop tells you to try some dope, don't do it. He's just setting you up so you can't later report him for drug dealing, murder, and other criminal dealings with the Russian Mafia.

[Linked Image from consequenceofsound.net]

[Linked Image from consequenceofsound.net]

Originally Posted by JoeBob

These guys had two DA’s pass on the case and probably a third headed that way...

DA Johnson passed cause of conflict of interest.
with McMichael Snr. having worked in their dept
for 20 yrs before recently retiring... they handed
the case to DA Barnhill who also recused himself
also due to conflict of interest/ his attorney son
working in the same dept. as G. McMichael.

George Barnhill wrote to Glynn County Captain Tom Jump
Feb 23rd, saying that "it appears" the McMichaels were
justified in their 'hot persuit' citizen arrest, because they
had "first hand solid probable cause" that Arbery was
a burglary suspect..
(also citing the GA statute for citizen arrest in the letter.)

However the owner of the property in the video
MR. English, has said he has not had anything
stolen or reported any such.

What chance does the defence have of proving
that Arbery committed a felony?.. (ie) how
they going to show that Arbery was conducting
burglary/ there with 'intent' to commit robbery...?

For the record the current DA assigned to the case
is Mr.Durden.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

That character was based on a real dude.

Be careful out there.

Just yesterday I got to put some hours in on the bicycle, and part of it was alongside traffic on a busy access road on the shoulder. Lines of traffic, stoplights, just a sucky place to be on a bicycle but which I gotta take to get from Point A to Point B.

I’m passing this car stopped in line and these people in it start screaming “Mr Bird! Mr Bird!”, it was some students from three years back, now going to college in Corpus.

I said what I always say to students/former students in that situation. I pointed at the bicycle and told them that if they stayed in school and studied hard, one day they might get to ride one of these too 🙂

Did someone mention bicycles?

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Did someone mention bicycles?

No, stop changing the subject.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Did someone mention bicycles?

Paul, you need to quit screwing around and get one of these:

[Linked Image from cycleworld.com]

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Did someone mention bicycles?

Paul, you need to quit screwing around and get one of these:

[Linked Image from cycleworld.com]

I kinda lust after the FTR 1200.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Did someone mention bicycles?

Paul, you need to quit screwing around and get one of these:

[Linked Image from cycleworld.com]

I kinda lust after the FTR 1200.

They are pretty sweet as well, but I’m more a Triumph Bonnie or Scrambler guy in a lighter bike.

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Did someone mention bicycles?

Paul, you need to quit screwing around and get one of these:

[Linked Image from cycleworld.com]

I kinda lust after the FTR 1200.

They are pretty sweet as well, but I’m more a Triumph Bonnie or Scrambler guy in a lighter bike.

I still have an unmet religious obligation to own a Harley, Sportsters are too small, Softails and Glides too big. Maybe I’ll buy a Honda and put HD stickers on it.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by JoeBob

These guys had two DA’s pass on the case and probably a third headed that way...

DA Johnson passed cause of conflict of interest.
with McMichael Snr. having worked in their dept
for 20 yrs before recently retiring... they handed
the case to DA Barnhill who also recused himself
also due to conflict of interest/ his attorney son
working in the same dept. as G. McMichael.

George Barnhill wrote to Glynn County Captain Tom Jump
Feb 23rd, saying that "it appears" the McMichaels were
justified in their 'hot persuit' citizen arrest, because they
had "first hand solid probable cause" that Arbery was
a burglary suspect..
(also citing the GA statute for citizen arrest in the letter.)

However the owner of the property in the video
MR. English, has said he has not had anything
stolen or reported any such.

What chance does the defence have of proving
that Arbery committed a felony?.. (ie) how
they going to show that Arbery was conducting
burglary/ there with 'intent' to commit robbery...?

For the record the current DA assigned to the case
is Mr.Durden.

Defense doesn’t have to prove that. Open carry in Georgia is legal. It’s legal to ask someone to stop and talk on the street. It’s legal to do it while holding a firearm. Prosecution is going to need to show that he pointed the shotgun at the jogger or verbally threatened him.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

I translate that as you like to poop on someone else’s curb, to keep your curb nice.

Your hunting resume needs some padding. Try a banana.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Well thank you Mr wiener. I have had success hunting Wyoming, Texas, Colorado, Idaho, Utah, Nevada and California without loosing a knee or injuring myself unlike you. Sounds like you would be a liability on a big game hunt. Best stick to hunting the cornfields where your safe Jethro...

Your double wide more than likely is padded on the inside to complement you in your straight jacket. Keep obsessing over a hammer stupid senile fuqk.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

I still have an unmet religious obligation to own a Harley, Sportsters are too small, Softails and Glides too big. Maybe I’ll buy a Honda and put HD stickers on it.

Bikes are not real expensive.

Maybe you should just buy one. And then ride it.

No, no, no, JoeBob. The experts here have officially declared both hillbillies were ‘brandishing’ their open-carry firearms.

The video does not show that, but the experts just filled in the blanks.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by JoeBob

These guys had two DA’s pass on the case and probably a third headed that way...

DA Johnson passed cause of conflict of interest.
with McMichael Snr. having worked in their dept
for 20 yrs before recently retiring... they handed
the case to DA Barnhill who also recused himself
also due to conflict of interest/ his attorney son
working in the same dept. as G. McMichael.

George Barnhill wrote to Glynn County Captain Tom Jump
Feb 23rd, saying that "it appears" the McMichaels were
justified in their 'hot persuit' citizen arrest, because they
had "first hand solid probable cause" that Arbery was
a burglary suspect..
(also citing the GA statute for citizen arrest in the letter.)

However the owner of the property in the video
MR. English, has said he has not had anything
stolen or reported any such.

What chance does the defence have of proving
that Arbery committed a felony?.. (ie) how
they going to show that Arbery was conducting
burglary/ there with 'intent' to commit robbery...?

For the record the current DA assigned to the case
is Mr.Durden.

Defense doesn’t have to prove that. Open carry in Georgia is legal. It’s legal to ask someone to stop and talk on the street. It’s legal to do it while holding a firearm. Prosecution is going to need to show that he pointed the shotgun at the jogger or verbally threatened him.

You’re very quick-witted, for a Californian.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Your double wide more than likely is padded on the inside to complement you in your straight jacket. Keep obsessing over a hammer stupid senile fuqk.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Did someone mention bicycles?

Paul, you need to quit screwing around and get one of these:

[Linked Image from cycleworld.com]

I kinda lust after the FTR 1200.

They are pretty sweet as well, but I’m more a Triumph Bonnie or Scrambler guy in a lighter bike.

I still have an unmet religious obligation to own a Harley, Sportsters are too small, Softails and Glides too big. Maybe I’ll buy a Honda and put HD stickers on it.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

I still have an unmet religious obligation to own a Harley, Sportsters are too small, Softails and Glides too big. Maybe I’ll buy a Honda and put HD stickers on it.

Bikes are not real expensive.

Maybe you should just buy one. And then ride it.

Yep. Just buy one and you’ll have so much fun you won’t give a schit what’s on the tank.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

You’re very quick-witted, for a Californian.

Originally Posted by GRIZZ

Your double wide more than likely is padded on the inside to complement you in your straight jacket. Keep obsessing over a hammer stupid senile fuqk.

From what I've seen your stupidity is about normal for an Iowan

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Yep. Just buy one and you’ll have so much fun you won’t give a schit what’s on the tank.

Fuggin' guy acts like you gotta buy the things through SpaceX.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

I still have an unmet religious obligation to own a Harley, Sportsters are too small, Softails and Glides too big. Maybe I’ll buy a Honda and put HD stickers on it.

Bikes are not real expensive.

Maybe you should just buy one. And then ride it.

Priorities, I’m racing the clock, I don’t wanna put a nickel out of line till I’m out of debt. The bicycle trips are racing the clock too, an inexpensive and worthy endeavor, while I still can.

So until then I’ll just whine about it when the topic comes up.

.....and the Kid has told me several times I’m not allowed to buy one 🙂. Too dangerous.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Priorities, I’m racing the clock, I don’t wanna put a nickel out of line till I’m out of debt. The bicycle trips are racing the clock too, an inexpensive and worthy endeavor, while I still can.

So until then I’ll just whine about it when the topic comes up.

You're lazy. Just say that you're lazy.

As happens far to frequently on the campfire, this thread, long ago, slid off into the septic tank.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by mirage243

I don't know the facts in this case, but I'd lay 10-1 odds for a substantial amount of money, that the deceased was not out for a jog.

You could very well be right. But, from what you saw on the video did the black jogger have the right to resist being accosted and cut off by the gun wielding person?

I was accosted by a team of men, all armed, demanding I stop and talk to them, tell them what I'm doing in the neighborhood, where I live, etc..

I was taking my typical evening stroll, and I was a few blocks from my home. I guess it was more than ten years ago. Quite dark out. I turned a corner, and from four blocks away I saw bright headlights lighting me up, to the point I was blinded by them. I decided to go one block further before turning south, so as to avoid walking into these bright lights. However, then I heard tires screeching, and the headlights were quickly barreling down on my location ... two or three vehicles (been a while, so I can't remember which). As they bore down on me, I quickly stepped off the road onto the grass of someone's home, hoping to avoid being run down. The vehicles all stopped in front of me, and several men came out with guns, charged at me demanding I identify myself, and why I was out walking in this area. They also demanded my address, and wanted to know why I suddenly changed direction when I saw their vehicles a few blocks away.

I told them all the answers to their questions, including why I changed direction, and they all came over, smiled, shook my hand, and apologized if they startled me . They were all uniformed cops, in marked patrol vehicles, looking for a criminal last seen in the area.

Your comparison of your incident with the "jogger" incident in question is basically comparing apples and space rocks. You quoted me and left out the very pertinent part of my question which described the people accosting said "jogger" as "civilian and non law enforcement". Sort of dishonest to quote a person out of context if the part you leave out changes the question in a major way. I don't mind out of context if the most important thrust of the question is not omitted.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Just yesterday I got to put some hours in on the bicycle, and part of it was alongside traffic on a busy access road on the shoulder. Lines of traffic, stoplights, just a sucky place to be on a bicycle but which I gotta take to get from Point A to Point B.

I’m passing this car stopped in line and these people in it start screaming “Mr Bird! Mr Bird!”, it was some students from three years back, now going to college in Corpus.

I said what I always say to students/former students in that situation. I pointed at the bicycle and told them that if they stayed in school and studied hard, one day they might get to ride one of these too 🙂

So . . . . . . . . . . . your one of the people that I see how close I can get my mirror to without actually dinging them?

TRH telling a story about being stopped by cops, and compare that experience to what happened on this video? Bizarre...

I wonder if he’d feel differently if the two whites were wearing yamakas? 😲

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by mirage243

I don't know the facts in this case, but I'd lay 10-1 odds for a substantial amount of money, that the deceased was not out for a jog.

You could very well be right. But, from what you saw on the video did the black jogger have the right to resist being accosted and cut off by the gun wielding person?

I was accosted by a team of men, all armed, demanding I stop and talk to them, tell them what I'm doing in the neighborhood, where I live, etc..

I was taking my typical evening stroll, and I was a few blocks from my home. I guess it was more than ten years ago. Quite dark out. I turned a corner, and from four blocks away I saw bright headlights lighting me up, to the point I was blinded by them. I decided to go one block further before turning south, so as to avoid walking into these bright lights. However, then I heard tires screeching, and the headlights were quickly barreling down on my location ... two or three vehicles (been a while, so I can't remember which). As they bore down on me, I quickly stepped off the road onto the grass of someone's home, hoping to avoid being run down. The vehicles all stopped in front of me, and several men came out with guns, charged at me demanding I identify myself, and why I was out walking in this area. They also demanded my address, and wanted to know why I suddenly changed direction when I saw their vehicles a few blocks away.

I told them all the answers to their questions, including why I changed direction, and they all came over, smiled, shook my hand, and apologized if they startled me . They were all uniformed cops, in marked patrol vehicles, looking for a criminal last seen in the area.

Your comparison of your incident with the "jogger" incident in question is basically comparing apples and space rocks. You quoted me and left out the very pertinent part of my question which described the people accosting said "jogger" as "civilian and non law enforcement". Sort of dishonest to quote a person out of context if the part you leave out changes the question in a major way. I don't mind out of context if the most important thrust of the question is not omitted.

Reminds me of a situation I was in many years ago when I was a freshman in college, selling books door-to-door in Mississippi. I turned down a cul-de-sac and as I turned around, two vehicles blocked my exit. Fortunately I was able to talk my way out of it, but I expected half expected I as going to find out just how accurate the literature regarding the effectiveness of the .357 Magnum, 125gr Winchester Silvertip as a man stopper really was. I would of felt a lot more comfortable if I had to shoot these boys in Wyoming. I'd committed no offense, so, regardless, I was ready to do what ever it took, but things sure could of got messy. Perhaps the fact that I was a white boy with Wyoming plates helped, but for different folks, it could of played out much differently.

Originally Posted by deflate

You're lazy. Just say that you're lazy.

OK, I’m lazy.

Overall, I was doing pretty good until the Big D (divorce not dik if you was gonna go there)

A $6,000 motorcycle would set me back about three or four months in paying off debt. Three or four months ain’t very long unless you got maybe seven years until retirement to get everything else done IF yer lucky.

I REALLY wanna clear this debt. End of this year it’s gone, start making payment on a new/newer vehicle while also in another 18 months paying off the house note That’s the plan.

You kids think you’re gonna live forever. Some day when you’re older son you might understand 🙂

I AM sure you’re gonna keep track of my finances.....

Originally Posted by mirage243

So . . . . . . . . . . . your one of the people that I see how close I can get my mirror to without actually dinging them?

I try not to be, I ride with the attitude that if I ever get hit it’s ALWAYS gonna be my fault, for being out there on a bicycle in the first place.

Meanwhile go ahead and play bicyclist chicken if ya want, Jesus don’t care how you treat folks and you don’t got enough legal hassles anyhow..

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Defense doesn’t have to prove that. Open carry in Georgia is legal. It’s legal to ask someone to stop and talk on the street. It’s legal to do it while holding a firearm...

Legal Open carry is one thing, trying to justify citizens arrest is another.

DA Barnhills letter to Cpt. Tom Jump indicates they
were not just trying to talk to Arbery, but commanded
him To Stop, with aid of road block and firearm.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

.. Prosecution is going to need to show that he pointed the shotgun at the jogger or verbally threatened him.

The police report of the incident states Travis
McMichael pointed the shotgun at Arbery.

where would LE get such details... quite possibly
the defendant himself told them that,
.. otherwise how would they know?

Originally Posted by JoeBob

.. It’s legal to ask someone to stop and talk on the street. It’s legal to do it while holding a firearm...

You said you don't do 'fiction', yet you make it sound
like the McMichaels were only trying to have a friendly
neighborhood watch chat with Arbery on a voluntary
basis.

It was nothing of that sort...McMichaels by their own admission were conducting a forced stop citizens arrest. Based on highly dubious 'first hand solid probable cause'.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

No, no, no, JoeBob. The experts here have officially declared both hillbillies were ‘brandishing’ their open-carry firearms.

The video does not show that, but the experts just filled in the blanks...

are you suggesting the police report stating that
Mic. Jnr pointed the weapon at Arbery, got the details wrong?..
. .or they fabricated the details?

Do you know for certain that Mic Jnr did not brandish
the weapon in an intimidating manner before actually
pointing it at Arbery?

Is it reasonably possibly Jnr. brandished the gun
as they shouted STOP! to try and effect a citizens
Arrest,.. which caused Arbery to turn and respond
to the near threat?.. Then have Jnr. point the gun
directly at him?

I do NOT know who did what, at the front of the vehicle......neither do you. Video does NOT show everything, as some like to say.

How can you fill in the blanks, for a conviction?

Didn’t want the kid killed. Get no pleasure from it.

The incident with the hillbillies may not be acceptable, but perhaps understandable.

Folks are tired of other’s stealing their hard-earned stuff.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

No, no, no, JoeBob. The experts here have officially declared both hillbillies were ‘brandishing’ their open-carry firearms.

The video does not show that, but the experts just filled in the blanks...

are you suggesting the police report stating that
Mic. Jnr pointed the weapon at Arbery, got the details wrong?..
. .or they fabricated the details?

Do you know for certain that Mic Jnr did not brandish
the weapon in an intimidating manner before actually
pointing it at Arbery?

Is it reasonably possibly Jnr. brandished the gun
as they shouted STOP! to try and effect a citizens
Arrest,.. which caused Arbery to turn and respond
to the near threat?.. Then have Jnr. point the gun
directly at him?

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

I do NOT know who did what, at the front of the vehicle......neither do you. Video does NOT show everything, as some like to say.

How can you fill in the blanks, for a conviction?

Didn’t want the kid killed. Get no pleasure from it.

The incident with the hillbillies may not be acceptable, but perhaps understandable.

Folks are tired of other’s stealing their hard-earned stuff.

Yep, it has become that way around here, law don't do sheit, never catch anybody except the speeders going to work, only concerned about the revenue stream.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

The incident with the hillbillies may not be acceptable, but perhaps understandable.

Folks are tired of other’s stealing their hard-earned stuff.

Can you read? A few posts ago? The guy who Dumb and Dumber claimed had stuff stolen says he had nothing stolen! Duh!

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by JoeBob

.. It’s legal to ask someone to stop and talk on the street. It’s legal to do it while holding a firearm...

You said you don't do 'fiction', yet you make it sound
like the McMichaels were only trying to have a friendly
neighborhood watch chat with Arbery on a voluntary
basis.

It was nothing of that sort...McMichaels by their own admission were conducting a forced stop citizens arrest. Based on highly dubious 'first hand solid probable cause'.

By their own admission? I haven’t seen admissions from the McMichaels or statements of any kind. All I’ve seen is an officer's summary. Those are frequently highly condensed and sometimes, just wrong.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by deflate

You're lazy. Just say that you're lazy.

OK, I’m lazy.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Can you read? A few posts ago? The guy who Dumb and Dumber claimed had stuff stolen says he had nothing stolen! Duh!

This is one of those times when I'm ashamed to be associated with this forum.

I'm afraid that someday, someone will see I posted on the same forum as a bunch of slack-jawed morons who immediately screamed "RACISTS" about the McMichael's.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

No, no, no, JoeBob. The experts here have officially declared both hillbillies were ‘brandishing’ their open-carry firearms.

The video does not show that, but the experts just filled in the blanks...

are you suggesting the police report stating that
Mic. Jnr pointed the weapon at Arbery, got the details wrong?..
. .or they fabricated the details?

Do you know for certain that Mic Jnr did not brandish
the weapon in an intimidating manner before actually
pointing it at Arbery?

Is it reasonably possibly Jnr. brandished the gun
as they shouted STOP! to try and effect a citizens
Arrest,.. which caused Arbery to turn and respond
to the near threat?.. Then have Jnr. point the gun
directly at him?

If Jr had the gun pointed at the Arbery wouldn't Arbery of been shot when he ran around the front of the truck? Arbery saw Jr at the front drivers side of the truck and went around to the passenger side giving Jr plenty of time to get ready for a kill shot. There's no question the negro would of still been alive to rape and pillage if he'd of just kept running. It's also true if father and son wouldn’t of confronted the Arbery he'd also still be alive. But the more you learn about Arbery the more it's apparent he needed killing.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

This is one of those times when I'm ashamed to be associated with this forum.

I'm afraid that someday, someone will see I posted on the same forum as a bunch of slack-jawed morons who immediately screamed "RACISTS" about the McMichael's.

The funniest thing is a bunch of gun owning homeowners saying overtly racist schit on the internets.

They best pray they never have to wrassle with a jogger themselves. LOL

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

The incident with the hillbillies may not be acceptable, but perhaps understandable.

Folks are tired of other’s stealing their hard-earned stuff.

Can you read? A few posts ago? The guy who Dumb and Dumber claimed had stuff stolen says he had nothing stolen! Duh!

From reports he got caught inside the house before he could steal anything and took off running. Anyone with half a brain knows he wasn't out for a afternoon jog. Common sense isn't very common any more.

Originally Posted by Hastings

Your comparison of your incident with the "jogger" incident in question is basically comparing apples and space rocks. You quoted me and left out the very pertinent part of my question which described the people accosting said "jogger" as "civilian and non law enforcement". Sort of dishonest to quote a person out of context if the part you leave out changes the question in a major way. I don't mind out of context if the most important thrust of the question is not omitted.

Actually, cops are civilians. They are not part of the military and they technically have no more rights than you or I. You & I have just as much ability to enforce the law. You can even write a cop a ticket for speeding.

Or maybe I missed the part about LE being a separate branch in the Constitution.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Actually, cops are civilians. They are not part of the military and they technically have no more rights than you or I. You & I have just as much ability to enforce the law.

Or maybe I missed the part about LE being a separate branch in the Constitution.

I'm not sure what you're citing here but it's very far from accurate.

Originally Posted by TrueGrit

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

The incident with the hillbillies may not be acceptable, but perhaps understandable.

Folks are tired of other’s stealing their hard-earned stuff.

Can you read? A few posts ago? The guy who Dumb and Dumber claimed had stuff stolen says he had nothing stolen! Duh!

From reports he got caught inside the house before he could steal anything and took off running. Anyone with half a brain knows he wasn't out for a afternoon jog. Common sense isn't very common any more.

Not sure I agree. Plenty of people on here "knows he wasn't out for a jog" and they got less than half a brain. Some of you much less than half.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Actually, cops are civilians. They are not part of the military and they technically have no more rights than you or I. You & I have just as much ability to enforce the law.

Or maybe I missed the part about LE being a separate branch in the Constitution.

I'm not sure what you're citing here but it's very far from accurate.

What part is inaccurate? If they aren't civilians are they military? Royalty?
Nope. You can cite a cop for breaking the law too. The executive branch is civilian.

There basically was no LE until about 1850. You had ATF collecting taxes earlier and sheriffs, but that's about it.

For those of you that are so excited about this case.

This will be hurdle #1 for the defense team.

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2010 Georgia Code
TITLE 17 - CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
CHAPTER 4 - ARREST OF PERSONS
ARTICLE 4 - ARREST BY PRIVATE PERSONS
§ 17-4-60 - Grounds for arrest
O.C.G.A. 17-4-60 (2010)
17-4-60. Grounds for arrest

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

This will be hurdle #2.

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(a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force; however, except as provided in Code Section 16-3-23 , a person is justified in using force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

(b) A person is not justified in using force under the circumstances specified in subsection (a) of this Code section if he:

(1) Initially provokes the use of force against himself with the intent to use such force as an excuse to inflict bodily harm upon the assailant;

(2) Is attempting to commit, committing, or fleeing after the commission or attempted commission of a felony; or

(3) Was the aggressor or was engaged in a combat by agreement unless he withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates to such other person his intent to do so and the other, notwithstanding, continues or threatens to continue the use of unlawful force.

(c) Any rule, regulation, or policy of any agency of the state or any ordinance, resolution, rule, regulation, or policy of any county, municipality, or other political subdivision of the state which is in conflict with this Code section shall be null, void, and of no force and effect.

(d) In a prosecution for murder or manslaughter, if a defendant raises as a defense a justification provided by subsection (a) of this Code section, the defendant, in order to establish the defendant's reasonable belief that the use of force or deadly force was immediately necessary, may be permitted to offer:

(1) Relevant evidence that the defendant had been the victim of acts of family violence or child abuse committed by the deceased, as such acts are described in Code Sections 19-13-1 and 19-15-1 , respectively; and

(2) Relevant expert testimony regarding the condition of the mind of the defendant at the time of the offense, including those relevant facts and circumstances relating to the family violence or child abuse that are the bases of the expert's opinion.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

What part is inaccurate? If they aren't civilians are they military? Royalty?
Nope. You can cite a cop for breaking the law too. The executive branch is civilian.

There basically was no LE until about 1850. You had ATF collecting taxes earlier and sheriffs, but that's about it.

They're typically referred to as peace officers in most statutory law. The executive and legislative branches grant them different levels of authority than Joe Schit the Rag Man. The judicial branch upholds those authorities.

This is why states that allow for citizen arrests (not all do) have separate sections of law defining the parameters.

I just learned that Montana allows for Citizens Arrest.

You watch yo ass......

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

I just learned that Montana allows for Citizens Arrest.

You watch yo ass......

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

I just learned that Montana allows for Citizens Arrest.

You watch yo ass......

😂😂😂

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by deflate

You're lazy. Just say that you're lazy.

OK, I’m lazy.

Thank you.

That’s the sort of thing you have to say when arguing with a woman, I would think that was obvious <“shrug”>.

Now I ain’t saying you’re a woman, in fact I’ve never said much about you at all, other than how you have to suck up to the Lawn Police 🙂

All I have to say about teaching is that in session, twelve hour days are the norm, my Ex has it the hours I spent on the job contributed to the end of our marriage. Individual student projects conceived, developed and completed under my supervision have been presented in competition all over the United States. One that went clear out of the ballpark was also presented in Morocco and Sweden (a District Admin got to go with the kid of course

) So in that regard, I’m among a small minority of teachers nationwide.

Not really along those lines I recently had a former student from almost thirty years back send me a friend request on Facebook. She’s done real good in life; still married to the same guy, raised four decent and well adjusted kids.

She was amazed that I remembered her. What I didn’t mention was I remember her because when she was 15 I was invited to her quinceanera. She got in big trouble from her dad because of hickeys.

She didn’t have any but her boyfriend was covered in ‘em

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

That’s the sort of thing you have to say when arguing with a woman,? Iwould think that was obvious <“shrug”>.

How would you know?

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

That’s the sort of thing you have to say when arguing with a woman,? Iwould think that was obvious <“shrug”>.

How would you know?

Dude, a beautiful Mexican/Filipina woman ten years younger’n me shared my floor space for twenty years 😎 Gave me the best years of her life, went under the knife and/or endured chemo three times trying to give us a child.

Now, I know it’s gonna be hard, but try to refrain from further catty comments. You actually made a useful contribution to this thread just a few posts back.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

That’s the sort of thing you have to say when arguing with a woman,? Iwould think that was obvious <“shrug”>.

How would you know?

Dude, a beautiful Mexican/Filipina woman ten years younger’n me shared my floor space for twenty years 😎 Gave me the best years of her life, went under the knife and/or endured chemo three times trying to give us a child.

Now, I know it’s gonna be hard, but try to refrain from further catty comments. You actually made a useful contribution to this thread just a few posts back.

Pause

Just weighing in to point out you feminized the Philippine part but not the Mexican.

Unpause

As Bristoe pointed out

In Brunswick Georgia, you have a one in 15 chance of being a victim of theft or violent crime

Think about that mindset someone must have living there. No one is going to get the benefit of the doubt walking around a construction site even if people think its normal to walk thru a house that is under construction in lesser crime areas

Even if you don't think someone roaming around new construction is a thief, it's still OK to stop and talk to them.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Even if you don't think someone roaming around new construction is a thief, it's still OK to stop and talk to them.

As a consensual encounter or a detainment?

If you think they are a thief, detainment until police get there is fine. There's nothing stopping somebody from running away.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

If you think they are a thief, detainment until police get there is fine.

Interesting.

If you thought some guy matched the description of a rapist, would you stop them and suggest they wait for police?

He wasn’t just a jogger. Lots of video going back to last October of him being in the house. At one point, before the cameras were installed, $2,500 worth of fishing tackle was stolen, obviously it was probably him.

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

If you think they are a thief, detainment until police get there is fine.

Interesting.

There's nothing interesting about this, except to an idiot. Freedom entails responsibility.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

You actually made a useful contribution to this thread just a few posts back.

And you've made none.

So STFU and go look for a water heater.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

If you thought some guy matched the description of a rapist, would you stop them and suggest they wait for police?

What level of proof would you say is required to detain someone?
What level of force is appropriate to keep them detained if they decide to leave?

Originally Posted by Tyrone

There's nothing interesting about this, except to an idiot. Freedom entails responsibility.

Tyrone,

I don't think you should be opining about a citizen's ability to arrest. LOL.

You've already posted some really dumb schit.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

If you think they are a thief, detainment until police get there is fine.

Interesting.

There's nothing interesting about this, except to an idiot. Freedom entails responsibility.

Which freedom are we talking about? The freedom for the catholic church to move around pedophile rapist priests to avoid prosecution?

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Pause

Just weighing in to point out you feminized the Philippine part but not the Mexican.

Unpause

Around here everybody’s “Mexican”, male or female, prob’ly on account of English is the prevalent language. OTOH Filipino ends with a gender-specific vowel. Feels odd describing a female with an “o”.

I married Royalty; technically on her dad’s side my Ex is Tejana. Most South Texas Mexicans came here 100 years back at the time of Villa and Zapata, which is still five generations American. Tejanos are those who were already here when Steven Austin showed up. My Ex FiL was career Air Force, he passed before his time from the effects of diabetes, a curse upon very many Hispanic families here.

My Ex MiL actually witnessed the Bataan Death March as a little girl, says they wanted to help those suffering men but the Japanese wouldn’t let them. She spent the war years hiding in the jungle while her dad fought with the guerillas. I’ve tried to get her to record an oral account up at the Museum of the Pacific War up in Fredericksburg but she won’t do it, doesn’t like to talk about it.

Originally Posted by shootAI

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

I just learned that Montana allows for Citizens Arrest.

You watch yo ass......

😂😂😂

Pretty accurate if you’ve met Big Jim 🙂

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

What part is inaccurate? If they aren't civilians are they military? Royalty?
Nope. You can cite a cop for breaking the law too. The executive branch is civilian.

There basically was no LE until about 1850. You had ATF collecting taxes earlier and sheriffs, but that's about it.

They're typically referred to as peace officers in most statutory law. The executive and legislative branches grant them different levels of authority than Joe Schit the Rag Man. The judicial branch upholds those authorities.

This is why states that allow for citizen arrests (not all do) have separate sections of law defining the parameters.

When did you retire from law enforcement?

Who said I retired from law enforcement?

Originally Posted by deflave

Who said I retired from law enforcement?

Right. Hard to retire from something you never were.

Originally Posted by deflave

Who said I retired from law enforcement?

Still active?

lol

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by deflave

Who said I retired from law enforcement?

Still active?

I wouldn't phrase it that way.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by deflave

Who said I retired from law enforcement?

Right. Hard to retire from something you never were.

SheRoy,

Are you going to retire from being a lesbian?

Or see things to the end?

LOL

I hope that they look for the pawn shop tickets in the perp's name. It should be interesting to see how much stuff he pawned.

Originally Posted by deflave

Who said I retired from law enforcement?

Your mom.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by deflave

Who said I retired from law enforcement?

Your mom.

Don't believe a word she says.

Sorry, that was just an obvious rejoinder 🙄

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Sorry, that was just an obvious rejoinder 🙄

I was thrilled to see you convey a thought in less than four paragraphs.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by Hastings

Your comparison of your incident with the "jogger" incident in question is basically comparing apples and space rocks. You quoted me and left out the very pertinent part of my question which described the people accosting said "jogger" as "civilian and non law enforcement". Sort of dishonest to quote a person out of context if the part you leave out changes the question in a major way. I don't mind out of context if the most important thrust of the question is not omitted.

Actually, cops are civilians. They are not part of the military and they technically have no more rights than you or I. You & I have just as much ability to enforce the law. You can even write a cop a ticket for speeding.

Or maybe I missed the part about LE being a separate branch in the Constitution.

If you go back to my original post you will see that I said nothing to imply that civilian law enforcement is anything other than civilian. I described the people who tried to detain the "jogger" as civilian AND non law enforcement. I meant they were neither military or law enforcement. Therefore having no authority to detain private persons except under extraordinary circumstances that seemingly did not exist in this case.

They do not require extraordinary circumstances. And we do not know if they met the criteria of the statute or not. Because none of us are involved in the case.

Please note that Tyrone Biggum cannot fugking read. Respond accordingly.

Quote

2010 Georgia Code
TITLE 17 - CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
CHAPTER 4 - ARREST OF PERSONS
ARTICLE 4 - ARREST BY PRIVATE PERSONS
§ 17-4-60 - Grounds for arrest
O.C.G.A. 17-4-60 (2010)
17-4-60. Grounds for arrest

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

By the way, in the context of this case, the military has no statutory authority to arrest or detain anyone.

If they do so, they are doing it is as a private citizen.

I don't understand where you guys come up with some of this schit.

Originally Posted by deflave

By the way, in the context of this case, the military has no statutory authority to arrest or detain anyone.If they do so, they are doing it is as a private citizen. I don't understand where you guys come up with some of this schit.

I believe you are right unless the Guard has been called out by the Governor of the state.

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by deflave

By the way, in the context of this case, the military has no statutory authority to arrest or detain anyone.If they do so, they are doing it is as a private citizen. I don't understand where you guys come up with some of this schit.

I believe you are right unless the Guard has been called out by the Governor of the state.

Even then would they be acting under the banner of deputized LE or as military?

Yes under martial law, the military gains arrest/detention authority.

LCPL Forgot My Middle Name does not.

Any action they take is as a private citizen.

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by mirage243

I don't know the facts in this case, but I'd lay 10-1 odds for a substantial amount of money, that the deceased was not out for a jog.

You could very well be right. But, from what you saw on the video did the black jogger have the right to resist being accosted and cut off by the gun wielding person? Now put yourself in his position and think about it. If an armed civilian non law enforcement ran you down with a truck and started ordering you to comply with whatever would you have the right to resist? One of the worst things you can do is let a hostile someone take control of you. It is why women are advised to never allow themselves to be kidnapped. They are advised to fight it out right there. If an armed person with a firearm accosts me when I am not armed I hope I will grab onto him and try to take him down.

I went back and read my post. I can see that it may have seemed that I thought of civilian law enforcement as not civilian. To clear up what I meant. They were civilians (not military or guard) and not civilian law enforcement. They were acting as private citizens.

Gentlemen,

Please stop.

Originally Posted by The Fugking Dictionary

ci·vil·ian
/səˈvilyən/
Learn to pronounce

noun

a person not in the armed services or the police force.

There is little evidence on this thread of any knowledge of the law, or application of common sense. Many would appear to think it is OK to detain someone at gunpoint because you think they may have done something. If that person detained refuses to comply can you use force to prevent his departure? There may be some established case law concerning shooting fleeing felons.

What is obvious is that when the ignorant decide to use firearms in anything but self defense they dive headfirst into a deep well of schidt. Attach whatever social/racial labels you wish but the fact remains that the incident served no purpose and did not have to occur.

mike r

Originally Posted by Hastings

If you go back to my original post you will see that I said nothing to imply that civilian law enforcement is anything other than civilian. I described the people who tried to detain the "jogger" as civilian AND non law enforcement. I meant they were neither military or law enforcement. Therefore having no authority to detain private persons except under extraordinary circumstances that seemingly did not exist in this case.

Under the theory of governmental power that underlies our system, no agent of government has any authority that wasn't temporarily loaned to them, during good behavior, by The People, wherein it naturally and originally resides.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

There is little evidence on this thread of any knowledge of the law, or application of common sense. Many would appear to think it is OK to detain someone at gunpoint because you think they may have done something. If that person detained refuses to comply can you use force to prevent his departure? There may be some established case law concerning shooting fleeing felons.
What is obvious is that when the ignorant decide to use firearms in anything but self defense they dive headfirst into a deep well of schidt. Attach whatever social/racial labels you wish but the fact remains that the incident served no purpose and did not have to occur.mike r

I hope you weren't talking about me because I agree with you completely.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

He wasn’t just a jogger. Lots of video going back to last October of him being in the house. At one point, before the cameras were installed, $2,500 worth of fishing tackle was stolen, obviously it was probably him.

Why was $2,500 worth of fishing tackle lying about in a house under construction?

This particular Goodwhite panic seems to be suffering Narrative Collapse sooner than most. I expect any grand jury to no bill this. Then it will be up to the Federales to see if they want to persecute more Badwhites for the entertainment of both Goodwhite- and Jogger-Americans.

Narrative Collapse
https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/07/narrative-collapse.html

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The specter of Narrative Collapse hovers over all these kinds of incidents now. The Narrative favored and promoted by black race activists and Main Stream Media Goodwhites is of heartless white authority figures doing violence against helpless, harmless blacks. The MSM do everything they can to reinforce that narrative. That’s why the most-publicized photograph of Trayvon Martin, who was 17 years old when George Zimmerman shot him in 2012, was one taken when he was twelve years old.

In all too many cases, that initial MSM Narrative collapses when all the details come in.

Originally Posted by AKwolverine

Originally Posted by JoeBob

He wasn’t just a jogger. Lots of video going back to last October of him being in the house. At one point, before the cameras were installed, $2,500 worth of fishing tackle was stolen, obviously it was probably him.

Why was $2,500 worth of fishing tackle lying about in a house under construction?

Why was your daughter wearing that short red dress in a bar? She practically threw herself on the pool table to be gangraped.

Originally Posted by AKwolverine

Originally Posted by JoeBob

He wasn’t just a jogger. Lots of video going back to last October of him being in the house. At one point, before the cameras were installed, $2,500 worth of fishing tackle was stolen, obviously it was probably him.

Why was $2,500 worth of fishing tackle lying about in a house under construction?

Because the old dude who was building it is storing his boat in there.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

.....when the ignorant decide to use firearms in anything but self defense they dive headfirst into a deep well of schidt.

mike r

Words to live by.

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by lvmiker

There is little evidence on this thread of any knowledge of the law, or application of common sense. Many would appear to think it is OK to detain someone at gunpoint because you think they may have done something. If that person detained refuses to comply can you use force to prevent his departure? There may be some established case law concerning shooting fleeing felons.
What is obvious is that when the ignorant decide to use firearms in anything but self defense they dive headfirst into a deep well of schidt. Attach whatever social/racial labels you wish but the fact remains that the incident served no purpose and did not have to occur.mike r

I hope you weren't talking about me because I agree with you completely.

Hastings, not directed at you or anyone in particular, just an observation based on the entire body of posts.

mike r

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

This is one of those times when I'm ashamed to be associated with this forum.

I'm afraid that someday, someone will see I posted on the same forum as a bunch of slack-jawed morons who immediately screamed "RACISTS" about the McMichael's.

The funniest thing is a bunch of gun owning homeowners saying overtly racist schit on the internets.

They best pray they never have to wrassle with a jogger themselves. LOL

Meh, the net is anonymous. They needn't fear their words would ever come back to haunt them.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by AKwolverine

Originally Posted by JoeBob

He wasn’t just a jogger. Lots of video going back to last October of him being in the house. At one point, before the cameras were installed, $2,500 worth of fishing tackle was stolen, obviously it was probably him.

Why was $2,500 worth of fishing tackle lying about in a house under construction?

Because the old dude who was building it is storing his boat in there.

Copy. Thanks.

Originally Posted by jfruser

Originally Posted by AKwolverine

Originally Posted by JoeBob

He wasn’t just a jogger. Lots of video going back to last October of him being in the house. At one point, before the cameras were installed, $2,500 worth of fishing tackle was stolen, obviously it was probably him.

Why was $2,500 worth of fishing tackle lying about in a house under construction?

Why was your daughter wearing that short red dress in a bar? She practically threw herself on the pool table to be gangraped.

It was a legitimate question. The answer makes perfect sense.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

If you thought some guy matched the description of a rapist, would you stop them and suggest they wait for police?

I'd take into account the fact that they may not be the rapist, may perceive my actions as aggressive and unlawful and resist with force. Then I'd contemplate what would happen if I used deadly force in that situation.

I would also discourage internet blowhards from comparing the non-violent crime of burglary to the violent crime of rape when trying to draw a parallel between actions. I'd fully expect said blowhards to disregard the words of wisdom and dig themselves deeper into the hole of dumbassery.

The plot thickens.

New video of Ahmad in the house.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/ne...construction/ZR6VFJ6HHFFJRAHL6HRTKGSDKA/

New Prosecutor appointed by Ga Atty Gen

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/ge...ll-channel-2/2WPGPETIJVEODI4VARV54U77AM/

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by deflave

Who said I retired from law enforcement?

Still active?

I wouldn't phrase it that way.

lolololololol

Originally Posted by ready_on_the_right

The plot thickens.

New video of Ahmad in the house.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/ne...construction/ZR6VFJ6HHFFJRAHL6HRTKGSDKA/

New Prosecutor appointed by Ga Atty Gen

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/ge...ll-channel-2/2WPGPETIJVEODI4VARV54U77AM/

Assume that to be true. Now plug in Georgia law and see how it measures up against the actions. I'll be interested in reading how you measure the actions against the letter of the law.

Originally Posted by ready_on_the_right

The plot thickens.

New video of Ahmad in the house.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/ne...construction/ZR6VFJ6HHFFJRAHL6HRTKGSDKA/

Looks like something a typical jogger might do. NOT!

This thread shows the 2 bubbas and a whole lot of fire members should not own guns.

I've stopped and looked at new construction many times. Were there "no trespassing" signs posted? If not, not then there is no misdemeanor trespass and certainly no felony burglary and thus no right to detain let alone arrest.

Originally Posted by TrueGrit

If Jr had the gun pointed at the Arbery wouldn't Arbery of been shot when he ran around the front of the truck? Arbery saw Jr at the front drivers side of the truck and went around to the passenger side giving Jr plenty of time to get ready for a kill shot. There's no question the negro would of still been alive to rape and pillage if he'd of just kept running. It's also true if father and son wouldn’t of confronted the Arbery he'd also still be alive. But the more you learn about Arbery the more it's apparent he needed killing.

Rape? I haven’t seen that accusation yet. Or is that just a “suspicion”?
Even if the deceased was guilty of stealing [bleep] (and a thief pisses me off just as much as the next guy) it doesn’t warrant killing in my book.

Originally Posted by callnum

This thread shows the 2 bubbas and a whole lot of fire members should not own guns.

Ya mean like this racist?

Originally Posted by TrueGrit

...There's no question the negro would of still been alive to rape and pillage if he'd of just kept running. ... But the more you learn about Arbery the more it's apparent he needed killing.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by ready_on_the_right

The plot thickens.

New video of Ahmad in the house.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/ne...construction/ZR6VFJ6HHFFJRAHL6HRTKGSDKA/

New Prosecutor appointed by Ga Atty Gen

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/ge...ll-channel-2/2WPGPETIJVEODI4VARV54U77AM/

Assume that to be true. Now plug in Georgia law and see how it measures up against the actions. I'll be interested in reading how you measure the actions against the letter of the law.

C'mon Paul,

Laws don't matter when you're justifying a lynching.

Originally Posted by AKwolverine

Originally Posted by TrueGrit

If Jr had the gun pointed at the Arbery wouldn't Arbery of been shot when he ran around the front of the truck? Arbery saw Jr at the front drivers side of the truck and went around to the passenger side giving Jr plenty of time to get ready for a kill shot. There's no question the negro would of still been alive to rape and pillage if he'd of just kept running. It's also true if father and son wouldn’t of confronted the Arbery he'd also still be alive. But the more you learn about Arbery the more it's apparent he needed killing.

Rape? I haven’t seen that accusation yet. Or is that just a “suspicion”?
Even if the deceased was guilty of stealing [bleep] (and a thief pisses me off just as much as the next guy) it doesn’t warrant killing in my book.

True Grit, have you always been a piece of schit or is it a recent phenomenon?

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by callnum

This thread shows the 2 bubbas and a whole lot of fire members should not own guns.

Ya mean like this racist?

Originally Posted by TrueGrit

...There's no question the negro would of still been alive to rape and pillage if he'd of just kept running. ... But the more you learn about Arbery the more it's apparent he needed killing.

It is because of people like you and callnum and your feral pets that we keep firearms handy.

You don’t have to like black people to think what these dudes did was stupid.

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a black member of this group. Some of you are goddam embarrassment to human kind. This truly pains me. I get a bit defensive when left leaning people make the snarky gun owner=racist comments, but then every day this place reminds me that they have a point. I'd love to see you cowards say the kind of crap that you say in front of black people. You wouldn't do it because you are cowards. The world will be a better place when your are rotting in hell.

Originally Posted by jfruser

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by callnum

This thread shows the 2 bubbas and a whole lot of fire members should not own guns.

Ya mean like this racist?

Originally Posted by TrueGrit

...There's no question the negro would of still been alive to rape and pillage if he'd of just kept running. ... But the more you learn about Arbery the more it's apparent he needed killing.

It is because of people like you and callnum and your feral pets that we keep firearms handy.

People like me who believe in the rule of law, due process, the right to a trial by jury, bans on excessive bail and fines, and cruel and unusual punishment, and that these rights don't only apply to white people? So we are the problem? Really?

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a black member of this group. Some of you are goddam embarrassment to human kind. This truly pains me. I get a bit defensive when left leaning people make the snarky gun owner=racist comments, but then every day this place reminds me that they have a point. I'd love to see you cowards say the kind of crap that you say in front of black people. You wouldn't do it because you are cowards. The world will be a better place when your are rotting in hell.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by jfruser

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by callnum

This thread shows the 2 bubbas and a whole lot of fire members should not own guns.

Ya mean like this racist?

Originally Posted by TrueGrit

...There's no question the negro would of still been alive to rape and pillage if he'd of just kept running. ... But the more you learn about Arbery the more it's apparent he needed killing.

It is because of people like you and callnum and your feral pets that we keep firearms handy.

People like me who believe in the rule of law, due process, the right to a trial by jury, bans on excessive bail and fines, and cruel and unusual punishment, and that these rights don't only apply to white people? So we are the problem? Really?

Where do you get off with that crazy talk?

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by ready_on_the_right

The plot thickens.

New video of Ahmad in the house.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/ne...construction/ZR6VFJ6HHFFJRAHL6HRTKGSDKA/

New Prosecutor appointed by Ga Atty Gen

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/ge...ll-channel-2/2WPGPETIJVEODI4VARV54U77AM/

Assume that to be true. Now plug in Georgia law and see how it measures up against the actions. I'll be interested in reading how you measure the actions against the letter of the law.

I don't believe I've stated any opinion either way on their innocence or guilt or justification or lack thereof.

I'm waiting for facts.

Mike

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a black member of this group. Some of you are goddam embarrassment to human kind. This truly pains me. I get a bit defensive when left leaning people make the snarky gun owner=racist comments, but then every day this place reminds me that they have a point. I'd love to see you cowards say the kind of crap that you say in front of black people. You wouldn't do it because you are cowards. The world will be a better place when your are rotting in hell.

You make it embarrassing to be white. If somebody read just your writing, they'd think we were all a bunch of cucks.

Originally Posted by deflave

They do not require extraordinary circumstances. And we do not know if they met the criteria of the statute or not. Because none of us are involved in the case.

Please note that Tyrone Biggum cannot fugking read. Respond accordingly.

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2010 Georgia Code
TITLE 17 - CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
CHAPTER 4 - ARREST OF PERSONS
ARTICLE 4 - ARREST BY PRIVATE PERSONS
§ 17-4-60 - Grounds for arrest
O.C.G.A. 17-4-60 (2010)
17-4-60. Grounds for arrest

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

English is my first language and it sure looks like the McMichaels met this legal hurdle. Next?

I don't even see any of that confusing Latin in there that would mess up the likes of a mall cop.

What was the felony? Walking around a house under construction?

Originally Posted by callnum

What was the felony? Walking around a house under construction?

Suspected theft.
You forget about that thing called "court". See, in this country, just being arrested doesn't determine guilt, we have a process that does that.

Should I space out the words so you can read it slower?

Originally Posted by callnum

What was the felony? Walking around a house under construction?

Prowling, in some states, is a Class C felony.

Prowling Law and Legal Definition. ... (a) A person commits a violation if he loiters or prowls in a place, at a time, or in a manner not usual for law-abiding individuals under circumstances that warrant alarm for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity.

Hopefully Tyrone doesn't own any guns.

Hopefully, no one depends upon you for their security. You'd probably present azz before you'd defend your wife.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by callnum

What was the felony? Walking around a house under construction?

Suspected theft.
You forget about that thing called "court". See, in this country, just being arrested doesn't determine guilt, we have a process that does that.

Should I space out the words so you can read it slower?

Suspected?

Did this occur in the presence of the two bubbas, and if so, what was stolen in their presence?

AS, until convicted in court, anyone who is cited for a legal violation is only suspected of breaking the law.

I know, this kills your dreams of legitimizing internet outrage lynchings, but that's our system. This isn't Venezuela.

If the black guy was just 1 IQ point smarter, he would have made it to court.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by callnum

What was the felony? Walking around a house under construction?

Prowling, in some states, is a Class C felony.

Prowling Law and Legal Definition. ... (a) A person commits a violation if he loiters or prowls in a place, at a time, or in a manner not usual for law-abiding individuals under circumstances that warrant alarm for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity.

Not in Georgia.

So sorry, try again:

2010 Georgia Code
TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES
CHAPTER 11 - OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND SAFETY
ARTICLE 2 - OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER
§ 16-11-36 - Loitering or prowling
O.C.G.A. 16-11-36 (2010)
16-11-36. Loitering or prowling

(a) A person commits the offense of loitering or prowling when he is in a place at a time or in a manner not usual for law-abiding individuals under circumstances that warrant a justifiable and reasonable alarm or immediate concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity.

(b) Among the circumstances which may be considered in determining whether alarm is warranted is the fact that the person takes flight upon the appearance of a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself, or manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or any object. Unless flight by the person or other circumstances make it impracticable, a law enforcement officer shall, prior to any arrest for an offense under this Code section, afford the person an opportunity to dispel any alarm or immediate concern which would otherwise be warranted by requesting the person to identify himself and explain his presence and conduct. No person shall be convicted of an offense under this Code section if the law enforcement officer failed to comply with the foregoing procedure or if it appears at trial that the explanation given by the person was true and would have dispelled the alarm or immediate concern.

(c) A person committing the offense of loitering or prowling shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.

(d) This Code section shall not be deemed or construed to affect or limit the powers of counties or municipal corporations to adopt ordinances or resolutions prohibiting loitering or prowling within their respective limits.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

AS, until convicted in court, anyone who is cited for a legal violation is only suspected of breaking the law.

I know, this kills your dreams of legitimizing internet outrage lynchings, but that's our system. This isn't Venezuela.

If the black guy was just 1 IQ point smarter, he would have made it to court.

Nice way to avoid the question.

Did the two bubba's witness the alleged theft, yes or no? If so, what was stolen? Did this rise to the level of a felony in that state of Georgia?

You are all missing it.

I did NOT hear anyone say ‘you are under arrest’ in the video. There was no illegal citizen arrest.

No need to assess whether arrest was legal or not.

The question is.....did the jogger try to take the firearm from said hillbilly?

Video shows a hard left turn to the front of the truck.

Only two survivors know.

Does the video show a brandishing of firearms?

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

You are all missing it.

I did NOT hear anyone say ‘you are under arrest’ in the video. There was no illegal citizen arrest.

The question is.....did the jogger try to take the firearm from said hillbilly?

Video shows a hard left turn to the front of the truck.

Only two survivors know.

Bubba's stated to investigators they were attempting a citizens arrest.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Bubba's stated to investigators they were attempting a citizens arrest.

I'm just quoting that to capture the racial slur for posterity.

Makes no difference......old hillbilly said that while reviewing a previous video.

Not admissible, unless you are from Colorado and stoned.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

You are all missing it.

I did NOT hear anyone say ‘you are under arrest’ in the video. There was no illegal citizen arrest.

The question is.....did the jogger try to take the firearm from said hillbilly?

Video shows a hard left turn to the front of the truck.

Only two survivors know.

Bubba's stated to investigators they were attempting a citizens arrest.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

You are all missing it.

I did NOT hear anyone say ‘you are under arrest’ in the video. There was no illegal citizen arrest.

No need to assess whether arrest was legal or not.

The question is.....did the jogger try to take the firearm from said hillbilly?

Video shows a hard left turn to the front of the truck.

Only two survivors know.

Does the video show a brandishing of firearms?

What do you suppose the truck was doing blocking the street with bubba in the back?

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Makes no difference......old hillbilly said that while reviewing a previous video.

Not admissible, unless you are from Colorado and stoned.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

You are all missing it.

I did NOT hear anyone say ‘you are under arrest’ in the video. There was no illegal citizen arrest.

The question is.....did the jogger try to take the firearm from said hillbilly?

Video shows a hard left turn to the front of the truck.

Only two survivors know.

Bubba's stated to investigators they were attempting a citizens arrest.

How exactly do those Miranda right go?

No one detained him, genius.

Was he grabbed at the front of the truck in the video? Please let us all know.

Did anyone lay a hand on him, before the scuffle? Please prove that.

Quit filling in the blanks, you look like a stoned dude from Colorado.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Makes no difference......old hillbilly said that while reviewing a previous video.

Not admissible, unless you are from Colorado and stoned.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

You are all missing it.

I did NOT hear anyone say ‘you are under arrest’ in the video. There was no illegal citizen arrest.

The question is.....did the jogger try to take the firearm from said hillbilly?

Video shows a hard left turn to the front of the truck.

Only two survivors know.

Bubba's stated to investigators they were attempting a citizens arrest.

How exactly do those Miranda right go?

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

How exactly do those Miranda right go?

"Stop! This is a citizen's arrest!! You have the right to remai.." CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK

Even genius duck didn’t hear that on the video.

Originally Posted by duck911

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

How exactly do those Miranda right go?

"Stop! This is a citizen's arrest!! You have the right to remai.." CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK

Sideways? You are also a genius.

Nice edit......good call.

Originally Posted by callnum

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

You are all missing it.

I did NOT hear anyone say ‘you are under arrest’ in the video. There was no illegal citizen arrest.

No need to assess whether arrest was legal or not.

The question is.....did the jogger try to take the firearm from said hillbilly?

Video shows a hard left turn to the front of the truck.

Only two survivors know.

Does the video show a brandishing of firearms?

What do you suppose the truck was doing blocking the street with bubba in the back?

I don't know much about it...but imo the guy was a thief ,a couple of bubbas tried to detain him. He grabbed the shotgun barrel trying to yank it away and gun went off. That's what it looked like to me, I could be completely wrong.

I don't really give a schit about any of it.

[quote=MIKEWERNER]Makes no difference......old hillbilly said that while reviewing a previous video.

Not admissible, unless you are from Colorado and stoned.

[quote=antelope_sniper][quote=MIKEWERNER]

Anything you can and will be used against you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

You are all missing it.

I did NOT hear anyone say ‘you are under arrest’ in the video. There was no illegal citizen arrest.

The question is.....did the jogger try to take the firearm from said hillbilly?

Video shows a hard left turn to the front of the truck.

Only two survivors know.

Bubba's stated to investigators they were attempting a citizens arrest.

Provide me a link to Bubba’s statement.

Old hillbilly made a comment about a citizens arrest, while watching a surveillance video where he thought he recognized the thief.

No mention of citizen arrest or any arrest in the video that supposedly showed everything.

Originally Posted by callnum

[quote=MIKEWERNER]Makes no difference......old hillbilly said that while reviewing a previous video.

Not admissible, unless you are from Colorado and stoned.

[quote=antelope_sniper][quote=MIKEWERNER]

Anything you can and will be used against you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

You are all missing it.

I did NOT hear anyone say ‘you are under arrest’ in the video. There was no illegal citizen arrest.

The question is.....did the jogger try to take the firearm from said hillbilly?

Video shows a hard left turn to the front of the truck.

Only two survivors know.

Bubba's stated to investigators they were attempting a citizens arrest.

Provide me a link to Bubba’s statement.

Here's the link to the DA's letter discussing Citizen's Arrest:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...9cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a black member of this group. Some of you are goddam embarrassment to human kind. This truly pains me. I get a bit defensive when left leaning people make the snarky gun owner=racist comments, but then every day this place reminds me that they have a point. I'd love to see you cowards say the kind of crap that you say in front of black people. You wouldn't do it because you are cowards. The world will be a better place when your are rotting in hell.

Very well said. We have one black member here that I am aware of. A really good guy. Retired military commissioned officer. He keeps a low profile because this place is so hostile to blacks. This forum is dominated by racists whose race-based identity politics are identical to those of the hard left. Let me repeat that: guys like Bristoe, Hawkeye (and many others here) share the exact same premise as black identitarians of the hard, hard left. They are every bit as racist as the black racists they (very hypocritically) despise. It is a very poor reflection on Rick Bin that he indulges the racism so prevalent here in the name of the unimitigated pursuit of the almighty dollar. He should be ashamed of himself.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

You are all missing it.

I did NOT hear anyone say ‘you are under arrest’ in the video. There was no illegal citizen arrest.

The question is.....did the jogger try to take the firearm from said hillbilly?

Video shows a hard left turn to the front of the truck.

Only two survivors know.

Bubba's stated to investigators they were attempting a citizens arrest.

Provide me a link to Bubba’s statement.

Here's the link to the DA's letter discussing Citizen's Arrest:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...9cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

Like I said, show me a statement.

From the re-cused DA's letter - enlightening:

"Arbery's mental health records & prior convictions help explain his apparent
aggressive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack an armed man."

Add to the play-by-play of the actual event detailed in the letter, GA law statutes, and it's understandable why it's gone through 3 prosecutors.

Truth hurts.

Let me know when you see a white, mature baby sitter torture and burn a little white boy to death a bit at a time.

Let me know when you see white guys sexually assault 15500 black women a year even though there are about 10x more white men than black in this country.

Let me know when home video shows a huge black thug beating, stripping and raping a white woman in front of her 18 mo old child.

Let me know when 2 white guys break in the apt of 3 white girls studying with 2 of their boyfriends and with guns, putting all except a boy and girl in a closet one guards while the other forces a white boy to eat his girlfriend out to get her wet for the blacks to orally, anally and vaginally rape for hours and then proceed to do the same with both the other girls. Then they took them outside in the snow naked, put them in a car trunk, drove them to a field and shot each in the head dead except for one girl who's metal barrette deflected the bullet and just split her skull.

Let me know when your best bud and second cousins son takes his high school sweetheart parking behind the stadium after a game he played and has a few blacks drag them out of his car and beat hell out of him and hold him down and making him watch while they took turns raping his 16 year old girlfriend for hours in a midsized east Texas town and then the law and DA do all they can to get them off early. Shes a mental case now, mid 30s and never married and childless because of the trauma she survived. She will never have a child or hold or love a man because of animals that look like men.

Let me know when 5 whites rape for days and torture and fill with bleach or draino to hide their DNA.

Let me know Tarqueen.

Originally Posted by CharlieFoxtrot

From the re-cused DA's letter - enlightening:

"Arbery's mental health records & prior convictions help explain his apparent
aggressive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack an armed man."

Add to the play-by-play of the actual event detailed in the letter, GA law statutes, and it's understandable why it's gone through 3 prosecutors.

That DA considered it relevant to the lethal force, self-defense, claim, which it is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Truth hurts.

Let me know when you see a white, mature baby sitter torture and burn a little white boy to death a bit at a time.

Let me know when you see white guys sexually assault 15500 black women a year even though there are about 10x more white men than black in this country.

Let me know when home video shows a huge black thug beating, stripping and raping a white woman in front of her 18 mo old child.

Let me know when 2 white guys break in the apt of 3 white girls studying with 2 of their boyfriends and with guns, putting all except a boy and girl in a closet one guards while the other forces a white boy to eat his girlfriend out to get her wet for the blacks to orally, anally and vaginally rape for hours and then proceed to do the same with both the other girls. Then they took them outside in the snow naked, put them in a car trunk, drove them to a field and shot each in the head dead except for one girl who's metal barrette deflected the bullet and just split her skull.

Let me know when your best bud and second cousins son takes his high school sweetheart parking behind the stadium after a game he played and has a few blacks drag them out of his car and beat hell out of him and hold him down and making him watch while they took turns raping his 16 year old girlfriend for hours in a midsized east Texas town and then the law and DA do all they can to get them off early. Shes a mental case now, mid 30s and never married and childless because of the trauma she survived. She will never have a child or hold or love a man because of animals that look like men.

Let me know when 5 whites rape for days and torture and fill with bleach or draino to hide their DNA.

Let me know Tarqueen.

Doc,

How is this relevant to the case at hand?

Do you consider this justification to lynch all black men running down the street?

Originally Posted by ready_on_the_right

The plot thickens.

New video of Ahmad in the house.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/ne...construction/ZR6VFJ6HHFFJRAHL6HRTKGSDKA/

This video is accurate in what it shows, but it's misleading.

The burglar was in the house for much longer than 7 seconds.

No, dumbass. Where did you get that?

Originally Posted by jaguartx

No, dumbass. Where did you get that?

Then explain how it's relevant to the case at hand.

I know one thing, I wouldnt accost a man pointing a shotgun at me if I knew the cops would spring me from an unlawful arrest.

The cops were indicted on the Chicago conspiracy case in which a black man was innocent. McDonald case, iirc. And the cop shooting the black teen in a car leaving a party. Good.

Only way I see attacking a guy holding a gun on me is if I'm guilty and want to take my only chance of getting away from the cops who would be coming.

That was old man hillbilly bringing up a citizens arrest while watching a surveillance video where he thought he recognized the thief.

I do find it amazing that the previous criminal record of the jogger can not be brought into this......but a previous statement of a ‘bystander’ in the bed of a pick-up truck is damning evidence.

It is the law and actual facts, not emotion.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

You are all missing it.

I did NOT hear anyone say ‘you are under arrest’ in the video. There was no illegal citizen arrest.

The question is.....did the jogger try to take the firearm from said hillbilly?

Video shows a hard left turn to the front of the truck.

Only two survivors know.

Bubba's stated to investigators they were attempting a citizens arrest.

Provide me a link to Bubba’s statement.

Here's the link to the DA's letter discussing Citizen's Arrest:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...9cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by jaguartx

No, dumbass. Where did you get that?

Then explain how it's relevant to the case at hand.

Its relevant to Paul Bernard's and Tarqueens posts about racists. My money says neither has called a black mans hate crime as being due to racism.

Sorry you couldnt make the connection between my post and the posts I responded to.

Too bad you didnt ask them how their posts were related to the story at hand.

Well, that 'unarmed black man' was fixin to arm himself with that shotgun. I ain't blind, yet.

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Very well said. We have one black member here that I am aware of. A really good guy. Retired military commissioned officer. He keeps a low profile because this place is so hostile to blacks. This forum is dominated by racists whose race-based identity politics are identical to those of the hard left. Let me repeat that: guys like Bristoe, Hawkeye (and many others here) share the exact same premise as black identitarians of the hard, hard left. They are every bit as racist as the black racists they (very hypocritically) despise. It is a very poor reflection on Rick Bin that he indulges the racism so prevalent here in the name of the unimitigated pursuit of the almighty dollar. He should be ashamed of himself.

A white separatist is lecturing the forum on racism. You can't make this stuff up.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

That was old man hillbilly bringing up a citizens arrest while watching a surveillance video where he thought he recognized the thief.

I do find it amazing that the previous criminal record of the jogger can not be brought into this......but a previous statement of a ‘bystander’ in the bed of a pick-up truck is damning evidence.

It is the law and actual facts, not emotion.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

You are all missing it.

I did NOT hear anyone say ‘you are under arrest’ in the video. There was no illegal citizen arrest.

The question is.....did the jogger try to take the firearm from said hillbilly?

Video shows a hard left turn to the front of the truck.

Only two survivors know.

Bubba's stated to investigators they were attempting a citizens arrest.

Provide me a link to Bubba’s statement.

Here's the link to the DA's letter discussing Citizen's Arrest:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...9cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

Well, its plain to see you're just another racist, Mike.

The truth is racist. Snow is racist. You're white, therefore you're a born racist. The other suckers are just trying to prove they arent.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Very well said. We have one black member here that I am aware of. A really good guy. Retired military commissioned officer. He keeps a low profile because this place is so hostile to blacks. This forum is dominated by racists whose race-based identity politics are identical to those of the hard left. Let me repeat that: guys like Bristoe, Hawkeye (and many others here) share the exact same premise as black identitarians of the hard, hard left. They are every bit as racist as the black racists they (very hypocritically) despise. It is a very poor reflection on Rick Bin that he indulges the racism so prevalent here in the name of the unimitigated pursuit of the almighty dollar. He should be ashamed of himself.

A white separatist is lecturing the forum on racism. You can't make this stuff up.

Ding.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Very well said. We have one black member here that I am aware of. A really good guy. Retired military commissioned officer. He keeps a low profile because this place is so hostile to blacks. This forum is dominated by racists whose race-based identity politics are identical to those of the hard left. Let me repeat that: guys like Bristoe, Hawkeye (and many others here) share the exact same premise as black identitarians of the hard, hard left. They are every bit as racist as the black racists they (very hypocritically) despise. It is a very poor reflection on Rick Bin that he indulges the racism so prevalent here in the name of the unimitigated pursuit of the almighty dollar. He should be ashamed of himself.

A white separatist is lecturing the forum on racism. You can't make this stuff up.

‘Fraid he’s right Bristoe, a lot of the time on here you’ve been a Useful Idiot for the Left.

Goes triple for you Ghost.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Very well said. We have one black member here that I am aware of. A really good guy. Retired military commissioned officer. He keeps a low profile because this place is so hostile to blacks. This forum is dominated by racists whose race-based identity politics are identical to those of the hard left. Let me repeat that: guys like Bristoe, Hawkeye (and many others here) share the exact same premise as black identitarians of the hard, hard left. They are every bit as racist as the black racists they (very hypocritically) despise. It is a very poor reflection on Rick Bin that he indulges the racism so prevalent here in the name of the unimitigated pursuit of the almighty dollar. He should be ashamed of himself.

A white separatist is lecturing the forum on racism. You can't make this stuff up.

‘Fraid he’s right Bristoe, a lot of the time on here you’ve been a Useful Idiot for the Left.

You wouldn't recognize one.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Goes triple for you Ghost.

Sorry sir, but I just don't give a schit what you think.

Those who are afraid to confront reality are useful idiots for the left.

Such as the reality that if all the black males between 16 and 25 were shipped off to an island, America's murder rate would drop by 50%.

Things would remain the same in Salmon, Idaho however.

In other words, about 3% of America's population commits 50% of America's murders.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

I know one thing, I wouldnt accost a man pointing a shotgun at me if I knew the cops would spring me from an unlawful arrest.

The cops were indicted on the Chicago conspiracy case in which a black man was innocent. McDonald case, iirc. And the cop shooting the black teen in a car leaving a party. Good.

Only way I see attacking a guy holding a gun on me is if I'm guilty and want to take my only chance of getting away from the cops who would be coming.

So two black hood rats pointing their guns at you and you plan to take your chances with the cops?

For some reason doc, I don't believe you.

I'm supposed to feel ashamed for knowing that?

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a black member of this group. Some of you are goddam embarrassment to human kind. This truly pains me. I get a bit defensive when left leaning people make the snarky gun owner=racist comments, but then every day this place reminds me that they have a point. I'd love to see you cowards say the kind of crap that you say in front of black people. You wouldn't do it because you are cowards. The world will be a better place when your are rotting in hell.

Very well said. We have one black member here that I am aware of. A really good guy. Retired military commissioned officer. He keeps a low profile because this place is so hostile to blacks. This forum is dominated by racists whose race-based identity politics are identical to those of the hard left. Let me repeat that: guys like Bristoe, Hawkeye (and many others here) share the exact same premise as black identitarians of the hard, hard left. They are every bit as racist as the black racists they (very hypocritically) despise. It is a very poor reflection on Rick Bin that he indulges the racism so prevalent here in the name of the unimitigated pursuit of the almighty dollar. He should be ashamed of himself.

About time somebody said this. You also might wonder why there are almost no females on here, what with the continued sexual innuendos by the same group of low lifes. Or why they let card carrying Nazis like The Real Hawkeye post at all. Or why, more and more, so many posts are complete drivel. All Rick Bin seems to care about is number of clicks. The advertisders are dumb enough to pay him so many shekels per click so who cares what gets clicked?

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Very well said. We have one black member here that I am aware of. A really good guy. Retired military commissioned officer. He keeps a low profile because this place is so hostile to blacks. This forum is dominated by racists whose race-based identity politics are identical to those of the hard left. Let me repeat that: guys like Bristoe, Hawkeye (and many others here) share the exact same premise as black identitarians of the hard, hard left. They are every bit as racist as the black racists they (very hypocritically) despise. It is a very poor reflection on Rick Bin that he indulges the racism so prevalent here in the name of the unimitigated pursuit of the almighty dollar. He should be ashamed of himself.

A white separatist is lecturing the forum on racism. You can't make this stuff up.

Ding.

Loud is the cry of the PC crew to call on PC to quiet the truth.

You know why none are concerned or appalled at the stories I presented? They are acclimated and accepting of such crimes. Big deal. It's the price we must pay to be "civilized".

You must accept the uncivilized in order to civil. Civility means bowing to the PC BS applied.

They bitch about folks being PC and flee to it to preserve their lies.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

You also might wonder why there are almost no females on here,

~~~Dis issa main's,...wurl~~~

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Those who are afraid to confront reality are useful idiots for the left.

Such as the reality that if all the black males between 16 and 25 were shipped off to an island, America's murder rate would drop by 50%.

Things would remain the same in Salmon, Idaho however.

Bristoe,

That's a different subject.

That question at hand is what happened in this specific incident, and were the actions of the two bubba's s justified.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a black member of this group. Some of you are goddam embarrassment to human kind. This truly pains me. I get a bit defensive when left leaning people make the snarky gun owner=racist comments, but then every day this place reminds me that they have a point. I'd love to see you cowards say the kind of crap that you say in front of black people. You wouldn't do it because you are cowards. The world will be a better place when your are rotting in hell.

Very well said. We have one black member here that I am aware of. A really good guy. Retired military commissioned officer. He keeps a low profile because this place is so hostile to blacks. This forum is dominated by racists whose race-based identity politics are identical to those of the hard left. Let me repeat that: guys like Bristoe, Hawkeye (and many others here) share the exact same premise as black identitarians of the hard, hard left. They are every bit as racist as the black racists they (very hypocritically) despise. It is a very poor reflection on Rick Bin that he indulges the racism so prevalent here in the name of the unimitigated pursuit of the almighty dollar. He should be ashamed of himself.

About time somebody said this. You also might wonder why there are almost no females on here, what with the continued sexual innuendos by the same group of low lifes. Or why they let card carrying Nazis like The Real Hawkeye post at all. Or why, more and more, so many posts are complete drivel. All Rick Bin seems to care about is number of clicks. The advertisders are dumb enough to pay him so many shekels per click so who cares what gets clicked?

Hide the truths you dont care for. To hell with the 1A.

Did you swallow the, "We are stronger because of our diversity" and discard the "United we stand" kool-aid too?

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Those who are afraid to confront reality are useful idiots for the left.

Such as the reality that if all the black males between 16 and 25 were shipped off to an island, America's murder rate would drop by 50%.

Things would remain the same in Salmon, Idaho however.

Bristoe,

That's a different subject.

That question at hand is what happened in this specific incident, and were the actions of the two bubba's s justified.

The subject was personalized by some of the PC members of the forum. So some facts needed to be stated to offset the PC propaganda and attempted shaming by some people on here who have had their brains turned to PC schitt.

AS cant understand that if the dead man had laid down he would be home having a cold one today.

He was right, the dad and son wrong, but it doesnt matter, he made a dumb move and now hes dead and gone.

Happens to innocent kids at intersections every day, and they had no chance to lay down and wait for LEO to straighten things out.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a black member of this group. Some of you are goddam embarrassment to human kind. This truly pains me. I get a bit defensive when left leaning people make the snarky gun owner=racist comments, but then every day this place reminds me that they have a point. I'd love to see you cowards say the kind of crap that you say in front of black people. You wouldn't do it because you are cowards. The world will be a better place when your are rotting in hell.

Very well said. We have one black member here that I am aware of. A really good guy. Retired military commissioned officer. He keeps a low profile because this place is so hostile to blacks. This forum is dominated by racists whose race-based identity politics are identical to those of the hard left. Let me repeat that: guys like Bristoe, Hawkeye (and many others here) share the exact same premise as black identitarians of the hard, hard left. They are every bit as racist as the black racists they (very hypocritically) despise. It is a very poor reflection on Rick Bin that he indulges the racism so prevalent here in the name of the unimitigated pursuit of the almighty dollar. He should be ashamed of himself.

About time somebody said this. You also might wonder why there are almost no females on here, what with the continued sexual innuendos by the same group of low lifes. Or why they let card carrying Nazis like The Real Hawkeye post at all. Or why, more and more, so many posts are complete drivel. All Rick Bin seems to care about is number of clicks. The advertisders are dumb enough to pay him so many shekels per click so who cares what gets clicked?

Hide the truths you dont care for. To hell with the 1A.

Did you swallow the, "We are stronger because of our diversity" and discard the "United we stand" kool-aid too?

No and that's not the issue. I suspect you're smart enough to know that. Like most of us, I'm opposed to racial perferences etc. I believe in treating all people like individuals, not as members of a group.

If I followed your logic and Bristoe's, I could point out that my namesake, the best man at my parents' wedding, was killed by Nazis over Belgium. Does that give me the right to go to TRH's neighborhood and kill him? Demand he be deported? Don't make ridiculous points.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Those who are afraid to confront reality are useful idiots for the left.

Such as the reality that if all the black males between 16 and 25 were shipped off to an island, America's murder rate would drop by 50%.

Things would remain the same in Salmon, Idaho however.

Bristoe,

That's a different subject.

That question at hand is what happened in this specific incident, and were the actions of the two bubba's s justified.

The subject was personalized by some of the PC members of the forum. So some facts needed to be stated to offset the PC propaganda and attempted shaming by some people on here who have had their brains turned to PC schitt.

AS, Tarqueen and Paul are pissed because they have no rebuttal to the preponderance of black on white crime here, in Great Britain, South Africa or Zimbabwe.

White farm wives who are raped, tortured, breasts cut of, vaginas cut out and run through from stem to stern with white hot steel poles are just normal parts of life for those whites suffering the Genocides in Africa.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

AS cant understand that if the dead man had laid down he would be home having a cold one today.

He was right, the dad and son wrong, but it doesnt matter, he made a dumb move and now hes dead and gone.

Happens to innocent kids at intersections every day, and they had no chance to lay down and wait for LEO to straighten things out.

Come on Doc.

Trade the races. Would you have just laid down for them?

So why is okay to impute motives and intentions to the rednecks based on their race, location, and alleged attitudes towards blacks while not doing the same for the black victim? If it’s okay to say that the reason that these men set upon this innocent jogger is because they were racists white men, then why is it taboo to say that the black man was probably a thief who if he didn’t deserve whatever he got, at least brought it upon himself by his criminal actions?

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a black member of this group. Some of you are goddam embarrassment to human kind. This truly pains me. I get a bit defensive when left leaning people make the snarky gun owner=racist comments, but then every day this place reminds me that they have a point. I'd love to see you cowards say the kind of crap that you say in front of black people. You wouldn't do it because you are cowards. The world will be a better place when your are rotting in hell.

Very well said. We have one black member here that I am aware of. A really good guy. Retired military commissioned officer. He keeps a low profile because this place is so hostile to blacks. This forum is dominated by racists whose race-based identity politics are identical to those of the hard left. Let me repeat that: guys like Bristoe, Hawkeye (and many others here) share the exact same premise as black identitarians of the hard, hard left. They are every bit as racist as the black racists they (very hypocritically) despise. It is a very poor reflection on Rick Bin that he indulges the racism so prevalent here in the name of the unimitigated pursuit of the almighty dollar. He should be ashamed of himself.

About time somebody said this. You also might wonder why there are almost no females on here, what with the continued sexual innuendos by the same group of low lifes. Or why they let card carrying Nazis like The Real Hawkeye post at all. Or why, more and more, so many posts are complete drivel. All Rick Bin seems to care about is number of clicks. The advertisders are dumb enough to pay him so many shekels per click so who cares what gets clicked?

Hide the truths you dont care for. To hell with the 1A.

Did you swallow the, "We are stronger because of our diversity" and discard the "United we stand" kool-aid too?

No and that's not the issue. I suspect you're smart enough to know that. Like most of us, I'm opposed to racial perferences etc. I believe in treating all people like individuals, not as members of a group.

If I followed your logic and Bristoe's, I could point out that my namesake, the best man at my parents' wedding, was killed by Nazis over Belgium. Does that give me the right to go to TRH's neighborhood and kill him? Demand he be deported? Don't make ridiculous points.

Now you're being more ridiculous. Dont act like you forgot about a little war involving that. I know you're smarter than that too.

I judge people based on character.
Don't give a damn what color or religion they are.
We don't get to pick our parents.

But in high school I started noticing how some folks kept making poor decisions and blamed others for their problems.

So..............college, then major industry............I saw the same crap, no matter what.

Its pretty obvious how one should get an education/learn a trade, get a job, then get married...........and then have kids.

Amazingly last yr or so, on MSN the liberal azzholes pushed this as the "template for success".
The stuff conservatives have said, for decades, that the left said wasn't needed.

We have a whole subculture of fuggups. And most of them are of another subgroup, higher in melanin.

When the minority is causing the majority of the crime................profiling is right, and it works.

IMHO they need to clean up their own act before pointing fingers at others.
Yet every thug that gets blasted is pushed for Sainthood.

Just furthers the insanity within their culture...........no damn responsibility.

There are exceptions and people can change.

But too many are content to subscribe to the entitlement mindset.
I gave up trying to help decades ago.
And really don't give a chit anymore.

Reap what they sow.

IMNSHO had jogger guy stayed on the road he might be alive.

He went snoopin, didn't steal anything, but did something to give the impression he had/or might (the latter still a maybe).

That alerted somebody who contacted some gung ho folks.

That is why you don't do chit to draw unwanted attention.
One should act in a manner that can't be mistaken.

Shoulda kept his ass on the road/sidewalk.............if he was actually out for exercise.

Not saying his stroll off the path should have been a death sentence.
But it sure did contribute to getting one.

If he lived in the area and heard of burglaries, then that was double stupid to do something that could cause suspicion.

Whadya call it? Err on the side of caution ????

Hell, watch some live PD and other...............the crap blacks pull, they dare folks to blast em.
Spin that ol Police lottery wheel.

https://cbs4indy.com/news/man-kille...ooting-livestreamed-chase-final-moments/

What a dumbass..........and not uncommon in behavior/mentality.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

You also might wonder why there are almost no females on here,

~~~Dis issa main's,...wurl~~~

Well there is Girlhunter. On second thought, that turned out to be that fool from Florida pretending to be a woman.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Folks are tired of other’s stealing their hard-earned stuff.

No robbery took place. yet folks here persist with
the burglary felon allegation. MR. English the owner
of the premises clearly stated nothing was taken,
and that he has never been a victim of burglary.

as such a road block citizens arrest was illegal,
and the excuse that Mic.Jnr was only defending
Himself in the execution of his plan to unlawfully
detain a Citizen and deprive him of his liberty is
ludicrous.

"IMHO they need to clean up their own act before pointing fingers at others.
Yet every thug that gets blasted is pushed for Sainthood." Racist.

He was saving up money from stuff no one wanted in order to go to brain surgeon school. Sorry whites wouldnt pay his way.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

So why is okay to impute motives and intentions to the rednecks based on their race, location, and alleged attitudes towards blacks while not doing the same for the black victim? If it’s okay to say that the reason that these men set upon this innocent jogger is because they were racists white men, then why is it taboo to say that the black man was probably a thief who if he didn’t deserve whatever he got, at least brought it upon himself by his criminal actions?

Job Bob, you don't just get to declare someone a thief based upon their race. If you have convincing evidence, the kind sufficient to support probably cause that he committed a felony, present it.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

"IMHO they need to clean up their own act before pointing fingers at others.
Yet every thug that gets blasted is pushed for Sainthood." Racist.

He was saving up money from stuff no one wanted in order to go to brain surgeon school. Sorry whites wouldn't pay his way.

Doc,

Every group ultimately fractionates down to the individual. This is not a question of black vs. white, it's a question of right vs. wrong.

Like the "why planes crash" TV show....

tragedy is usually the result of a several errors, not just one big one.

The black man got shot because he attacked a man who had a gun.

It's really not complicated.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Those who are afraid to confront reality are useful idiots for the left.

Such as the reality that if all the black males between 16 and 25 were shipped off to an island, America's murder rate would drop by 50%.

Things would remain the same in Salmon, Idaho however.

Bristoe,

That's a different subject.

That question at hand is what happened in this specific incident, and were the actions of the two bubba's s justified.

The subject was personalized by some of the PC members of the forum. So some facts needed to be stated to offset the PC propaganda and attempted shaming by some people on here who have had their brains turned to PC schitt.

AS, Tarqueen and Paul are pissed because they have no rebuttal to the preponderance of black on white crime here, in Great Britain, South Africa or Zimbabwe.

White farm wives who are raped, tortured, breasts cut of, vaginas cut out and run through from stem to stern with white hot steel poles are just normal parts of life for those whites suffering the Genocides in Africa.

Gawd Jaq, in addition to being a racist and therefore a fraud as a Christian, you truly are a dumb puck. Nothing I said here denied the truth of the fact that blacks commit far, far more crime than whites. That is undeniable and at the same time irrelevant to whether dumb and dumber had PC to arrest Arberry. FWIW, I reject the premise that dumb and dumber are, a priori, racist rednecks who sought to arrest Arberry simply because he was black as much as I reject the premise that because Arberry is black, he had likely committed a crime.

He went into a construction area/residence.
That made somebody take notice.
If I remember right, that person called the guys in the truck.

Had he stayed on the road/sidewalk...........walking or jogging.........would the caller have made up a story about his actions?
Was the caller racist?

Or did he simply see somebody acting a bit questionable, in an area that had burglaries?

Laws and even social norms, basic politeness.............seems lost on a pretty damn big group of people.
And it costs some of them dearly.

No one has suggested a burglary took place that day.

No one made a citizen arrest that day, proof in the video.

Did Mr. English have any prior thefts?

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Folks are tired of other’s stealing their hard-earned stuff.

No robbery took place. yet folks here persist with
the burglary felon allegation. MR. English the owner
of the premises clearly stated nothing was taken,
and that he has never been a victim of burglary.

as such a road block citizens arrest was illegal,
and the excuse that Mic.Jnr was only defending
Himself in the execution of his plan to unlawfully
detain a Citizen and deprive him of his liberty is
ludicrous.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

He wasn’t just a jogger. Lots of video going back to last October of him being in the house. At one point, before the cameras were installed, $2,500 worth of fishing tackle was stolen, obviously it was probably him.

Mr. English claims he had $2500 in tackle stolen?

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Gawd Jaq, in addition to being a racist and therefore a fraud as a Christian, you truly are a dumb puck. Nothing I said here denied the truth of the fact that blacks commit far, far more crime than whites. That is undeniable and at the same time irrelevant to whether dumb and dumber had PC to arrest Arberry? FWIW, I reject the premise that dumb and dumber are, a priori, racist rednecks who sought to arrest Arberry simply because he was black as much as I reject the premise that because Arberry is black, he had likely committed a crime.

White people who reside in towns with a .4% black population obviously live a racist lifestyle.

Originally Posted by hookeye

He went into a construction area/residence.
That made somebody take notice.
If I remember right, that person called the guys in the truck.

Had he stayed on the road/sidewalk...........walking or jogging.........would the caller have made up a story about his actions?
Was the caller racist?

Or did he simply see somebody acting a bit questionable, in an area that had burglaries?

Laws and even social norms, basic politeness.............seems lost on a pretty damn big group of people.
And it costs some of them dearly.

Can't tell you how many new constructions I've stopped at to inspect. I know others who've done the same. Its something guys who are interested in construction and building often do. If there were no "no trespassing" signs then under Georgia law, visiting the construction site and going into the residence isn't even a trespass (a misdemeanor) let alone a burglary (a felony).

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Those who are afraid to confront reality are useful idiots for the left.

Such as the reality that if all the black males between 16 and 25 were shipped off to an island, America's murder rate would drop by 50%.

Things would remain the same in Salmon, Idaho however.

Well said, and true.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Gawd Jaq, in addition to being a racist and therefore a fraud as a Christian, you truly are a dumb puck. Nothing I said here denied the truth of the fact that blacks commit far, far more crime than whites. That is undeniable and at the same time irrelevant to whether dumb and dumber had PC to arrest Arberry? FWIW, I reject the premise that dumb and dumber are, a priori, racist rednecks who sought to arrest Arberry simply because he was black as much as I reject the premise that because Arberry is black, he had likely committed a crime.

White people who reside in towns with a .4% black population obviously live a racist lifestyle.

On your premises and the premises which you share with black identitarians, that is true. But it is also wrong.

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Gawd Jaq, in addition to being a racist and therefore a fraud as a Christian, you truly are a dumb puck. Nothing I said here denied the truth of the fact that blacks commit far, far more crime than whites. That is undeniable and at the same time irrelevant to whether dumb and dumber had PC to arrest Arberry? FWIW, I reject the premise that dumb and dumber are, a priori, racist rednecks who sought to arrest Arberry simply because he was black as much as I reject the premise that because Arberry is black, he had likely committed a crime.

White people who reside in towns with a .4% black population obviously live a racist lifestyle.

On your premises and the premises which you share with black identitarians, that is true. But it is also wrong.

What's a black "identitarian"?

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by jaguartx

AS cant understand that if the dead man had laid down he would be home having a cold one today.

He was right, the dad and son wrong, but it doesnt matter, he made a dumb move and now hes dead and gone.

Happens to innocent kids at intersections every day, and they had no chance to lay down and wait for LEO to straighten things out.

Come on Doc.

Trade the races. Would you have just laid down for them?

Reverse the races and you also reverse the likelihood by a gigantic margin that the armed people involved are criminals looking for a victim, so it's apples and oranges.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Those who are afraid to confront reality are useful idiots for the left.Such as the reality that if all the black males between 16 and 25 were shipped off to an island, America's murder rate would drop by 50%.Things would remain the same in Salmon, Idaho however.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

In other words, about 3% of America's population commits 50% of America's murders.

OK, let's say you are correct. You basically are correct. How does that legitimize running this man down and attempting to arrest his freedom to continue on his way especially using a firearm to at least frighten him into submission? He likely was up to no good as in casing the neighborhood. I own property that joins a public road and property that joins navigable water and lots of suspicious people pass by, walk by, pass and even stop in boats. The only one I've contacted was the one that got out of a boat onto my place with a shotgun in hand. I told him to get back in the boat or I would call the sheriff to arrest him. As a private citizen you cannot threaten and detain people on public roads. If you threaten someone with a gun (yes, even a young black) you can be legally killed. However if you go start a confrontation and it suddenly goes against you, well tough s--t, you don't get a self defense claim. I don't see this as out and out murder but it is an unlawful homicide. Being a member of a class of citizens that are largely criminal does not open season on you. A lot of them are plumbers, UPS drivers, ambulance personnel, etc. Young black males are definitely a problem but they are allowed all the rights and immunities the same as you are. Sorry about that but that is the way it is.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

No one has suggested a burglary took place that day.

Yes they have and repeatedly so.

Its obvious you don't understand what constitutes
burglary in GA statute.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

No one made a citizen arrest that day, proof in the video...

They were attempting such before it went pear
shaped, unless you think DA Barnhill is lying?

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

.. Did Mr. English have any prior thefts?

For the 3rd or 4th time now, English is on record
saying he has never been robbed at that premises.

All up, Thats three Fails in a row for you in
a short space.

Think about this one for a moment.

Jr hillbilly mistakenly left his vehicle unlocked one evening, and mistakenly thought his handgun was still his. In his vehicle, in his driveway, on his property.

He likely got slack from his insurance company, since his door was mistakenly unlocked. May not have been covered, even.

He probably got scolded by law enforcement, for accidentally leaving his own door unlocked.

Would hate to think what would have happened to JR, had that firearm been recovered from a bank robbery scene.

Basically, we’re at a point where if you don’t lock your vehicle or house, you’re legally giving your stuff away.

It’s expected any more.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

As well, dumber jr had left a loaded handgun in his unlocked vehicle overnight back in January like all responsible humans do in a suburban community, that had been lost or stolen.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The black man got shot because he attacked a man who had a gun.

It's really not complicated.

This.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The black man got shot because he attacked a man who had a gun.

It's really not complicated.

This.

Well, that's pretty much the black and white of it.

Whitey did something illegal. The jogger did something worse, suicidal.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The black man got shot because he attacked a man who had a gun.

It's really not complicated.

Three guys in two trucks chased the man down, one guy jumped out with a firearm in his path in such a manner as to indicate he was willing to use deadly force.

Both parties reacted without much time for forethought.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

So why is okay to impute motives and intentions to the rednecks based on their race, location, and alleged attitudes towards blacks while not doing the same for the black victim? If it’s okay to say that the reason that these men set upon this innocent jogger is because they were racists white men, then why is it taboo to say that the black man was probably a thief who if he didn’t deserve whatever he got, at least brought it upon himself by his criminal actions?

Job Bob, you don't just get to declare someone a thief based upon their race. If you have convincing evidence, the kind sufficient to support probably cause that he committed a felony, present it.

But you seem to think it's OK to impute motive and intention on some white guy just because he's white. How convenient. I don't remember you being part of the "let's see all the evidence" crowd.

BTW, have you ever had a hostile firearm pointed at you?

You seem to know how someone should act in such a situation. Tell us how correct Ahmaud's actions were.

Maybe you could leave your blind racism out and speculate how things could have been different if Ahmaud had behaved differently.

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Goes triple for you Ghost.

Sorry sir, but I just don't give a schit what you think.

Doesn't matter, I'm merely stating fact.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The black man got shot because he attacked a man who had a gun.

It's really not complicated.

Three guys in two trucks chased the man down, one guy jumped out with a firearm in his path in such a manner as to indicate he was willing to use deadly force.

Both parties reacted without much time for forethought.

Yep.
The white guy thought the jogger would act rational and put his hands up and wait for LEO.

Both were wrong, one was dead wrong.

GA statute on Burglary:

A person commits the offense of burglary in the first degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant dwelling house of another or any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other such structure designed for use as the dwelling of another. A person who commits the offense of burglary in the first degree shall be guilty of a felony....

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2014/title-16/chapter-7/article-1/section-16-7-1

Notice that a burglar doesn't have to actually steal anything to be guilty.

Mr. Jogger stopped, looked, and entered the house, and tried to find something to steal, for approximately 30 seconds, before being yelled at, and running away at three times the speed he'd previously been "jogging" at.

And it's all on video.

i've snooped through buildings under construction before

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by Bristoe

The black man got shot because he attacked a man who had a gun.

It's really not complicated.

Three guys in two trucks chased the man down, one guy jumped out with a firearm in his path in such a manner as to indicate he was willing to use deadly force.

Both parties reacted without much time for forethought.

It's time for a *lot* of forethought before you yank on the barrel of a shotgun that somebody is holding.

Georgia law:

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Georgia Laws on Burglary

In the state of Georgia, there are two degrees of burglary—first-degree burglary and second-degree burglary. Under O.C.G.A. § 16-7-1, a person commits the offense of burglary in the first degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant dwelling house of another or any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other such structure designed for use as the dwelling of another.

A person commits the offense of burglary in the second degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant building, structure, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, or aircraft.

So, the Jogger clearly entered a building without authorization. The question is did he have intent to commit a felony or theft therein? Georgia case law says that the mere presence of valuables inside that could be stolen is sufficient to infer that intent and sustain a conviction for burglary REGARDLESS of whether a theft was carried out. For the purposes of burglary there is no misdemeanor/felony value threshold. If there was so much as a two-by-four or a hammer in there for him to take, his mere presence in the building was sufficient to sustain a conviction for burglary. Now, criminal trespass is a lesser included offense and he would be entitled to an instruction on it if he testified that he did not intend to steal, but he had done enough to be convicted of burglary and satisfy the law.

So yeah, the jogger could easily have been convicted of a felony that day based upon his actions. He also happens to be black. Saying that he could have been convicted of a felony has nothing to do with the fact that he was also black. It has to do with the facts as we know them.

Ha. You're expecting folks to act with an IQ of at least 72, Bristle.

All jogger had to do was say hey, I'm thinking of buying this place, and of course, wait for LEO. Whoa, that's a no go.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by jaguartx

AS cant understand that if the dead man had laid down he would be home having a cold one today.

He was right, the dad and son wrong, but it doesnt matter, he made a dumb move and now hes dead and gone.

Happens to innocent kids at intersections every day, and they had no chance to lay down and wait for LEO to straighten things out.

Come on Doc.

Trade the races. Would you have just laid down for them?

If I were jogging and two black men in a truck came at me like that with a shotgun you're damn right I would have laid right down. I sure as hell wouldn't have been stupid enough to try and grab the gun from them. I would have tried to reason with them asking what is going on.

I'm not saying that these two will be proven innocent but damn guys, where the hell is your common sense?

And I'm no racist. There are white trash same as there are black trash. I do believe that there are places that have too many of both. There would be an abundance of one of them at this location for sure.

Quote

Saying that he could have been convicted of a felony has nothing to do with the fact that he was also black.

i doubt the guys in the truck, or most of the guys reading this, think that

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

So why is okay to impute motives and intentions to the rednecks based on their race, location, and alleged attitudes towards blacks while not doing the same for the black victim? If it’s okay to say that the reason that these men set upon this innocent jogger is because they were racists white men, then why is it taboo to say that the black man was probably a thief who if he didn’t deserve whatever he got, at least brought it upon himself by his criminal actions?

Job Bob, you don't just get to declare someone a thief based upon their race. If you have convincing evidence, the kind sufficient to support probably cause that he committed a felony, present it.

But you seem to think it's OK to impute motive and intention on some white guy just because he's white. How convenient. I don't remember you being part of the "let's see all the evidence" crowd.

BTW, have you ever had a hostile firearm pointed at you?

You seem to know how someone should act in such a situation. Tell us how correct Ahmaud's actions were.

Maybe you could leave your blind racism out and speculate how things could have been different if Ahmaud had behaved differently.

Ahmaud didn't go and get his guns for the purpose of confronting another individual. Ahmaud did not initiate the confrontation without legal authority to do so. Georgia laws pretty clear. You start it, you don't get to claim self defense, but the other guys well within his right to exercise that right.

If someone, who's not a cop, points a gun at your, do you plan to forfeit your right to self defense?

Originally Posted by sse

Quote

Saying that he could have been convicted of a felony has nothing to do with the fact that he was also black.

i doubt the guys in the truck, or most of the guys reading this, think that

What you doubt is pretty immaterial to the facts.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Georgia law:

Quote

Georgia Laws on Burglary

In the state of Georgia, there are two degrees of burglary—first-degree burglary and second-degree burglary. Under O.C.G.A. § 16-7-1, a person commits the offense of burglary in the first degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant dwelling house of another or any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other such structure designed for use as the dwelling of another.

A person commits the offense of burglary in the second degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant building, structure, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, or aircraft.

So, the Jogger clearly entered a building without authorization. The question is did he have intent to commit a felony or theft therein? Georgia case law says that the mere presence of valuables inside that could be stolen is sufficient to infer that intent and sustain a conviction for burglary REGARDLESS of whether a theft was carried out. For the purposes of burglary there is no misdemeanor/felony value threshold. If there was so much as a two-by-four or a hammer in there for him to take, his mere presence in the building was sufficient to sustain a conviction for burglary. Now, criminal trespass is a lesser included offense and he would be entitled to an instruction on it if he testified that he did not intend to steal, but he had done enough to be convicted of burglary and satisfy the law.

So yeah, the jogger could easily have been convicted of a felony that day based upon his actions. He also happens to be black. Saying that he could have been convicted of a felony has nothing to do with the fact that he was also black. It has to do with the facts as we know them.

That law is clearly as racist as can be.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

So why is okay to impute motives and intentions to the rednecks based on their race, location, and alleged attitudes towards blacks while not doing the same for the black victim? If it’s okay to say that the reason that these men set upon this innocent jogger is because they were racists white men, then why is it taboo to say that the black man was probably a thief who if he didn’t deserve whatever he got, at least brought it upon himself by his criminal actions?

Job Bob, you don't just get to declare someone a thief based upon their race. If you have convincing evidence, the kind sufficient to support probably cause that he committed a felony, present it.

But you seem to think it's OK to impute motive and intention on some white guy just because he's white. How convenient. I don't remember you being part of the "let's see all the evidence" crowd.

BTW, have you ever had a hostile firearm pointed at you?

You seem to know how someone should act in such a situation. Tell us how correct Ahmaud's actions were.

Maybe you could leave your blind racism out and speculate how things could have been different if Ahmaud had behaved differently.

Ahmaud didn't go and get his guns for the purpose of confronting another individual. Ahmaud did not initiate the confrontation without legal authority to do so. Georgia laws pretty clear. You start it, you don't get to claim self defense, but the other guys well within his right to exercise that right.

If someone, who's not a cop, points a gun at your, do you plan to forfeit your right to self defense?

If I just committed a felony and am fleeing from lawful apprehension? Absolutely I have.

Originally Posted by Fubarski

GA statute on Burglary:

A person commits the offense of burglary in the first degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant dwelling house of another or any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other such structure designed for use as the dwelling of another. A person who commits the offense of burglary in the first degree shall be guilty of a felony....

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2014/title-16/chapter-7/article-1/section-16-7-1

Notice that a burglar doesn't have to actually steal anything to be guilty.

Mr. Jogger stopped, looked, and entered the house, and tried to find something to steal, for approximately 30 seconds, before being yelled at, and running away at three times the speed he'd previously been "jogging" at.

And it's all on video.

And lots of real states attorneys as well as various other defense attorneys in all the various articles and newscasts all say that the victim committed criminal trespass only... and... the shooters didnt see it happening, they saw him run by.

They murdered him without a valid legal reason to do so, and they will be found very guilty.

You probably go through peoples dresser drawers too.

Originally Posted by sse

i've snooped through buildings under construction before

Originally Posted by jaguartx

AS cant understand that if the dead man had laid down he would be home having a cold one today.

Are you so naive that you would surrender and allow yourself to be rendered helpless at the mercy of two or three gun wielding strangers in the middle of the street?
Strangers who had been using vehicles to aggressively chase you through the streets.
Strangers who doing such crazy schitt as standing in the back of a fast moving pickup, waving a gun, and one can safely assume shouting many phrases.

Does any of the demonstrated activity of the Bubbas prior to actual contact with the victim lead one to think their intended victim had any reason to believe he would be treated fairly, humanely, and not put at risk before Police arrived? Hell, the victim had no knowledge that Police were even in route.

Does one believe that Bubba and Bubba Jr were not shouting explicit threats toward their intended victim in their hot headed and reckless endeavor to bring to justice what they considered to be a POS dirtbag criminal?

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by jaguartx

AS cant understand that if the dead man had laid down he would be home having a cold one today.

He was right, the dad and son wrong, but it doesnt matter, he made a dumb move and now hes dead and gone.

Happens to innocent kids at intersections every day, and they had no chance to lay down and wait for LEO to straighten things out.

Come on Doc.

Trade the races. Would you have just laid down for them?

Fuggin A and like a dead man. I did it before when a Mexican put a blade to my throat at Ruby's dairy one evening in high school in Refugio, Texas about 1967. Saved my life, too, I figure. But, I might be smarter than some jigger, I mean, jogger.

If someone who could have already shot you and driven on home tells you to lay down and you attack him to grab the gun you are as stupid as that jogger.

Originally Posted by Fubarski

GA statute on Burglary:

A person commits the offense of burglary in the first degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant dwelling house of another or any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other such structure designed for use as the dwelling of another. A person who commits the offense of burglary in the first degree shall be guilty of a felony....

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2014/title-16/chapter-7/article-1/section-16-7-1

Notice that a burglar doesn't have to actually steal anything to be guilty.

Mr. Jogger stopped, looked, and entered the house, and tried to find something to steal, for approximately 30 seconds, before being yelled at, and running away at three times the speed he'd previously been "jogging" at.

And it's all on video.

This.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Georgia law:

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Georgia Laws on Burglary

In the state of Georgia, there are two degrees of burglary—first-degree burglary and second-degree burglary. Under O.C.G.A. § 16-7-1, a person commits the offense of burglary in the first degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant dwelling house of another or any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other such structure designed for use as the dwelling of another.

A person commits the offense of burglary in the second degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant building, structure, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, or aircraft.

So, the Jogger clearly entered a building without authorization. The question is did he have intent to commit a felony or theft therein? Georgia case law says that the mere presence of valuables inside that could be stolen is sufficient to infer that intent and sustain a conviction for burglary REGARDLESS of whether a theft was carried out. For the purposes of burglary there is no misdemeanor/felony value threshold. If there was so much as a two-by-four or a hammer in there for him to take, his mere presence in the building was sufficient to sustain a conviction for burglary. Now, criminal trespass is a lesser included offense and he would be entitled to an instruction on it if he testified that he did not intend to steal, but he had done enough to be convicted of burglary and satisfy the law.

So yeah, the jogger could easily have been convicted of a felony that day based upon his actions. He also happens to be black. Saying that he could have been convicted of a felony has nothing to do with the fact that he was also black. It has to do with the facts as we know them.

How about a citation to legal authority instead of your opinion (possession of valuable supports inference of intent to steal).

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Ha. You're expecting folks to act with an IQ of at least 72, Bristle.

All jogger had to do was say hey, I'm thinking of buying this place, and of course, wait for LEO. Whoa, that's a no go.

Would you trust someone who seemed irrational in the first place to not shoot you if you did not wait for the cops and just kept jogging?
I figured he feared for his life and tried to save himself.

Did you see the gun pointed at the jogger, prior to the confrontation/scuffle, Antelope Sniper?

Filling in the blanks again......

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

If someone, who's not a cop, points a gun at your, do you plan to forfeit your right to self defense?

And from my quick, very easy google search here is why it wasnt burglary...

1.) no forceable entry, nor was the property marked. To be such there must be obvious unlawful entry... i.e., someone stops in to ask for directions is no more or less guilty or innocent then the deceased in this instance.

2.) you must prove intent... you have to prove he had intent of committing a felony. You cant, hes dead.... and not at the scene.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And lots of real states attorneys as well as various other defense attorneys in all the various articles and newscasts all say that the victim committed criminal trespass only...

Race-baiting propagandists are misleading the public on purpose, for their own profit and motives.

You're a Covtard, so you'll believe that over the truth, as is your habit.

The GA state's attorney for the county where this occurred, followed GA law and decided it was a burglary, and therefore the armed citizens had the right under GA law to attempt to stop a fleeing felon.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Fubarski

GA statute on Burglary:

A person commits the offense of burglary in the first degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant dwelling house of another or any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other such structure designed for use as the dwelling of another. A person who commits the offense of burglary in the first degree shall be guilty of a felony....

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2014/title-16/chapter-7/article-1/section-16-7-1

Notice that a burglar doesn't have to actually steal anything to be guilty.

Mr. Jogger stopped, looked, and entered the house, and tried to find something to steal, for approximately 30 seconds, before being yelled at, and running away at three times the speed he'd previously been "jogging" at.

And it's all on video.

This.

Did he say "on video" that he was looking for something to steel?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Fubarski

GA statute on Burglary:

A person commits the offense of burglary in the first degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant dwelling house of another or any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other such structure designed for use as the dwelling of another. A person who commits the offense of burglary in the first degree shall be guilty of a felony....

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2014/title-16/chapter-7/article-1/section-16-7-1

Notice that a burglar doesn't have to actually steal anything to be guilty.

Mr. Jogger stopped, looked, and entered the house, and tried to find something to steal, for approximately 30 seconds, before being yelled at, and running away at three times the speed he'd previously been "jogging" at.

And it's all on video.

This.

Its actually not that... lol... go to the actual website fOr GA statues lmao...

O.C.G.A. §16-7-1. The statute defines burglary to be the “breaking and entering into any structure with the intent to commit a felony therein.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And from my quick, very easy google search here is why it wasnt burglary...

1.) no forceable entry, nor was the property marked. To be such there must be obvious unlawful entry... i.e., someone stops in to ask for directions is no more or less guilty or innocent then the deceased in this instance.

2.) you must prove intent... you have to prove he had intent of committing a felony. You cant, hes dead.... and not at the scene.

The burglary statute is posted above, twice.

Forcible entry is not required, nor is actually stealing anything.

Intent can be inferred from his actions, and proven by the video of the joglar, both inside and outside the house.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by sse

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Saying that he could have been convicted of a felony has nothing to do with the fact that he was also black.

i doubt the guys in the truck, or most of the guys reading this, think that

What you doubt is pretty immaterial to the facts.

the thoughts of a third person are not readily verifiable, but one can make reasonably accurate assumptions based on circumstantial observation of words and actions, not immaterial whatsoever

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Originally Posted by jaguartx

AS cant understand that if the dead man had laid down he would be home having a cold one today.

Are you so naive that you would surrender and allow yourself to be rendered helpless at the mercy of two or three gun wielding strangers in the middle of the street?
Strangers who had been using vehicles to aggressively chase you through the streets.
Strangers who doing such crazy schitt as standing in the back of a fast moving pickup, waving a gun, and one can safely assume shouting many phrases.

Does any of the demonstrated activity of the Bubbas prior to actual contact with the victim lead one to think their intended victim had any reason to believe he would be treated fairly, humanely, and not put at risk before Police arrived? Hell, the victim had no knowledge that Police were even in route.

Does one believe that Bubba and Bubba Jr were not shouting explicit threats toward their intended victim in their hot headed and reckless endeavor to bring to justice what they considered to be a POS dirtbag criminal?

I only know what I see on the video.

Black man grabs shotgun barrel. Shortly afterwards he falls down.

The narrative surrounding the event has been constructed by the media,...when it wasn't constructing a narrative about Trump colluding with Russia in order to defeat Hillary in the 2016 Presidential election.

I think he probably died of COVID-19.

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And lots of real states attorneys as well as various other defense attorneys in all the various articles and newscasts all say that the victim committed criminal trespass only...

Race-baiting propagandists are misleading the public on purpose, for their own profit and motives.

You're a Covtard, so you'll believe that over the truth, as is your habit.

The GA state's attorney for the county where this occurred, followed GA law and decided it was a burglary, and therefore the armed citizens had the right under GA law to attempt to stop a fleeing felon.

And hence..... why its now in the media... because it was put to bed, but the surfaced video proves otherwise... showing that DA was a racist bigot who’s friends with Bubba... proving your a premium retarded dinkus...

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And from my quick, very easy google search here is why it wasnt burglary...

1.) no forceable entry, nor was the property marked. To be such there must be obvious unlawful entry... i.e., someone stops in to ask for directions is no more or less guilty or innocent then the deceased in this instance.

2.) you must prove intent... you have to prove he had intent of committing a felony. You cant, hes dead.... and not at the scene.

The burglary statute is posted above, twice.

Forcible entry is not required, nor is actually stealing anything.

Intent can be inferred from his actions, and proven by the video of the joglar, both inside and outside the house.

Those like Ej cant understand the written law.

Ref. Lawson and Berry Law firm, Atlanta GA.

-What Must be Proven to be Convicted-

"To convict you of burglary, the District Attorney must be able to prove
that you had the intent to commit a crime when you broke into
and entered the place. Burglary requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt
that you broke and entered with the intent to commit a felony inside.
The defendant is not guilty of burglary if he decided to commit a crime
once he was already on the property but he will be guilty of theft or another crime."

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And lots of real states attorneys as well as various other defense attorneys in all the various articles and newscasts all say that the victim committed criminal trespass only...

Race-baiting propagandists are misleading the public on purpose, for their own profit and motives.

You're a Covtard, so you'll believe that over the truth, as is your habit.

The GA state's attorney for the county where this occurred, followed GA law and decided it was a burglary, and therefore the armed citizens had the right under GA law to attempt to stop a fleeing felon.

And hence..... why its now in the media... because it was put to bed, but the surfaced video proves otherwise... showing that DA was a racist bigot who’s friends with Bubba... proving your a premium retarded dinkus...

I think you're meaning "you're", dumbass.

Looks like white trash murdered the black man in cold blood.

The black man was coughing and hacking. The two white gentlemen tried to make him keep his social distance because he wasn't wearing a mask.

The black man wrestled with the man holding the shotgun for a moment,..then dropped dead from over exerting himself while the virus was working on him.

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And from my quick, very easy google search here is why it wasnt burglary...

1.) no forceable entry, nor was the property marked. To be such there must be obvious unlawful entry... i.e., someone stops in to ask for directions is no more or less guilty or innocent then the deceased in this instance.

2.) you must prove intent... you have to prove he had intent of committing a felony. You cant, hes dead.... and not at the scene.

The burglary statute is posted above, twice.

Forcible entry is not required, nor is actually stealing anything.

Intent can be inferred from his actions, and proven by the video of the joglar, both inside and outside the house.

No... no it isnt... thats from a 3rd party... i posted an exert from the real statue, from the real website... carryon dinkus, this whole google things above your head. Your not even doing it, your going by a forum post..... makes you even more of a dinkus!

Originally Posted by Ringman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Fubarski

GA statute on Burglary:

A person commits the offense of burglary in the first degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant dwelling house of another or any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other such structure designed for use as the dwelling of another. A person who commits the offense of burglary in the first degree shall be guilty of a felony....

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2014/title-16/chapter-7/article-1/section-16-7-1

Notice that a burglar doesn't have to actually steal anything to be guilty.

Mr. Jogger stopped, looked, and entered the house, and tried to find something to steal, for approximately 30 seconds, before being yelled at, and running away at three times the speed he'd previously been "jogging" at.

And it's all on video.

This.

Did he say "on video" that he was looking for something to steel?

Yes. By his actions in moving and looking around for something to steal.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And from my quick, very easy google search here is why it wasnt burglary...

1.) no forceable entry, nor was the property marked. To be such there must be obvious unlawful entry... i.e., someone stops in to ask for directions is no more or less guilty or innocent then the deceased in this instance.

2.) you must prove intent... you have to prove he had intent of committing a felony. You cant, hes dead.... and not at the scene.

The burglary statute is posted above, twice.

Forcible entry is not required, nor is actually stealing anything.

Intent can be inferred from his actions, and proven by the video of the joglar, both inside and outside the house.

Those like Ej cant understand the written law.

Go find some conspiracy website to post some more of your daydreams for everyone to read.... talk about someone consumed with fallacies!!

Google it dumbass

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

You probably go through peoples dresser drawers too.

Originally Posted by sse

i've snooped through buildings under construction before

no opportunity for doing so comes to mind

I left my garage door up, UPS man just left my package in there.....

Im going to cut his ass off down the road and blast him.... damn burglar....

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And from my quick, very easy google search here is why it wasnt burglary...

1.) no forceable entry, nor was the property marked. To be such there must be obvious unlawful entry... i.e., someone stops in to ask for directions is no more or less guilty or innocent then the deceased in this instance.

2.) you must prove intent... you have to prove he had intent of committing a felony. You cant, hes dead.... and not at the scene.

The burglary statute is posted above, twice.

Forcible entry is not required, nor is actually stealing anything.

Intent can be inferred from his actions, and proven by the video of the joglar, both inside and outside the house.

No... no it isnt... thats from a 3rd party... i posted an exert from the real statue, from the real website... carryon dinkus, this whole google things above your head. Your not even doing it, your going by a forum post..... makes you even more of a dinkus!

Link the site you're getting the "real" statute from, if you can.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Georgia law:

Quote

Georgia Laws on Burglary

In the state of Georgia, there are two degrees of burglary—first-degree burglary and second-degree burglary. Under O.C.G.A. § 16-7-1, a person commits the offense of burglary in the first degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant dwelling house of another or any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other such structure designed for use as the dwelling of another.

A person commits the offense of burglary in the second degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant building, structure, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, or aircraft.

So, the Jogger clearly entered a building without authorization. The question is did he have intent to commit a felony or theft therein? Georgia case law says that the mere presence of valuables inside that could be stolen is sufficient to infer that intent and sustain a conviction for burglary REGARDLESS of whether a theft was carried out. For the purposes of burglary there is no misdemeanor/felony value threshold. If there was so much as a two-by-four or a hammer in there for him to take, his mere presence in the building was sufficient to sustain a conviction for burglary. Now, criminal trespass is a lesser included offense and he would be entitled to an instruction on it if he testified that he did not intend to steal, but he had done enough to be convicted of burglary and satisfy the law.

So yeah, the jogger could easily have been convicted of a felony that day based upon his actions. He also happens to be black. Saying that he could have been convicted of a felony has nothing to do with the fact that he was also black. It has to do with the facts as we know them.

I don't believe your assertion of "presumed" intent squares with Quarles v. United States.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

I left my garage door up, UPS man just left my package in there.....

Im going to cut his ass off down the road and blast him.... damn burglar....

Was he wearing a uniform or a jogging outfit?

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Georgia law:

Quote

Georgia Laws on Burglary

In the state of Georgia, there are two degrees of burglary—first-degree burglary and second-degree burglary. Under O.C.G.A. § 16-7-1, a person commits the offense of burglary in the first degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant dwelling house of another or any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other such structure designed for use as the dwelling of another.

A person commits the offense of burglary in the second degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant building, structure, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, or aircraft.

So, the Jogger clearly entered a building without authorization. The question is did he have intent to commit a felony or theft therein? Georgia case law says that the mere presence of valuables inside that could be stolen is sufficient to infer that intent and sustain a conviction for burglary REGARDLESS of whether a theft was carried out. For the purposes of burglary there is no misdemeanor/felony value threshold. If there was so much as a two-by-four or a hammer in there for him to take, his mere presence in the building was sufficient to sustain a conviction for burglary. Now, criminal trespass is a lesser included offense and he would be entitled to an instruction on it if he testified that he did not intend to steal, but he had done enough to be convicted of burglary and satisfy the law.

So yeah, the jogger could easily have been convicted of a felony that day based upon his actions. He also happens to be black. Saying that he could have been convicted of a felony has nothing to do with the fact that he was also black. It has to do with the facts as we know them.

I don't believe your assertion of "presumed" intent squares with Quarles v. United States.

It doesnt, but he was black, so...

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

I left my garage door up, UPS man just left my package in there.....

Im going to cut his ass off down the road and blast him.... damn burglar....

Yep. The presence of your lawn mower proved intent to rob you. Time to go hunting.

Originally Posted by hookeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

I left my garage door up, UPS man just left my package in there.....

Im going to cut his ass off down the road and blast him.... damn burglar....

Was he wearing a uniform or a jogging outfit?

Dunno, didnt see him, just like dumb and dumber...

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

I left my garage door up, UPS man just left my package in there.....

Im going to cut his ass off down the road and blast him.... damn burglar....

Yep. The presence of your lawn mower proved intent to rob you. Time to go hunting.

I actually have some 2x6’s stacked up too... he probably looked at them before he left....

Time to get the beretta..

https://casetext.com/case/howard-v-state-924

Howard v. State, 227 Ga. App. 5, 8 (Ga. Ct. App. 1997) (“(b) "A person commits the offense of burglary when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he enters or remains within the dwelling house of another. . . ." OCGA § 16-7-1 (a). Here, the State proved that Ellison's dwelling was entered without her permission or authority. Brinson v. State, 208 Ga. App. 556, 557 (3), 558 ( 430 S.E.2d 875). The presence of valuables, such as Ellison's television, is sufficient to support an inference of defendant's intent to steal. Miller v. State, 208 Ga. App. 547 (1) ( 430 S.E.2d 873). In the case sub judice, the evidence was sufficient to authorize the jury's verdict that defendant is guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, of burglary as alleged in the indictment.”)

Originally Posted by hookeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

I left my garage door up, UPS man just left my package in there.....

Im going to cut his ass off down the road and blast him.... damn burglar....

Was he wearing a uniform or a jogging outfit?

i've recently seen a video of ladies dressed in delivery uniforms doing the porch pirate thing...pretty d_mn sneaky

So are burglaries now down in that hood or what?

Originally Posted by hookeye

So are burglaries now down in that hood or what?

No reported burglaries in that neighborhood per the police.

Only a stolen, loaded gun, from dumber jr’s unlocked vehicle.... model gun owner huh?

Originally Posted by JoeBob

https://casetext.com/case/howard-v-state-924

Howard v. State, 227 Ga. App. 5, 8 (Ga. Ct. App. 1997) (“(b) "A person commits the offense of burglary when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he enters or remains within the dwelling house of another. . . ." OCGA § 16-7-1 (a). Here, the State proved that Ellison's dwelling was entered without her permission or authority. Brinson v. State, 208 Ga. App. 556, 557 (3), 558 ( 430 S.E.2d 875). The presence of valuables, such as Ellison's television, is sufficient to support an inference of defendant's intent to steal. Miller v. State, 208 Ga. App. 547 (1) ( 430 S.E.2d 873). In the case sub judice, the evidence was sufficient to authorize the jury's verdict that defendant is guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, of burglary as alleged in the indictment.”)

20 year old state case.

Besides, a TV sure doesn't sound like the 2x4's being discussed above.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And lots of real states attorneys as well as various other defense attorneys in all the various articles and newscasts all say that the victim committed criminal trespass only...

Race-baiting propagandists are misleading the public on purpose, for their own profit and motives.

You're a Covtard, so you'll believe that over the truth, as is your habit.

The GA state's attorney for the county where this occurred, followed GA law and decided it was a burglary, and therefore the armed citizens had the right under GA law to attempt to stop a fleeing felon.

And hence..... why its now in the media... because it was put to bed, but the surfaced video proves otherwise... showing that DA was a racist bigot who’s friends with Bubba... proving your a premium retarded dinkus...

The GA state's attorney reviewed the same videos, and the full videos, not the edited versions that have been released, prior to reaching the conclusion no laws had been broken.

The videos that have been released, were released because the conclusion had been reached that no laws had been broken.

To try and reopen what was closed case, by race-baiting, and to improperly try and sway any possible jury that would try these white men.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

https://casetext.com/case/howard-v-state-924

Howard v. State, 227 Ga. App. 5, 8 (Ga. Ct. App. 1997) (“(b) "A person commits the offense of burglary when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he enters or remains within the dwelling house of another. . . ." OCGA § 16-7-1 (a). Here, the State proved that Ellison's dwelling was entered without her permission or authority. Brinson v. State, 208 Ga. App. 556, 557 (3), 558 ( 430 S.E.2d 875). The presence of valuables, such as Ellison's television, is sufficient to support an inference of defendant's intent to steal. Miller v. State, 208 Ga. App. 547 (1) ( 430 S.E.2d 873). In the case sub judice, the evidence was sufficient to authorize the jury's verdict that defendant is guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, of burglary as alleged in the indictment.”)

So year old state case.

Besides, a TV sure doesn't sound like the 2x4's being discussed above.

You mean a 23 year old case in the state where the events occurred.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

https://casetext.com/case/howard-v-state-924

Howard v. State, 227 Ga. App. 5, 8 (Ga. Ct. App. 1997) (“(b) "A person commits the offense of burglary when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he enters or remains within the dwelling house of another. . . ." OCGA § 16-7-1 (a). Here, the State proved that Ellison's dwelling was entered without her permission or authority. Brinson v. State, 208 Ga. App. 556, 557 (3), 558 ( 430 S.E.2d 875). The presence of valuables, such as Ellison's television, is sufficient to support an inference of defendant's intent to steal. Miller v. State, 208 Ga. App. 547 (1) ( 430 S.E.2d 873). In the case sub judice, the evidence was sufficient to authorize the jury's verdict that defendant is guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, of burglary as alleged in the indictment.”)

So year old state case.

Besides, a TV sure doesn't sound like the 2x4's being discussed above.

I might be wrong, but it would go from petty theft to a felony based on the value of said good... in my state it is $500 I think. Then within a reasonable doubt they would have to prove he could walk off with $500 (in my states case) of the building materials....

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

https://casetext.com/case/howard-v-state-924

Howard v. State, 227 Ga. App. 5, 8 (Ga. Ct. App. 1997) (“(b) "A person commits the offense of burglary when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he enters or remains within the dwelling house of another. . . ." OCGA § 16-7-1 (a). Here, the State proved that Ellison's dwelling was entered without her permission or authority. Brinson v. State, 208 Ga. App. 556, 557 (3), 558 ( 430 S.E.2d 875). The presence of valuables, such as Ellison's television, is sufficient to support an inference of defendant's intent to steal. Miller v. State, 208 Ga. App. 547 (1) ( 430 S.E.2d 873). In the case sub judice, the evidence was sufficient to authorize the jury's verdict that defendant is guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, of burglary as alleged in the indictment.”)

So year old state case.

Besides, a TV sure doesn't sound like the 2x4's being discussed above.

You mean a 23 year old case in the state where the events occurred.

VS. a SCOTUS decision from last year.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by hookeye

So are burglaries now down in that hood or what?

No reported burglaries in that neighborhood per the police.

Only a stolen, loaded gun, from dumber jr’s unlocked vehicle.... model gun owner huh?

Pretty sure GA law hasn't changed in the last 15 minutes.

Here's your opportunity ta be a hero, and post a link to the "real" GA burglary statute you were bullshittin everbody about.

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And lots of real states attorneys as well as various other defense attorneys in all the various articles and newscasts all say that the victim committed criminal trespass only...

Race-baiting propagandists are misleading the public on purpose, for their own profit and motives.

You're a Covtard, so you'll believe that over the truth, as is your habit.

The GA state's attorney for the county where this occurred, followed GA law and decided it was a burglary, and therefore the armed citizens had the right under GA law to attempt to stop a fleeing felon.

And hence..... why its now in the media... because it was put to bed, but the surfaced video proves otherwise... showing that DA was a racist bigot who’s friends with Bubba... proving your a premium retarded dinkus...

The GA state's attorney reviewed the same videos, and the full videos, not the edited versions that have been released, prior to reaching the conclusion no laws had been broken.

The videos that have been released, were released because the conclusion had been reached that no laws had been broken.

To try and reopen what was closed case, by race-baiting, and to improperly try and sway any possible jury that would try these white men.

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And lots of real states attorneys as well as various other defense attorneys in all the various articles and newscasts all say that the victim committed criminal trespass only...

Race-baiting propagandists are misleading the public on purpose, for their own profit and motives.

You're a Covtard, so you'll believe that over the truth, as is your habit.

The GA state's attorney for the county where this occurred, followed GA law and decided it was a burglary, and therefore the armed citizens had the right under GA law to attempt to stop a fleeing felon.

And hence..... why its now in the media... because it was put to bed, but the surfaced video proves otherwise... showing that DA was a racist bigot who’s friends with Bubba... proving your a premium retarded dinkus...

The GA state's attorney reviewed the same videos, and the full videos, not the edited versions that have been released, prior to reaching the conclusion no laws had been broken.

The videos that have been released, were released because the conclusion had been reached that no laws had been broken.

To try and reopen what was closed case, by race-baiting, and to improperly try and sway any possible jury that would try these white men.

Your OPINION isnt shared by the GBI, the Judge who set bail, nor the Federal Investigators now looking into this.... to which Im thinking that DA is going to get the axe and some charges too....

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by hookeye

So are burglaries now down in that hood or what?

No reported burglaries in that neighborhood per the police.

Only a stolen, loaded gun, from dumber jr’s unlocked vehicle.... model gun owner huh?

Pretty sure GA law hasn't changed in the last 15 minutes.

Here's your opportunity ta be a hero, and post a link to the "real" GA burglary statute you were bullshittin everbody about.

Numb nuts, in the cited case just above...

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Yes. By his actions in moving and looking around for something to steal.

Its only classed as burglary if you can prove
beyond reasonable doubt that he had 'intent'
to commit robbery before entering the structure.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

https://casetext.com/case/howard-v-state-924

Howard v. State, 227 Ga. App. 5, 8 (Ga. Ct. App. 1997) (“(b) "A person commits the offense of burglary when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he enters or remains within the dwelling house of another. . . ." OCGA § 16-7-1 (a). Here, the State proved that Ellison's dwelling was entered without her permission or authority. Brinson v. State, 208 Ga. App. 556, 557 (3), 558 ( 430 S.E.2d 875). The presence of valuables, such as Ellison's television, is sufficient to support an inference of defendant's intent to steal. Miller v. State, 208 Ga. App. 547 (1) ( 430 S.E.2d 873). In the case sub judice, the evidence was sufficient to authorize the jury's verdict that defendant is guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, of burglary as alleged in the indictment.”)

So year old state case.

Besides, a TV sure doesn't sound like the 2x4's being discussed above.

You mean a 23 year old case in the state where the events occurred.

VS. a SCOTUS decision from last year.

Doesn’t matter when the SCOTUS case was from if it is immaterial to the issues in this case...which it is.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by hookeye

So are burglaries now down in that hood or what?

No reported burglaries in that neighborhood per the police.

Only a stolen, loaded gun, from dumber jr’s unlocked vehicle.... model gun owner huh?

Pretty sure GA law hasn't changed in the last 15 minutes.

Here's your opportunity ta be a hero, and post a link to the "real" GA burglary statute you were bullshittin everbody about.

Numb nuts, in the cited case just above...

Joebob's post cited a case that contains the same language as the two burglary statutes previously posted, not the bullshit you tried ta throw out.

Forcible entry and posted? LOL

Here's your chance, hero.

Post the link to the "official" GA statute site, and the "real" burglary statute.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Yes. By his actions in moving and looking around for something to steal.

Its only classed as burglary if you can prove
beyond reasonable doubt that he had 'intent'
to commit robbery before entering the structure.

Not true.

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by hookeye

So are burglaries now down in that hood or what?

No reported burglaries in that neighborhood per the police.

Only a stolen, loaded gun, from dumber jr’s unlocked vehicle.... model gun owner huh?

Pretty sure GA law hasn't changed in the last 15 minutes.

Here's your opportunity ta be a hero, and post a link to the "real" GA burglary statute you were bullshittin everbody about.

Numb nuts, in the cited case just above...

Joebob's post cited a case that contains the same language as the two burglary statutes previously posted, not the bullshit you tried ta throw out.

Forcible entry and posted? LOL

Here's your chance, hero.

Post the link to the "official" GA statute site, and the "real" burglary statute.

Callnumbnuts and Ejp only know bull schiett.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Yes. By his actions in moving and looking around for something to steal.

Its only classed as burglary if you can prove
beyond reasonable doubt that he had 'intent'
to commit robbery before entering the structure.

Not true.

Hey! you're poachin *my* moron.

Go find your own.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Yes. By his actions in moving and looking around for something to steal.

Its only classed as burglary if you can prove
beyond reasonable doubt that he had 'intent'
to commit robbery before entering the structure.

Not true.

True- it's not true. Starman is FOS.

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Yes. By his actions in moving and looking around for something to steal.

Its only classed as burglary if you can prove
beyond reasonable doubt that he had 'intent'
to commit robbery before entering the structure.

Not true.

Hey! you're poachin *my* moron.

Go find your own.

Kool it Fu, theres enough maroons on here for you an me an Joe Bob too.

JoeBob,

Cite your source to your claim that $2500 in tackle
was robbed from the structure in question.

Statements from Mr English say he has never
been robbed, but alas, non-fiction attorneys like
You seem to know better... LOL.

Straman dreams of forcible entry in his star, man.

By the way, it’s now coming out that Travis (that’s the shooter) may have been the one to make the initial 911 call.

If that’s the case, then he directly witnessed the potential felony and would have the right to make a citizen’s arrest and stop him from fleeing.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

https://casetext.com/case/howard-v-state-924

Howard v. State, 227 Ga. App. 5, 8 (Ga. Ct. App. 1997) (“(b) "A person commits the offense of burglary when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he enters or remains within the dwelling house of another. . . ." OCGA § 16-7-1 (a). Here, the State proved that Ellison's dwelling was entered without her permission or authority. Brinson v. State, 208 Ga. App. 556, 557 (3), 558 ( 430 S.E.2d 875). The presence of valuables, such as Ellison's television, is sufficient to support an inference of defendant's intent to steal. Miller v. State, 208 Ga. App. 547 (1) ( 430 S.E.2d 873). In the case sub judice, the evidence was sufficient to authorize the jury's verdict that defendant is guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, of burglary as alleged in the indictment.”)

So year old state case.

Besides, a TV sure doesn't sound like the 2x4's being discussed above.

You mean a 23 year old case in the state where the events occurred.

VS. a SCOTUS decision from last year.

Doesn’t matter when the SCOTUS case was from if it is immaterial to the issues in this case...which it is.

No, it's not.

It also explains the more details explanation of a later Georgia case you ignored:

And this is an actual Georgia Supreme Court Case, not an appellate case like you quoted.

. “Generally speaking, in a burglary trial a jury must, of necessity, find intent to commit a felony on the basis of circumstantial evidence.” Jackson v. State, 270 Ga. 494, 496 (1) (512 SE2d 241) (1999). We have long recognized that intent may be inferred from the presence of valuables inside the place the defendant sought to access. Steadman v. State, 81 Ga. 736, 736 (2) (8 SE 420) (1888); accord Long v. State, 307 Ga. App. 669, 671 (1) (705 SE2d 889) (2011) (holding that a jury may infer that a defendant intended to commit theft based on the presence of valuables inside the premises, when the jury concludes that there is no other apparent or credible motive for the defendant's unauthorized entry). The jury is thus allowed, but not required, to infer an ultimate fact from proof of a basic fact. See Pollard v. State, 249 Ga. 21, 22 (2) (287 SE2d 189) (1982). “It places no burden on the defendant; it merely advises and guides the jury as to what conclusions they might draw from circumstantial evidence presented at trial.” Id. The fact that the jury is permitted to exercise a permissive inference of intent to steal when deciding a burglary charge does not mean that the defendant has any obligation to testify or otherwise contest that inference. But it also does not mean that another charge must be offered even where there is no evidence to support it.

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by hookeye

So are burglaries now down in that hood or what?

No reported burglaries in that neighborhood per the police.

Only a stolen, loaded gun, from dumber jr’s unlocked vehicle.... model gun owner huh?

Pretty sure GA law hasn't changed in the last 15 minutes.

Here's your opportunity ta be a hero, and post a link to the "real" GA burglary statute you were bullshittin everbody about.

Numb nuts, in the cited case just above...

Joebob's post cited a case that contains the same language as the two burglary statutes previously posted, not the bullshit you tried ta throw out.

Forcible entry and posted? LOL

Here's your chance, hero.

Post the link to the "official" GA statute site, and the "real" burglary statute.

https://kcsenior.net/classes/

There you go buddy... they even offer transportation it seems...

I can find you reading and comprehension classes as well? Just let me know...

Originally Posted by JoeBob

By the way, it’s now coming out that Travis (that’s the shooter) may have been the one to make the initial 911 call.

If that’s the case, then he directly witnessed the potential felony and would have the right to make a citizen’s arrest and stop him from fleeing.

Do you got a source for that?

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Yes. By his actions in moving and looking around for something to steal.

Its only classed as burglary if you can prove
beyond reasonable doubt that he had 'intent'
to commit robbery before entering the structure.

Not true.

Proving intent is a required element of burglary in GA, and the standard in criminal cases is beyond a reasonable doubt. But to be fair, the standards for probable cause are lower.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

By the way, it’s now coming out that Travis (that’s the shooter) may have been the one to make the initial 911 call.

If that’s the case, then he directly witnessed the potential felony and would have the right to make a citizen’s arrest and stop him from fleeing.

Do you got a source for that?

The videos clearly prove he couldnt have witnessed it.... you can see them get in their vehicle and drive by... they werent in the line of sight.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by jaguartx

"IMHO they need to clean up their own act before pointing fingers at others.
Yet every thug that gets blasted is pushed for Sainthood." Racist.

He was saving up money from stuff no one wanted in order to go to brain surgeon school. Sorry whites wouldn't pay his way.

Doc,

Every group ultimately fractionates down to the individual. This is not a question of black vs. white, it's a question of right vs. wrong.

You know Jag is not a real doc, right?

Originally Posted by Starman

JoeBob,

Cite your source to your claim that $2500 in tackle
was robbed from the structure in question.

Statements from Mr English say he has never
been robbed, but alas, non-fiction attorneys like
You seem to know better... LOL.

One of many

Prior to Arbery’s shooting, the man said in a second interview Wednesday, the cameras on three or four occasions captured someone walking on the property at night — one time stealing $2,500 of fishing tackle from a boat in his garage — but he could not identify the perpetrator.

Quote

One was a theft of $2,500 worth of fishing equipment from English’s property, which he said he didn’t report to police but confirmed.

Link

Originally Posted by Starman

JoeBob,

Cite your source to your claim that $2500 in tackle
was robbed from the structure in question.

Statements from Mr English say he has never
been robbed, but alas, non-fiction attorneys like
You seem to know better... LOL.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

https://casetext.com/case/howard-v-state-924

Howard v. State, 227 Ga. App. 5, 8 (Ga. Ct. App. 1997) (“(b) "A person commits the offense of burglary when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he enters or remains within the dwelling house of another. . . ." OCGA § 16-7-1 (a). Here, the State proved that Ellison's dwelling was entered without her permission or authority. Brinson v. State, 208 Ga. App. 556, 557 (3), 558 ( 430 S.E.2d 875). The presence of valuables, such as Ellison's television, is sufficient to support an inference of defendant's intent to steal. Miller v. State, 208 Ga. App. 547 (1) ( 430 S.E.2d 873). In the case sub judice, the evidence was sufficient to authorize the jury's verdict that defendant is guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, of burglary as alleged in the indictment.”)

So year old state case.

Besides, a TV sure doesn't sound like the 2x4's being discussed above.

You mean a 23 year old case in the state where the events occurred.

VS. a SCOTUS decision from last year.

Doesn’t matter when the SCOTUS case was from if it is immaterial to the issues in this case...which it is.

No, it's not.

It also explains the more details explanation of a later Georgia case you ignored:

And this is an actual Georgia Supreme Court Case, not an appellate case like you quoted.

. “Generally speaking, in a burglary trial a jury must, of necessity, find intent to commit a felony on the basis of circumstantial evidence.” Jackson v. State, 270 Ga. 494, 496 (1) (512 SE2d 241) (1999). We have long recognized that intent may be inferred from the presence of valuables inside the place the defendant sought to access. Steadman v. State, 81 Ga. 736, 736 (2) (8 SE 420) (1888); accord Long v. State, 307 Ga. App. 669, 671 (1) (705 SE2d 889) (2011) (holding that a jury may infer that a defendant intended to commit theft based on the presence of valuables inside the premises, when the jury concludes that there is no other apparent or credible motive for the defendant's unauthorized entry). The jury is thus allowed, but not required, to infer an ultimate fact from proof of a basic fact. See Pollard v. State, 249 Ga. 21, 22 (2) (287 SE2d 189) (1982). “It places no burden on the defendant; it merely advises and guides the jury as to what conclusions they might draw from circumstantial evidence presented at trial.” Id. The fact that the jury is permitted to exercise a permissive inference of intent to steal when deciding a burglary charge does not mean that the defendant has any obligation to testify or otherwise contest that inference. But it also does not mean that another charge must be offered even where there is no evidence to support it.

Hey, dummy, I said that criminal trespass was a lesser included but that a jury was allowed to infer intent to steal based on the presence of values.

So, thanks for finding a Georgia Supreme Court case that says exactly what I was saying.

The humorous part of this all though... its the defenses burden if going this route to prove within a reasonable doubt the victim could have been charged with a felony, at the same time defending their client. Which will be beyond difficult now, the victim is dead...

Dumb and dumber have a huge legal fee coming now, I think that part we can all agree on. They are going to need a serious legal team to get in front of this one....

And that DA better be calling in some favors right now, his fee’s adding up too. He’s fugged.

My, how opinions change like the weather...

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Dumb and dumber have a huge legal fee coming now, I think that part we can all agree on. They are going to need a serious legal team to get in front of this one....

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Here's your chance, hero.

Post the link to the "official" GA statute site, and the "real" burglary statute.

https://kcsenior.net/classes/

There you go buddy... they even offer transportation it seems...

I can find you reading and comprehension classes as well? Just let me know...

It's a certainty that that link isn't the "official" GA statute site.

Just like it's a certainty, that you never had a fkn clue what the real statute contains.

And it's a certainty that you posted the stupid shat you copied from Democrat Underground, bout forcible entry and postin.

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Yes. By his actions in moving and looking around for something to steal.

Its only classed as burglary if you can prove
beyond reasonable doubt that he had 'intent'
to commit robbery before entering the structure.

Not true.

Hey! you're poachin *my* moron.

Go find your own.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by shootAI

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

I just learned that Montana allows for Citizens Arrest.

You watch yo ass......

😂😂😂

Pretty accurate if you’ve met Big Jim 🙂

That’s what makes the meme so funny

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Here's your chance, hero.

Post the link to the "official" GA statute site, and the "real" burglary statute.

https://kcsenior.net/classes/

There you go buddy... they even offer transportation it seems...

I can find you reading and comprehension classes as well? Just let me know...

It's a certainty that that link isn't the "official" GA statute site.

Just like it's a certainty, that you never had a fkn clue what the real statute contains.

And it's a certainty that you posted the stupid shat you copied from Democrat Underground, bout forcible entry and postin.

Old timer.... its on here now like 5x’s... im not sure how more dense you can be? Its freaking word for gosh darn word....

And differs from the 3rd party line the other guy posted, YOU WANT TO BELIEVE...

Google it jackass.... Im not doing it for you. Im allowing you to rebel in your profound misery of a proclaimed victory.... meanwhile the people who can read, are giggling at you.

Originally Posted by callnum

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by jaguartx

"IMHO they need to clean up their own act before pointing fingers at others.
Yet every thug that gets blasted is pushed for Sainthood." Racist.

He was saving up money from stuff no one wanted in order to go to brain surgeon school. Sorry whites wouldn't pay his way.

Doc,

Every group ultimately fractionates down to the individual. This is not a question of black vs. white, it's a question of right vs. wrong.

You know Jag is not a real doc, right?

So, uh, how much do you want to bet?

According to some of these guys if you got home and found a guy dressed in black with a mask on in your house, you wouldn’t be able to hold him at gunpoint until the police got there. Why? Because unless he was carrying a sack of valuables on his back, you couldn’t prove that he was guilty of anything other than criminal trespass. And therefore, since he wasn’t in the act of committing a felony, you would not be entitled to make a citizens arrest.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

My, how opinions change like the weather...

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Dumb and dumber have a huge legal fee coming now, I think that part we can all agree on. They are going to need a serious legal team to get in front of this one....

That makes as much sense as your legal arguments or interpretation of the laws...

Ive never said the two dummies wont need an expensive legal defense lmao...

Originally Posted by JoeBob

According to some of these guys if you got home and found a guy dressed in black with a mask on in your house, you wouldn’t be able to hold him at gunpoint until the police got there. Why? Because unless he was carrying a sack of valuables on his back, you couldn’t prove that he was guilty of anything other than criminal trespass. And therefore, since he wasn’t in the act of committing a felony, you would not be entitled to make a citizens arrest.

Not me... hes in your house.... not running past your house down the street. Then, out of harms way, you go inside and arm yourself to pursue him, actually setting up a road block to attempt to “detain, or kill him”...

But, since most can say the victim was clearly burglarizing, then its also fair to say the two doofuses were clearly there with the intent to kill... see how tbat works?

Of course the castle doctrine is totally irrelevant to this argument...

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by JoeBob

According to some of these guys if you got home and found a guy dressed in black with a mask on in your house, you wouldn’t be able to hold him at gunpoint until the police got there. Why? Because unless he was carrying a sack of valuables on his back, you couldn’t prove that he was guilty of anything other than criminal trespass. And therefore, since he wasn’t in the act of committing a felony, you would not be entitled to make a citizens arrest.

Not me... hes in your house.... not running past your house down the street. Then, out of harms way, you go inside and arm yourself to pursue him, actually setting up a road block to attempt to “detain, or kill him”...

But, since most can say the victim was clearly burglarizing, then its also fair to say the two doofuses were clearly there with the intent to kill... see how tbat works?

Learn to read. I haven’t said that he was clearly burglarizing. I’ve said that his actions were sufficient to sustain a conviction for it.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by JoeBob

According to some of these guys if you got home and found a guy dressed in black with a mask on in your house, you wouldn’t be able to hold him at gunpoint until the police got there. Why? Because unless he was carrying a sack of valuables on his back, you couldn’t prove that he was guilty of anything other than criminal trespass. And therefore, since he wasn’t in the act of committing a felony, you would not be entitled to make a citizens arrest.

Not me... hes in your house.... not running past your house down the street. Then, out of harms way, you go inside and arm yourself to pursue him, actually setting up a road block to attempt to “detain, or kill him”...

But, since most can say the victim was clearly burglarizing, then its also fair to say the two doofuses were clearly there with the intent to kill... see how tbat works?

Learn to read. I haven’t said that he was clearly burglarizing. I’ve said that his actions were sufficient to sustain a conviction for it.

Learn to read. I didnt say you.

Originally Posted by hookeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

I left my garage door up, UPS man just left my package in there.....

Im going to cut his ass off down the road and blast him.... damn burglar....

Was he wearing a uniform or a jogging outfit?

Hahahaha. Tff.

Has anyone questioned the dead guys work history? How he was supporting himself ? How did he pat rent, taxes ?Where did he receive income from ? I'm only asking because all of this is public knowledge of bubba & son ?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And from my quick, very easy google search here is why it wasnt burglary...

1.) no forceable entry, nor was the property marked. To be such there must be obvious unlawful entry... i.e., someone stops in to ask for directions is no more or less guilty or innocent then the deceased in this instance.

2.) you must prove intent... you have to prove he had intent of committing a felony. You cant, hes dead.... and not at the scene.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Old timer.... its on here now like 5x’s... im not sure how more dense you can be? Its freaking word for gosh darn word....

And differs from the 3rd party line the other guy posted, YOU WANT TO BELIEVE...

Google it jackass.... Im not doing it for you. Im allowing you to rebel in your profound misery of a proclaimed victory....

It'll only be a victory, if you can't provide a link to the bullshit "real" statute, which you claim says the crap you posted earlier.

Think how great it would be, if you were actually *right* about somethin you posted on the innanet, for once.

After hundreds of posts, you could finally be *right*, steada FOS.

All the respect you would get, and me havin ta admit I was wrong.

And all ya gotta do is a "quick, very easy google search".

Seems a shame ta waste all that potential, for simple laziness.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And from my quick, very easy google search here is why it wasnt burglary...

1.) no forceable entry, nor was the property marked. To be such there must be obvious unlawful entry... i.e., someone stops in to ask for directions is no more or less guilty or innocent then the deceased in this instance.

2.) you must prove intent... you have to prove he had intent of committing a felony. You cant, hes dead.... and not at the scene.

The burglary statute is posted above, twice.

Forcible entry is not required, nor is actually stealing anything.

Intent can be inferred from his actions, and proven by the video of the joglar, both inside and outside the house.

Those like Ej cant understand the written law.

Go find some conspiracy website to post some more of your daydreams for everyone to read.... talk about someone consumed with fallacies!!

Google it dumbass

I guess my conspiracy theory about your deep state dimocommie buds was right. Did you not notice that on your fake news schatt.

A brief summary of impressions relative to this thread: A couple of dumbshits attempt to detain another dumbshit at gunpoint in the absence of authority or a deadly threat to a human being. A dumbshit is killed as a result of this activity. A clamor arises among a bunch of dumbershits as to the social/racial bias of American society and that the jogroe had it coming.

Questions: if you are an innocent human being do you believe that you have the right to resist an armed stranger attempting to detain or threaten you w/ death or great bodily harm?

If you are a legally armed citizen do you have the right to present a deadly weapon to another in a rude, angry or threatening manner not in defense of an innocent human being threatened by death or great bodily injury?

Conclusion: there are a bunch of ignorant [bleep] up in here that are not smart enough to recognize their own stupidity and continue to flaunt it with appalling consistency.

YMMV

mike r

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by JoeBob

According to some of these guys if you got home and found a guy dressed in black with a mask on in your house, you wouldn’t be able to hold him at gunpoint until the police got there. Why? Because unless he was carrying a sack of valuables on his back, you couldn’t prove that he was guilty of anything other than criminal trespass. And therefore, since he wasn’t in the act of committing a felony, you would not be entitled to make a citizens arrest.

Not me... hes in your house.... not running past your house down the street. Then, out of harms way, you go inside and arm yourself to pursue him, actually setting up a road block to attempt to “detain, or kill him”...

But, since most can say the victim was clearly burglarizing, then its also fair to say the two doofuses were clearly there with the intent to kill... see how tbat works?

Learn to read. I haven’t said that he was clearly burglarizing. I’ve said that his actions were sufficient to sustain a conviction for it.

That's too deep for Ejp.,

Below is the entire statement from the homeowner’s attorney, J. Elizabeth Graddy:

"Mr. English wants to correct the mistaken impression that he had shared this video or any other information with the McMichaels prior to the McMichaels’ decision to chase Mr. Arbery. The homeowners had not even seen the February 23 video before Travis McMichael shot Mr. Arbery. When homeowner Larry English saw the photos of Mr. Arbery that were later broadcast, his first impression was that Mr. Arbery was not the man captured on video inside the house on February 23, and he said that to a neighbor.

In the months prior to February 23, a motion-activated camera had captured videos of someone inside the house (which was and remains a construction site) at night. Mr. English has never said that Mr. Arbery was the person or persons in those videos, and he does not see a resemblance now. After the first time that video captured someone in the house, Mr. English contacted local law enforcement on a non-emergency number and made them aware of the unauthorized entry onto his property. He never used the word "burglary." He never shared any of this information with the McMichaels, whom he did not even know. Nothing was ever stolen from the house -- which, again, was a construction site. Even if there had been a robbery, however, the English family would not have wanted a vigilante response. They would have entrusted the matter to law enforcement authorities. On February 23, the English family was two hours away from the Satilla Shores neighborhood andwas unaware of the tragedy that was unfolding. Mr. English was not the one who called 911 on February 23. The only crime that the homeowner has seen captured on video is the senseless killing of Mr. Arbery.

As a native of South Georgia and an attorney, I personally was following this story in the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution prior to the release of the video of the shooting. Based solely on Gregory McMichael's reported statement, my professional opinion was that this was a murder, possibly a capital murder. After seeing the video of the shooting, I wrote to Tom Durdin, the prosecutor to whom the case had been assigned, and expressed that opinion and asked why the McMichaels had not been arrested. I reviewed the published letters written by the two prosecutors who previously handled the case, and my professional opinion is that they are legally unsound. And there are questions in my mind regarding whether the first two prosecutors' handling of this case might have violated the Georgia Bar's Rules of Professional Responsibility.

I am emphasizing these facts to address the impression that some people have that the homeowners took part in the McMichaels’ actions. The homeowners were shocked and deeply saddened by these events, which they learned of after-the-fact. The homeowners are parents, and they are heartsick for Mr. Arbery’s mother and father. Larry English and his family are praying for the Arberys."

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a black member of this group. Some of you are goddam embarrassment to human kind. This truly pains me. I get a bit defensive when left leaning people make the snarky gun owner=racist comments, but then every day this place reminds me that they have a point. I'd love to see you cowards say the kind of crap that you say in front of black people. You wouldn't do it because you are cowards. The world will be a better place when your are rotting in hell.

My grandma is the biggest bigot around and votes Democrat and own guns. Go figure. Same shoe don’t fit everyone. Your as emotional as a woman. No wonder you wear spandex bike riding. Not sure why others behavior affects some so much. Read it and move on.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

A brief summary of impressions relative to this thread: A couple of dumbshits attempt to detain another dumbshit at gunpoint in the absence of authority or a deadly threat to a human being. A dumbshit is killed as a result of this activity. A clamor arises among a bunch of dumbershits as to the social/racial bias of American society and that the jogroe had it coming.

Questions: if you are an innocent human being do you believe that you have the right to resist an armed stranger attempting to detain or threaten you w/ death or great bodily harm?

If you are a legally armed citizen do you have the right to present a deadly weapon to another in a rude, angry or threatening manner not in defense of an innocent human being threatened by death or great bodily injury?

Conclusion: there are a bunch of ignorant [bleep] up in here that are not smart enough to recognize their own stupidity and continue to flaunt it with appalling consistency.

YMMV

mike r

You left out one thing.
In my stupid book, it says grabbing the front end of a loaded shot to wrestle it away from someone is, well, stupid.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

If someone, who's not a cop, points a gun at your, do you plan to forfeit your right to self defense?

I have loaded guns pointed at me by potential adversaries several times. I one case, I was even armed with a shotgun and probably could have killed the other 2 guys if I wanted. But they are alive and well and so am I.

Why? Because I didn't act like Ahmaud!

You? What's your experience?

Obviously you either don't have any experience being in a potentially deadly confrontation or you think Ahmaud was a dumb ass too. Which is it?

Originally Posted by JoeBob

According to some of these guys if you got home and found a guy dressed in black with a mask on in your house, you wouldn’t be able to hold him at gunpoint until the police got there. Why? Because unless he was carrying a sack of valuables on his back, you couldn’t prove that he was guilty of anything other than criminal trespass. And therefore, since he wasn’t in the act of committing a felony, you would not be entitled to make a citizens arrest.

Nice Strawman Joebob.

No one here's asserted anything of the kind.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And from my quick, very easy google search here is why it wasnt burglary...

1.) no forceable entry, nor was the property marked. To be such there must be obvious unlawful entry... i.e., someone stops in to ask for directions is no more or less guilty or innocent then the deceased in this instance.

2.) you must prove intent... you have to prove he had intent of committing a felony. You cant, hes dead.... and not at the scene.

The burglary statute is posted above, twice.

Forcible entry is not required, nor is actually stealing anything.

Intent can be inferred from his actions, and proven by the video of the joglar, both inside and outside the house.

No... no it isnt... thats from a 3rd party... i posted an exert from the real statue, from the real website... carryon dinkus, this whole google things above your head. Your not even doing it, your going by a forum post..... makes you even more of a dinkus!

laughing this idiot is arguing with a lawyer.....

Originally Posted by Starman

Below is the entire statement from the homeowner’s attorney, J. Elizabeth Graddy:

"Mr. English wants to correct the mistaken impression that he had shared this video or any other information with the McMichaels prior to the McMichaels’ decision to chase Mr. Arbery. The homeowners had not even seen the February 23 video before Travis McMichael shot Mr. Arbery.

Looks like Mr. English don't wanna be murdered by any of the black folk that now know where he lives.

Not that that could possibly happen.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

If someone, who's not a cop, points a gun at your, do you plan to forfeit your right to self defense?

I have loaded guns pointed at me by potential adversaries several times. I one case, I was even armed with a shotgun and probably could have killed the other 2 guys if I wanted. But they are alive and well and so am I.

Why? Because I didn't act like Ahmaud!

You? What's your experience?

Obviously you either have don't have any experience being in a potentially deadly confrontation or you think Ahmaud was a dumb ass too. Which is it?

AS hasnt answered my reply as to what I would do if someone with a deadly weapon got the drop on me.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by jfruser

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by callnum

This thread shows the 2 bubbas and a whole lot of fire members should not own guns.

Ya mean like this racist?

Originally Posted by TrueGrit

...There's no question the negro would of still been alive to rape and pillage if he'd of just kept running. ... But the more you learn about Arbery the more it's apparent he needed killing.

It is because of people like you and callnum and your feral pets that we keep firearms handy.

People like me who believe in the rule of law, due process, the right to a trial by jury, bans on excessive bail and fines, and cruel and unusual punishment, and that these rights don't only apply to white people? So we are the problem? Really?

Looks like you are in agreement with callnum that he would disarm folk who don't subscribe to callnum's beliefs. Yes, that is a problem, and one of the top reasons to stay armed.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a black member of this group. Some of you are goddam embarrassment to human kind. This truly pains me. I get a bit defensive when left leaning people make the snarky gun owner=racist comments, but then every day this place reminds me that they have a point. I'd love to see you cowards say the kind of crap that you say in front of black people. You wouldn't do it because you are cowards. The world will be a better place when your are rotting in hell.

1. Your imagination needs work. Experience with real live black folks helps.

2. Stop conceding the moral argument to your enemies who would happily see you broke and dead and your children raped. Stop being a normiecon tool who regularly bleats out the new radical Goodwhite line a few years after it is unveiled.

3. BTDT. Athletics, military, workplace, elsewhere. Oddly enough, many black men prefer honesty in race relations to oleagenous Goodwhite euphemism and obsequiousness. And by "prefer" I mean I can and have developed team spirit & comaradery and spent many hours with & downed many beverages with black men...while we both express contempt for your sort of Goodwhite. The caveat is, these are masculine black men with a clue, a sense of mission, and who are not dominated by their women. Ferals and pu$$y whipped black men, not so much.

4. The world will be a better place when folk like yourselves get eaten alive by ferals you have so little first-hand experience with.

5. I can not overstate how much contempt black men have for weak, pathetic whites who they can get over on easily.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a black member of this group. Some of you are goddam embarrassment to human kind. This truly pains me. I get a bit defensive when left leaning people make the snarky gun owner=racist comments, but then every day this place reminds me that they have a point. I'd love to see you cowards say the kind of crap that you say in front of black people. You wouldn't do it because you are cowards. The world will be a better place when your are rotting in hell.

You make it embarrassing to be white. If somebody read just your writing, they'd think we were all a bunch of cucks.

"Paging David French. David French to the ohweresosorrytobewhite courtesy phone."

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a black member of this group. Some of you are goddam embarrassment to human kind. This truly pains me. I get a bit defensive when left leaning people make the snarky gun owner=racist comments, but then every day this place reminds me that they have a point. I'd love to see you cowards say the kind of crap that you say in front of black people. You wouldn't do it because you are cowards. The world will be a better place when your are rotting in hell.

Very well said. We have one black member here that I am aware of. A really good guy. Retired military commissioned officer. He keeps a low profile because this place is so hostile to blacks. This forum is dominated by racists whose race-based identity politics are identical to those of the hard left. Let me repeat that: guys like Bristoe, Hawkeye (and many others here) share the exact same premise as black identitarians of the hard, hard left. They are every bit as racist as the black racists they (very hypocritically) despise. It is a very poor reflection on Rick Bin that he indulges the racism so prevalent here in the name of the unimitigated pursuit of the almighty dollar. He should be ashamed of himself.

About time somebody said this. You also might wonder why there are almost no females on here, what with the continued sexual innuendos by the same group of low lifes. Or why they let card carrying Nazis like The Real Hawkeye post at all. Or why, more and more, so many posts are complete drivel. All Rick Bin seems to care about is number of clicks. The advertisders are dumb enough to pay him so many shekels per click so who cares what gets clicked?

^^^ The cuckservative cucked, cuckingly.

Maybe if you CUCK HARDER someone to your left will give you a cookie.

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Those who are afraid to confront reality are useful idiots for the left.

Such as the reality that if all the black males between 16 and 25 were shipped off to an island, America's murder rate would drop by 50%.

Things would remain the same in Salmon, Idaho however.

Bristoe,

That's a different subject.

That question at hand is what happened in this specific incident, and were the actions of the two bubba's s justified.

The subject was personalized by some of the PC members of the forum. So some facts needed to be stated to offset the PC propaganda and attempted shaming by some people on here who have had their brains turned to PC schitt.

AS, Tarqueen and Paul are pissed because they have no rebuttal to the preponderance of black on white crime here, in Great Britain, South Africa or Zimbabwe.

White farm wives who are raped, tortured, breasts cut of, vaginas cut out and run through from stem to stern with white hot steel poles are just normal parts of life for those whites suffering the Genocides in Africa.

Gawd Jaq, in addition to being a racist and therefore a fraud as a Christian...

Hilarious, you can't make this stuff up. Is that you, Matt Walsh?

So much for not adding to God's Law.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

By the way, it’s now coming out that Travis (that’s the shooter) may have been the one to make the initial 911 call.

If that’s the case, then he directly witnessed the potential felony and would have the right to make a citizen’s arrest and stop him from fleeing.

Narrative collapse in 3, 2, 1,..

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FTR, there are still many unknowns. But I know the way to bet, if forced to stake out a position. And given the data rolling it, it is not looking good frothe jogger-american grievance and hillbily-hater club.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

If someone, who's not a cop, points a gun at your, do you plan to forfeit your right to self defense?

I have loaded guns pointed at me by potential adversaries several times. I one case, I was even armed with a shotgun and probably could have killed the other 2 guys if I wanted. But they are alive and well and so am I.

Why? Because I didn't act like Ahmaud!

You? What's your experience?

Obviously you either have don't have any experience being in a potentially deadly confrontation or you think Ahmaud was a dumb ass too. Which is it?

If you paying attention, which you do very good job of in the gun threads, you would know I've already addressed that in part.

I've had several experiences similar to what you describe. In each of those instances I utilized my most important weapon, my brain, an no shots resulted.

Conversely, it wasn't always a question of me not acting like Ahmaud, it was also a matter of me not acting like Bubba, and Bubbaer...

Translation:
Please don’t burn my house down, when the McMichaels get off.

Originally Posted by Starman

Below is the entire statement from the homeowner’s attorney, J. Elizabeth Graddy:

"Mr. English wants to correct the mistaken impression that he had shared this video or any other information with the McMichaels prior to the McMichaels’ decision to chase Mr. Arbery. The homeowners had not even seen the February 23 video before Travis McMichael shot Mr. Arbery. When homeowner Larry English saw the photos of Mr. Arbery that were later broadcast, his first impression was that Mr. Arbery was not the man captured on video inside the house on February 23, and he said that to a neighbor.

In the months prior to February 23, a motion-activated camera had captured videos of someone inside the house (which was and remains a construction site) at night. Mr. English has never said that Mr. Arbery was the person or persons in those videos, and he does not see a resemblance now. After the first time that video captured someone in the house, Mr. English contacted local law enforcement on a non-emergency number and made them aware of the unauthorized entry onto his property. He never used the word "burglary." He never shared any of this information with the McMichaels, whom he did not even know. Nothing was ever stolen from the house -- which, again, was a construction site. Even if there had been a robbery, however, the English family would not have wanted a vigilante response. They would have entrusted the matter to law enforcement authorities. On February 23, the English family was two hours away from the Satilla Shores neighborhood andwas unaware of the tragedy that was unfolding. Mr. English was not the one who called 911 on February 23. The only crime that the homeowner has seen captured on video is the senseless killing of Mr. Arbery.

As a native of South Georgia and an attorney, I personally was following this story in the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution prior to the release of the video of the shooting. Based solely on Gregory McMichael's reported statement, my professional opinion was that this was a murder, possibly a capital murder. After seeing the video of the shooting, I wrote to Tom Durdin, the prosecutor to whom the case had been assigned, and expressed that opinion and asked why the McMichaels had not been arrested. I reviewed the published letters written by the two prosecutors who previously handled the case, and my professional opinion is that they are legally unsound. And there are questions in my mind regarding whether the first two prosecutors' handling of this case might have violated the Georgia Bar's Rules of Professional Responsibility.

I am emphasizing these facts to address the impression that some people have that the homeowners took part in the McMichaels’ actions. The homeowners were shocked and deeply saddened by these events, which they learned of after-the-fact. The homeowners are parents, and they are heartsick for Mr. Arbery’s mother and father. Larry English and his family are praying for the Arberys."

13 hrs ago...

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One day after the shooting, prosecutor George Barnhill had told police that he believed the McMichaels had just cause to pursue Mr Arbery, who was unarmed, and that they acted in self-defence, a claim that legal experts have dismissed as invalid.

Larry English, the man who owns the house under construction, told The Washington Post that the structure was not burgled, and that the McMichaels' accounts of robberies at the site are "completely wrong."

Viewing of the video by current Investigators
came to a different conclusion than DA Barnhill
just one day after the shooting... and on such
basis arrested/charged the McMichaels.

Do you think English currently has a motive to change his story?

Originally Posted by Starman

Quote

One day after the shooting, prosecutor George Barnhill had told police that he believed the McMichaels had just cause to pursue Mr Arbery, who was unarmed, and that they acted in self-defence, a claim that legal experts have dismissed as invalid.

Larry English, the man who owns the house under construction, told The Washington Post that the structure was not burgled, and that the McMichaels' accounts of robberies at the site are "completely wrong."

Originally Posted by callnum

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by jaguartx

"IMHO they need to clean up their own act before pointing fingers at others.
Yet every thug that gets blasted is pushed for Sainthood." Racist.

He was saving up money from stuff no one wanted in order to go to brain surgeon school. Sorry whites wouldn't pay his way.

Doc,

Every group ultimately fractionates down to the individual. This is not a question of black vs. white, it's a question of right vs. wrong.

You know Jag is not a real doc, right?

lmao

That’s dumb logic. Private property is private property whether posted or not. If it’s not your property and you don’t have permission from the owner you don’t belong there. No matter if your curious or anything else. I would hope observers would call someone too if it were my property.

.

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by hookeye

He went into a construction area/residence.
That made somebody take notice.
If I remember right, that person called the guys in the truck.

Had he stayed on the road/sidewalk...........walking or jogging.........would the caller have made up a story about his actions?
Was the caller racist?

Or did he simply see somebody acting a bit questionable, in an area that had burglaries?

Laws and even social norms, basic politeness.............seems lost on a pretty damn big group of people.
And it costs some of them dearly.

Can't tell you how many new constructions I've stopped at to inspect. I know others who've done the same. Its something guys who are interested in construction and building often do. If there were no "no trespassing" signs then under Georgia law, visiting the construction site and going into the residence isn't even a trespass (a misdemeanor) let alone a burglary (a felony).

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

If someone, who's not a cop, points a gun at your, do you plan to forfeit your right to self defense?

I have loaded guns pointed at me by potential adversaries several times. I one case, I was even armed with a shotgun and probably could have killed the other 2 guys if I wanted. But they are alive and well and so am I.

Why? Because I didn't act like Ahmaud!

You? What's your experience?

Obviously you either have don't have any experience being in a potentially deadly confrontation or you think Ahmaud was a dumb ass too. Which is it?

AS hasnt answered my reply as to what I would do if someone with a deadly weapon got the drop on me.

Would you give them a BJ if so demanded? If you fail to resist in a potentially deadly encounter you have chosen to submit and become a victim by choice, good luck w/ that. You, Tyrone and many others are just silly.

mike r

Originally Posted by stxhunter

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And from my quick, very easy google search here is why it wasnt burglary...

1.) no forceable entry, nor was the property marked. To be such there must be obvious unlawful entry... i.e., someone stops in to ask for directions is no more or less guilty or innocent then the deceased in this instance.

2.) you must prove intent... you have to prove he had intent of committing a felony. You cant, hes dead.... and not at the scene.

The burglary statute is posted above, twice.

Forcible entry is not required, nor is actually stealing anything.

Intent can be inferred from his actions, and proven by the video of the joglar, both inside and outside the house.

No... no it isnt... thats from a 3rd party... i posted an exert from the real statue, from the real website... carryon dinkus, this whole google things above your head. Your not even doing it, your going by a forum post..... makes you even more of a dinkus!

laughing this idiot is arguing with a lawyer.....

A criminal defense attorney in GA? If so Im sure he has the statue then, and can clearly relate it to the cited cases...

He’s clearly the idiot... the statues there, and says what I stated without a doubt.

What is a dwelling??? Is that construction site without a COO a dwelling? Was there forceable entry... can you have forceable entry on a construction site without barriers... what is a dwelling?

Mr Attorney should know all of this... lots of lawyers in the world... counsel for a publicly traded company wouldnt be the best to consult for a criminal defense, but....

Originally Posted by shootAI

That’s dumb logic. Private property is private property whether posted or not. If it’s not your property and you don’t have permission from the owner you don’t belong there. No matter if your curious or anything else. I would hope observers would call someone too if it were my property.

.

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by hookeye

He went into a construction area/residence.
That made somebody take notice.
If I remember right, that person called the guys in the truck.

Had he stayed on the road/sidewalk...........walking or jogging.........would the caller have made up a story about his actions?
Was the caller racist?

Or did he simply see somebody acting a bit questionable, in an area that had burglaries?

Laws and even social norms, basic politeness.............seems lost on a pretty damn big group of people.
And it costs some of them dearly.

Can't tell you how many new constructions I've stopped at to inspect. I know others who've done the same. Its something guys who are interested in construction and building often do. If there were no "no trespassing" signs then under Georgia law, visiting the construction site and going into the residence isn't even a trespass (a misdemeanor) let alone a burglary (a felony).

To be clear, the term residence wont be allowed... it isnt such. It is an unoccupied construction site.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Do you think English currently has a motive to change his story?

The story by Larry English regarding Arbery
remains the same,
they have not reported anything being robbed
by him, nor do they consider his being on the
their property as burglary.

Originally Posted by sse

i've snooped through buildings under construction before

Amazing how think this is ok or normal. Do you hop in cars that aren’t yours for a test drive if they are at the mechanic shop?

Originally Posted by lvmiker

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

If someone, who's not a cop, points a gun at your, do you plan to forfeit your right to self defense?

I have loaded guns pointed at me by potential adversaries several times. I one case, I was even armed with a shotgun and probably could have killed the other 2 guys if I wanted. But they are alive and well and so am I.

Why? Because I didn't act like Ahmaud!

You? What's your experience?

Obviously you either have don't have any experience being in a potentially deadly confrontation or you think Ahmaud was a dumb ass too. Which is it?

AS hasnt answered my reply as to what I would do if someone with a deadly weapon got the drop on me.

Would you give them a BJ if so demanded? If you fail to resist in a potentially deadly encounter you have chosen to submit and become a victim by choice, good luck w/ that. You, Tyrone and many others are just silly.

mike r

I'm sure you'd rather be the jogger rather than be victimized.

Cops let burglar victims be victimized all the time by not investigating a lot of crime.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

Would you give them a BJ if so demanded? If you fail to resist in a potentially deadly encounter you have chosen to submit and become a victim by choice, good luck w/ that. You, Tyrone and many others are just silly.

mike r

There's that tough guy!

10 ft tall & bullet proof - NO ACTION is too stupid for LV Mike!

Mike would have taken that gun and shoved it up their azz, right Mike?

Mike would have murder charges on him too, but he's toooo smart for that. Just ask him, he'll tell you!

Mr. English certainly told someone in the neighborhood about someone going into the house and having it on camera. Why? Because the person making the original 911 call referenced that the guy had been seen on camera in the house a bunch before.

listen, if a house next door is under construction, empty on a saturday morning, i don't think it's the crime of the century to poke your nose inside just to see how it's going...only done it once or twice in my whole d_mn life, so sue me

Originally Posted by lvmiker

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

If someone, who's not a cop, points a gun at your, do you plan to forfeit your right to self defense?

I have loaded guns pointed at me by potential adversaries several times. I one case, I was even armed with a shotgun and probably could have killed the other 2 guys if I wanted. But they are alive and well and so am I.

Why? Because I didn't act like Ahmaud!

You? What's your experience?

Obviously you either have don't have any experience being in a potentially deadly confrontation or you think Ahmaud was a dumb ass too. Which is it?

AS hasnt answered my reply as to what I would do if someone with a deadly weapon got the drop on me.

Would you give them a BJ if so demanded? If you fail to resist in a potentially deadly encounter you have chosen to submit and become a victim by choice, good luck w/ that. You, Tyrone and many others are just silly.

mike r

Make sure you dont get victimized and do as your D governor says.

https://news3lv.com/news/local/gov-...to-have-to-extend-the-stay-at-home-order

Originally Posted by sse

listen, if a house next door is under construction, empty on a saturday morning, i don't think it's the crime of the century to poke your nose inside just to see how it's going...only done it once or twice in my whole d_mn life, so sue me

Can get shot in GA for it, clearly...

And its Burglary to a good amount on this thread as well.

Originally Posted by sse

listen, if a house next door is under construction, empty on a saturday morning, i don't think it's the crime of the century to poke your nose inside just to see how it's going...only done it once or twice in my whole d_mn life, so sue me

I’ll bet if someone stopped you and asked you about it, you wouldn’t haul ass like a scalded dog either.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by Tyrone

You? What's your experience?

Obviously you either have don't have any experience being in a potentially deadly confrontation or you think Ahmaud was a dumb ass too. Which is it?

I've had several experiences similar to what you describe. In each of those instances I utilized my most important weapon, my brain, an no shots resulted.

Conversely, it wasn't always a question of me not acting like Ahmaud, it was also a matter of me not acting like Bubba, and Bubbaer...

So, you agree that Ahmaud was at the very least stupid and could have run away instead of escalating the situation?
Or do you think escalating the situation was smart and BY GOD HIS RIGHT TO ESCALATE AGAINST THOSE VILE RACISTS? (Just because they be raciss).

Oh, and there you go again using the "B" word racial slur. How very big of you.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Mr. English certainly told someone in the neighborhood about someone going into the house and having it on camera. Why? Because the person making the original 911 call referenced that the guy had been seen on camera in the house a bunch before.

Thats not 100% accurate.. here it is from the transcript:

"He’s been caught on camera a bunch at night. It's kind of an ongoing thing.“

It doesnt say where...

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

[He’s clearly the idiot... the statues there, and says what I stated without a doubt.

Without regard to the resta that SYJMU, at least I can spell statute.

And, I make certain that I *can* spell it, fore I start postin bout statutes.

Cause when you're postin bout what ya think's in statutes, and ya can't even spell statute, it do take away a little of the steam behind your arguments.

So, even though you completely fcked it up this time, and can't provide a link to the bullshit ya claimed, feel free ta post bout statutes, again.

If ya ever learn ta spell statute.

https://ec3kids.org/

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Mr. English certainly told someone in the neighborhood about someone going into the house and having it on camera. Why? Because the person making the original 911 call referenced that the guy had been seen on camera in the house a bunch before.

Thats not 100% accurate.. here it is from the transcript:

"He’s been caught on camera a bunch at night. It's kind of an ongoing thing.“

It doesnt say where...

Oh, so he was stealing stuff from other people too?

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Mr. English certainly told someone in the neighborhood about someone going into the house and having it on camera. Why? Because the person making the original 911 call referenced that the guy had been seen on camera in the house a bunch before.

Thats not 100% accurate.. here it is from the transcript:

"He’s been caught on camera a bunch at night. It's kind of an ongoing thing.“

It doesnt say where...

Oh, so he was stealing stuff from other people too?

Just says hes on camera at night

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

[He’s clearly the idiot... the statues there, and says what I stated without a doubt.

Without regard to the resta that SYJMU, at least I can spell statute.

And, I make certain that I *can* spell it, fore I start postin bout statutes.

Cause when you're postin bout what ya think's in statutes, and ya can't even spell statute, it do take away a little of the steam behind your arguments.

So, even though you completely fcked it up this time, and can't provide a link to the bullshit ya claimed, feel free ta post bout statutes, again.

If ya ever learn ta spell statute.

https://ec3kids.org/

Hey your google works!!

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Mr. English certainly told someone in the neighborhood about someone going into the house and having it on camera. Why? Because the person making the original 911 call referenced that the guy had been seen on camera in the house a bunch before.

Thats not 100% accurate.. here it is from the transcript:

"He’s been caught on camera a bunch at night. It's kind of an ongoing thing.“

It doesnt say where...

Oh, so he was stealing stuff from other people too?

Oh chitt, JB, we knew that when the SOB attacked a man with a gun. No way he could stay and visit with the popo. What would he say? Oh yeah, I forgot. "I dindo nuffiin."

Just curious.... now that we have two attorneys, or say they are....

Is Arbery going to be on trial....

Hey Fubarksi... since your so smart... is a construction site a dwelling, or fit the description of any of the locations/places listed in Georgia’s definition of burglary...

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

[He’s clearly the idiot... the statues there, and says what I stated without a doubt.

Without regard to the resta that SYJMU, at least I can spell statute.

And, I make certain that I *can* spell it, fore I start postin bout statutes.

Cause when you're postin bout what ya think's in statutes, and ya can't even spell statute, it do take away a little of the steam behind your arguments.

So, even though you completely fcked it up this time, and can't provide a link to the bullshit ya claimed, feel free ta post bout statutes, again.

If ya ever learn ta spell statute.

https://ec3kids.org/

Hey your google works!!

Too bad your noodle doesn't.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by lvmiker

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

If someone, who's not a cop, points a gun at your, do you plan to forfeit your right to self defense?

I have loaded guns pointed at me by potential adversaries several times. I one case, I was even armed with a shotgun and probably could have killed the other 2 guys if I wanted. But they are alive and well and so am I.

Why? Because I didn't act like Ahmaud!

You? What's your experience?

Obviously you either have don't have any experience being in a potentially deadly confrontation or you think Ahmaud was a dumb ass too. Which is it?

AS hasnt answered my reply as to what I would do if someone with a deadly weapon got the drop on me.

Would you give them a BJ if so demanded? If you fail to resist in a potentially deadly encounter you have chosen to submit and become a victim by choice, good luck w/ that. You, Tyrone and many others are just silly.

mike r

I'm sure you'd rather be the jogger rather than be victimized.

Cops let burglar victims be victimized all the time by not investigating a lot of crime.

That is not a rational or appropriate response. I have been threatened w/ deadly force and did not comply w/ the wishes of those that threatened and survived. You make your choices and deal w/ the outcome. If you believe that the killing was justified and unavoidable man up and say so.

mike r

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

[He’s clearly the idiot... the statues there, and says what I stated without a doubt.

Without regard to the resta that SYJMU, at least I can spell statute.

And, I make certain that I *can* spell it, fore I start postin bout statutes.

Cause when you're postin bout what ya think's in statutes, and ya can't even spell statute, it do take away a little of the steam behind your arguments.

So, even though you completely fcked it up this time, and can't provide a link to the bullshit ya claimed, feel free ta post bout statutes, again.

If ya ever learn ta spell statute.

https://ec3kids.org/

Hey your google works!!

And your "quick and easy" google, will apparently *never* work again.

Course, if you was googlin "statues", hell who knows?

Mighta been a statue that put out the bullshit you claimed.

[Linked Image from cdn.britannica.com]

LOL

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

[He’s clearly the idiot... the statues there, and says what I stated without a doubt.

Without regard to the resta that SYJMU, at least I can spell statute.

And, I make certain that I *can* spell it, fore I start postin bout statutes.

Cause when you're postin bout what ya think's in statutes, and ya can't even spell statute, it do take away a little of the steam behind your arguments.

So, even though you completely fcked it up this time, and can't provide a link to the bullshit ya claimed, feel free ta post bout statutes, again.

If ya ever learn ta spell statute.

https://ec3kids.org/

Hey your google works!!

Too bad your noodle doesn't.

Lmao... beyond weak..

Originally Posted by lvmiker

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by lvmiker

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

If someone, who's not a cop, points a gun at your, do you plan to forfeit your right to self defense?

I have loaded guns pointed at me by potential adversaries several times. I one case, I was even armed with a shotgun and probably could have killed the other 2 guys if I wanted. But they are alive and well and so am I.

Why? Because I didn't act like Ahmaud!

You? What's your experience?

Obviously you either have don't have any experience being in a potentially deadly confrontation or you think Ahmaud was a dumb ass too. Which is it?

AS hasnt answered my reply as to what I would do if someone with a deadly weapon got the drop on me.

Would you give them a BJ if so demanded? If you fail to resist in a potentially deadly encounter you have chosen to submit and become a victim by choice, good luck w/ that. You, Tyrone and many others are just silly.

mike r

I'm sure you'd rather be the jogger rather than be victimized.

Cops let burglar victims be victimized all the time by not investigating a lot of crime.

That is not a rational or appropriate response. I have been threatened w/ deadly force and did not comply w/ the wishes of those that threatened and survived. You make your choices and deal w/ the outcome. If you believe that the killing was justified and unavoidable man up and say so.

mike r

He was black... he’s made it very clear. He made it clear before the guy was dead in numerous threads dating way back. If it isnt about religion, or his conspiracies, its about black people... 1 & 3 very much clash though and make the joke on him.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Hey Fubarksi... since your so smart... is a construction site a dwelling, or fit the description of any of the locations/places listed in Georgia’s definition of burglary...

https://www.google.com/

And if confronted with a firearm I doubt you would wrastle it from them either

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by sse

listen, if a house next door is under construction, empty on a saturday morning, i don't think it's the crime of the century to poke your nose inside just to see how it's going...only done it once or twice in my whole d_mn life, so sue me

I’ll bet if someone stopped you and asked you about it, you wouldn’t haul ass like a scalded dog either.

Originally Posted by shootAI

And if confronted with a firearm I doubt you would wrastle it from them either

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by sse

listen, if a house next door is under construction, empty on a saturday morning, i don't think it's the crime of the century to poke your nose inside just to see how it's going...only done it once or twice in my whole d_mn life, so sue me

I’ll bet if someone stopped you and asked you about it, you wouldn’t haul ass like a scalded dog either.

Actually, I’m talking about when he noticed the neighbor making the phone call and hauled ass from the house.

JB - I am agreeing with you though it might not of been clear. His actions led to an unfortunate outcome. Not a normal jogging routine and I believe he was up to no good.

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Hey Fubarksi... since your so smart... is a construction site a dwelling, or fit the description of any of the locations/places listed in Georgia’s definition of burglary...

https://www.google.com/

Touché lol

Originally Posted by shootAI

JB - I am agreeing with you though it might not of been clear. His actions led to an unfortunate outcome. Not a normal jogging routine and I believe he was up to no good.

Yeah, he was on probation too, so any little thing would have put him in danger of probation revocation.

The whole thing is regrettable. I could actually see all viewpoints in this deal, the facts are subject to interpretation, but I can’t stand how bad these two guys are getting g railroaded.

Well now that there's been an arrest, all the black people will simmer down.

So we can all go to the hoods and check out those habitat for humanity constructions going on.

Best time to check em out, around midnight.

Lets all go.

We aint gonna steal nuthin, and they aint dwellings............so no worries.

How is calling the white males bubba’s every chance you get, any different than calling the BM a N_gger?

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by shootAI

JB - I am agreeing with you though it might not of been clear. His actions led to an unfortunate outcome. Not a normal jogging routine and I believe he was up to no good.

Yeah, he was on probation too, so any little thing would have put him in danger of probation revocation.

The whole thing is regrettable. I could actually see all viewpoints in this deal, the facts are subject to interpretation, but I can’t stand how bad these two guys are getting g railroaded.

No, Joe, say it ain't so. You mean he had a reason to haul ass and run. Well, I never. That son of a gun. Darn. Who woulda thunkit?

OCGA Official online is on Lexus Nexus

https://advance.lexis.com/container...rid=5c9478c9-ffb1-4c02-b247-5ca9df0ffe2a

Mike

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Do you think English currently has a motive to change his story?

Originally Posted by Starman

Quote

One day after the shooting, prosecutor George Barnhill had told police that he believed the McMichaels had just cause to pursue Mr Arbery, who was unarmed, and that they acted in self-defence, a claim that legal experts have dismissed as invalid.

Larry English, the man who owns the house under construction, told The Washington Post that the structure was not burgled, and that the McMichaels' accounts of robberies at the site are "completely wrong."

Jesus Christ It's Werner's birthday today...Ironically one of the guys in my Predator Calling Club who was fortunate enough to move his Family and Business to Idaho earlier this year welcomed his fourth child into the World today his name, Barrett John Turner.
I wish them both well.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Mr. English certainly told someone in the neighborhood about someone going into the house and having it on camera. Why? Because the person making the original 911 call referenced that the guy had been seen on camera in the house a bunch before.

Again, what is your source that $2500 in tackle
went missing from the English house in October,
and how did you link it to Arbery as a prime suspect? considering no CCTV was installed at the time.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

... At one point, before the cameras were installed, $2,500 worth of fishing tackle was stolen, obviously it was probably him.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

.. All I’ve seen is an officer's summary. Those are frequently highly condensed and sometimes, just wrong.

You don't even trust the police summary on the
Arbery shooting... but want people to believe
your fantasies based on unrecorded events prior.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Yes. By his actions in moving and looking around for something to steal.

Its only classed as burglary if you can prove
beyond reasonable doubt that he had 'intent'
to commit robbery before entering the structure.

Not true.

Not true, and wrong on multiple levels.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Starman

Its only classed as burglary if you can prove
beyond reasonable doubt that he had 'intent'
to commit robbery before entering the structure.

Not true.

Not true, and wrong on multiple levels.

take the issue up with these guys >>>>

[Ref. Lawson and Berry Law firm, Atlanta GA.]

-What Must be Proven to be Convicted-

"To convict you of burglary, the District Attorney must be able to prove
that you had the intent to commit a crime when you broke into
and entered the place. Burglary requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt
that you broke and entered with the intent to commit a felony inside.
The defendant is not guilty of burglary if he decided to commit a crime
once he was already on the property but he will be guilty of theft or another crime."

NO doubt TRH and JoeBobs experience in GA
Criminal law exceeds that of Lawson & Berry.
.. you can take that to the 24hrCampfire bank... LoL.

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

I don't know much about it...but imo the guy was a thief ,a couple of bubbas tried to detain him. He grabbed the shotgun barrel trying to yank it away and gun went off. That's what it looked like to me, I could be completely wrong.

I don't really give a schit about any of it.

That's about what happened, I don't GAF that he got kilt trying to get away from stealing some sheit. Fuqk Him.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Mr. English certainly told someone in the neighborhood about someone going into the house and having it on camera. Why? Because the person making the original 911 call referenced that the guy had been seen on camera in the house a bunch before.

Again, what is your source that $2500 in tackle
went missing from the English house in October,
and how did you link it to Arbery as a prime suspect? considering no CCTV was installed at the time.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

... At one point, before the cameras were installed, $2,500 worth of fishing tackle was stolen, obviously it was probably him.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

.. All I’ve seen is an officer's summary. Those are frequently highly condensed and sometimes, just wrong.

You don't even trust the police summary on the
Arbery shooting... but want people to believe
your fantasies based on unrecorded events prior.

He gave interviews where he told of the tackle. Period. End of story.

Yes, officer’s summaries are just that, summaries. As such, the accuracy often depends on the intelligence, literacy, and motivation of the police officer. I have seen many that are slightly misleading to flat out wrong compared to what was actually contained in the entire packet.

Fantasy? The guy making the 911 call mentioned seeing the suspect on camera a bunch of tines. How would he even know to mention it unless contrary to his lawyer’s assertions, he had told somebody about them? Or do you contend that the initial caller was in on this scheme to frame an innocent black jogger?

Still don't have enough evidence.

Foolish things were done for sure.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

He gave interviews where he told of the tackle. Period. End of story

Still no source provided ... Why is that?

And still no evidence to support your claim
Arbery was a prime suspect in the alleged
tackle theft.

in the absence of CCTV, did anyone witness him
take the tackle or be on premises at the time?

What do you actually have that's verifiable ?

From the National Review:

May 8, 2020. (Dustin Chambers/Reuters)
Glynn County district attorney Jackie Johnson prevented officers from making arrests after the shooting of Ahmaud Arbery in February, two county commissioners told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution on Friday.

“The police at the scene went to her, saying they were ready to arrest both of them. These were the police at the scene who had done the investigation,” said Commissioner Allen Booker. “She shut them down to protect her friend [Gregory] McMichael.”

Commissioner Peter Murphy concurred, saying that when police turned to Johnson’s office to inform them of intent to arrest McMichael, police “were told not to make the arrest.”
.......
Johnson recused herself from the case shortly following the shooting, and did not respond to the Journal-Constitution‘s request for comment."

******
LOL, apparently she couldn't see the conflict of interest
of her involvement in the criminal case of a friend and
X employee of 20 yrs service in her Brunswick DA office.

Then she gave it to DA George Barnhill Snr.
who also could not see the conflict of interest
that his attorney son had worked with
Gregory McMichael on an Arbery case.

It wasnt until Arberys parents objected
that he had the sense to recuse himself.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by JoeBob

He gave interviews where he told of the tackle. Period. End of story

Still no source provided ... Why is that?

And still no evidence to support your claim
Arbery was a prime suspect in the alleged
tackle theft.

in the absence of CCTV, did anyone witness him
take the tackle or be on premises at the time?

What do you actually have that's verifiable ?

I already linked the source.

I have t claimed he took the tackle. I simply noted that he reported that much tackle missing at one point. Makes sense too, because you can see a boat in there in some of the videos from last year showing Arbery in there.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

I havent claimed he took the tackle...

Then what are you suggesting or strongly implying here?

Originally Posted by JoeBob

... At one point, before the cameras were installed, $2,500 worth of fishing tackle was stolen, obviously it was probably him.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

So GBI viewed all the footage seen here (and more)
and found no evidence of him thieving or/ 'intent' to
thieve in any of it., .. would that be correct?

and consequently arrested the McMichaels cause it
was deemed no felony was committed by Arbery to
justify citizens arrest/self-defence..... correct?

Despite your far more limited video evidence knowledge
than GBI and your displayed distinct lack of understanding
of GA statute[re: burglary] , somehow you know better
than those in charge of the case.

Despite the predictable derailed train wreck this has become, one outcome of this thread for me, was that it prompted me to review the citizen's arrest laws for my home state.

I had done that years ago, but a refresher was worth my time:

In my home state, there are rules and regulations around a citizen's arrest - acceptable use of restraint. The guidelines around being an actual, in person whiteness of an ACTUAL crime in progress.... Plus the use of force to restrain, and the acceptable use of deadly force. It's late and I won't go into the details, but there is a lot to think about when apprehending someone as a civilian.

Not to mention:

Assisting a peace officer after being commanded to do so, and the civil protections afforded if you jump in.

And, the penalties if you refuse, which actually exist in Colorado.

And, all of the guidance about when you will and won't be protected from civil suites, which for most of us, is probably the biggest threat in these situations.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

https://casetext.com/case/howard-v-state-924

Howard v. State, 227 Ga. App. 5, 8 (Ga. Ct. App. 1997) (“(b) "A person commits the offense of burglary when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he enters or remains within the dwelling house of another. . . ." OCGA § 16-7-1 (a). Here, the State proved that Ellison's dwelling was entered without her permission or authority. Brinson v. State, 208 Ga. App. 556, 557 (3), 558 ( 430 S.E.2d 875). The presence of valuables, such as Ellison's television, is sufficient to support an inference of defendant's intent to steal. Miller v. State, 208 Ga. App. 547 (1) ( 430 S.E.2d 873). In the case sub judice, the evidence was sufficient to authorize the jury's verdict that defendant is guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, of burglary as alleged in the indictment.”)

The cited cases are "sufficiency of the evidence" cases meaning, that the court of appeal, drawing every reasonable inference in favor of the verdict in the trial court (which they are required to do) found the evidence sufficient to support the jury's conclusion the defendant had the requisite intent. In other words, neither the Howard or Miller decisions stand for the proposition that the mere presence of valuables standing alone suffices to prove felonious intent. Rather, they stand for the proposition that a jury having found sufficient evidence to convict and the court of appeal drawing every reasonable inference in favor of the verdict (as they are required to do on appeal) was disinclined to second guess the jury on the issue of intent based (in part at least) on the presence of valuables in the home. The cited cases do not stand for the proposition that the mere presence of valuables in a home one has entered makes you guilty of burglary.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a black member of this group. Some of you are goddam embarrassment to human kind. This truly pains me. I get a bit defensive when left leaning people make the snarky gun owner=racist comments, but then every day this place reminds me that they have a point. I'd love to see you cowards say the kind of crap that you say in front of black people. You wouldn't do it because you are cowards. The world will be a better place when your are rotting in hell.

GFY. LOL

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a black member of this group. Some of you are goddam embarrassment to human kind. This truly pains me. I get a bit defensive when left leaning people make the snarky gun owner=racist comments, but then every day this place reminds me that they have a point. I'd love to see you cowards say the kind of crap that you say in front of black people. You wouldn't do it because you are cowards. The world will be a better place when your are rotting in hell.

Very well said. We have one black member here that I am aware of. A really good guy. Retired military commissioned officer. He keeps a low profile because this place is so hostile to blacks. This forum is dominated by racists whose race-based identity politics are identical to those of the hard left. Let me repeat that: guys like Bristoe, Hawkeye (and many others here) share the exact same premise as black identitarians of the hard, hard left. They are every bit as racist as the black racists they (very hypocritically) despise. It is a very poor reflection on Rick Bin that he indulges the racism so prevalent here in the name of the unimitigated pursuit of the almighty dollar. He should be ashamed of himself.

Beat it then.

One thing that's come out of this is my having second thoughts of looking at new construction without asking. Here in Arkansas it must be a habitable residence to be burglary. The worst they can get you with is trespassing unless you actually stole something, and then it's still not burglary. It's pretty common for people to take a quick look around a new house going up, multiple times as it progresses. Most people don't mind, and some encourage it to drum up more business. I certainly never thought it could have been something that would have led to being gunned down in the middle of the street.

Originally Posted by AKCHOPPER

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a black member of this group. Some of you are goddam embarrassment to human kind. This truly pains me. I get a bit defensive when left leaning people make the snarky gun owner=racist comments, but then every day this place reminds me that they have a point. I'd love to see you cowards say the kind of crap that you say in front of black people. You wouldn't do it because you are cowards. The world will be a better place when your are rotting in hell.

GFY. LOL

Arguing like a 3rd grader. Impressive.

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by JoeBob

https://casetext.com/case/howard-v-state-924

Howard v. State, 227 Ga. App. 5, 8 (Ga. Ct. App. 1997) (“(b) "A person commits the offense of burglary when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he enters or remains within the dwelling house of another. . . ." OCGA § 16-7-1 (a). Here, the State proved that Ellison's dwelling was entered without her permission or authority. Brinson v. State, 208 Ga. App. 556, 557 (3), 558 ( 430 S.E.2d 875). The presence of valuables, such as Ellison's television, is sufficient to support an inference of defendant's intent to steal. Miller v. State, 208 Ga. App. 547 (1) ( 430 S.E.2d 873). In the case sub judice, the evidence was sufficient to authorize the jury's verdict that defendant is guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, of burglary as alleged in the indictment.”)

The cited cases are "sufficiency of the evidence" cases meaning, that the court of appeal, drawing every reasonable inference in favor of the verdict in the trial court (which they are required to do) found the evidence sufficient to support the jury's conclusion the defendant had the requisite intent. In other words, neither the Howard or Miller decisions stand for the proposition that the mere presence of valuables standing alone suffices to prove felonious intent. Rather, they stand for the proposition that a jury having found sufficient evidence to convict and the court of appeal drawing every reasonable inference in favor of the verdict (as they are required to do on appeal) was disinclined to second guess the jury on the issue of intent based (in part at least) on the presence of valuables in the home. The cited cases do not stand for the proposition that the mere presence of valuables in a home one has entered makes you guilty of burglary.

Nothing he could have done necessarily makes him guilty of burglary. But he did enough that a jury could have found him guilty of burglary. AND AS I SAID IN MY FIRST POST ON IT, a jury could also have found him guilty of the lesser included of criminal trespass, or nothing at all for that matter.

So, once again, thank you for confirming what I said all along.

Wonder why English changed his mind concerning the fishing tackle theft?

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English, 50, said he was about 90 miles away in Douglas, Ga., where he lives with his wife and two children, when Arbery was killed. He said he is severely ill and is building the waterfront home as part of his bucket list. But he said it’s now unlikely his family will ever move into the Brunswick home because he’s faced death threats and his wife is too afraid.

Link

Another can of worms is intervening on behalf of someone else, and I don’t mean chasing some guy down the street as happened here.

From what I gather you’re fairly safe from civil lawsuits if you use deadly force in lawful self-defense, might get less clear if you ain’t the one being attacked.

Closest I ever came to that was when I was birdwatching along a walking trail here in a park on the West Side. An attractive Hispanic woman, early twenties walks by in workout gear and she looks scared, shoots me one of those looks like she wanted to ask for help.

Parking lot ain’t far away so I follow at a discrete distance, she gets back to her car and there’s a large, dangerous-looking individual waiting, probable Ex-Con/gang member type, late twenties/early thirties. The gist of the loud conversation that followed was they know each other somehow, she was still really scared and wanted him to leave her alone, she’s in the drivers seat he is standing right there obstructing her from closing it.

Coulda been a boyfriend/pimp/debt collector/all of the above.

I commence to watch birds again at an appropriate distance, far enough away so as not to be involved, close enough to be someone who was “there”, not looking directly at them. Nobody else around just then. Me an older White guy with binocs apparently looking at trees.

After maybe five minutes of this (a loooong time for me right then) he steps back, she drives off, he gets in his own vehicle and leaves also. Huge relief on my part. I do suspect I helped her out just by being present but what I shoulda done is called 911 right off and then hung around like I did.

Otherwise it could have been me and my j-frame “diving into a deep well of schidt”.......

It coulda been a deep well even if I HAD called the Cops, maybe just a bit less deep....

This guy here does a pretty decent job of being objective. I agree with most of what he says.

What we actually know

Originally Posted by lvmiker

That is not a rational or appropriate response.

Just when I think you can't get any dumber, you post that.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

I have been threatened w/ deadly force and did not comply w/ the wishes of those that threatened and survived. You make your choices and deal w/ the outcome. If you believe that the killing was justified and unavoidable man up and say so.

mike r

C'mon Mike, why didn't you be a hero like Ahmaud tried to be and take that gun and shove it up their azz?

I understand that you are such a [bleep] you think that men should stay inside rather than investigate criminals having the run of the neighborhood.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

This guy here does a pretty decent job of being objective. I agree with most of what he says.

What we actually know

Hes wrong almost right off the bat with his definition of a dwelling....

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by sse

listen, if a house next door is under construction, empty on a saturday morning, i don't think it's the crime of the century to poke your nose inside just to see how it's going...only done it once or twice in my whole d_mn life, so sue me

I’ll bet if someone stopped you and asked you about it, you wouldn’t haul ass like a scalded dog either.

uh, no...i'm not doing anything egregious...if the contractor or owner showed up they'd probably give me a tour and have a nice chat.

you guys are hanging around the wrong folks, glass always half empty, apparently

Originally Posted by JoeBob

This guy here does a pretty decent job of being objective. I agree with most of what he says.

What we actually know

That guy has it 100% right. Manslaughter (imperfect self-defense) is the maximum possible legitimate conviction, and now that I've seen more evidence, I think that's a fading possibility, being replaced by a high probability of total acquittal.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by deflave

They do not require extraordinary circumstances. And we do not know if they met the criteria of the statute or not. Because none of us are involved in the case.

Please note that Tyrone Biggum cannot fugking read. Respond accordingly.

Quote

2010 Georgia Code
TITLE 17 - CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
CHAPTER 4 - ARREST OF PERSONS
ARTICLE 4 - ARREST BY PRIVATE PERSONS
§ 17-4-60 - Grounds for arrest
O.C.G.A. 17-4-60 (2010)
17-4-60. Grounds for arrest

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

English is my first language and it sure looks like the McMichaels met this legal hurdle. Next?

I don't even see any of that confusing Latin in there that would mess up the likes of a mall cop.

Tyrone Biggums,

Are you from the south?

Originally Posted by Tyrone

AS, until convicted in court, anyone who is cited for a legal violation is only suspected of breaking the law.

I know, this kills your dreams of legitimizing internet outrage lynchings, but that's our system. This isn't Venezuela.

If the black guy was just 1 IQ point smarter, he would have made it to court.

It's more than a little obvious you have zero experience in a court room, making arrests, or attempting to learn anything about the 4th Amendment.

In some states enterning a house without the owners permission is considered breaking and enterning… even if the door is open.

Originally Posted by deflave

It's more than a little obvious you have zero experience in a court room, making arrests, or attempting to learn anything about the 4th Amendment.

You sound more & more like you are falling on the side of "cower in your home like a woman and let criminals have the run of your neighborhood."

https://www.takimag.com/article/the-lynching-of-a-black-jogger/

excerpt:

This case is also similar to that of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown in a very significant way—just not the way they’re trying to frame it. In all three cases, these young black men were shot and killed AFTER they tried grabbing a gun out of someone’s hands. If so many of you weren’t hyper-emotional and semi-retarded, the lesson you would have learned from all this is that it’s not nearly as dangerous to jog while black as it is to attempt grabbing a loaded gun out of someone’s hands.

Pardon my whiteness, but if I saw someone holding a shotgun, my last instinct would be to feel so stupidly invincible that I’d think I could safely get away with yanking it out of his clutches.

Once again, we are bludgeoned with the demonstrable lie that it’s “open season on black men.” What we don’t hear is that, according to every available statistic, the people who are killing them are overwhelmingly other black men. Or that young black men—who comprise about 4% of the nation’s population—commit more than half of the nation’s murders. Or that these same angelic joggers and Skittles-buyers with unlimited potential and endlessly bright futures are statistically over-represented in every area of crime.

And we definitely don’t hear about all the white joggers getting killed by blacks.

Ever wonder why that is?

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Another can of worms is intervening on behalf of someone else, and I don’t mean chasing some guy down the street as happened here.

From what I gather you’re fairly safe from civil lawsuits if you use deadly force in lawful self-defense, might get less clear if you ain’t the one being attacked.

Closest I ever came to that was when I was birdwatching along a walking trail here in a park on the West Side. An attractive Hispanic woman, early twenties walks by in workout gear and she looks scared, shoots me one of those looks like she wanted to ask for help.

Parking lot ain’t far away so I follow at a discrete distance, she gets back to her car and there’s a large, dangerous-looking individual waiting, probable Ex-Con/gang member type, late twenties/early thirties. The gist of the loud conversation that followed was they know each other somehow, she was still really scared and wanted him to leave her alone, she’s in the drivers seat he is standing right there obstructing her from closing it.

Coulda been a boyfriend/pimp/debt collector/all of the above.

I commence to watch birds again at an appropriate distance, far enough away so as not to be involved, close enough to be someone who was “there”, not looking directly at them. Nobody else around just then. Me an older White guy with binocs apparently looking at trees.

After maybe five minutes of this (a loooong time for me right then) he steps back, she drives off, he gets in his own vehicle and leaves also. Huge relief on my part. I do suspect I helped her out just by being present but what I shoulda done is called 911 right off and then hung around like I did.

Otherwise it could have been me and my j-frame “diving into a deep well of schidt”.......

It coulda been a deep well even if I HAD called the Cops, maybe just a bit less deep....

Holeee Schit. You need to move to Hollyweird. You're missing your calling.

Originally Posted by Hubert

In some states enterning a house without the owners permission is considered breaking and enterning… even if the door is open.

That's correct. "Breaking" just means without permission or authorization.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by deflave

It's more than a little obvious you have zero experience in a court room, making arrests, or attempting to learn anything about the 4th Amendment.

You sound more & more like you are falling on the side of "cower in your home like a woman and let criminals have the run of your neighborhood."

We can't all be heroes like yourself.

What’s astonishing is that no matter how many dozens of times these hyped-up Race Porn stories completely fall to pieces once the facts come in, the True Believers gullibly hop right on it again with unrestrained lynch-mob glee. How many Covington Kids and Jussie Smolletts and Mike Browns and Trayvon Martins and Duke Lacrosse Teams and Tawana Brawleys and Rodney Kings will it take for journalists and jurors to do what they are supposed to do—i.e., wait until all the facts come in? Apparently they feel not a whit of shame about being found wrong again and again and again—nearly every single time, in fact.

https://www.takimag.com/article/the-lynching-of-a-black-jogger/

Originally Posted by local_dirt

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Another can of worms is intervening on behalf of someone else, and I don’t mean chasing some guy down the street as happened here.

From what I gather you’re fairly safe from civil lawsuits if you use deadly force in lawful self-defense, might get less clear if you ain’t the one being attacked.

Closest I ever came to that was when I was birdwatching along a walking trail here in a park on the West Side. An attractive Hispanic woman, early twenties walks by in workout gear and she looks scared, shoots me one of those looks like she wanted to ask for help.

Parking lot ain’t far away so I follow at a discrete distance, she gets back to her car and there’s a large, dangerous-looking individual waiting, probable Ex-Con/gang member type, late twenties/early thirties. The gist of the loud conversation that followed was they know each other somehow, she was still really scared and wanted him to leave her alone, she’s in the drivers seat he is standing right there obstructing her from closing it.

Coulda been a boyfriend/pimp/debt collector/all of the above.

I commence to watch birds again at an appropriate distance, far enough away so as not to be involved, close enough to be someone who was “there”, not looking directly at them. Nobody else around just then. Me an older White guy with binocs apparently looking at trees.

After maybe five minutes of this (a loooong time for me right then) he steps back, she drives off, he gets in his own vehicle and leaves also. Huge relief on my part. I do suspect I helped her out just by being present but what I shoulda done is called 911 right off and then hung around like I did.

Otherwise it could have been me and my j-frame “diving into a deep well of schidt”.......

It coulda been a deep well even if I HAD called the Cops, maybe just a bit less deep....

Holeee Schit. You need to move to Hollyweird. You're missing your calling.

She was probably murdered five miles down the road. LOL.

Birdwatcher standing there watching a cardinal.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

https://www.takimag.com/article/the-lynching-of-a-black-jogger/

excerpt:

This case is also similar to that of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown in a very significant way—just not the way they’re trying to frame it. In all three cases, these young black men were shot and killed AFTER they tried grabbing a gun out of someone’s hands. If so many of you weren’t hyper-emotional and semi-retarded, the lesson you would have learned from all this is that it’s not nearly as dangerous to jog while black as it is to attempt grabbing a loaded gun out of someone’s hands.

Pardon my whiteness, but if I saw someone holding a shotgun, my last instinct would be to feel so stupidly invincible that I’d think I could safely get away with yanking it out of his clutches.

Once again, we are bludgeoned with the demonstrable lie that it’s “open season on black men.” What we don’t hear is that, according to every available statistic, the people who are killing them are overwhelmingly other black men. Or that young black men—who comprise about 4% of the nation’s population—commit more than half of the nation’s murders. Or that these same angelic joggers and Skittles-buyers with unlimited potential and endlessly bright futures are statistically over-represented in every area of crime.

And we definitely don’t hear about all the white joggers getting killed by blacks.

Ever wonder why that is?

Says it all.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

What’s astonishing is that no matter how many dozens of times these hyped-up Race Porn stories completely fall to pieces once the facts come in, the True Believers gullibly hop right on it again with unrestrained lynch-mob glee. How many Covington Kids and Jussie Smolletts and Mike Browns and Trayvon Martins and Duke Lacrosse Teams and Tawana Brawleys and Rodney Kings will it take for journalists and jurors to do what they are supposed to do—i.e., wait until all the facts come in? Apparently they feel not a whit of shame about being found wrong again and again and again—nearly every single time, in fact.

https://www.takimag.com/article/the-lynching-of-a-black-jogger/

Spot on. It's perplexing.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by deflave

It's more than a little obvious you have zero experience in a court room, making arrests, or attempting to learn anything about the 4th Amendment.

You sound more & more like you are falling on the side of "cower in your home like a woman and let criminals have the run of your neighborhood."

We can't all be heroes like yourself.

I can see how it would seem heroic to someone such as yourself to actually care about what's going on in your neighborhood.

Originally Posted by deflave

Birdwatcher standing there watching a cardinal.

If you knew anything at all you’d know that cardinals are “trash birds” around here ie. so common as to be not worth a second look. Bird watchers are a shallow bunch, heck even painted buntings are trash birds for us around here.

That particular place is a good location for migrant mourning warblers tho so it was prob’ly mid May.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

https://www.takimag.com/article/the-lynching-of-a-black-jogger/

excerpt:

This case is also similar to that of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown in a very significant way—just not the way they’re trying to frame it. In all three cases, these young black men were shot and killed AFTER they tried grabbing a gun out of someone’s hands. If so many of you weren’t hyper-emotional and semi-retarded, the lesson you would have learned from all this is that it’s not nearly as dangerous to jog while black as it is to attempt grabbing a loaded gun out of someone’s hands.

Pardon my whiteness, but if I saw someone holding a shotgun, my last instinct would be to feel so stupidly invincible that I’d think I could safely get away with yanking it out of his clutches.

Once again, we are bludgeoned with the demonstrable lie that it’s “open season on black men.” What we don’t hear is that, according to every available statistic, the people who are killing them are overwhelmingly other black men. Or that young black men—who comprise about 4% of the nation’s population—commit more than half of the nation’s murders. Or that these same angelic joggers and Skittles-buyers with unlimited potential and endlessly bright futures are statistically over-represented in every area of crime.

And we definitely don’t hear about all the white joggers getting killed by blacks.

Ever wonder why that is?

Bristoe,

This is it's own separate subject.

If you want to discuss it, you should open a new thread.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by JoeBob

This guy here does a pretty decent job of being objective. I agree with most of what he says.

What we actually know

Hes wrong almost right off the bat with his definition of a dwelling....

Actually... this guy says facts so many times at the start, then says the house is a remodel.... hes incorrect and stating a lie right away.

Google earth the address and do the time line. The time line goes from 10/2017 to 1/2019.... in october of 2017 there was just grass... it goes all the way back to 1988, its just a bare lot.

The structure, which is what it is, doesnt fit the definition needed.... its a rough framed structure without a COO... no burglary.

So... that guys without facts right from the start.

I hear that officials are flying Jussie Smollet in to see if he can identify those two men as being the same guys who tried to hang him recently.

What theses white dudes did was stupid. Whether the black guy was casing the place, looking for stuff to steal (likely) or not is irrelevant. We have to live in the world that is, not the one that should be. All the legal arguments in support of their right to detain this guy don’t matter. If you still think there’s such a thing as the rule of law, fairly applied to all, go talk to General Flynn. We live in a world where cops get in trouble for getting too rough with huge black felons who are trying to kick their ass. You can get fired for refusing to be enthusiastic enough in insisting that a dude in a dress is actually a woman. You can’t use unapproved words to describe protected classes of people without suffering penalties ranging from being socially ostracized to being held in contempt of court. The laws and rules are multi-tiered. How anyone could review the events of the last decade and not figure that out is amazing to me.

These guys would have been in a world of [bleep] even if they’d have been able to detain the dude without shooting him. Who seriously thinks video of several white guys chasing a black guy down the street in a pickup, blocking him off, and then forcibly detaining him, wouldn’t have made national news and got the attention of politically ambitious prosecutors from all over? Yes, he was most likely a thief just like they thought he was but he obviously didn’t have a stack of lumber and fishing tackle on him as he was running down the street and even if he had, it’s not hard to imagine the media and Soros funded prosecutors going after these guys for assault, false imprisonment, hate crimes, profiling, or any other bullshit they could come up with. But the dude is dead and now these guys are completely and utterly screwed. Given the circumstances, that outcome was or should have been seen as possible if not likely given the way the world really is these days. To me, catching a black thief ain’t worth that kind of risk. If he’s in your house, yes. If he just raped and murdered the neighbor’s wife, yes. If you see him nosing around a construction site and figure he’s the thief that’s been stealing stuff from the neighborhood, I wouldn’t risk it.

Originally Posted by local_dirt

Schit. You need to move to Hollyweird. You're missing your calling.

Meh..... consider how much time I’ve probly spent looking at trees in parks on the West Side over the last 35 years and this was one time.

Only other public service I’ve performed in that particular park was when a young and attractive blonde was back there alone on the trails, sorority girl type, clueless as to where she was.

I politely informed her of the occasional acts of violence that had occurred over the years in the adjoining neighborhoods and that while most times that park was safe, once in a while it really wasn’t. She had no idea.

Anyways I was in a whole diff’rent risk category; older White guy with two off-leash blue heelers, thugs around here seem to assume if your dog is obedient, it’s prob’ly attack trained 🙂

Probably going to pull some DNA off of the older guy to determine if he's who showed Tawana Brawley how the bull went through the buckwheat way back when.

Also,...records are currently being checked to determine if either of the accused graduated from Covington Catholic.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

I can see how it would seem heroic to someone such as yourself to actually care about what's going on in your neighborhood.

Why would I?

They're all black.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

I can see how it would seem heroic to someone such as yourself to actually care about what's going on in your neighborhood.

Why would I?

They're all black.

Block party!

#stayback6feet

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by JoeBob

This guy here does a pretty decent job of being objective. I agree with most of what he says.

What we actually know

Hes wrong almost right off the bat with his definition of a dwelling....

Actually... this guy says facts so many times at the start, then says the house is a remodel.... hes incorrect and stating a lie right away.

Google earth the address and do the time line. The time line goes from 10/2017 to 1/2019.... in october of 2017 there was just grass... it goes all the way back to 1988, its just a bare lot.

The structure, which is what it is, doesnt fit the definition needed.... its a rough framed structure without a COO... no burglary.

So... that guys without facts right from the start.

God damn.

This guy gonna end up testifying as an expert witness.

LOL.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

I hear that officials are flying Jussie Smollet in to see if he can identify those two men as being the same guys who tried to hang him recently.

They are surely history if Jussie fingers them.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Block party!

#stayback6feet

I was a little nervous at first.

But it turns out we have lots of stuff in common.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by JoeBob

This guy here does a pretty decent job of being objective. I agree with most of what he says.

What we actually know

Hes wrong almost right off the bat with his definition of a dwelling....

Actually... this guy says facts so many times at the start, then says the house is a remodel.... hes incorrect and stating a lie right away.

Google earth the address and do the time line. The time line goes from 10/2017 to 1/2019.... in october of 2017 there was just grass... it goes all the way back to 1988, its just a bare lot.

The structure, which is what it is, doesnt fit the definition needed.... its a rough framed structure without a COO... no burglary.

So... that guys without facts right from the start.

God damn.

This guy gonna end up testifying as an expert witness.

LOL.

I just hope it pays more than this paid trolling gig I got for this website.

Im going to have to start Ubering soon.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Block party!

#stayback6feet

I was a little nervous at first.

But it turns out we have lots of stuff in common.

I like to drink and eat and talk loud.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by JoeBob

This guy here does a pretty decent job of being objective. I agree with most of what he says.

What we actually know

Hes wrong almost right off the bat with his definition of a dwelling....

Hmm...I said he is mostly right. The one area I would probably disagree with him is that it is second degree burglary. Second degree burglary only requires a building. Doesn’t matter if it is a dwelling or not.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

I like to drink and eat and talk loud.

They also have the tendency to mind their own business and not GAF about problems that aren't their own.

It's quite refreshing.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Block party!

#stayback6feet

I was a little nervous at first.

But it turns out we have lots of stuff in common.

I like to drink and eat and talk loud.

What about ass twerking?

😆

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

I like to drink and eat and talk loud.

They also have the tendency to mind their own business and not GAF about problems that aren't their own.

It's quite refreshing.

I will bring the beer.

Do they like Bud Heavy?

The minorities here like it.....me too.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

I like to drink and eat and talk loud.

They also have the tendency to mind their own business and not GAF about problems that aren't their own.

It's quite refreshing.

Until it's time to play the knock out game.

Social distancing being enforced in da hood.

https://leakreality.com/video/2178/mama-s-day-shheeeiiitt-edition

Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors

What about ass twerking?

😆

Originally Posted by billhilly

What theses white dudes did was stupid. Whether the black guy was casing the place, looking for stuff to steal (likely) or not is irrelevant. We have to live in the world that is, not the one that should be. All the legal arguments in support of their right to detain this guy don’t matter. If you still think there’s such a thing as the rule of law, fairly applied to all, go talk to General Flynn. We live in a world where cops get in trouble for getting too rough with huge black felons who are trying to kick their ass. You can get fired for refusing to be enthusiastic enough in insisting that a dude in a dress is actually a woman. You can’t use unapproved words to describe protected classes of people without suffering penalties ranging from being socially ostracized to being held in contempt of court. The laws and rules are multi-tiered. How anyone could review the events of the last decade and not figure that out is amazing to me.

These guys would have been in a world of [bleep] even if they’d have been able to detain the dude without shooting him. Who seriously thinks video of several white guys chasing a black guy down the street in a pickup, blocking him off, and then forcibly detaining him, wouldn’t have made national news and got the attention of politically ambitious prosecutors from all over? Yes, he was most likely a thief just like they thought he was but he obviously didn’t have a stack of lumber and fishing tackle on him as he was running down the street and even if he had, it’s not hard to imagine the media and Soros funded prosecutors going after these guys for assault, false imprisonment, hate crimes, profiling, or any other bullshit they could come up with. But the dude is dead and now these guys are completely and utterly screwed. Given the circumstances, that outcome was or should have been seen as possible if not likely given the way the world really is these days. To me, catching a black thief ain’t worth that kind of risk. If he’s in your house, yes. If he just raped and murdered the neighbor’s wife, yes. If you see him nosing around a construction site and figure he’s the thief that’s been stealing stuff from the neighborhood, I wouldn’t risk it.

This^^^
We must bow to the throne of PC and accept with humility and resignation the curse we have been blessed with and not question why we must accept a preponderance of black on white crime and instead knuckle under as Tar, Paul and AS do. No explanation for the criminality or mental perverted deviancy is to be made or expected. Social acceptance requires the quiet, intellectual understanding that it's just the way schiett is.

Its apparent AS, Tar nor Paul have any rebuttal at all, other than the refuge of the left which is to cry "racist", which in itself is racist.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Until it's time to play the knock out game.

We only do that to outsiders.

Don't tell Jim.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Social distancing being enforced in da hood.

https://leakreality.com/video/2178/mama-s-day-shheeeiiitt-edition

You got something against Texans?

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

I can see how it would seem heroic to someone such as yourself to actually care about what's going on in your neighborhood.

Why would I?

They're all black.

I figured you must be part of the Lawn Police by now, packing a ruler.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

I figured you must be part of the Lawn Police by now, packing a ruler.

You've never been right about anything else.

No reason to start now.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors

What about ass twerking?

😆

I thought the pink shirt was kinda hot till I realized she was grabbing her crank.

Well, Ms Harris COULD get the nomination.

So according to many on here, 4th amendment protections only count when you're getting harassed by Barney Fife.

They do not apply to non-LE when they want to play "stop the black guy in the neighborhood"

Originally Posted by Bristoe

What’s astonishing is that no matter how many dozens of times these hyped-up Race Porn stories completely fall to pieces once the facts come in, the True Believers gullibly hop right on it again with unrestrained lynch-mob glee. How many Covington Kids and Jussie Smolletts and Mike Browns and Trayvon Martins and Duke Lacrosse Teams and Tawana Brawleys and Rodney Kings will it take for journalists and jurors to do what they are supposed to do—i.e., wait until all the facts come in? Apparently they feel not a whit of shame about being found wrong again and again and again—nearly every single time, in fact.

https://www.takimag.com/article/the-lynching-of-a-black-jogger/

Shame? Even after it’s been proven bullschit, the same they’ll refer back to those same stories as an example of “the lynch-mob mentality“. Facts don’t mean schit to these people. Throw all the crime statistics and numbers you want. They’ll just look at you and continue on with the victimization and Black Lives Matter crap. No responsibility taken and that’s why it keeps happening.

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

If you thought some guy matched the description of a rapist, would you stop them and suggest they wait for police?

What level of proof would you say is required to detain someone?
What level of force is appropriate to keep them detained if they decide to leave?

If this was answered I missed it.

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

So according to many on here, 4th amendment protections only count when you're getting harassed by Barney Fife.

They do not apply to non-LE when they want to play "stop the black guy in the neighborhood"

It's been so enlightening.

LOL.

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

If you thought some guy matched the description of a rapist, would you stop them and suggest they wait for police?

What level of proof would you say is required to detain someone?
What level of force is appropriate to keep them detained if they decide to leave?

If this was answered I missed it.

You’re expecting an answer from people that think a few seconds of video is enough to convict or exonerate somebody without an investigation.

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

If you thought some guy matched the description of a rapist, would you stop them and suggest they wait for police?

What level of proof would you say is required to detain someone?
What level of force is appropriate to keep them detained if they decide to leave?

If this was answered I missed it.

You’re expecting an answer from people that think a few seconds of video is enough to convict or exonerate somebody.

Unfortunately I do tilt at windmills sometimes.

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Bristoe

What’s astonishing is that no matter how many dozens of times these hyped-up Race Porn stories completely fall to pieces once the facts come in, the True Believers gullibly hop right on it again with unrestrained lynch-mob glee. How many Covington Kids and Jussie Smolletts and Mike Browns and Trayvon Martins and Duke Lacrosse Teams and Tawana Brawleys and Rodney Kings will it take for journalists and jurors to do what they are supposed to do—i.e., wait until all the facts come in? Apparently they feel not a whit of shame about being found wrong again and again and again—nearly every single time, in fact.

https://www.takimag.com/article/the-lynching-of-a-black-jogger/

Shame? Even after it’s been proven bullschit, the same they’ll refer back to those same stories as an example of “the lynch-mob mentality“. Facts don’t mean schit to these people. Throw all the crime statistics and numbers you want. They’ll just look at you and continue on with the victimization and Black Lives Matter crap. No responsibility taken and that’s why it keeps happening.

Yep, we have a plethora of Hillary enablers. They sleep well at night with the satisfaction they are saving criminals who will become famous lowyers.

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

If you thought some guy matched the description of a rapist, would you stop them and suggest they wait for police?

What level of proof would you say is required to detain someone?
What level of force is appropriate to keep them detained if they decide to leave?

If this was answered I missed it.

Had not heard that he was shot 3 times until now!

https://www.wsbtv.com/video/?id=4902429

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

If you thought some guy matched the description of a rapist, would you stop them and suggest they wait for police?

What level of proof would you say is required to detain someone?
What level of force is appropriate to keep them detained if they decide to leave?

If this was answered I missed it.

You’re expecting an answer from people that think a few seconds of video is enough to convict or exonerate somebody without an investigation.

A few seconds of video is all it is going to take to convict these guys.

Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Block party!

#stayback6feet

I was a little nervous at first.

But it turns out we have lots of stuff in common.

I like to drink and eat and talk loud.

What about ass twerking?

😆

One of my many faults........I dont have a twerkable ass.

Its a cross....

Originally Posted by billhilly

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

If you thought some guy matched the description of a rapist, would you stop them and suggest they wait for police?

What level of proof would you say is required to detain someone?
What level of force is appropriate to keep them detained if they decide to leave?

If this was answered I missed it.

You’re expecting an answer from people that think a few seconds of video is enough to convict or exonerate somebody without an investigation.

A few seconds of video is all it is going to take to convict these guys.

Yeah. Without an investigation, or trial, or jury, or judge. No need to bother with any other information. They’re just going to project the video on a big screen like a drive in, then run those boys to the nearest tall tree right?

Originally Posted by ready_on_the_right

Had not heard that he was shot 3 times until now!

https://www.wsbtv.com/video/?id=4902429

Was it a semi-auto shotgun?

I don't know

Originally Posted by billhilly

A few seconds of video is all it is going to take to convict these guys.

That's what they said about the Rodney King footage.

Originally Posted by billhilly

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

If you thought some guy matched the description of a rapist, would you stop them and suggest they wait for police?

What level of proof would you say is required to detain someone?
What level of force is appropriate to keep them detained if they decide to leave?

If this was answered I missed it.

You’re expecting an answer from people that think a few seconds of video is enough to convict or exonerate somebody without an investigation.

A few seconds of video is all it is going to take to convict these guys.

You watched it and decided they’re guilty as sin. Others watched it and decided they were innocent as lambs. Some people think the dead guy attacked them. Some people think he was just trying defend himself.

Here’s a clue to what I’m trying to tell you. Different people can see the same exact thing and interpret it in absolutely opposite ways. That’s why you need more information to determine exactly what it is that happened. Snap judgements are very seldom correct.

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

If you thought some guy matched the description of a rapist, would you stop them and suggest they wait for police?

What level of proof would you say is required to detain someone?
What level of force is appropriate to keep them detained if they decide to leave?

If this was answered I missed it.

I've come in really late and this may well have been posted already but the statutory answer to that question would be

GA 17-4-60
A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by billhilly

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

If you thought some guy matched the description of a rapist, would you stop them and suggest they wait for police?

What level of proof would you say is required to detain someone?
What level of force is appropriate to keep them detained if they decide to leave?

If this was answered I missed it.

You’re expecting an answer from people that think a few seconds of video is enough to convict or exonerate somebody without an investigation.

A few seconds of video is all it is going to take to convict these guys.

You watched it and decided they’re guilty as sin. Others watched it and decided they were innocent as lambs. Some people think the dead guy attacked them. Some people think he was just trying defend himself.

Here’s a clue to what I’m trying to tell you. Different people can see the same exact thing and interpret it in absolutely opposite ways. That’s why you need more information to determine exactly what it is that happened. Snap judgements are very seldom correct.

GFY. I didn’t conclude anything other than they would be crucified by the media and prosecutors because that’s the world we live in today. Hell. The feds are already looking into adding “hate crimes” to the pile on. You obviously haven’t read a damned thing I’ve written on this thread or if you did, you’re as dumb as a box of rocks. You’re trying to give me a clue about different people having different perspectives when my entire point is an indictment of current perspective and snap judgments. Seriously?
Yes, they’ll have and investigation run by an outraged and politically motivated prosecutor who leaks like a sieve to an equally outraged media. Then they’ll have a trial with an elected judge, outraged prosecutor, and a jury that’s been hearing from the media 24/7 about how evil these racist guys are. My point is that this was an entirely predictable outcome from the point they decided to chase the black dude down.

Has this thread solved the jogger problem yet?

I don’t know for certain if they are guilty or innocent. But I’m pretty satisfied that:

1) Arbery was no innocent jogger;

2) That the McMillans did not go after the guy JUST because he was black; and

3) The McMillans did not set out to shoot the guy.

All who believe anything like those assertions have fallen for the same old race baiting narrative that always gets thrown out.

Everything else will get decided by a jury. I personally believe that there are enough facts to support the thoughts set out by the second D.A. to recuse himself in his letter to the third. It isn’t a slam dunk either way but the third DA had intended to send it to a grand jury and let them decide whether to move forward or not. That is entirely consistent with why I see in this case. But I really deplore the way it has been handled since the video was released.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Has this thread solved the jogger problem yet?

Joggers gonna jog. If nothing else that is the constant...

Originally Posted by billhilly

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by billhilly

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

If you thought some guy matched the description of a rapist, would you stop them and suggest they wait for police?

What level of proof would you say is required to detain someone?
What level of force is appropriate to keep them detained if they decide to leave?

If this was answered I missed it.

You’re expecting an answer from people that think a few seconds of video is enough to convict or exonerate somebody without an investigation.

A few seconds of video is all it is going to take to convict these guys.

You watched it and decided they’re guilty as sin. Others watched it and decided they were innocent as lambs. Some people think the dead guy attacked them. Some people think he was just trying defend himself.

Here’s a clue to what I’m trying to tell you. Different people can see the same exact thing and interpret it in absolutely opposite ways. That’s why you need more information to determine exactly what it is that happened. Snap judgements are very seldom correct.

GFY. I didn’t conclude anything other than they would be crucified by the media and prosecutors because that’s the world we live in today. Hell. The feds are already looking into adding “hate crimes” to the pile on. You obviously haven’t read a damned thing I’ve written on this thread or if you did, you’re as dumb as a box of rocks. You’re trying to give me a clue about different people having different perspectives when my entire point is an indictment of current perspective and snap judgments. Seriously?
Yes, they’ll have and investigation run by an outraged and politically motivated prosecutor who leaks like a sieve to an equally outraged media. Then they’ll have a trial with an elected judge, outraged prosecutor, and a jury that’s been hearing from the media 24/7 about how evil these racist guys are. My point is that this was an entirely predictable outcome from the point they decided to chase the black dude down.

Numb nuts. This thread is 59 pages long and going. Do you really think you’re so important that anything you said stuck in mind as being relevant? You posted a stupid, simplistic one line answer to a complex question posted by Billy Goat. I answered it. So you GFY...

LMFAO...

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by billhilly

A few seconds of video is all it is going to take to convict these guys.

That's what they said about the Rodney King footage.

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by billhilly

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by billhilly

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

If you thought some guy matched the description of a rapist, would you stop them and suggest they wait for police?

What level of proof would you say is required to detain someone?
What level of force is appropriate to keep them detained if they decide to leave?

If this was answered I missed it.

You’re expecting an answer from people that think a few seconds of video is enough to convict or exonerate somebody without an investigation.

A few seconds of video is all it is going to take to convict these guys.

You watched it and decided they’re guilty as sin. Others watched it and decided they were innocent as lambs. Some people think the dead guy attacked them. Some people think he was just trying defend himself.

Here’s a clue to what I’m trying to tell you. Different people can see the same exact thing and interpret it in absolutely opposite ways. That’s why you need more information to determine exactly what it is that happened. Snap judgements are very seldom correct.

GFY. I didn’t conclude anything other than they would be crucified by the media and prosecutors because that’s the world we live in today. Hell. The feds are already looking into adding “hate crimes” to the pile on. You obviously haven’t read a damned thing I’ve written on this thread or if you did, you’re as dumb as a box of rocks. You’re trying to give me a clue about different people having different perspectives when my entire point is an indictment of current perspective and snap judgments. Seriously?
Yes, they’ll have and investigation run by an outraged and politically motivated prosecutor who leaks like a sieve to an equally outraged media. Then they’ll have a trial with an elected judge, outraged prosecutor, and a jury that’s been hearing from the media 24/7 about how evil these racist guys are. My point is that this was an entirely predictable outcome from the point they decided to chase the black dude down.

Numb nuts. This thread is 59 pages long and going. Do you really think you’re so important that anything you said stuck in mind as being relevant? You posted a stupid, simplistic one line answer to a complex question posted by Billy Goat. I answered it. So you GFY...

LMFAO...

Oh, I see. You made a “snap judgement” based on a one line statement. I’ve heard somewhere that snap judgements can be problematic.

It would appear that we agree on more than we don’t here though. Joggers are indeed gonna jog. My one line statement was a wry observation of the fact that in today’s climate, that video is enough to well and truly screw those guys. I wish that wasn’t the case but I wish I was younger, richer, and better looking too.

Looks like white on black vigilantisms are catching on again.
https://www.greensboro.com/news/sta...a82099e-c71f-5dbb-9e7c-165576fd9496.html

It's a start.

My take is the guy was self important due to his job with the d.a. office and decided he didn't need to call the police. Guess what. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Even if the kid was guilty we will never know because the shooter was such an [bleep]

Has anybody won here yet?

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Has anybody won here yet?

I have! By a) mostly ignoring everything in this thread, and b) using it as a reminder to brush up on Colorado citizen's arrest laws.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Has anybody won here yet?

Originally Posted by mjbgalt

My take is the guy was self important due to his job with the d.a. office and decided he didn't need to call the police. Guess what. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Even if thee kid was guilty we will never know because the shooter was such an [bleep]

The police were called immediately.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Has anybody won here yet?

Its still anybody's fight.

[Linked Image from media.giphy.com]

You can take the jogger out of the jungle but you can’t take the jungle out of the jogger.

Originally Posted by billhilly

I wish that wasn’t the case but I wish I was younger, richer, and better looking too.

Well we can definitely agree on that. A little while ago my wife started harping on me yet again to shave my beard off. I asked her why in the hell would she want to see MORE of my face?

Originally Posted by Beoceorl

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Has anybody won here yet?

Its still anybody's fight.

[Linked Image from media.giphy.com]

Do we know for sure this place isn’t actually run by Jerry Springer?

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a black member of this group. Some of you are goddam embarrassment to human kind. This truly pains me. I get a bit defensive when left leaning people make the snarky gun owner=racist comments, but then every day this place reminds me that they have a point. I'd love to see you cowards say the kind of crap that you say in front of black people. You wouldn't do it because you are cowards. The world will be a better place when your are rotting in hell.

Very well said. We have one black member here that I am aware of. A really good guy. Retired military commissioned officer. He keeps a low profile because this place is so hostile to blacks. This forum is dominated by racists whose race-based identity politics are identical to those of the hard left. Let me repeat that: guys like Bristoe, Hawkeye (and many others here) share the exact same premise as black identitarians of the hard, hard left. They are every bit as racist as the black racists they (very hypocritically) despise. It is a very poor reflection on Rick Bin that he indulges the racism so prevalent here in the name of the unimitigated pursuit of the almighty dollar. He should be ashamed of himself.

About time somebody said this. You also might wonder why there are almost no females on here, what with the continued sexual innuendos by the same group of low lifes. Or why they let card carrying Nazis like The Real Hawkeye post at all. Or why, more and more, so many posts are complete drivel. All Rick Bin seems to care about is number of clicks. The advertisders are dumb enough to pay him so many shekels per click so who cares what gets clicked?

Wow.

You guys should start your own happy place forum.

Full of diversity, inclusiveness, and sparkling pink rainbows that shoot out unicorn farts.

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by Beoceorl

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Has anybody won here yet?

Its still anybody's fight.

[Linked Image from media.giphy.com]

Do we know for sure this place isn’t actually run by Jerry Springer?

Wow! I think you're on to something there. That would explain so much!!!

Originally Posted by add

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to be a black member of this group. Some of you are goddam embarrassment to human kind. This truly pains me. I get a bit defensive when left leaning people make the snarky gun owner=racist comments, but then every day this place reminds me that they have a point. I'd love to see you cowards say the kind of crap that you say in front of black people. You wouldn't do it because you are cowards. The world will be a better place when your are rotting in hell.

Very well said. We have one black member here that I am aware of. A really good guy. Retired military commissioned officer. He keeps a low profile because this place is so hostile to blacks. This forum is dominated by racists whose race-based identity politics are identical to those of the hard left. Let me repeat that: guys like Bristoe, Hawkeye (and many others here) share the exact same premise as black identitarians of the hard, hard left. They are every bit as racist as the black racists they (very hypocritically) despise. It is a very poor reflection on Rick Bin that he indulges the racism so prevalent here in the name of the unimitigated pursuit of the almighty dollar. He should be ashamed of himself.

About time somebody said this. You also might wonder why there are almost no females on here, what with the continued sexual innuendos by the same group of low lifes. Or why they let card carrying Nazis like The Real Hawkeye post at all. Or why, more and more, so many posts are complete drivel. All Rick Bin seems to care about is number of clicks. The advertisders are dumb enough to pay him so many shekels per click so who cares what gets clicked?

Wow.

You guys should start your own happy place forum.

Full of diversity, inclusiveness, and sparkling pink rainbows that shoot out unicorn farts.

I don't generally treat snarky crap seriously, but you do raise an important point. From purely strategic political standpoint we'd (us gun owners) would do ourselves a favor by being more diverse. Without question we'd be better off if the racist bile would cease. You can take the white trash out of the trailerhood, but it'll still be trash.

It would appear that we are well populated by neighborhood watch commandos that are criminal attorneys who believe anyone who doesn't share their phobic terror of joggers is a PC liberal. Lots of fear out there, many probably have good reason to embrace their ignorance and wave it like the stars and bars.

#damnyankeejoggerlovers

mike r

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

we'd (us gun owners) would do ourselves a favor by being more diverse.

No we wouldn’t.

Do you think the crime statistics used to justify gun control would be improved by more diversity?

Ok, that was chuckle-worthy.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

I hear that officials are flying Jussie Smollet in to see if he can identify those two men as being the same guys who tried to hang him recently.

It was McMichaels, but your post reminded me of McMillans wife. She was hot back then, through a teenagers eyes.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

I don’t know for certain if they are guilty or innocent. But I’m pretty satisfied that:

1) Arbery was no innocent jogger;

2) That the McMillans did not go after the guy JUST because he was black; and

3) The McMillans did not set out to shoot the guy.

All who believe anything like those assertions have fallen for the same old race baiting narrative that always gets thrown out.

Everything else will get decided by a jury. I personally believe that there are enough facts to support the thoughts set out by the second D.A. to recuse himself in his letter to the third. It isn’t a slam dunk either way but the third DA had intended to send it to a grand jury and let them decide whether to move forward or not. That is entirely consistent with why I see in this case. But I really deplore the way it has been handled since the video was released.

I am going to play defense attorney devils-advocate.....as a 25 year old, where did the victim work these past few years?

As a devils-advocate defense lawyer, just wanted to know where the victim has been living since he graduated from high school.

As a devils-advocate lowyer, has the victim ever been caught for theft in the past?

As a pretend defense lowyer, has the victim ever been convicted of a crime involving a firearm?

Has the victim ever sold stolen goods in the past?

Why did the victim jog so far away from home?

The appointment of a black Female prosecutor can be viewed in 2 different ways.

She won’t be as lenient(the media’s take).....or

Someone to blame for the acquittal, with minimum burning, hopefully.

Just wanted to ask you Mom, did Ahmaud frequently jog in the middle of the night?

MW, happy bithday.

9 consecutive posts to enlighten us, would it be too PC to ask about your legal training and experience?

thanks in advance.

mike r

Well, thank you for that, LV. 60 years, just hit middle age.

Actually, my legal experience is limited to a few business law classes. Continual self improvement and all that.

My second son is currently a full blown tax and estate lawyer. Liberty University, Lynchburg. Passed both Iowa and Illinois bars, first try. He does court appointed cases, on the side.

That son actually came in handy 7 out of 8 years of the Obama administration, when Obama and the Lerner IRS challenged my tax returns. Not one red cent more paid. I am at the point of happily paying $10 to prevent paying the IRS another dollar.

Many have said I am bitter.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

MW, happy bithday.

9 consecutive posts to enlighten us, would it be too PC to ask about your legal training and experience?

thanks in advance.

mike r

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

I am going to play defense attorney devils-advocate.....as a 25 year old, where did the victim work these past few years?

Irrelevant

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

As a devils-advocate defense lawyer, just wanted to know where the victim has been living since he graduated from high school.

Irrelevant---other than where living at time of incident.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

As a devils-advocate lowyer, has the victim ever been caught for theft in the past?

Irrelevant---seeks evidence of character to prove conduct in conformity therewith.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

As a pretend defense lowyer, has the victim ever been convicted of a crime involving a firearm?

Irrelevant since he had no firearm with him this time, unless dumb and dumber knew who he was and knew of a prior gun incident.

Please tell the jury that.

Good luck.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

At one point, before the cameras were installed, $2,500 worth of fishing tackle was stolen, obviously it was probably him.

Best post of the thread, "obviously it was probably him".

LOL--

"obviously--probably"

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Why did the victim jog so far away from home?

A relevant question. Was he exercising or casing?

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Has the victim ever sold stolen goods in the past?

Irrelevant. Seeks character evidence to prove conduct in conformity

I thought it was established hillbilly old man recognized him in a previous surveillance video.

By all means, correct me if mistaken.

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

As a pretend defense lowyer, has the victim ever been convicted of a crime involving a firearm?

Irrelevant since he had no firearm with him this time, unless dumb and dumber knew who he was and knew of a prior gun incident.

What if it was proven he sold fishing tackle?

Where can you go these days, without video surveillance?

What would English say.....under oath?

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Has the victim ever sold stolen goods in the past?

Irrelevant. Seeks character evidence to prove conduct in conformity

Now you’re getting it.

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

As a devils-advocate defense lawyer, just wanted to know where the victim has been living since he graduated from high school.

Irrelevant---other than where living at time of incident.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Ok, that was chuckle-worthy.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

I hear that officials are flying Jussie Smollet in to see if he can identify those two men as being the same guys who tried to hang him recently.

It'd be funny if he called him Juicy Smooyay. Otherwise, no.

Do you think the thief was a fisherman?

A case with this national attention.....think any stolen stuff may surface?

Originally Posted by callnum

Originally Posted by JoeBob

At one point, before the cameras were installed, $2,500 worth of fishing tackle was stolen, obviously it was probably him.

Best post of the thread, "obviously it was probably him".

LOL--

"obviously--probably"

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Do you think the thief was a fisherman?

A case with this national attention.....think any stolen stuff may surface?

Originally Posted by callnum

Originally Posted by JoeBob

At one point, before the cameras were installed, $2,500 worth of fishing tackle was stolen, obviously it was probably him.

Best post of the thread, "obviously it was probably him".

LOL--

"obviously--probably"

You wiffed it.

We haven’t even flattened the curve yet.

Originally Posted by callnum

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Do you think the thief was a fisherman?

A case with this national attention.....think any stolen stuff may surface?

Originally Posted by callnum

Originally Posted by JoeBob

At one point, before the cameras were installed, $2,500 worth of fishing tackle was stolen, obviously it was probably him.

Best post of the thread, "obviously it was probably him".

LOL--

"obviously--probably"

You wiffed it.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Block party!

#stayback6feet

I was a little nervous at first.

But it turns out we have lots of stuff in common.

I like to drink and eat and talk loud.

What about ass twerking?

😆

One of my many faults........I dont have a twerkable ass.

Its a cross....

Quote

A suspect in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery was involved in a previous investigation of him, recused prosecutor says.

Link

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

As a pretend defense lowyer, has the victim ever been convicted of a crime involving a firearm?

Irrelevant since he had no firearm with him this time, unless dumb and dumber knew who he was and knew of a prior gun incident.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Quote

A suspect in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery was involved in a previous investigation of him, recused prosecutor says.

Link

Originally Posted by Tarquin

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

As a pretend defense lowyer, has the victim ever been convicted of a crime involving a firearm?

Irrelevant since he had no firearm with him this time, unless dumb and dumber knew who he was and knew of a prior gun incident.

I brought that up a long time ago. There are people here who would hang these guys no matter what evidence you put in front them. There are people here who would exonerate them no matter what evidence you put in front of them.

That’s the problem with jury’s. That’s why Casey Anthony and OJ walked....

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Well, thank you for that, LV. 60 years, just hit middle age.

Actually, my legal experience is limited to a few business law classes. Continual self improvement and all that.

My second son is currently a full blown tax and estate lawyer. Liberty University, Lynchburg. Passed both Iowa and Illinois bars, first try. He does court appointed cases, on the side.

That son actually came in handy 7 out of 8 years of the Obama administration, when Obama and the Lerner IRS challenged my tax returns. Not one red cent more paid. I am at the point of happily paying $10 to prevent paying the IRS another dollar.

Many have said I am bitter.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

MW, happy bithday.

9 consecutive posts to enlighten us, would it be too PC to ask about your legal training and experience?

thanks in advance.

mike r

You forgot to ask what he had for breakfast on his birthday counselor.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

we'd (us gun owners) would do ourselves a favor by being more diverse.

No we wouldn’t.

Do you think the crime statistics used to justify gun control would be improved by more diversity?

I think there's no fairer target in today's society than boomer white men. If we were known as a gender, ethnicity, race and socioeconomically diverse group, I think that makes us harder to go after.

Had 3 microwaved eggs mixed with some cheddar cheese.

We live rather modestly around here. No doors locked.

Just roll the dice.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Well, thank you for that, LV. 60 years, just hit middle age.

Actually, my legal experience is limited to a few business law classes. Continual self improvement and all that.

My second son is currently a full blown tax and estate lawyer. Liberty University, Lynchburg. Passed both Iowa and Illinois bars, first try. He does court appointed cases, on the side.

That son actually came in handy 7 out of 8 years of the Obama administration, when Obama and the Lerner IRS challenged my tax returns. Not one red cent more paid. I am at the point of happily paying $10 to prevent paying the IRS another dollar.

Many have said I am bitter.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

MW, happy bithday.

9 consecutive posts to enlighten us, would it be too PC to ask about your legal training and experience?

thanks in advance.

mike r

You forgot to ask what he had for breakfast on his birthday counselor.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

If we were known as a gender, ethnicity, race and socioeconomically diverse group, I think that makes us harder to go after.

If that were true the early efforts at gun control wouldn’t have targeted “Saturday night specials”, and the US cities with the strictest measures wouldn’t be predominantly black.

Washington DC is about half black. Chicago proper is 40%. NYC is one of the most racially diverse cities in the country. Nearly all of the people in them have effectively been disarmed, apart from criminals.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

If we were known as a gender, ethnicity, race and socioeconomically diverse group, I think that makes us harder to go after.

If that were true the early efforts at gun control wouldn’t have targeted “Saturday night specials”, and the US cities with the strictest measures wouldn’t be predominantly black.

Washington DC is about half black. Chicago proper is 40%. NYC is one of the most racially diverse cities in the country. Nearly all of the people in them have effectively been disarmed, apart from criminals.

Gun control is a proxy war on middle class / middle American white folks (Badwhites), white _men_, specifically.

The Goodwhite ruling class understands that blacks are not a threat to the ruling class, whereas white folks have been known to rebel often (and often successfully) in the past. Blacks are a threat to those who live nearby who do not have the active protection of the ruling class enforcers.

Let's see what a pro-gun attorney thinks about it:

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Just wanted to ask you Mom, did Ahmaud frequently jog in the middle of the night?

Your missing the obvious here.... the victim isnt on trial...

AS, it's no great surprise that Colion Noir would come down on that side of it. He identifies with a black man, imagining him as himself taking a jog, and some rednecks approach him with firearms for merely "jogging while black." It's the rare black man who can see a thing like this objectively due to how they've been indoctrinated.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Let's see what a pro-gun attorney thinks about it:

They wont believe that video for two reasons... the obvious... and he says basically what we have been saying.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

AS, it's no great surprise that Colion Noir would come down on that side of it. He identifies with a black man, and imagines that as himself taking a jog, and some rednecks approach him with firearms for merely "jogging while black." It's the rare black man who can see a thing like this objectively because of how they've been indoctrinated.

TRH,

I see you ignored that he's an actual attorney, and walked through the necessary elements before a crime could be proven. Do you think you could put down your roll of tinfoil and your copy of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion long enough to respond to what he actually said vs. condemning him for the color of his skin?

“Mr. English, is it your testimony today that nothing was ever taken from your property under construction?”

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Let's see what a pro-gun attorney thinks about it:

They wont believe that video for two reasons... the obvious... and he says basically what we have been saying.

Well, tell us again how Zero is our hero.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Just wanted to ask you Mom, did Ahmaud frequently jog in the middle of the night?

Your missing the obvious here.... the victim isnt on trial...

I think you're meaning you're.

But still not enough information to make an informed decision yet.

Wonder what will pop up next.

Stolen goods, job records, residence history, mental records, crime records, probation violations, death threats.

Choir boy stuff.

Originally Posted by plainsman456

But still not enough information to make an informed decision yet.

Wonder what will pop up next.

"I hit the refresh button again and it was like an anvil dropped on my chest when I finally saw the blue hyper link appear signifying the results were up. We decided to pray before checking the results. Finally, I clicked the link and started scrolling. If I saw my name, I passed, if I didn’t I failed. Watching the scroll bar bottom out on the screen nearly crushed me. I looked up at my mom and shook my head and muttered, “and I didn’t pass”. It was my third time taking the bar exam and I had failed again. I jumped up and headed upstairs. My mom shouted, “Where are you going?” I yelled back, “To Study! The next exam is in 3 months I gotta get going early”. I grabbed my bag of bar bri prep books and came down stairs when my mom grabbed me and asked, “Son, are you okay”? I looked at her angrily and then it happened…I completely broke down."

https://www.mrcolionnoir.com/about/

If Noir's his real name, he ain't a lawyer in Texas, cordin to the Texas bar.

https://www.texasbar.com/AM/Templat...e/MemberDirectory/Result_form_client.cfm

You hafta enter his name.

My cousin Vinny knows more bout the law than this guy.

Originally Posted by Fubarski

"I hit the refresh button again and it was like an anvil dropped on my chest when I finally saw the blue hyper link appear signifying the results were up. We decided to pray before checking the results. Finally, I clicked the link and started scrolling. If I saw my name, I passed, if I didn’t I failed. Watching the scroll bar bottom out on the screen nearly crushed me. I looked up at my mom and shook my head and muttered, “and I didn’t pass”. It was my third time taking the bar exam and I had failed again. I jumped up and headed upstairs. My mom shouted, “Where are you going?” I yelled back, “To Study! The next exam is in 3 months I gotta get going early”. I grabbed my bag of bar bri prep books and came down stairs when my mom grabbed me and asked, “Son, are you okay”? I looked at her angrily and then it happened…I completely broke down."

https://www.mrcolionnoir.com/about/

If Noir's his real name, he ain't a lawyer in Texas, cordin to the Texas bar.

https://www.texasbar.com/AM/Templat...e/MemberDirectory/Result_form_client.cfm

You hafta enter his name.

My cousin Vinny knows more bout the law than this guy.

Once again, your stupidity is on display for all to see.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by Fubarski

"I hit the refresh button again and it was like an anvil dropped on my chest when I finally saw the blue hyper link appear signifying the results were up. We decided to pray before checking the results. Finally, I clicked the link and started scrolling. If I saw my name, I passed, if I didn’t I failed. Watching the scroll bar bottom out on the screen nearly crushed me. I looked up at my mom and shook my head and muttered, “and I didn’t pass”. It was my third time taking the bar exam and I had failed again. I jumped up and headed upstairs. My mom shouted, “Where are you going?” I yelled back, “To Study! The next exam is in 3 months I gotta get going early”. I grabbed my bag of bar bri prep books and came down stairs when my mom grabbed me and asked, “Son, are you okay”? I looked at her angrily and then it happened…I completely broke down."

https://www.mrcolionnoir.com/about/

If Noir's his real name, he ain't a lawyer in Texas, cordin to the Texas bar.

https://www.texasbar.com/AM/Templat...e/MemberDirectory/Result_form_client.cfm

You hafta enter his name.

My cousin Vinny knows more bout the law than this guy.

Once again, your stupidity is on display for all to see.

It's on his own website.

Maybe a genius like you should patiently explain ta him how you know more about his life, than he does.

Oh, he can do it too. He just cant explain the preponderance of Bleck on White crime nor the inhuman debauchery that accompanies many blacks in their horrendously animalistic crimes.

We are supposed to accept that as a given, rather than asking for a humanitarian explanation, probably because there is no humanitarian explanation.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Oh, he can do it too. He just cant explain the preponderance of Bleck on White crime nor the inhuman debauchery that accompanies many blacks in their horrendously animalistic crimes.

We are supposed to accept that as a given, rather than asking for a humanitarian explanation, probably because there is no humanitarian explanation.

I think you're meaning Black.

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by Fubarski

"I hit the refresh button again and it was like an anvil dropped on my chest when I finally saw the blue hyper link appear signifying the results were up. We decided to pray before checking the results. Finally, I clicked the link and started scrolling. If I saw my name, I passed, if I didn’t I failed. Watching the scroll bar bottom out on the screen nearly crushed me. I looked up at my mom and shook my head and muttered, “and I didn’t pass”. It was my third time taking the bar exam and I had failed again. I jumped up and headed upstairs. My mom shouted, “Where are you going?” I yelled back, “To Study! The next exam is in 3 months I gotta get going early”. I grabbed my bag of bar bri prep books and came down stairs when my mom grabbed me and asked, “Son, are you okay”? I looked at her angrily and then it happened…I completely broke down."

https://www.mrcolionnoir.com/about/

If Noir's his real name, he ain't a lawyer in Texas, cordin to the Texas bar.

https://www.texasbar.com/AM/Templat...e/MemberDirectory/Result_form_client.cfm

You hafta enter his name.

My cousin Vinny knows more bout the law than this guy.

Once again, your stupidity is on display for all to see.

It's on his own website.

Maybe a genius like you should patiently explain ta him how you know more about his life, than he does.

Once again, you are so dense that you don't even understand to what I referring.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

AS, it's no great surprise that Colion Noir would come down on that side of it. He identifies with a black man, and imagines that as himself taking a jog, and some rednecks approach him with firearms for merely "jogging while black." It's the rare black man who can see a thing like this objectively because of how they've been indoctrinated.

TRH,

I see you ignored that he's an actual attorney, and walked through the necessary elements before a crime could be proven. Do you think you could put down your roll of tinfoil and your copy of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion long enough to respond to what he actually said vs. condemning him for the color of his skin?

AS, have I been rude to you during our discussion?

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Oh, he can do it too. He just cant explain the preponderance of Bleck on White crime nor the inhuman debauchery that accompanies many blacks in their horrendously animalistic crimes.

We are supposed to accept that as a given, rather than asking for a humanitarian explanation, probably because there is no humanitarian explanation.

Please expound upon how this affects the evidence as laid out in the video above.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by Fubarski

"I hit the refresh button again and it was like an anvil dropped on my chest when I finally saw the blue hyper link appear signifying the results were up. We decided to pray before checking the results. Finally, I clicked the link and started scrolling. If I saw my name, I passed, if I didn’t I failed. Watching the scroll bar bottom out on the screen nearly crushed me. I looked up at my mom and shook my head and muttered, “and I didn’t pass”. It was my third time taking the bar exam and I had failed again. I jumped up and headed upstairs. My mom shouted, “Where are you going?” I yelled back, “To Study! The next exam is in 3 months I gotta get going early”. I grabbed my bag of bar bri prep books and came down stairs when my mom grabbed me and asked, “Son, are you okay”? I looked at her angrily and then it happened…I completely broke down."

https://www.mrcolionnoir.com/about/

If Noir's his real name, he ain't a lawyer in Texas, cordin to the Texas bar.

https://www.texasbar.com/AM/Templat...e/MemberDirectory/Result_form_client.cfm

You hafta enter his name.

My cousin Vinny knows more bout the law than this guy.

Once again, your stupidity is on display for all to see.

It's on his own website.

Maybe a genius like you should patiently explain ta him how you know more about his life, than he does.

Once again, you are so dense that you don't even understand to what I referring.

That's because you post like a clam.

Let me guess, your next post'll be "Everything's fine!"

LOL

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

AS, it's no great surprise that Colion Noir would come down on that side of it. He identifies with a black man, and imagines that as himself taking a jog, and some rednecks approach him with firearms for merely "jogging while black." It's the rare black man who can see a thing like this objectively because of how they've been indoctrinated.

TRH,

I see you ignored that he's an actual attorney, and walked through the necessary elements before a crime could be proven. Do you think you could put down your roll of tinfoil and your copy of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion long enough to respond to what he actually said vs. condemning him for the color of his skin?

AS, have I been rude to you during our discussion?

TRH,

It's not so much that you are rude, but disappointing. I'm disappointed that a man of your intelligence, has allowed himself to abandon his skepticism in pursuit of half baked conspiracy theories, especially those founded in racial bigotry . You know The Constitution and founding principles better than most, but for you the proposition that all men are created equal seem to only encompass non-Jewish white males.

No one here is denying there's problems within the black community. I've suggested that if it's what some here really want to discuss, lets not conflate the two issues and start a separate thread on that separate subject, because conflating the two, doesn't help.

You are way to serious a person, especially as a concealed carrier to not take seriously the facts as laid out in the video I presented, regardless of the race of the pro-2A attorney presenting them. You watch the Active Self Defense video's. I expect you are aware the aggressors violated about every principle there is pertaining to armed self defense. So yes, I'm disappointed you went straight to "oh of course he black", as opposed to actually addressing the content of his speech.

Originally Posted by callnum

Originally Posted by JoeBob

At one point, before the cameras were installed, $2,500 worth of fishing tackle was stolen, obviously it was probably him.

Best post of the thread, "obviously it was probably him".

LOL--

"obviously--probably"

Especially that part where Mr. English says nothing was ever stolen from that property....so obviously he probably did that thing that never happened....

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Let's see what a pro-gun attorney thinks about it:

They wont believe that video for two reasons... the obvious... and he says basically what we have been saying.

Well, tell us again how Zero is our hero.

Heres your daily dose buddy... back to sleep...

Just because I dont come on this forum screaming anti black rhetoric doesnt mean I supported Obama... it means I can see this for what it is without the blinders on. Go back and read my posts... never once have I said this kid was a model citizen, all I said was the two assailants are clearly super guilty.

You do however fit that “deplorable” label to a fugging T though, that much is certainly true! Good luck in church lying to yourself and your famed jesus...

Im sure theres some fresh “Hillary is about to get charges” videos for you to be watching, now run along you old crazy lunatic...

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How many cases has Collin Noir tried?

Originally Posted by JoeBob

How many cases has Collin Noir tried?

Nice red herring.

Now can you demonstrate where he's wrong?

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

How many cases has Collin Noir tried?

Nice red herring.

Now can you demonstrate where he's wrong?

Yeah, I disagree with his analysis. The jury will decide who is right or wrong. Now, how many cases has he tried?

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

How many cases has Collin Noir tried?

Nice red herring.

Now can you demonstrate where he's wrong?

Yeah, I disagree with his analysis. The jury will decide who is right or wrong. Now, how many cases has he tried?

I don't care about your red herrings.
If you can demonstrate he's wrong, please do so.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

How many cases has Collin Noir tried?

Nice red herring.

Now can you demonstrate where he's wrong?

Yeah, I disagree with his analysis. The jury will decide who is right or wrong. Now, how many cases has he tried?

I don't care about your red herrings.
If you can demonstrate he's wrong, please do so.

I’ve already been over it. I’m not going to argue with someone who doesn’t know schit from shinola about trying a case.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

AS, it's no great surprise that Colion Noir would come down on that side of it. He identifies with a black man, and imagines that as himself taking a jog, and some rednecks approach him with firearms for merely "jogging while black." It's the rare black man who can see a thing like this objectively because of how they've been indoctrinated.

TRH,

I see you ignored that he's an actual attorney, and walked through the necessary elements before a crime could be proven. Do you think you could put down your roll of tinfoil and your copy of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion long enough to respond to what he actually said vs. condemning him for the color of his skin?

Very well said. ^ ^ ^

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

How many cases has Collin Noir tried?

Nice red herring.

Now can you demonstrate where he's wrong?

Yeah, I disagree with his analysis. The jury will decide who is right or wrong. Now, how many cases has he tried?

I don't care about your red herrings.
If you can demonstrate he's wrong, please do so.

I’ve already been over it. I’m not going to argue with someone who doesn’t know schit from shinola about trying a case.

Of course you don't want to address the arguments laid out in the video, because you can't.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

How many cases has Collin Noir tried?

Nice red herring.

Now can you demonstrate where he's wrong?

Yeah, I disagree with his analysis. The jury will decide who is right or wrong. Now, how many cases has he tried?

I don't care about your red herrings.
If you can demonstrate he's wrong, please do so.

I’ve already been over it. I’m not going to argue with someone who doesn’t know schit from shinola about trying a case.

Of course you don't want to address the arguments laid out in the video, because you can't.

Actually, I stopped listening when he said you needed a posted sign t let you know that you shouldn’t go into someone else’s house.

Keep getting your legal instruction from someone who failed the Texas bar three times and who has never tried a case.

analube_slurper, if your life was on the line, would you hire this guy ta represent you?

Assumin it was legal for him ta do so, acourse.

Originally Posted by Fubarski

analube_slurper, if your life was on the line, would you hire this guy ta represent you?

Assumin it was legal for him ta do so, acourse.

Another red herring posted by a cretin with a 3rd grader's grasp of logic.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Hubert

In some states enterning a house without the owners permission is considered breaking and enterning… even if the door is open.

That's correct. "Breaking" just means without permission or authorization.

the issue is did Arbery commit a felony in GA
to justify a road block and citzens arrest.

[ref. Lawson & Berry attorneys, GA]

"In Georgia, burglary is defined as the breaking and entering into any structure with the intent to commit a felony therein. You must intend to commit an underlying offense, which can be a crime against property, such as theft; or a crime against a person, such as assault."

GBI with superior knowledge of the case than
yourself found no evidence to suggest Arbery
committed a felony or demonstrated intent to do so.

why don't TRH and JoeBob fill us all in
on what;.. 'first-hand strong probable cause'
the McMichaels acted on.

... Just keep in mind that,

What DA George Barnhill Snr. decribed as citizens arrest
by the McMichaels, JoeBob tries to pass off as
'just wanting to talk to Arbery'... LoL.

Police report indicates Arbery didn't want to talk
the first time they cut him off with their struck,..

So they persued him further, cut him off again,
but this time Travis took a more aggressive
approach and actually got out of the truck and
brought with him a shotgun.

In JoeBobs mind Travis only wanted a friendly
neighborhood watch chat... but any reasonable
person might perceived such behavior differently.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

How many cases has Collin Noir tried?

Nice red herring.

Now can you demonstrate where he's wrong?

Yeah, I disagree with his analysis. The jury will decide who is right or wrong. Now, how many cases has he tried?

I don't care about your red herrings.
If you can demonstrate he's wrong, please do so.

I’ve already been over it. I’m not going to argue with someone who doesn’t know schit from shinola about trying a case.

Of course you don't want to address the arguments laid out in the video, because you can't.

Actually, I stopped listening when he said you needed a posted sign t let you know that you shouldn’t go into someone else’s house.

Thats actually not what he said....

Ask Tarquin if events leading up to the encounter are relevant.

Ask him about time limits on those events.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Just wanted to ask you Mom, did Ahmaud frequently jog in the middle of the night?

Your missing the obvious here.... the victim isnt on trial...

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Ask Tarquin if events leading up to the encounter are relevant.

Ask him about time limits on those events.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Just wanted to ask you Mom, did Ahmaud frequently jog in the middle of the night?

Your missing the obvious here.... the victim isnt on trial...

Again, your missing the obvious, Arbery isnt going to be on trial..... his jogging frequency, and at night (which is really un-relatable here) has nothing to do with the present case.

The part where he declared it wasn’t an illegal trespass because there was no sign......that was just a stupid and ignorant comment on his part.

Comparing it to a public business and CCW’s......ask Tarquin if that is a relevant example.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

How many cases has Collin Noir tried?

Nice red herring.

Now can you demonstrate where he's wrong?

Yeah, I disagree with his analysis. The jury will decide who is right or wrong. Now, how many cases has he tried?

I don't care about your red herrings.
If you can demonstrate he's wrong, please do so.

The 911 neighbor mentioned this was an ongoing thing, this trespassing. Think he’ll be called in to testify?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Ask Tarquin if events leading up to the encounter are relevant.

Ask him about time limits on those events.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Just wanted to ask you Mom, did Ahmaud frequently jog in the middle of the night?

Your missing the obvious here.... the victim isnt on trial...

Again, your missing the obvious, Arbery isnt going to be on trial..... his jogging frequency, and at night (which is really un-relatable here) has nothing to do with the present case.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

The 911 neighbor mentioned this was an ongoing thing, this trespassing. Think he’ll be called in to testify?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Ask Tarquin if events leading up to the encounter are relevant.

Ask him about time limits on those events.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Just wanted to ask you Mom, did Ahmaud frequently jog in the middle of the night?

Your missing the obvious here.... the victim isnt on trial...

Again, your missing the obvious, Arbery isnt going to be on trial..... his jogging frequency, and at night (which is really un-relatable here) has nothing to do with the present case.

Your missing the obvious here... Arbery isnt on trial....

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

The part where he declared it wasn’t an illegal trespass because there was no sign......that was just a stupid and ignorant comment on his part.

Comparing it to a public business and CCW’s......ask Tarquin if that is a relevant example.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

How many cases has Collin Noir tried?

Nice red herring.

Now can you demonstrate where he's wrong?

Yeah, I disagree with his analysis. The jury will decide who is right or wrong. Now, how many cases has he tried?

I don't care about your red herrings.
If you can demonstrate he's wrong, please do so.

Read the GA definition of trespass.... you’ll realize who has the ignorance here... its you.

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Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

The part where he declared it wasn’t an illegal trespass because there was no sign......that was just a stupid and ignorant comment on his part.

Comparing it to a public business and CCW’s......ask Tarquin if that is a relevant example.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

How many cases has Collin Noir tried?

Nice red herring.

Now can you demonstrate where he's wrong?

Yeah, I disagree with his analysis. The jury will decide who is right or wrong. Now, how many cases has he tried?

I don't care about your red herrings.
If you can demonstrate he's wrong, please do so.

Read the GA definition of trespass.... you’ll realize who has the ignorance here... its you.

Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown weren’t either.

This is different.....we’ll see.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

The 911 neighbor mentioned this was an ongoing thing, this trespassing. Think he’ll be called in to testify?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Ask Tarquin if events leading up to the encounter are relevant.

Ask him about time limits on those events.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Just wanted to ask you Mom, did Ahmaud frequently jog in the middle of the night?

Your missing the obvious here.... the victim isnt on trial...

Again, your missing the obvious, Arbery isnt going to be on trial..... his jogging frequency, and at night (which is really un-relatable here) has nothing to do with the present case.

Your missing the obvious here... Arbery isnt on trial....

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

The 911 neighbor mentioned this was an ongoing thing, this trespassing. Think he’ll be called in to testify?

He'll probably have a complete lapse of memory.
Anyone that wants to make a documented comment concerning this matter better lawyer up and be prepared for a life changing experience...

Gonna be a lot of I don't know nuttin's around.

I'm amazed by the amount of black hating retards that put themselves on full display here.

The choice to bear arms and get involved in a matter like this brings consequences with it. I can guarantee you even if the idiots are adjudicated not guilty of any criminal wrong doing that they will wish they had just let the guy go. Or maybe make a 911 call and remotely keep contact.

Me, I ain't getting involved in an armed confrontation with a burglary suspect who doesn't appear to have any stolen goods with him. I realize everyone will have different risk assessment or cost/benefit analysis, but no way do I ever see that set of risks worth the potential gain.

Originally Posted by deflave

I'm amazed by the amount of black hating retards that put themselves on full display here.

Doesn't surprise me in the least, been reading these guys posts a long time.

I still think the most of them would fall to their knees and ask for mercy if ever confronted by a real live black man.....

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown weren’t either.

This is different.....we’ll see.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

The 911 neighbor mentioned this was an ongoing thing, this trespassing. Think he’ll be called in to testify?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Ask Tarquin if events leading up to the encounter are relevant.

Ask him about time limits on those events.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Just wanted to ask you Mom, did Ahmaud frequently jog in the middle of the night?

Your missing the obvious here.... the victim isnt on trial...

Again, your missing the obvious, Arbery isnt going to be on trial..... his jogging frequency, and at night (which is really un-relatable here) has nothing to do with the present case.

Your missing the obvious here... Arbery isnt on trial....

How other than race, do those cases compare?

Originally Posted by deflave

I'm amazed by the amount of black hating retards that put themselves on full display here.

What about us that are just tired of the hooligans who offer nothing to society, and take everything?

Reasonable and well-thought post.

Surely they already regret everything.

No one thinks this went as planned.

Are neighborhood watch programs a good or bad thing?

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

The choice to bear arms and get involved in a matter like this brings consequences with it. I can guarantee you even if the idiots are adjudicated not guilty of any criminal wrong doing that they will wish they had just let the guy go. Or maybe make a 911 call and remotely keep contact.

Me, I ain't getting involved in an armed confrontation with a burglary suspect who doesn't appear to have any stolen goods with him. I realize everyone will have different risk assessment or cost/benefit analysis, but no way do I ever see that set of risks worth the potential gain.

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by deflave

I'm amazed by the amount of black hating retards that put themselves on full display here.

What about us that are just tired of the hooligans who offer nothing to society, and take everything?

Like human life?

Nope, just a media hating retard.....tired of the false narratives doing damage before the truth surfaces.

Originally Posted by deflave

I'm amazed by the amount of black hating retards that put themselves on full display here.

Originally Posted by akasparky

Originally Posted by deflave

I'm amazed by the amount of black hating retards that put themselves on full display here.

Doesn't surprise me in the least, been reading these guys posts a long time.

I still think the most of them would fall to their knees and ask for mercy if ever confronted by a real live black man.....

Yeah I know, young black guys are the most nonviolent people on the planet. Superb impulse control.

Too bad this guy is busy, The McMichael's might have been able to use him.
It appears he might be workin' the other side of the fence these days....

Ex-George Zimmerman attorney now representing family of Florida teen shot by homeowner

MAY 11, 2020
A lawyer famous for getting George Zimmerman acquitted in the 2012 death of teenager Trayvon Martin says the fatal shooting of a different teen in the same Florida city last week doesn’t appear justified.

Attorney Mark O’Mara said a grand jury should review the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Adrein Green outside a man’s house in Sanford around 1 a.m. May 5, the Orlando Sentinel reported.

O’Mara, who’s now representing Green’s family, says the man who admittedly fired his gun from his doorway last Tuesday, striking Green, did not have the right to end the teen’s life over an alleged burglary of a vehicle outside.

Green was shot in the back and found dead near a car that was some 20 feet away from the residence, O’Mara said.

“That’s not self-defense, it just isn’t,” O’Mara said after Green’s weekend funeral, The Sentinel reported.

“Breaking into a car should not lead to a death sentence,” he said.

The Sanford Police Department and Seminole County State’s Attorney Office announced last week that they were not planning to recommend criminal charges against the shooter.

They said Green allegedly was burglarizing a vehicle on the man’s private, gated property when the shooting took place.

The homeowner reportedly said he fired twice from the threshold of his house after seeing someone on his property and fearing the person might be a threat to his wife and newborn child inside.

According to Florida law, deadly force is justified when someone intrudes on a private home or when it’s used to prevent “the imminent commission of a forcible felony,” The Sentinel reported.

O’Mara said he believes a vehicle burglary outside a home with no one else in the immediate vicinity doesn’t qualify.

“The statute is quite clear, when you’re looking at a life versus property — and a car is property — life always should win out,” the lawyer said, according to The Sentinel. “And in Adrein’s case, that didn’t happen, and now we’ve got to figure out why.”

O’Mara also highlighted the 911 call in the case, where the shooter said he fired his gun to scare the alleged burglar away.

“That does not seem to be an immediate fear of injury,” he said. “You can’t shoot at someone to scare them away, you can only shoot at someone when you’re in immediate, or imminent threat of great bodily injury.”

He said the fact that the shooter reached an emergency dispatcher before discharging his weapon made the whole shooting even more “questionable.”

“This guy had already called 911, he was in his house, armed with a gun, that’s not a bad position to be in to protect yourself," O’Mara said. "Why go outside and shoot?”

Seminole-Brevard State Attorney’s Office spokesman Todd Brown reportedly said Monday the case was still being investigated. He declined to comment on whether prosecutors might call for a grand jury, The Sentinel reported.

“Investigations like this can take weeks to complete and there may be the need to wait on forensic reports like ballistics, toxicology, or the medical examiner,” Brown wrote in a statement to the newspaper. “Once we have received and reviewed all the reports, evidence, and information gathered, a final determination as to criminal prosecution will be made and announced publicly.”

O’Mara gained fame working on Zimmerman’s defense after the gung-ho community watch member stalked Martin through a gated community in Sanford, engaged him in an altercation and fatally shot the 17-year-old high school student in the chest.

The jury acquitted Zimmerman of second-degree murder and manslaughter, deciding he was protected by Florida’s stand-your-ground law.

O’Mara reportedly said he doesn’t yet know all the facts in Adrein’s case, but he plans to pursue them.

“Justice is not going to be served through silence,” he said, according to The Sentinel. “What the family is asking, what they’re demanding, is that we have a grand jury panel, and that we, representing Adrein, have an opportunity to talk to that grand jury.”

Originally Posted by jfruser

Gun control is a proxy war on middle class / middle American white folks (Badwhites), white _men_, specifically.

You think that because you are myopic and enjoy seeing yourself as a victim.

Early fun control efforts were provably aimed at blacks. Cities with clearly the strictest gun control are those with the largest black populations. As Bloomberg said “we send more police onto minority neighborhoods because that is where the crime is”.

More blacks and Arabs and Mexicans owning guns isn’t going to help in the slightest. Gun control is aimed at disarming everyone, muds included. If anything, further arming of ethnicities demonstrably more prone to violence will just provide more momentum to expand gun control.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

TRH,

It's not so much that you are rude, but disappointing. I'm disappointed that a man of your intelligence, has allowed himself to abandon his skepticism in pursuit of half baked conspiracy theories, especially those founded in racial bigotry . You know The Constitution and founding principles better than most, but for you the proposition that all men are created equal seem to only encompass non-Jewish white males.

No one here is denying there's problems within the black community. I've suggested that if it's what some here really want to discuss, lets not conflate the two issues and start a separate thread on that separate subject, because conflating the two, doesn't help.

You are way to serious a person, especially as a concealed carrier to not take seriously the facts as laid out in the video I presented, regardless of the race of the pro-2A attorney presenting them. You watch the Active Self Defense video's. I expect you are aware the aggressors violated about every principle there is pertaining to armed self defense. So yes, I'm disappointed you went straight to "oh of course he black", as opposed to actually addressing the content of his speech.

You share with the left a tendency to impute evil on those with whom you disagree. I don't consider you to be evil because you disagree with me on many subjects. I just assume that it's due to many years of programming, starting in early childhood, that you are unable to overcome or rise above.

Originally Posted by akasparky

Originally Posted by deflave

I'm amazed by the amount of black hating retards that put themselves on full display here.

Doesn't surprise me in the least, been reading these guys posts a long time.

I still think the most of them would fall to their knees and ask for mercy if ever confronted by a real live black man.....

They would change their tone for sure. That's a reflection on their true character.

How do they compare?

The media posted a pic of a clean cut 12 year old Trayvon Martin. Killed in cold blood, for no good reason.

Poor Michael Brown was a ready to go off to college before an evil law enforcement officer killed him in cold blood. Witnesses in the hood saw it all perfectly.

A poor, young, good looking kid in a nice suit was just out jogging when two hillbillies came out of nowhere and shot him.

It’s the original media accounts.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown weren’t either.

This is different.....we’ll see.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

The 911 neighbor mentioned this was an ongoing thing, this trespassing. Think he’ll be called in to testify?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Ask Tarquin if events leading up to the encounter are relevant.

Ask him about time limits on those events.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Just wanted to ask you Mom, did Ahmaud frequently jog in the middle of the night?

Your missing the obvious here.... the victim isnt on trial...

Again, your missing the obvious, Arbery isnt going to be on trial..... his jogging frequency, and at night (which is really un-relatable here) has nothing to do with the present case.

Your missing the obvious here... Arbery isnt on trial....

How other than race, do those cases compare?

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Reasonable and well-thought post.

Surely they already regret everything.

No one thinks this went as planned.

Are neighborhood watch programs a good or bad thing?

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

The choice to bear arms and get involved in a matter like this brings consequences with it. I can guarantee you even if the idiots are adjudicated not guilty of any criminal wrong doing that they will wish they had just let the guy go. Or maybe make a 911 call and remotely keep contact.

Me, I ain't getting involved in an armed confrontation with a burglary suspect who doesn't appear to have any stolen goods with him. I realize everyone will have different risk assessment or cost/benefit analysis, but no way do I ever see that set of risks worth the potential gain.

Neighborhood watch programs can be a very good thing. They can also be schidt shows.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

The choice to bear arms and get involved in a matter like this brings consequences with it. I can guarantee you even if the idiots are adjudicated not guilty of any criminal wrong doing that they will wish they had just let the guy go. Or maybe make a 911 call and remotely keep contact.

Me, I ain't getting involved in an armed confrontation with a burglary suspect who doesn't appear to have any stolen goods with him. I realize everyone will have different risk assessment or cost/benefit analysis, but no way do I ever see that set of risks worth the potential gain.

Unnecessary comment. We already know you'd be a schitty neighbor who would not go out of his way to help his community when it needed help the most.

============

The main problem in this fiasco is the criminalization of community defense by white people. Jews can do it (Shomrim) and so can blacks (NOI, BP).

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Your [sic] missing the obvious here... Arbery isnt on trial....

Actually, when a defendant claims the defense of self-defense, in a sense, the victim of his actions comes to be on trial, because now the prosecutor must prove that the victim was not posing an imminent, potentially deadly, threat to the shooter at the time of the incident, and the shooter is proffering evidence of the opposite, then the jury makes a decision on it based on the evidence.

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Originally Posted by akasparky

Originally Posted by deflave

I'm amazed by the amount of black hating retards that put themselves on full display here.

Doesn't surprise me in the least, been reading these guys posts a long time.

I still think the most of them would fall to their knees and ask for mercy if ever confronted by a real live black man.....

Yeah I know, young black guys are the most nonviolent people on the planet. Superb impulse control.

You're just an evil racist for taking note of that fact and drawing conclusions based on it. Pattern recognition is evil.

Originally Posted by jfruser

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

The choice to bear arms and get involved in a matter like this brings consequences with it. I can guarantee you even if the idiots are adjudicated not guilty of any criminal wrong doing that they will wish they had just let the guy go. Or maybe make a 911 call and remotely keep contact.

Me, I ain't getting involved in an armed confrontation with a burglary suspect who doesn't appear to have any stolen goods with him. I realize everyone will have different risk assessment or cost/benefit analysis, but no way do I ever see that set of risks worth the potential gain.

Unnecessary comment. We already know you'd be a schitty neighbor who would not go out of his way to help his community when it needed help the most.

============

The main problem in this fiasco is the criminalization of community defense by white people. Jews can do it (Shomrim) and so can blacks (NOI, BP).

You can certainly count on me not to chase down an empty handed man seen walking through an open house under construction, then confronting him with a shotgun. Given the whole of the circumstances I may have called 911 and kept an eye on him.

As a neighbor, you most assuredly would not be worth the risk of an armed confrontation.

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by deflave

I'm amazed by the amount of black hating retards that put themselves on full display here.

What about us that are just tired of the hooligans who offer nothing to society, and take everything?

You can speak of schit bags and criminal behavior without sounding like a moron.

I make racial based jokes and might even throw a racial epithet every now and again whilst driving down the road. But it's nothing I wouldn't say in front of my black friends or co-workers.

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by deflave

I'm amazed by the amount of black hating retards that put themselves on full display here.

What about us that are just tired of the hooligans who offer nothing to society, and take everything?

We are supposed to just sit back, say nothing and finance it until the schiett gets much worse. We must have something to keep the justice dept, Leo, lawyers, ER rooms, prison systems and morgues going.

How much of it is in the news when a couple of blacks kill some poor cracker while robbing a convenience store or raping and killing some woman? Well, that wouldnt be big news. Why, because its expected. Its normal. Dont you know that's just how they are? Say something about it and, hey, you're a racist.
5 dead, 28 wounded the weekend of 4-20. Hey, no biggie if blacks are killing blacks for fun or whites for money or puzzy but if 2 crackers try to chase down and hold a black for few minutes for LEO and and said low IQ dumbass attacks one with a gun and buys the farm the world must come to a standstill.

This schiett will not be tolerated. Chase them down and just grab them. Get a knife in your guts and everything will be ok.

Why dont you enablers who love that schitt so much move to S Afreaka and wallow in it? You would be in heaven. You all could save money living in a cheap spot on the south side or in the projects.

Originally Posted by deflave

But it's nothing I wouldn't say in front of my black friends or co-workers.

You work with black people? OMFG

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Your [sic] missing the obvious here... Arbery isnt on trial....

Actually, when a defendant claims the defense of self-defense, in a sense, the victim of his actions come to be on trial, because now the prosecutor must prove that the victim was not posing an imminent, potentially deadly, threat to the shooter at the time of the incident, and the shooter is proffering evidence of the opposite.

No no no.... your wrong... the prosecutor doesnt have to prove that at all.... the defense does...

Originally Posted by jaguartx

We are supposed to just sit back, say nothing and finance it until the schiett gets much worse. We must have something to keep the justice dept, Leo, lawyers, ER rooms, prison systems and morgues going.

How much of it is in the news when a couple of blacks kill some poor cracker while robbing a convenience store or raping and killing some woman? Well, that wouldnt be big news. Why, because its expected. Its normal. Dont you know that's just how they are? Say something about it and, hey, you're a racist.
5 dead, 28 wounded the weekend of 4-20. Hey, no biggie if blacks are killing blacks for fun or whites for money or puzzy but if 2 crackers try to chase down and hold a black for few minutes for LEO and and said low IQ dumbass attacks one with a gun and buys the farm the world must come to a standstill.

This schiett will not be tolerated. Chase them down and just grab them. Get a knife in your guts and everything will be ok.

Excellent rebuttal.

Originally Posted by akasparky

Originally Posted by deflave

But it's nothing I wouldn't say in front of my black friends or co-workers.

You work with black people? OMFG

Doesn't everybody?

I don't work

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Your [sic] missing the obvious here... Arbery isnt on trial....

Actually, when a defendant claims the defense of self-defense, in a sense, the victim of his actions come to be on trial, because now the prosecutor must prove that the victim was not posing an imminent, potentially deadly, threat to the shooter at the time of the incident, and the shooter is proffering evidence of the opposite.

No no no.... your wrong... the prosecutor doesnt have to prove that at all.... the defense does...

There is a burden of proof shift once the defense of self-defense is asserted. After that, the prosecutor is burdened with proving that the victim wasn't illegally posing an imminent threat to the life of the defendant, i.e., it becomes about the dead man at that point.

Originally Posted by akasparky

I don't work

Even better.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by akasparky

I don't work

Even better.

I dont work very hard.

Originally Posted by akasparky

Originally Posted by deflave

But it's nothing I wouldn't say in front of my black friends or co-workers.

You work with black people? OMFG

Work may be a stretch, they are fellow employees.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by jaguartx

We are supposed to just sit back, say nothing and finance it until the schiett gets much worse. We must have something to keep the justice dept, Leo, lawyers, ER rooms, prison systems and morgues going.

How much of it is in the news when a couple of blacks kill some poor cracker while robbing a convenience store or raping and killing some woman? Well, that wouldnt be big news. Why, because its expected. Its normal. Dont you know that's just how they are? Say something about it and, hey, you're a racist.
5 dead, 28 wounded the weekend of 4-20. Hey, no biggie if blacks are killing blacks for fun or whites for money or puzzy but if 2 crackers try to chase down and hold a black for few minutes for LEO and and said low IQ dumbass attacks one with a gun and buys the farm the world must come to a standstill.

This schiett will not be tolerated. Chase them down and just grab them. Get a knife in your guts and everything will be ok.

Excellent rebuttal.

It really was. It was so well executed that I barely noticed he entwined murder into this discussion of a possible burglary.

People make decisions everyday that ruin their lives or someone elses. Thats what happened here. Decisions were made on both sides that may ultimately cost all three their lives. Thats what happens in a free will society. I personally do my best to avoid areas and people I don't wanna be around. Not afraid, just remove myself from the posibility. Why step in [bleep] if you have don't have to?

Paul,

Between you and me, I never actually read it.

In Georgia, when raised at trial the defendant need only show evidence of justification in an alleged self defense situation then the burden of proof switches to the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn’t justified.

So, necessarily the actions of the victim and his character, at least to some extent will come into play. Most states allow a defendant in a self defense case to offer evidence of pertinent character traits of the victim. So, if there is anything there, you will hear about it. I’ll bet that the defense already knows about or is very interested in the “mental issues” alluded to by the second DA in his letter to the third.

I still think that it is going to come down to what happened in the front of that truck that no one can see. McMillan has right to be armed to be in a public space. And Arbery had a right to be where he was. So, it’s going to come down to those few seconds.

You can argue that the McMillans created the whole situation and were the aggressors. That isn’t completely unreasonable. On the other hand, from what we think we know about the case, they had done pretty much the same thing and tried to get him to stop and talk at least once, maybe twice, a few minutes/seconds before and he had kept running. What was different this time?

It’s going to come down to what the difference was in those split seconds the last time they tried to stop him. The McMillans are behind the eight ball with all the publicity. On the other hand, they appear to be the only witnesses as to what happened in those split seconds.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

In Georgia, when raised at trial the defendant need only show evidence of justification in an alleged self defense situation then the burden of proof switches to the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn’t justified.

So, necessarily the actions of the victim and his character, at least to some extent will come into play. Most states allow a defendant to offer evidence of pertinent e t character traits of the victim. So, if there is anything there, you will hear about it. I’ll bet that the defense already knows about or is very interested in the “mental issues” alluded to by the second DA in his letter to the third.

I still think that it is going to come down to what happened in the front of that truck that no one can see. McMillan has right to be armed to be in a public space. And Arbery had a right to be where he was. So, it’s going to come down to those few seconds.

You can argue that the McMillans created the whole situation and were the aggressors. That isn’t completely unreasonable. On the other hand, from what we think we know about the case, they had done pretty much the same thing and tried to get him to stop and talk at least once, maybe twice, a few minutes/seconds before and he had kept running. What was different this time?

It’s going to come down to what the difference was in those split seconds the last time they tried to stop him. The McMillans are behind the eight ball with all the publicity. On the other hand, the appear to be the only witnesses as to what happened in those split seconds.

I think there will be much more legal nuance than we realize. I have read and reread the Georgia statute. What the killers KNEW is going to come into play.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by JoeBob

In Georgia, when raised at trial the defendant need only show evidence of justification in an alleged self defense situation then the burden of proof switches to the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn’t justified.

So, necessarily the actions of the victim and his character, at least to some extent will come into play. Most states allow a defendant to offer evidence of pertinent e t character traits of the victim. So, if there is anything there, you will hear about it. I’ll bet that the defense already knows about or is very interested in the “mental issues” alluded to by the second DA in his letter to the third.

I still think that it is going to come down to what happened in the front of that truck that no one can see. McMillan has right to be armed to be in a public space. And Arbery had a right to be where he was. So, it’s going to come down to those few seconds.

You can argue that the McMillans created the whole situation and were the aggressors. That isn’t completely unreasonable. On the other hand, from what we think we know about the case, they had done pretty much the same thing and tried to get him to stop and talk at least once, maybe twice, a few minutes/seconds before and he had kept running. What was different this time?

It’s going to come down to what the difference was in those split seconds the last time they tried to stop him. The McMillans are behind the eight ball with all the publicity. On the other hand, the appear to be the only witnesses as to what happened in those split seconds.

I think there will be much more legal nuance than we realize. I have read and reread the Georgia statute. What the killers KNEW is going to come into play.

I suspect they knew a lot more than most are giving them credit for knowing.

What disturbs me most is how many of you think a man should allow himself to be disarmed and murdered just because he investigated a suspected burglar in his neighborhood.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by akasparky

Originally Posted by deflave

But it's nothing I wouldn't say in front of my black friends or co-workers.

You work with black people? OMFG

Work may be a stretch, they are fellow employees.

You lazy bastard.

Originally Posted by 19352012

You lazy bastard.

He's probably black.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

What disturbs me most is how many of you think a man should allow himself to be disarmed and murdered just because he investigated a suspected burglar in his neighborhood.

Another contender for the critical thinking hall of fame.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

What disturbs me most is how many of you think a man should allow himself to be disarmed and murdered just because he investigated a suspected burglar in his neighborhood.

Or that a man who is armed is automatically the aggressor. Some of these guys aren’t too far off from attacking the dude open carrying at the grocery store because they felt threatened.

Break it down to its most simple parts. You can open carry in Georgia. You can open carry in the street in Georgia. You can talk to people, maybe even disagreeably so while open carrying in Georgia. None of that, in and of themselves makes one the aggressor in a confrontation. There is going to have to be some affirmative act...a spoken threat, physical contact, or pointing the gun to make one the aggressor.

Most on here want to argue that the whole situation made the McMillans the aggressors. And maybe, the jury will buy off on that. But if I were their counsel, I would try to break it down to it’s most basic elements and condense their acts down individually and analyze them that way.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

What disturbs me most is how many of you think a man should allow himself to be disarmed and murdered just because he investigated a suspected burglar in his neighborhood.

Another contender for the critical thinking hall of fame.

I wish you'd at least put up some competition.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

I wish you'd at least put up some competition.

I don't mind punching retards, but I don't want it archived indefinitely.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

I wish you'd at least put up some competition.

I don't mind punching retards, but I don't want it archived indefinitely.

You know you are allowed to stay in the kitchen with the women.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

What disturbs me most is how many of you think a man should allow himself to be disarmed and murdered just because he investigated a suspected burglar in his neighborhood.

Another contender for the critical thinking hall of fame.

Yep.
Well said, Tyrone.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

You know you are allowed to stay in the kitchen with the women.

Do you really want me in a separate room with everybody else's women?

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

You know you are allowed to stay in the kitchen with the women.

Do you really want me in a separate room with everybody else's women?

Why not? We've always had the eunuchs guard the harem.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

I wish you'd at least put up some competition.

I don't mind punching retards, but I don't want it archived indefinitely.

You know you are allowed to stay in the kitchen with the women.

Hey, the only ones who should be allowed to police their neighborhood is police from another neighborhood. They are professionals, I mean, paid.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

What disturbs me most is how many of you think a man should allow himself to be disarmed and murdered just because he investigated a suspected burglar in his neighborhood.

Another contender for the critical thinking hall of fame.

Yep.
Well said, Tyrone.

Hey, Doctor.

If I approach you, and I'm armed, what are you going to do?

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Hey, the only ones who should be allowed to police their neighborhood is police from another neighborhood.

I can take you and Tyrone to some self-policing neighborhoods.

I'll pick you up in 45 minutes and we can see how it goes.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Why not? We've always had the eunuchs guard the harem.

Because they'd be all over my COCK!

If you say lay down or hands up, citizens arrest, ima lay down.

To all but the dumbest, or guiltiest, joggers, it would be pretty easy to see if the cracker had so desired, he could have already shot said jogger. Jogger didnt want to hang around for popo and was pretty sure cracker would rather fight over the gun than shoot. Obvious reaction, grab gun.

Maybe this is why jogger didnt want to wait for popo. They are scared of the popo, crackers- not as much so.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Why not? We've always had the eunuchs guard the harem.

Only eunuchs in modernity I’m aware of are the castratos the homo papists diddled after listening to them sing.

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

If you thought some guy matched the description of a rapist, would you stop them and suggest they wait for police?

What level of proof would you say is required to detain someone?
What level of force is appropriate to keep them detained if they decide to leave?

If this was answered I missed it.

?

Col Travis, if I think you're a crook and point a shotgun at you and say "Stop", are you stupid enough to try and come take my gun?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

TRH,

It's not so much that you are rude, but disappointing. I'm disappointed that a man of your intelligence, has allowed himself to abandon his skepticism in pursuit of half baked conspiracy theories, especially those founded in racial bigotry . You know The Constitution and founding principles better than most, but for you the proposition that all men are created equal seem to only encompass non-Jewish white males.

No one here is denying there's problems within the black community. I've suggested that if it's what some here really want to discuss, lets not conflate the two issues and start a separate thread on that separate subject, because conflating the two, doesn't help.

You are way to serious a person, especially as a concealed carrier to not take seriously the facts as laid out in the video I presented, regardless of the race of the pro-2A attorney presenting them. You watch the Active Self Defense video's. I expect you are aware the aggressors violated about every principle there is pertaining to armed self defense. So yes, I'm disappointed you went straight to "oh of course he black", as opposed to actually addressing the content of his speech.

You share with the left a tendency to impute evil on those with whom you disagree. I don't consider you to be evil because you disagree with me on many subjects. I just assume that it's due to many years of programming, starting in early childhood, that you are unable to overcome or rise above.

Again you disappoint me with your failure to pay attention. I'm actually on the opposite end of that spectrum. "Evil" generally required intent. Most liberals are not evil, they are just wrong, and unable to see the consequences of the policies they propose.

Likewise I think many of the conspiracy theories to which you ascribe are best dismissed with Hanlon's Razor:

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity",

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Why not? We've always had the eunuchs guard the harem.

Only eunuchs in modernity I’m aware of are the castratos the homo papists diddled after listening to them sing.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Col Travis, if I think you're a crook and point a shotgun at you and say "Stop", are you stupid enough to try and come take my gun?

I'm going to kill you.

(In this hypothetical)

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

TRH,

It's not so much that you are rude, but disappointing. I'm disappointed that a man of your intelligence, has allowed himself to abandon his skepticism in pursuit of half baked conspiracy theories, especially those founded in racial bigotry . You know The Constitution and founding principles better than most, but for you the proposition that all men are created equal seem to only encompass non-Jewish white males.

No one here is denying there's problems within the black community. I've suggested that if it's what some here really want to discuss, lets not conflate the two issues and start a separate thread on that separate subject, because conflating the two, doesn't help.

You are way to serious a person, especially as a concealed carrier to not take seriously the facts as laid out in the video I presented, regardless of the race of the pro-2A attorney presenting them. You watch the Active Self Defense video's. I expect you are aware the aggressors violated about every principle there is pertaining to armed self defense. So yes, I'm disappointed you went straight to "oh of course he black", as opposed to actually addressing the content of his speech.

You share with the left a tendency to impute evil on those with whom you disagree. I don't consider you to be evil because you disagree with me on many subjects. I just assume that it's due to many years of programming, starting in early childhood, that you are unable to overcome or rise above.

Again you disappoint me with your failure to pay attention. I'm actually on the opposite end of that spectrum. "Evil" generally required intent. Most liberals are not evil, they are just wrong, and unable to see the consequences of the policies they propose.

Likewise I think many of the conspiracy theories to which you ascribe are best dismissed with Hanlon's Razor:

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity",

So what is your explanation for the preponderance of black on white crime and the all too frequent sensless viciousness manifested in it? And dont tell me it's because they werent raised in Montanas loving atmosphere.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Why not? We've always had the eunuchs guard the harem.

Only eunuchs in modernity I’m aware of are the castratos the homo papists diddled after listening to them sing.

I shudder to think what harem those poor boys were guarding for the Vatican

Jag and Tyrone,

Fly on out.

We'll put your theories to the test. 45 minutes in a self-policed community.

You can't run, and you can't fight.

LMAO

This is good:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-tYhehaMpoU

Originally Posted by jaguartx

So what is your explanation for the preponderance of black on white crime and the all too frequent sensless viciousness manifested in it? And dont tell me it's because they werent raised in Montanas loving atmosphere.

Why do you think Antelope Sniper was raised in Montana?

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

TRH,

It's not so much that you are rude, but disappointing. I'm disappointed that a man of your intelligence, has allowed himself to abandon his skepticism in pursuit of half baked conspiracy theories, especially those founded in racial bigotry . You know The Constitution and founding principles better than most, but for you the proposition that all men are created equal seem to only encompass non-Jewish white males.

No one here is denying there's problems within the black community. I've suggested that if it's what some here really want to discuss, lets not conflate the two issues and start a separate thread on that separate subject, because conflating the two, doesn't help.

You are way to serious a person, especially as a concealed carrier to not take seriously the facts as laid out in the video I presented, regardless of the race of the pro-2A attorney presenting them. You watch the Active Self Defense video's. I expect you are aware the aggressors violated about every principle there is pertaining to armed self defense. So yes, I'm disappointed you went straight to "oh of course he black", as opposed to actually addressing the content of his speech.

You share with the left a tendency to impute evil on those with whom you disagree. I don't consider you to be evil because you disagree with me on many subjects. I just assume that it's due to many years of programming, starting in early childhood, that you are unable to overcome or rise above.

Again you disappoint me with your failure to pay attention. I'm actually on the opposite end of that spectrum. "Evil" generally required intent. Most liberals are not evil, they are just wrong, and unable to see the consequences of the policies they propose.

Likewise I think many of the conspiracy theories to which you ascribe are best dismissed with Hanlon's Razor:

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity",

So what is your explanation for the preponderance of black on white crime and the all too frequent sensless viciousness manifested in it? And dont tell me it's because they werent raised in Montanas loving atmosphere.

The numbers show that violent crime crosses racial boundaries infrequently. You aren't interested in the answer to your question. If you were, you'd look at the crime rate of black Americans who grow up in two parent homes outside of the ghetto and have an opportunity for a good education and learn a little from it.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Tyrone

What disturbs me most is how many of you think a man should allow himself to be disarmed and murdered just because he investigated a suspected burglar in his neighborhood.

Or that a man who is armed is automatically the aggressor. Some of these guys aren’t too far off from attacking the dude open carrying at the grocery store because they felt threatened.

Break it down to its most simple parts. You can open carry in Georgia. You can open carry in the street in Georgia. You can talk to people, maybe even disagreeably so while open carrying in Georgia. None of that, in and of themselves makes one the aggressor in a confrontation. There is going to have to be some affirmative act...a spoken threat, physical contact, or pointing the gun to make one the aggressor.

Most on here want to argue that the whole situation made the McMillans the aggressors. And maybe, the jury will buy off on that. But if I were their counsel, I would try to break it down to it’s most basic elements and condense their acts down individually and analyze them that way.

They got their guns for the purpose of confronting this person without legal justification. The guns were not slung on their backs or in their holsters, they were at the ready when they initiated the confrontation, so yea, they were the aggressors. If anyone had the right to stand his ground in self defense, it was the dead man.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

What disturbs me most is how many of you think a man should allow himself to be disarmed and murdered just because he investigated a suspected burglar in his neighborhood.

This.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Tyrone

What disturbs me most is how many of you think a man should allow himself to be disarmed and murdered just because he investigated a suspected burglar in his neighborhood.

This.

Would you also like to take place in the self-policing challenge?

Originally Posted by deflave

Jag and Tyrone,

Fly on out.

We'll put your theories to the test. 45 minutes in a self-policed community.

You can't run, and you can't fight.

LMAO

We had a heroin addict breaking into cars at night recently.
I heard some commotion on the blind side of my house where some cars are parked, so I went out to see what was going on. Should I have been killed for that?

LOL! The neighbor's guest never knew I had a .38 in my hand.

That's my self-policing community.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

TRH,

It's not so much that you are rude, but disappointing. I'm disappointed that a man of your intelligence, has allowed himself to abandon his skepticism in pursuit of half baked conspiracy theories, especially those founded in racial bigotry . You know The Constitution and founding principles better than most, but for you the proposition that all men are created equal seem to only encompass non-Jewish white males.

No one here is denying there's problems within the black community. I've suggested that if it's what some here really want to discuss, lets not conflate the two issues and start a separate thread on that separate subject, because conflating the two, doesn't help.

You are way to serious a person, especially as a concealed carrier to not take seriously the facts as laid out in the video I presented, regardless of the race of the pro-2A attorney presenting them. You watch the Active Self Defense video's. I expect you are aware the aggressors violated about every principle there is pertaining to armed self defense. So yes, I'm disappointed you went straight to "oh of course he black", as opposed to actually addressing the content of his speech.

You share with the left a tendency to impute evil on those with whom you disagree. I don't consider you to be evil because you disagree with me on many subjects. I just assume that it's due to many years of programming, starting in early childhood, that you are unable to overcome or rise above.

Again you disappoint me with your failure to pay attention. I'm actually on the opposite end of that spectrum. "Evil" generally required intent. Most liberals are not evil, they are just wrong, and unable to see the consequences of the policies they propose.

Likewise I think many of the conspiracy theories to which you ascribe are best dismissed with Hanlon's Razor:

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity",

So what is your explanation for the preponderance of black on white crime and the all too frequent sensless viciousness manifested in it? And dont tell me it's because they werent raised in Montanas loving atmosphere.

It's a multi-factored problem best not discussed in polite company.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

We had a heroin addict breaking into cars at night recently.
I heard some commotion on the blind side of my house where some cars are parked, so I went out to see what was going on. Should I have been killed for that?

LOL! The neighbor's guest never knew I had a .38 in my hand.

That's my self-policing community.

GREAT analogy.

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Why not? We've always had the eunuchs guard the harem.

Only eunuchs in modernity I’m aware of are the castratos the homo papists diddled after listening to them sing.

That sounds pretty weird to me, not that there's anything wrong with that, if that's what you like.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Tyrone

What disturbs me most is how many of you think a man should allow himself to be disarmed and murdered just because he investigated a suspected burglar in his neighborhood.

This.

Would you also like to take place in the self-policing challenge?

Hawkeye still mad that dummy who got pushed down in a parking lot got sent up.

Feller finally got to FINALLY kill a black guy and look what they did to him.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Why not? We've always had the eunuchs guard the harem.

Only eunuchs in modernity I’m aware of are the castratos the homo papists diddled after listening to them sing.

That sounds pretty weird to me, not that there's anything wrong with that, if that's what you like.

I believe he's accusing you of being a Catholic.

Originally Posted by deflave

GREAT analogy.

Thank you. I knew you'd see it my way.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by deflave

Jag and Tyrone,

Fly on out.

We'll put your theories to the test. 45 minutes in a self-policed community.

You can't run, and you can't fight.

LMAO

We had a heroin addict breaking into cars at night recently.
I heard some commotion on the blind side of my house where some cars are parked, so I went out to see what was going on. Should I have been killed for that?

LOL! The neighbor's guest never knew I had a .38 in my hand.

That's my self-policing community.

You are asking the wrong question. Should you have entered into an armed confrontation with the neighbor's guest?

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Tyrone

What disturbs me most is how many of you think a man should allow himself to be disarmed and murdered just because he investigated a suspected burglar in his neighborhood.

Or that a man who is armed is automatically the aggressor. Some of these guys aren’t too far off from attacking the dude open carrying at the grocery store because they felt threatened.

Break it down to its most simple parts. You can open carry in Georgia. You can open carry in the street in Georgia. You can talk to people, maybe even disagreeably so while open carrying in Georgia. None of that, in and of themselves makes one the aggressor in a confrontation. There is going to have to be some affirmative act...a spoken threat, physical contact, or pointing the gun to make one the aggressor.

Most on here want to argue that the whole situation made the McMillans the aggressors. And maybe, the jury will buy off on that. But if I were their counsel, I would try to break it down to it’s most basic elements and condense their acts down individually and analyze them that way.

They got their guns for the purpose of PROTECTING THEMSELVES FROM A POSSIBLE DANGEROUS OR INSANE person. The guns were not slung on their backs or in their holsters, they were at the ready when they initiated the confrontation, so yea, they were the aggressors. If anyone had the right to stand his ground in self defense, it was the dead man.

But it's ok when the popo are the aggressors when trying to stop, investigate, or arrest someone.

Here's a novel idea.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Why not? We've always had the eunuchs guard the harem.

Only eunuchs in modernity I’m aware of are the castratos the homo papists diddled after listening to them sing.

That sounds pretty weird to me, not that there's anything wrong with that, if that's what you like.

I believe he's accusing you of being a Catholic.

Oh. In that case, sorry he was traumatized.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Tyrone

What disturbs me most is how many of you think a man should allow himself to be disarmed and murdered just because he investigated a suspected burglar in his neighborhood.

Or that a man who is armed is automatically the aggressor. Some of these guys aren’t too far off from attacking the dude open carrying at the grocery store because they felt threatened.

Break it down to its most simple parts. You can open carry in Georgia. You can open carry in the street in Georgia. You can talk to people, maybe even disagreeably so while open carrying in Georgia. None of that, in and of themselves makes one the aggressor in a confrontation. There is going to have to be some affirmative act...a spoken threat, physical contact, or pointing the gun to make one the aggressor.

Most on here want to argue that the whole situation made the McMillans the aggressors. And maybe, the jury will buy off on that. But if I were their counsel, I would try to break it down to it’s most basic elements and condense their acts down individually and analyze them that way.

They got their guns for the purpose of confronting this person without legal justification. The guns were not slung on their backs or in their holsters, they were at the ready when they initiated the confrontation, so yea, they were the aggressors. If anyone had the right to stand his ground in self defense, it was the dead man.

Yes. This is my take and better said than my post by far

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by jaguartx

So what is your explanation for the preponderance of black on white crime and the all too frequent sensless viciousness manifested in it? And dont tell me it's because they werent raised in Montanas loving atmosphere.

Why do you think Antelope Sniper was raised in Montana?

Because hes so PC.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

So what is your explanation for the preponderance of black on white crime and the all too frequent sensless viciousness manifested in it? And dont tell me it's because they werent raised in Montanas loving atmosphere.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by Tyrone

What disturbs me most is how many of you think a man should allow himself to be disarmed and murdered just because he investigated a suspected burglar in his neighborhood.

Or that a man who is armed is automatically the aggressor. Some of these guys aren’t too far off from attacking the dude open carrying at the grocery store because they felt threatened.

Break it down to its most simple parts. You can open carry in Georgia. You can open carry in the street in Georgia. You can talk to people, maybe even disagreeably so while open carrying in Georgia. None of that, in and of themselves makes one the aggressor in a confrontation. There is going to have to be some affirmative act...a spoken threat, physical contact, or pointing the gun to make one the aggressor.

Most on here want to argue that the whole situation made the McMillans the aggressors. And maybe, the jury will buy off on that. But if I were their counsel, I would try to break it down to it’s most basic elements and condense their acts down individually and analyze them that way.

They got their guns for the purpose of PROTECTING THEMSELVES FROM A POSSIBLE DANGEROUS OR INSANE person. The guns were not slung on their backs or in their holsters, they were at the ready when they initiated the confrontation, so yea, they were the aggressors. If anyone had the right to stand his ground in self defense, it was the dead man.

But it's ok when the popo are the aggressors when trying to stop, investigate, or arrest someone.

Um, yes. They have the statutory authority and the it's their paid duty to stop, investigate and arrest. For good reason, civilians aren't granted as broad authority, and it's not their paid duty to do that.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

You are asking the wrong question. Should you have entered into an armed confrontation with the neighbor's guest?

How would I have known who was out there and what level of threat they posed in advance? That's the whole reason I went out there.

Paul, you should stay in the kitchen with the women & 'flave too.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Oh. In that case, sorry he was traumatized.

Why did your parents give you a black name?

Did they know something we don't?

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

TRH,

It's not so much that you are rude, but disappointing. I'm disappointed that a man of your intelligence, has allowed himself to abandon his skepticism in pursuit of half baked conspiracy theories, especially those founded in racial bigotry . You know The Constitution and founding principles better than most, but for you the proposition that all men are created equal seem to only encompass non-Jewish white males.

No one here is denying there's problems within the black community. I've suggested that if it's what some here really want to discuss, lets not conflate the two issues and start a separate thread on that separate subject, because conflating the two, doesn't help.

You are way to serious a person, especially as a concealed carrier to not take seriously the facts as laid out in the video I presented, regardless of the race of the pro-2A attorney presenting them. You watch the Active Self Defense video's. I expect you are aware the aggressors violated about every principle there is pertaining to armed self defense. So yes, I'm disappointed you went straight to "oh of course he black", as opposed to actually addressing the content of his speech.

You share with the left a tendency to impute evil on those with whom you disagree. I don't consider you to be evil because you disagree with me on many subjects. I just assume that it's due to many years of programming, starting in early childhood, that you are unable to overcome or rise above.

Again you disappoint me with your failure to pay attention. I'm actually on the opposite end of that spectrum. "Evil" generally required intent. Most liberals are not evil, they are just wrong, and unable to see the consequences of the policies they propose.

Likewise I think many of the conspiracy theories to which you ascribe are best dismissed with Hanlon's Razor:

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity",

So what is your explanation for the preponderance of black on white crime and the all too frequent sensless viciousness manifested in it? And dont tell me it's because they werent raised in Montanas loving atmosphere.

The numbers show that violent crime crosses racial boundaries infrequently. You aren't interested in the answer to your question. If you were, you'd look at the crime rate of black Americans who grow up in two parent homes outside of the ghetto and have an opportunity for a good education and learn a little from it.

Not having drank the kool-aid, I know the answer.

Tell us then, how to keep the parents together? So, you want a few men and a few baby mommas living in the same house together? I'm sure that would work out real good. They essentially do that in the projects, a very nice place. Try it out and give us a report from a more "educated" position.

Tell us how civil they are in Afreaka.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

How would I have known who was out there and what level of threat they posed in advance? That's the whole reason I went out there.

Paul, you should stay in the kitchen with the women & 'flave too.

When you gonna take us up on the self-policing challenge?

It's gonna be funny to see you three laying there with ass holes looking like the top end of a tuna can.

LMAO

Originally Posted by jaguartx

But it's ok when the popo are the aggressors when trying to stop, investigate, or arrest someone.

Here's a novel idea.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Paul wants his freedom (or more like license), but none of the responsibility.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by jaguartx

But it's ok when the popo are the aggressors when trying to stop, investigate, or arrest someone.

Here's a novel idea.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Paul wants his freedom (or more like license), but none of the responsibility.

I got the PERFECT neighborhood to demonstrate the efficiency of a well regulated militia.

PERFECT.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

TRH,

It's not so much that you are rude, but disappointing. I'm disappointed that a man of your intelligence, has allowed himself to abandon his skepticism in pursuit of half baked conspiracy theories, especially those founded in racial bigotry . You know The Constitution and founding principles better than most, but for you the proposition that all men are created equal seem to only encompass non-Jewish white males.

No one here is denying there's problems within the black community. I've suggested that if it's what some here really want to discuss, lets not conflate the two issues and start a separate thread on that separate subject, because conflating the two, doesn't help.

You are way to serious a person, especially as a concealed carrier to not take seriously the facts as laid out in the video I presented, regardless of the race of the pro-2A attorney presenting them. You watch the Active Self Defense video's. I expect you are aware the aggressors violated about every principle there is pertaining to armed self defense. So yes, I'm disappointed you went straight to "oh of course he black", as opposed to actually addressing the content of his speech.

You share with the left a tendency to impute evil on those with whom you disagree. I don't consider you to be evil because you disagree with me on many subjects. I just assume that it's due to many years of programming, starting in early childhood, that you are unable to overcome or rise above.

Again you disappoint me with your failure to pay attention. I'm actually on the opposite end of that spectrum. "Evil" generally required intent. Most liberals are not evil, they are just wrong, and unable to see the consequences of the policies they propose.

Likewise I think many of the conspiracy theories to which you ascribe are best dismissed with Hanlon's Razor:

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity",

So what is your explanation for the preponderance of black on white crime and the all too frequent sensless viciousness manifested in it? And dont tell me it's because they werent raised in Montanas loving atmosphere.

The numbers show that violent crime crosses racial boundaries infrequently. You aren't interested in the answer to your question. If you were, you'd look at the crime rate of black Americans who grow up in two parent homes outside of the ghetto and have an opportunity for a good education and learn a little from it.

Not having drank the kool-aid, I know the answer.

Tell us then, how to keep the parents together? So, you want a few men and a few baby mommas living in the same house together? I'm sure that would work out real good. They essentially do that in the projects, a very nice place. Try it out and give us a report from a more "educated" position.

Tell us how civil they are in Afreaka.

I was right. You aren't interested.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by deflave

Jag and Tyrone,

Fly on out.

We'll put your theories to the test. 45 minutes in a self-policed community.

You can't run, and you can't fight.

LMAO

We had a heroin addict breaking into cars at night recently.
I heard some commotion on the blind side of my house where some cars are parked, so I went out to see what was going on. Should I have been killed for that?

LOL! The neighbor's guest never knew I had a .38 in my hand.

That's my self-policing community.

There is definitely a fundamental Conflict of Visions (Thomas Sowell, author) on display in this thread.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Not having drank the kool-aid, I know the answer.

Tell us then, how to keep the parents together? So, you want a few men and a few baby mommas living in the same house together? I'm sure that would work out real good. They essentially do that in the projects, a very nice place. Try it out and give us a report from a more "educated" position.

Tell us how civil they are in Afreaka.

Brilliant reply, doctor.

He on the ropes now.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by jaguartx

But it's ok when the popo are the aggressors when trying to stop, investigate, or arrest someone.

Here's a novel idea.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Paul wants his freedom (or more like license), but none of the responsibility.

I got the PERFECT neighborhood to demonstrate the efficiency of a well regulated militia.

PERFECT.

I hope you aren't suggesting I walk around a black neighborhood.

What was the murder rate in the wild west shootem up town of Dodge City Kansas in the 1880s.

Iirc it averaged out to about 2-3 per 100,000.

What is it in Detroit, Chitcago, Philly or St Louis now?

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Oh. In that case, sorry he was traumatized.

Why did your parents give you a black name?

Did they know something we don't?

Das racis.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Not having drank the kool-aid, I know the answer.

Tell us then, how to keep the parents together? So, you want a few men and a few baby mommas living in the same house together? I'm sure that would work out real good. They essentially do that in the projects, a very nice place. Try it out and give us a report from a more "educated" position.

Tell us how civil they are in Afreaka.

Brilliant reply, doctor.

He on the ropes now.

Hahaha. Tff.

Too bad the truth isnt PC enough for you.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by jaguartx

But it's ok when the popo are the aggressors when trying to stop, investigate, or arrest someone.

Here's a novel idea.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Paul wants his freedom (or more like license), but none of the responsibility.

I am a retired member of the Armed Forces. That came with a responsibility for my freedom and yours. I do not see it as my responsibility to enter into an armed confrontation with an empty handed man who walked through an open house under construction. Simply because when I think about these things I quickly recognize that they can go as they did in this case. Who among us wants to be in the killer's shoes?

Originally Posted by Tyrone

I hope you aren't suggesting I walk around a black neighborhood.

It's not about color.

It's about self-policing.

Nobody. But none of us can imagine why the dead guy decided to commit suicide either.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

What was the murder rate in the wild west shootem up town of Dodge City Kansas in the 1880s.

Iirc it averaged out to about 2-3 per 100,000.

What is it in Detroit, Chitcago, Philly or St Louis now?

You are on a heater here brother. First equating murder and suspected burglary, now comparing our modern day society to one of 150 years ago.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

I hope you aren't suggesting I walk around a black neighborhood.

It's not about color.

It's about self-policing.

BS. You were going to suggest a minority neighborhood.
BTW, you are in fantasy land if you think there's a neighborhood in the US that isn't policed by LE.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Nobody. But none of us can imagine why the dead guy decided to commit suicide either.

That's why prudent men wait to hear facts.

Instead of cackling like a Tyrone about schit they have no knowledge of.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Nobody. But none of us can imagine why the dead guy decided to commit suicide either.

That's why prudent men wait to hear facts.

Instead of cackling like a Tyrone about schit they have no knowledge of.

Like self-policed neighborhoods?

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I do not see it as my responsibility to enter into an armed confrontation with an empty handed man who walked through an open house under construction. Simply because when I think about these things I quickly recognize that they can go as they did in this case.

How could they have known in advance that he was unarmed? I have a pistol that's so small it fits on a belt buckle.

We all know that when you are armed, there is still a chance that you are going to be attacked. However, that chance is lower than if you are unarmed.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Nobody. But none of us can imagine why the dead guy decided to commit suicide either.

I can imagine what it would be like to be confronted by two pieces of human schidt, getting away, then having them come back and accost me with a shotgun. Fight or flight would kick in. Would I run fearing I would be shot in the back, fold and fear I may be killed yet, or try to disarm those accosting me? Heck, I got called a pussy for calling out shameful racist language, but I wouldn't be a pussy if I folded in the face of aggression. Interesting world here in THT. It sure is confusing knowing when to be a badass.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

I hope you aren't suggesting I walk around a black neighborhood.

It's not about color.

It's about self-policing.

BS. You were going to suggest a minority neighborhood.
BTW, you are in fantasy land if you think there's a neighborhood in the US that isn't policed by LE.

Oh I get it.

You’ve been sheltered your whole life.

That’s why you’re so stupid.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Nobody. But none of us can imagine why the dead guy decided to commit suicide either.

That's why prudent men wait to hear facts.

Instead of cackling like a Tyrone about schit they have no knowledge of.

Like self-policed neighborhoods?

Yes. That is also something you have no knowledge of.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I do not see it as my responsibility to enter into an armed confrontation with an empty handed man who walked through an open house under construction. Simply because when I think about these things I quickly recognize that they can go as they did in this case.

How could they have known in advance that he was unarmed? I have a pistol that's so small it fits on a belt buckle.

We all know that when you are armed, there is still a chance that you are going to be attacked. However, that chance is lower than if you are unarmed.

If ever there were a case against confronting an empty handed man thought to be the one who was guilty of walking through an open house under construction, the fact that he may be armed would pretty much seal the deal for me.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Nobody. But none of us can imagine why the dead guy decided to commit suicide either.

That's why prudent men wait to hear facts.

Instead of cackling like a Tyrone about schit they have no knowledge of.

Like self-policed neighborhoods?

Yes. That is also something you have no knowledge of.

Name the city & neighborhood.

LOL

You stupid pampered fugk.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Nobody. But none of us can imagine why the dead guy decided to commit suicide either.

I can imagine what it would be like to be confronted by two pieces of human schidt, getting away, then having them come back and accost me with a shotgun. Fight or flight would kick in. Would I run fearing I would be shot in the back, fold and fear I may be killed yet, or try to disarm those accosting me? Heck, I got called a pussy for calling out shameful racist language, but I wouldn't be a pussy if I folded in the face of aggression. Interesting world here in THT. It sure is confusing knowing when to be a badass.

Why do you call them pieces of schit? Especially while giving the jogger a pass?

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Nobody. But none of us can imagine why the dead guy decided to commit suicide either.

I can imagine what it would be like to be confronted by two pieces of human schidt, getting away, then having them come back and accost me with a shotgun. Fight or flight would kick in. Would I run fearing I would be shot in the back, fold and fear I may be killed yet, or try to disarm those accosting me? Heck, I got called a pussy for calling out shameful racist language, but I wouldn't be a pussy if I folded in the face of aggression. Interesting world here in THT. It sure is confusing knowing when to be a badass.

Why do you call them pieces of schit? Especially while giving the jogger a pass?

Dey White.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Your missing the obvious here... Arbery isnt on trial....

He most certainly will be on trial by the criminal defense. His aggressive actions toward the shooter will have to be the basis of defense. So, while Arbery won't be on trial his actions certainly will be. To me it seems he was justified in attempting to disarm the man with a gun, but there is so much not known right now. The video seems to indicate an aggravated assault with a firearm. You can't outrun a load from a shotgun. Would a reasonable man have done what the two white men did? Would a reasonable man have tried to defend himself and disarm an attacker. Yes, Arbery's actions will be on trial.

Originally Posted by deflave

LOL

You stupid pampered fugk.

I knew you'd pussy out on the one, dumb fah uck.

Typical for you, every time you paint yourself into a corner you resort to a chucklehead response in an attempt to hide your ignorance.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Nobody. But none of us can imagine why the dead guy decided to commit suicide either.

I can imagine what it would be like to be confronted by two pieces of human schidt, getting away, then having them come back and accost me with a shotgun. Fight or flight would kick in. Would I run fearing I would be shot in the back, fold and fear I may be killed yet, or try to disarm those accosting me? Heck, I got called a pussy for calling out shameful racist language, but I wouldn't be a pussy if I folded in the face of aggression. Interesting world here in THT. It sure is confusing knowing when to be a badass.

Bad tactic, he could only confront kne leaving the other free to fire. Simply stopping and talking would have been a more effective response

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Nobody. But none of us can imagine why the dead guy decided to commit suicide either.

I can imagine what it would be like to be confronted by two pieces of human schidt, getting away, then having them come back and accost me with a shotgun. Fight or flight would kick in. Would I run fearing I would be shot in the back, fold and fear I may be killed yet, or try to disarm those accosting me? Heck, I got called a pussy for calling out shameful racist language, but I wouldn't be a pussy if I folded in the face of aggression. Interesting world here in THT. It sure is confusing knowing when to be a badass.

Why do you call them pieces of schit? Especially while giving the jogger a pass?

I can tell by looking at them and by their actions they are POS's. In which post did I give the jogger a pass.? He may have been a POS too, but that coupled with the crime of walking through an empty house under construction isn't a capital offense.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I do not see it as my responsibility to enter into an armed confrontation with an empty handed man who walked through an open house under construction. Simply because when I think about these things I quickly recognize that they can go as they did in this case. Who among us wants to be in the killer's shoes?

Like most debates here, many people see things as black or white and argue those points ad nauseam. But the world is often very GRAY.

A few here suggest the jogger was the aggressor, and the 2 white men were well within their rights, because they suspected (or even saw) the jogger peek into a house.

That sets the premise, that I should meet every car that doesn't use a blinker to turn into my cul-de-sac, with a shotgun in the face. Neighbor didn't buckle up before backing out of their driveway? Shotgun to the face. We weird ass next door neighbor stepping onto my property to look into my garbage can? Shotgun to the face.

Of course, everyone here will agree those are ridiculous scenarios.

So it appears there ARE shades of gray in this argument. My view is, self policing with firearms involved should be the exception for only the most dire of circumstances, not the norm. Because bottom line, if you pull a firearm out without the express intent of immediately protecting your life or the life of your family, you've potentially crossed into a place where your freedom, and your financial future is dependent on some gun-hating libtard sitting on a jury, stewing about how you have a gun. Even if you were in the right.

So no, I will not risk even the slightest chance of jail time or civil suite for some petty crime, like these 2 dumbfuggs did. And the jogger was stupid as chit for what he did, too. Clusterfugg all the way around.

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Your missing the obvious here... Arbery isnt on trial....

He most certainly will be on trial by the criminal defense. His aggressive actions toward the shooter will have to be the basis of defense. So, while Arbery won't be on trial his actions certainly will be. To me it seems he was justified in attempting to disarm the man with a gun, but there is so much not known right now. The video seems to indicate an aggravated assault with a firearm. You can't outrun a load from a shotgun. Would a reasonable man have done what the two white men did? Would a reasonable man have tried to defend himself and disarm an attacker. Yes, Arbery's actions will be on trial.

Aggressive or defensive actions against the killer?

Originally Posted by duck911

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I do not see it as my responsibility to enter into an armed confrontation with an empty handed man who walked through an open house under construction. Simply because when I think about these things I quickly recognize that they can go as they did in this case. Who among us wants to be in the killer's shoes?

Like most debates here, many people see things as black or white and argue those points ad nauseam. But the world is often very GRAY.

A few here suggest the jogger was the aggressor, and the 2 white men were well within their rights, because they suspected (or even saw) the jogger peek into a house.

That sets the premise, that I should meet every car that doesn't use a blinker to turn into my cul-de-sac, with a shotgun in the face. Neighbor didn't buckle up before backing out of their driveway? Shotgun to the face. We weird ass next door neighbor stepping onto my property to look into my garbage can? Shotgun to the face.

Of course, everyone here will agree those are ridiculous scenarios.

So it appears there ARE shades of gray in this argument. My view is, self policing with firearms involved should be the exception for only the most dire of circumstances, not the norm. Because bottom line, if you pull a firearm out without the express intent of immediately protecting your life or the life of your family, you've potentially crossed into a place where your freedom, and your financial future is dependent on some gun-hating libtard sitting on a jury, stewing about how you have a gun. Even if you were in the right.

So no, I will not risk even the slightest chance of jail time or civil suite for some petty crime, like these 2 dumbfuggs did. And the jogger was stupid as chit for what he did, too. Clusterfugg all the way around.

That is entirely to goddam reasonable of a comment for this schidtshow.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Your missing the obvious here... Arbery isnt on trial....

He most certainly will be on trial by the criminal defense. His aggressive actions toward the shooter will have to be the basis of defense. So, while Arbery won't be on trial his actions certainly will be. To me it seems he was justified in attempting to disarm the man with a gun, but there is so much not known right now. The video seems to indicate an aggravated assault with a firearm. You can't outrun a load from a shotgun. Would a reasonable man have done what the two white men did? Would a reasonable man have tried to defend himself and disarm an attacker. Yes, Arbery's actions will be on trial.

Aggressive or defensive actions against the killer?

He was aggressively defending himself is the way it looks to me, but we'll see how the legal system and Georgia law see it.

Originally Posted by duck911

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I do not see it as my responsibility to enter into an armed confrontation with an empty handed man who walked through an open house under construction. Simply because when I think about these things I quickly recognize that they can go as they did in this case. Who among us wants to be in the killer's shoes?

Like most debates here, many people see things as black or white and argue those points ad nauseam. But the world is often very GRAY.

A few here suggest the jogger was the aggressor, and the 2 white men were well within their rights, because they suspected (or even saw) the jogger peek into a house.

That sets the premise, that I should meet every car that doesn't use a blinker to turn into my cul-de-sac, with a shotgun in the face. Neighbor didn't buckle up before backing out of their driveway? Shotgun to the face. We weird ass next door neighbor stepping onto my property to look into my garbage can? Shotgun to the face.

Of course, everyone here will agree those are ridiculous scenarios.

So it appears there ARE shades of gray in this argument. My view is, self policing with firearms involved should be the exception for only the most dire of circumstances, not the norm. Because bottom line, if you pull a firearm out without the express intent of immediately protecting your life or the life of your family, you've potentially crossed into a place where your freedom, and your financial future is dependent on some gun-hating libtard sitting on a jury, stewing about how you have a gun. Even if you were in the right.

So no, I will not risk even the slightest chance of jail time or civil suite for some petty crime, like these 2 dumbfuggs did. And the jogger was stupid as chit for what he did, too. Clusterfugg all the way around.

Good post.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by deflave

LOL

You stupid pampered fugk.

I knew you'd pussy out on the one, dumb fah uck.

Typical for you, every time you paint yourself into a corner you resort to a chucklehead response in an attempt to hide your ignorance.

I can't stop laughing...

You're from the south, aren't you?

Oh, and just to answer your incredibly stupid fugking question, take a stroll through Englewood sometime. It's in Chicago. Tell one of those young entrepreneur's on the street corner that you are going to call the police.

When you get done with that eye opening experience, I got about 150 more I can give you.

Take video. LMFAO

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by deflave

LOL

You stupid pampered fugk.

I knew you'd pussy out on the one, dumb fah uck.

Typical for you, every time you paint yourself into a corner you resort to a chucklehead response in an attempt to hide your ignorance.

You're from the south, aren't you?

You are a geographist.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by duck911

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I do not see it as my responsibility to enter into an armed confrontation with an empty handed man who walked through an open house under construction. Simply because when I think about these things I quickly recognize that they can go as they did in this case. Who among us wants to be in the killer's shoes?

Like most debates here, many people see things as black or white and argue those points ad nauseam. But the world is often very GRAY.

A few here suggest the jogger was the aggressor, and the 2 white men were well within their rights, because they suspected (or even saw) the jogger peek into a house.

That sets the premise, that I should meet every car that doesn't use a blinker to turn into my cul-de-sac, with a shotgun in the face. Neighbor didn't buckle up before backing out of their driveway? Shotgun to the face. We weird ass next door neighbor stepping onto my property to look into my garbage can? Shotgun to the face.

Of course, everyone here will agree those are ridiculous scenarios.

So it appears there ARE shades of gray in this argument. My view is, self policing with firearms involved should be the exception for only the most dire of circumstances, not the norm. Because bottom line, if you pull a firearm out without the express intent of immediately protecting your life or the life of your family, you've potentially crossed into a place where your freedom, and your financial future is dependent on some gun-hating libtard sitting on a jury, stewing about how you have a gun. Even if you were in the right.

So no, I will not risk even the slightest chance of jail time or civil suite for some petty crime, like these 2 dumbfuggs did. And the jogger was stupid as chit for what he did, too. Clusterfugg all the way around.

That is entirely to goddam reasonable of a comment for this schidtshow.

Oh, jogger didnt signal a left turn on his run? Well, that sheds a whole new light on the problem.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Why not? We've always had the eunuchs guard the harem.

Only eunuchs in modernity I’m aware of are the castratos the homo papists diddled after listening to them sing.

That sounds pretty weird to me, not that there's anything wrong with that, if that's what you like.

I believe he's accusing you of being a Catholic.

Oh. In that case, sorry he was traumatized.

I've no doubt you are sorry for a lot of things lol. Least of all being sodomized by your priest.

You have invested a lot of time in this thread, why can't you answer my simple questions?

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by jaguartx

What was the murder rate in the wild west shootem up town of Dodge City Kansas in the 1880s.

Iirc it averaged out to about 2-3 per 100,000.

What is it in Detroit, Chitcago, Philly or St Louis now?

You are on a heater here brother. First equating murder and suspected burglary, now comparing our modern day society to one of 150 years ago.

Sorry you coundnt make the mental leap from a time when society was much more involved in taking care of neighborhood problems than is socially acceptable nowadays.

When more self policing was the norm most criminals were rehabilitated before developing arm long rap sheets.

https://www.gpbnews.org/post/listen-911-dispatcher-doesn-t-understand-what-arbery-doing-wrong

Remember earlier when I said that after reading the GA law, I thought what the killer KNEW would come into play legally?

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

I knew you'd pussy out on the one, dumb fah uck.

Typical for you, every time you paint yourself into a corner you resort to a chucklehead response in an attempt to hide your ignorance.

I can't stop laughing...

You're from the south, aren't you?

Oh, and just to answer your incredibly stupid fugking question, take a stroll through Englewood sometime. It's in Chicago. Tell one of those young entrepreneur's on the street corner that you are going to call the police.

When you get done with that eye opening experience, I got about 150 more I can give you.

Take video. LMFAO

There were 84,717 arrests in Chicago in 2018. What are you saying? That none of them were in Englewood? That they stopped arresting people between 2018 and now? 84,717 arrests doesn't sound "self-policed" to me.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

I knew you'd pussy out on the one, dumb fah uck.

Typical for you, every time you paint yourself into a corner you resort to a chucklehead response in an attempt to hide your ignorance.

I can't stop laughing...

You're from the south, aren't you?

Oh, and just to answer your incredibly stupid fugking question, take a stroll through Englewood sometime. It's in Chicago. Tell one of those young entrepreneur's on the street corner that you are going to call the police.

When you get done with that eye opening experience, I got about 150 more I can give you.

Take video. LMFAO

There were 84,717 arrests in Chicago in 2018. What are you saying? That none of them were in Englewood? That they stopped arresting people between 2018 and now? 84,717 arrests doesn't sound "self-policed" to me.

I love the confidence your google searches bring to the table.

LOL

Are you from the south?

So some probable theiving groid cased out a housing construction site.
More than likely looking for power tools to pawn or copper materials to sell.
Found nothing or confirmed schit to get later.
Gets seen by a couple of Bubba,s.
Hauls azz " supposedly jogging"

Gets killed by the father and son dynamic duo.

Good ole boy legal types write it off.
Justifiable homicide....
Ah huh.......

Video sufaces couple months later of the groid getting whacked.
Nother vid surfaces of groid casing the construction site.

WGAF........

Dynamic duo
15 to 20 manslaughter plea eventually.

Groids in area gonna riot.......
Even though dead groid was more than likely a fugging thief his entire life.

Dumbazz bubba,s.....
No need to go all supertackleberry " citizen arrest" and kill the groid.
Have fun in prison you 2 stupid fuggs.
The brothers in the joint gonna love you 2. That is if ya aint in Seg for your entire sentance.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

https://www.gpbnews.org/post/listen-911-dispatcher-doesn-t-understand-what-arbery-doing-wrong

Remember earlier when I said that after reading the GA law, I thought what the killer KNEW would come into play legally?

So you’ve gone from getting your analysis of applicable statutes and law from a lawyer who failed the bar three times to a dispatcher?

I like how you’ve completely failed to address the analysis of the facts and statutes of Robert Barnes that I linked in this thread.

Shotguns, chasing, trespassing, avoiding, fighting over a gun....what a mess....the force of stupid here is off the charts. One man dead, two men going to prison. I resent it being called a lynching, its just a political attempt to surface old wounds. OTOH, the two Mensa members made a decision that resulted in a mans death with the most serious crime he could be convicted of as robbery, they should do a long time in prison, I have zero sympathy for them. In my life I have inevitably found that extreme concentrations of stupid always result in a death or disability.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

I knew you'd pussy out on the one, dumb fah uck.

Typical for you, every time you paint yourself into a corner you resort to a chucklehead response in an attempt to hide your ignorance.

I can't stop laughing...

You're from the south, aren't you?

Oh, and just to answer your incredibly stupid fugking question, take a stroll through Englewood sometime. It's in Chicago. Tell one of those young entrepreneur's on the street corner that you are going to call the police.

When you get done with that eye opening experience, I got about 150 more I can give you.

Take video. LMFAO

There were 84,717 arrests in Chicago in 2018. What are you saying? That none of them were in Englewood? That they stopped arresting people between 2018 and now? 84,717 arrests doesn't sound "self-policed" to me.

I love the confidence your google searches bring to the table.

LOL

Are you from the south?

Not Tyrone, but the south is where Mt and other places in Yankee land get their motion lotion and heating oil from. Of course, we get plenty of BS and DNC politicians from voters up north.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can tell by looking at them and by their actions they are POS's. In which post did I give the jogger a pass.? He may have been a POS too, but that coupled with the crime of walking through an empty house under construction isn't a capital offense.

Your response implies that an execution took place, which it didn't. The two men armed themselves, as is their right, in order to defend themselves in the event that, while making a lawful arrest of a burglar, said burglar should resort to violence against them, which he in fact did. At which point, the right of lethal force in self-defense becomes the legal issue. The question of capital offense is an intentional red herring on your part, designed to cast the two defendants as villains.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

https://www.gpbnews.org/post/listen-911-dispatcher-doesn-t-understand-what-arbery-doing-wrong

Remember earlier when I said that after reading the GA law, I thought what the killer KNEW would come into play legally?

So you’ve gone from getting your analysis of applicable statutes and law from a lawyer who failed the bar three times to a dispatcher?

I like how you’ve completely failed to address the analysis of the facts and statutes of Robert Barnes that I linked in this thread.

It is entirely possible that I missed your links in this 120 page schidtshow. If you will post them again, I'll read and respond thoughtfully.

Do you not believe the citizens arrest laws of the state of GA will come into play?

If they were villainous pieces of schit intent upon executing an innocent black jogger, they were exceedingly incompetent at it. Hell, they nearly let said jogger take a shotgun away from one of them before they got around to shooting him. I don’t know what the world is coming to when a villainous racist piece of schit isn’t even smart enough to shoot a black man from the bed of a pickup at no risk to himself.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

https://www.gpbnews.org/post/listen-911-dispatcher-doesn-t-understand-what-arbery-doing-wrong

Remember earlier when I said that after reading the GA law, I thought what the killer KNEW would come into play legally?

So you’ve gone from getting your analysis of applicable statutes and law from a lawyer who failed the bar three times to a dispatcher?

I like how you’ve completely failed to address the analysis of the facts and statutes of Robert Barnes that I linked in this thread.

It is entirely possible that I missed your links in this 120 page schidtshow. If you will post them again, I'll read and respond thoughtfully.

Do you not believe the citizens arrest laws of the state of GA will come into play?

Probably, and they were probably following them and legally entitled to do what they did.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can tell by looking at them and by their actions they are POS's. In which post did I give the jogger a pass.? He may have been a POS too, but that coupled with the crime of walking through an empty house under construction isn't a capital offense.

Your response implies that an execution took place, which it didn't. The two men armed themselves, as is their right, in order to defend themselves in the event that, while making a lawful arrest of a burglar, said burglar should resort to violence against them, which he in fact did. At which point, the right of lethal force in self-defense becomes the legal issue. The question of capital offense is an intentional red herring on your part, designed to cast the two defendants as villains.

Doesn't GA citizens arrest law require knowledge of a felony for a citizen to prevent a person from fleeing?

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can tell by looking at them and by their actions they are POS's. In which post did I give the jogger a pass.? He may have been a POS too, but that coupled with the crime of walking through an empty house under construction isn't a capital offense.

Your response implies that an execution took place, which it didn't. The two men armed themselves, as is their right, in order to defend themselves in the event that, while making a lawful arrest of a burglar, said burglar should resort to violence against them, which he in fact did. At which point, the right of lethal force in self-defense becomes the legal issue. The question of capital offense is an intentional red herring on your part, designed to cast the two defendants as villains.

Doesn't GA citizens arrest law require knowledge of a felony for a citizen to prevent a person from fleeing?

Joe provided a video this morning explaining this law, and how the two men were within their rights to make a citizen's arrest. Didn't you watch it?

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can tell by looking at them and by their actions they are POS's. In which post did I give the jogger a pass.? He may have been a POS too, but that coupled with the crime of walking through an empty house under construction isn't a capital offense.

Your response implies that an execution took place, which it didn't. The two men armed themselves, as is their right, in order to defend themselves in the event that, while making a lawful arrest of a burglar, said burglar should resort to violence against them, which he in fact did. At which point, the right of lethal force in self-defense becomes the legal issue. The question of capital offense is an intentional red herring on your part, designed to cast the two defendants as villains.

Doesn't GA citizens arrest law require knowledge of a felony for a citizen to prevent a person from fleeing?

Nope.

Quote

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can tell by looking at them and by their actions they are POS's. In which post did I give the jogger a pass.? He may have been a POS too, but that coupled with the crime of walking through an empty house under construction isn't a capital offense.

Your response implies that an execution took place, which it didn't. The two men armed themselves, as is their right, in order to defend themselves in the event that, while making a lawful arrest of a burglar, said burglar should resort to violence against them, which he in fact did. At which point, the right of lethal force in self-defense becomes the legal issue. The question of capital offense is an intentional red herring on your part, designed to cast the two defendants as villains.

Doesn't GA citizens arrest law require knowledge of a felony for a citizen to prevent a person from fleeing?

Joe provided a video this morning explaining this law, and how the two men were within their rights to make a citizen's arrest. Didn't you watch it?

I must have missed it.

Still waiting for somebody else to get shot so this thread ends.

Anyone who hates everyone of a certain group due to race, color or creed is a phugging retard.

Having said that, anyone who ignores the fact that a certain percentage of the people in those groups may or may not have a propensity to engage in certain activities, whether good or bad, is also a phugging retard. Doesn’t negate the fact that individuals within that group may or may not share the same values, characteristics, etc, commonly attributed to that group.

The problem with us as humans is that we tend to extremes. We tend to go overboard to one end of the spectrum or the other with everything, when usually the best course of action is right down the middle where common sense lives. . .

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Tell us how civil they are in Afreaka.

Ya hadda go there..,,,,,. 🙄

OK, what would you like to know?

I was scrolling back looking for the video of that Black lawyer guys, the one who failed the bar exam twice, he gave the most lucid take I’ve seen.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can tell by looking at them and by their actions they are POS's. In which post did I give the jogger a pass.? He may have been a POS too, but that coupled with the crime of walking through an empty house under construction isn't a capital offense.

Your response implies that an execution took place, which it didn't. The two men armed themselves, as is their right, in order to defend themselves in the event that, while making a lawful arrest of a burglar, said burglar should resort to violence against them, which he in fact did. At which point, the right of lethal force in self-defense becomes the legal issue. The question of capital offense is an intentional red herring on your part, designed to cast the two defendants as villains.

Doesn't GA citizens arrest law require knowledge of a felony for a citizen to prevent a person from fleeing?

It required more then that. Basically you have to witness the crime.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Tell us how civil they are in Afreaka.

Ya hadda go there..,,,,,. 🙄

OK, what would you like to know?

I was scrolling back looking for the video of that Black lawyer guys, the one who failed the bar exam twice, he gave the most lucid take I’ve seen.

Oh schiett. Let's please not go there again.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Tell us how civil they are in Afreaka.

Ya hadda go there..,,,,,. 🙄

OK, what would you like to know?

I was scrolling back looking for the video of that Black lawyer guys, the one who failed the bar exam twice, he gave the most lucid take I’ve seen.

Oh schiett. Let's please not go there again.

This whole thread reminds me of the office scene from Joe Vs. the Volcano...

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Anyone who hates everyone of a certain group due to race, color or creed is a phugging retard.

Having said that, anyone who ignores the fact that a certain percentage of the people in those groups may or may not have a propensity to engage in certain activities, whether good or bad, is also a phugging retard. Doesn’t negate the fact that individuals within that group may or may not share the same values, characteristics, etc, commonly attributed to that group.

The problem with us as humans is that we tend to extremes. We tend to go overboard to one end of the spectrum or the other with everything, when usually the best course of action is right down the middle where common sense lives. . .

Yeah, and charging a guy with a shotgun is kinda going overboard in shark infested waters.

It is written, "Look before you leap."

Dry, it's pretty apparent the jogger was trying to steal the crackers shotgun.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can tell by looking at them and by their actions they are POS's. In which post did I give the jogger a pass.? He may have been a POS too, but that coupled with the crime of walking through an empty house under construction isn't a capital offense.

Your response implies that an execution took place, which it didn't. The two men armed themselves, as is their right, in order to defend themselves in the event that, while making a lawful arrest of a burglar, said burglar should resort to violence against them, which he in fact did. At which point, the right of lethal force in self-defense becomes the legal issue. The question of capital offense is an intentional red herring on your part, designed to cast the two defendants as villains.

Doesn't GA citizens arrest law require knowledge of a felony for a citizen to prevent a person from fleeing?

It required more then that. Basically you have to witness the crime.

And that is where I am steering the discussion. During the 911 call the former officer who made the call was repeatedly asked what the suspect was doing wrong. Repeatedly the former officer couldn't articulate criminality. That's going to present some legal problems for them. I don't think the case is a slam dunk for either side. I'll restate what I did in my entry into this thread. I have a hunch the two hicks are going to wish they hadn't done what they did irrespective of the judicial outcome. I think for us as a forum of 2A types, that's the takeaway lesson.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Anyone who hates everyone of a certain group due to race, color or creed is a phugging retard.

Having said that, anyone who ignores the fact that a certain percentage of the people in those groups may or may not have a propensity to engage in certain activities, whether good or bad, is also a phugging retard. Doesn’t negate the fact that individuals within that group may or may not share the same values, characteristics, etc, commonly attributed to that group.

The problem with us as humans is that we tend to extremes. We tend to go overboard to one end of the spectrum or the other with everything, when usually the best course of action is right down the middle where common sense lives. . .

Yeah, and charging a guy with a shotgun is kinda going overboard in shark infested waters.

It is written, "Look before you leap."

At what time mark in the video did this charge take place? What I saw was a truck stop in front of a running man and a man exit the truck with a shotgun. The jogger moved to the other lane to try to avoid the armed man by going around the passenger side. The armed man moved around to the front of the truck. So did the shooter. What time mark did you hear the first shot? What could you see at the time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzPL82QxCks

This whole situation is the results a "half wit" being shared by three individuale people , the area seems to be saturated with idiots. Every person involved has shown thier own special kind of stupid, dozens of lives ruined, the cost will continue to sky rocket, families destroyed and over bad decisions made by all involved! There is plenty of blame to be shared.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Dry, it's pretty apparent the jogger was trying to steal the crackers shotgun.

I didn’t investigate this so I’m just talking out of my ass I know. But based on everything presented so far, it appears to me that the dead dumb schit would still be alive if he was in fact just an innocent jogger out for his daily run.

He would also still be alive if dumbschits one and two, had just used a little restraint and let the cops do what they do as well. So there’s plenty of blame to go around to all three parties involved.

My take on it? Three lives ruined due to stupidity and bad judgement by everyone involved. Glad I won’t be on that jury.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

The two men armed themselves, as is their right, in order to defend themselves........

Maybe it's just me but I would think it would be difficult to convince a jury you were defending yourself when you were armed and in a truck, pursuing an unarmed guy on foot.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

There were 84,717 arrests in Chicago in 2018. What are you saying? That none of them were in Englewood? That they stopped arresting people between 2018 and now? 84,717 arrests doesn't sound "self-policed" to me.

I love the confidence your google searches bring to the table.

LOL

Are you from the south?

I love how you refuse to define what "self-policing" is. Chicago has over 44 cops per 10K population, my nearest town has 10. Which is self-policing?

You are just a chucklehead. There's nothing between your ears but air.

Originally Posted by jimy

This whole situation is the results a "half wit" being shared by three individuale people , the area seems to be saturated with idiots. Every person involved has shown a special kind of stupid, dozens of lives ruined, the cost will continue to sky rocket, families destroyed and all over bad decisions made by all involved! There is plenty of blame to be shared.

Damn, you beat me to it. I just said virtually the exact same thing...

Well, well, well

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law...od-confrontation/HGz6ZaFXYs3pkJhke22x4J/

Quote

Suspects in Arbery shooting had earlier neighborhood confrontation

By Brad Schrade Bert Roughton Jr., The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Tuesday, May 12, 2020 @ 9:10 PM

Less than two weeks before the Feb. 23 incident that left Ahmaud Arbery fatally shot in a suburb outside Brunswick, the father and son charged in the case had a confrontation with a young black man who had entered a neighboring house under construction, according to a neighbor who helped in the search.

Diego Perez accompanied Gregory McMichael, 64, and his son Travis McMichael, 34, on the Feb. 11 search and was at the shooting scene immediately after Arbery was shot on Feb. 23. Perez said he recognized Arbery as the man they had confronted earlier.

The McMichaels were arrested by the GBI last week and charged with felony murder and aggravated assault. They have been denied bond.

The Feb. 11 encounter had been prompted by a motion-sensor security camera video in the construction site that had pinged the property owner who was two hours away. The owner, Larry English, texted the video to Perez, who lived near the construction site.

Perez, who has spoken to the GBI, had offered to keep watch, and told English he’d be happy to check on the property any time. English told the AJC that he did not know the McMichaels or provide them with any camera footage. Nothing was taken from his property, he said.

Perez said he was armed when he left his home and walked up Satilla Drive that night. As he walked toward the house under construction, Perez said Travis McMichael drove up from the opposite direction, and stopped his truck.

“Travis saw him in the yard and Travis stopped,” Perez told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution on Tuesday. “He confronted (the man) halfway into the yard. He said (the man) reached for his waistband, and Travis got spooked and went down the road. “

When McMichael returned, his father, Gregory McMichael, was with him and armed, said Perez, who added the elder McMichael had called the Glynn County Police Department.

» CONTINUING COVERAGE: AHMAUD ARBERY DEATH

Perez said he found no evidence of the young man around the house. When police arrived, Perez described the vehicle to police that he believes the young man entered before it drove away. Perez said they recognized the young man who had been in other security camera videos at the construction site in the months before.

“All we knew about him was that he was the guy who kept showing up on our cameras,” Perez said. “No one knew who it was.”

Perez said he saw the man again on Feb. 23, this time motionless. Arbery lay dead on the pavement.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

TRH,

It's not so much that you are rude, but disappointing. I'm disappointed that a man of your intelligence, has allowed himself to abandon his skepticism in pursuit of half baked conspiracy theories, especially those founded in racial bigotry . You know The Constitution and founding principles better than most, but for you the proposition that all men are created equal seem to only encompass non-Jewish white males.

No one here is denying there's problems within the black community. I've suggested that if it's what some here really want to discuss, lets not conflate the two issues and start a separate thread on that separate subject, because conflating the two, doesn't help.

You are way to serious a person, especially as a concealed carrier to not take seriously the facts as laid out in the video I presented, regardless of the race of the pro-2A attorney presenting them. You watch the Active Self Defense video's. I expect you are aware the aggressors violated about every principle there is pertaining to armed self defense. So yes, I'm disappointed you went straight to "oh of course he black", as opposed to actually addressing the content of his speech.

You share with the left a tendency to impute evil on those with whom you disagree. I don't consider you to be evil because you disagree with me on many subjects. I just assume that it's due to many years of programming, starting in early childhood, that you are unable to overcome or rise above.

Again you disappoint me...

When did you start channeling Ward Cleaver?

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by jimy

This whole situation is the results a "half wit" being shared by three individuale people , the area seems to be saturated with idiots. Every person involved has shown a special kind of stupid, dozens of lives ruined, the cost will continue to sky rocket, families destroyed and all over bad decisions made by all involved! There is plenty of blame to be shared.

Damn, you beat me to it. I just said virtually the exact same thing...

People in general just don't understand how good their lives really are, when I was a young man I thought I could wrestle bears and always win, it took a few years but I found out, my theory had some holes in it, bears aren't real smart but they have better teeth when it comes to wrestling, so I use my superior brains and quit wrestling with bears.

If bears break into my home, I will go to extensive means to make sure, that my home will be the last one that they try to break in to, if I see bears breaking into my neighbors home, I will tell the cops how many picnic baskets they loaded into their car.

I'm a live, and leave me the f~ck alone , sorta guy !

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Well, well, well

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law...od-confrontation/HGz6ZaFXYs3pkJhke22x4J/

Quote

“All we knew about him was that he was the guy who kept showing up on our cameras,” Perez said. “No one knew who it was.”

Two encounters where a crime was not identified by the shooter. Looks like the bad news just keeps piling up against him on the citizens arrest front.

Originally Posted by jimy

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by jimy

This whole situation is the results a "half wit" being shared by three individuale people , the area seems to be saturated with idiots. Every person involved has shown a special kind of stupid, dozens of lives ruined, the cost will continue to sky rocket, families destroyed and all over bad decisions made by all involved! There is plenty of blame to be shared.

Damn, you beat me to it. I just said virtually the exact same thing...

People in general just don't understand how good their lives really are, when I was a young man I thought I could wrestle bears and always win, it took a few years but I found out, my theory had some holes in it, bears aren't real smart but they have better teeth when it comes to wrestling, so I use my superior brains and quit wrestling with bears.

If bears break into my home, I will go to extensive means to make sure, that my home will be the last one that they try to break in to, if I see bears breaking into my neighbors home, I will tell the cops how many picnic baskets they loaded into their car.

I'm a live, and leave me the f~ck alone , sorta guy !

No Jimy, according to this group you are a coward for not getting involved in a confrontation with the bear. But if the bear had tracked you down and hovered over you as if poised to kill you, you were supposed to play dead.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Well, well, well

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law...od-confrontation/HGz6ZaFXYs3pkJhke22x4J/

Quote

“All we knew about him was that he was the guy who kept showing up on our cameras,” Perez said. “No one knew who it was.”

Two encounters where a crime was not identified by the shooter. Looks like the bad news just keeps piling up against him on the citizens arrest front.

Figured that’s what you would take out of that. You’ve been pretty consistently wrong so far, no need to change now.

But for anyone else, you might take out of it that Mr. English and his new lawyer, if not outright lying, certainly left out a lot. For instance, he knew someone was getting in there and didn’t like it. He asked a neighbor for help and sent him the pics. That same neighbor later had a confrontation with the same man along with Travis McMillan. Said, man acted as if he had a gun and escaped in a car. The man in the pics, the man confronted later, and the dead jogger were all the same person.

What can you take from that? English asked for help. The neighbors confronted the man so there can be no chance that he was some innocent guy looking at a construction site. He knew he didn’t belong there and wasn’t welcome. The neighbors all talked about and presumably everyone had seen the pictures.

As I type this, I’m sitting in my yard on my patio furniture enjoying the morning breeze. Five minutes ago, I shot a rabbit with a pellet gun because it dug a hole in one of my planters behind a very expensive plant. I didn’t want to shoot the critter. We enjoy watching them. Problem is there’s too many in the neighborhood now. They wreak havoc on the landscaping.

I chased this particular one away multiple times . He wouldn’t leave, and kept coming back - as I knew he would. I sprayed him with water, chased him off, threw rocks etc. but most of that was for the benefit of the wife. I knew ultimately how it was gonna end. And in the end it was her who told me to just get the pellet gun. She got fed up with him too.

Again, I’m not saying this guy deserved to die. But if you push a few too many times, don’t be surprised when people push back. There is only so much people are willing to take.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by jimy

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by jimy

This whole situation is the results a "half wit" being shared by three individuale people , the area seems to be saturated with idiots. Every person involved has shown a special kind of stupid, dozens of lives ruined, the cost will continue to sky rocket, families destroyed and all over bad decisions made by all involved! There is plenty of blame to be shared.

Damn, you beat me to it. I just said virtually the exact same thing...

People in general just don't understand how good their lives really are, when I was a young man I thought I could wrestle bears and always win, it took a few years but I found out, my theory had some holes in it, bears aren't real smart but they have better teeth when it comes to wrestling, so I use my superior brains and quit wrestling with bears.

If bears break into my home, I will go to extensive means to make sure, that my home will be the last one that they try to break in to, if I see bears breaking into my neighbors home, I will tell the cops how many picnic baskets they loaded into their car.

I'm a live, and leave me the f~ck alone , sorta guy !

No Jimy, according to this group you are a coward for not getting involved in a confrontation with the bear. But if the bear had tracked you down and hovered over you as if poised to kill you, you were supposed to play dead.

I have more to lose than most bears, a wife and daughter that love me , a beautiful home and land that I live on and enjoy, a bear only has his hide to lose....

Originally Posted by jimy

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by jimy

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by jimy

This whole situation is the results a "half wit" being shared by three individuale people , the area seems to be saturated with idiots. Every person involved has shown a special kind of stupid, dozens of lives ruined, the cost will continue to sky rocket, families destroyed and all over bad decisions made by all involved! There is plenty of blame to be shared.

Damn, you beat me to it. I just said virtually the exact same thing...

People in general just don't understand how good their lives really are, when I was a young man I thought I could wrestle bears and always win, it took a few years but I found out, my theory had some holes in it, bears aren't real smart but they have better teeth when it comes to wrestling, so I use my superior brains and quit wrestling with bears.

If bears break into my home, I will go to extensive means to make sure, that my home will be the last one that they try to break in to, if I see bears breaking into my neighbors home, I will tell the cops how many picnic baskets they loaded into their car.

I'm a live, and leave me the f~ck alone , sorta guy !

No Jimy, according to this group you are a coward for not getting involved in a confrontation with the bear. But if the bear had tracked you down and hovered over you as if poised to kill you, you were supposed to play dead.

I have more to lose than most bears, a wife and daughter that love me , a beautiful home and land that I live on and enjoy, a bear only has his hide to lose....

Whoa, it's almost like you admitted to me and everyone that you do risk vs gain assessment before you act.

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by jimy

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by jimy

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Originally Posted by jimy

This whole situation is the results a "half wit" being shared by three individuale people , the area seems to be saturated with idiots. Every person involved has shown a special kind of stupid, dozens of lives ruined, the cost will continue to sky rocket, families destroyed and all over bad decisions made by all involved! There is plenty of blame to be shared.

Damn, you beat me to it. I just said virtually the exact same thing...

People in general just don't understand how good their lives really are, when I was a young man I thought I could wrestle bears and always win, it took a few years but I found out, my theory had some holes in it, bears aren't real smart but they have better teeth when it comes to wrestling, so I use my superior brains and quit wrestling with bears.

If bears break into my home, I will go to extensive means to make sure, that my home will be the last one that they try to break in to, if I see bears breaking into my neighbors home, I will tell the cops how many picnic baskets they loaded into their car.

I'm a live, and leave me the f~ck alone , sorta guy !

No Jimy, according to this group you are a coward for not getting involved in a confrontation with the bear. But if the bear had tracked you down and hovered over you as if poised to kill you, you were supposed to play dead.

I have more to lose than most bears, a wife and daughter that love me , a beautiful home and land that I live on and enjoy, a bear only has his hide to lose....

Whoa, it's almost like you admitted to me and everyone that you do risk vs gain assessment before you act.

No its already been done, the reasons that I would shoot a bear are very clear in my mind, it has nothing to do with risk, it has to do with priorities !

If they get convicted, they’re fuct.

If they don’t don’t convicted, they’re fuct.

P

Originally Posted by smokepole

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

The two men armed themselves, as is their right, in order to defend themselves........

Maybe it's just me but I would think it would be difficult to convince a jury you were defending yourself when you were armed and in a truck, pursuing an unarmed guy on foot.

If you carry CCW, as many here do, then you are arming yourself while interacting with unarmed people every day. Why? Isn't it in order to defend yourself should someone bring unlawful violence your way? This is why these two men armed themselves, too. In fact, it was more likely they'd need to arm themselves for self-defense while attempting to make an arrest of a burglar than it is likely that you would need to arm yourself in order to make a run to the store for some milk.

Hahaha!

They shoulda just had a bigger grill guard then....for self defense you know.....

PS Several times in the past 10 years, my next door neighbor has texted me, asking me to check his house and property because his home security system alerted him via his smart phone. I obliged, and I was surely armed each time. Would that fact deny me a claim of self-defense if someone charged me and attempted to grab my gun?

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Well, well, well

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law...od-confrontation/HGz6ZaFXYs3pkJhke22x4J/

Quote

“All we knew about him was that he was the guy who kept showing up on our cameras,” Perez said. “No one knew who it was.”

Two encounters where a crime was not identified by the shooter. Looks like the bad news just keeps piling up against him on the citizens arrest front.

Figured that’s what you would take out of that. You’ve been pretty consistently wrong so far, no need to change now.

But for anyone else, you might take out of it that Mr. English and his new lawyer, if not outright lying, certainly left out a lot. For instance, he knew someone was getting in there and didn’t like it. He asked a neighbor for help and sent him the pics. That same neighbor later had a confrontation with the same man along with Travis McMillan. Said, man acted as if he had a gun and escaped in a car. The man in the pics, the man confronted later, and the dead jogger were all the same person.

What can you take from that? English asked for help. The neighbors confronted the man so there can be no chance that he was some innocent guy looking at a construction site. He knew he didn’t belong there and wasn’t welcome. The neighbors all talked about and presumably everyone had seen the pictures.

You seem to think it's a legal slam dunk. It is not. The basis for the confrontation was a citizens arrest. GA law requires
that anyone effecting an arrest have knowledge of a crime, and that to prevent escape the crime would have to be a felony. During a phone call to 911 the party attempting to effect a citizens was an ex cop. An ex cop should be familiar enough with criminal offenses to articulate one when he sees it. Yet when asked multiple times what the suspect was doing wrong, the ex cop could not articulate a crime. You don't think that's a complicating factor. I do.

Now we have evidence of a previous encounter between the two. Unless I missed it, there was not a police report made. If there was, it doesn't appear the suspect was arrested for a crime. Tow encounters where no crime was identified. I think that's going to present legal problems with the claim of citizens arrest. You don't.

Are you interested in making a public bet on that?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by smokepole

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

The two men armed themselves, as is their right, in order to defend themselves........

Maybe it's just me but I would think it would be difficult to convince a jury you were defending yourself when you were armed and in a truck, pursuing an unarmed guy on foot.

If you carry CCW, as many here do, then you are arming yourself while interacting with unarmed people every day. Why? Isn't it in order to defend yourself should someone bring unlawful violence your way? This is why these two men armed themselves, too. In fact, it was more likely they'd need to arm themselves for self-defense while attempting to make an arrest of a burglar than it is likely that you would need to arm yourself in order to make a run to the store for some milk.

If he was a thought to be a burglar, why couldn't the ex cop think to tell the 911 operator that when he was asked what the suspect did wrong?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

PS Several times in the past 10 years, my next door neighbor has texted me, asking me to check his house and property because his home security system alerted him via his smart phone. I obliged, and I was surely armed each time. Would that fact deny me a claim of self-defense if someone charged me and attempted to grab my gun?

Are you still at the residence, or did you see someone flee the residence then chase them down and block them while holding a firearm? PS, the last time I read FL law they were different from GAs in a very substantial way as it relates to this case.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

PS Several times in the past 10 years, my next door neighbor has texted me, asking me to check his house and property because his home security system alerted him via his smart phone. I obliged, and I was surely armed each time. Would that fact deny me a claim of self-defense if someone charged me and attempted to grab my gun?

Unless my neighbor called me from his home, and ask for my help while "actively" protecting himself and his family from harm, he can call the police, if he wants someone to risk their life for his stuff, that's what they get paid for , because if he has no actual skin in the game, then neither am I .

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

I was scrolling back looking for the video of that Black lawyer guys, the one who failed the bar exam twice, he gave the most lucid take I’ve seen.

It was three times...

That admitted to.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Not Tyrone, but the south is where Mt and other places in Yankee land get their motion lotion and heating oil from. Of course, we get plenty of BS and DNC politicians from voters up north.

Do you go in and out of consciousness while you read?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

PS Several times in the past 10 years, my next door neighbor has texted me, asking me to check his house and property because his home security system alerted him via his smart phone. I obliged, and I was surely armed each time. Would that fact deny me a claim of self-defense if someone charged me and attempted to grab my gun?

Your comparison is not very comparable to the situation at hand. But I am curious. If you had it to do and you could dispose of this case, what would you do? Bearing in mind that this happened on a public street? Personally I do believe chances are good that the "jogger" was not jogging and very well may have been casing the neighborhood. At least he was using bad judgement going onto private property in a redneck neighborhood but what right did non law enforcement neighborhood watch have in arresting his freedom of travel? The two white men especially the shooter are in serious legal jeopardy. They initiated a close quarters confrontation with a man on a public road. The "jogger" was clearly trying to disarm an attacker and I imagine it is going to be hard for the shooter to skate after initiating the contact.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

I love how you refuse to define what "self-policing" is. Chicago has over 44 cops per 10K population, my nearest town has 10. Which is self-policing?

You are just a chucklehead. There's nothing between your ears but air.

Originally Posted by jimy

I have more to lose than most bears, a wife and daughter that love me , a beautiful home and land that I live on and enjoy, a bear only has his hide to lose....

jimy,

The clowns that are debating your point of view in this thread live their lives the exact same way.

They just like to pretend otherwise.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

PS Several times in the past 10 years, my next door neighbor has texted me, asking me to check his house and property because his home security system alerted him via his smart phone. I obliged, and I was surely armed each time. Would that fact deny me a claim of self-defense if someone charged me and attempted to grab my gun?

Depends.

Does he wear his plate carrier when he checks?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

PS Several times in the past 10 years, my next door neighbor has texted me, asking me to check his house and property because his home security system alerted him via his smart phone. I obliged, and I was surely armed each time. Would that fact deny me a claim of self-defense if someone charged me and attempted to grab my gun?

Ever show that neighbor some of the stuff you post on here?

When it all comes out, I'd be surprised if they even get convicted of manslaughter. Jigger had been seen to many times in places he didn't belong, guarantee he was there to steal schit. The two dudes that chased him down are fuqked, but I doubt they'll do any time on it. I'm betting they are out on bail before long.

The african tribal leaders sold them into slavery and the first slave owner was another black african. Nothing has changed the democrats still own their slaves.

Originally Posted by mtnsnake

The african tribal leaders sold them into slavery and the first slave owner was another black african.

Slavery was ubiquitous in the old world. Its not just a black thing (however much racists like MtnSnake want to make it so). The difference between chattel slavery as embraced by the South was the idea that slavery was a positive moral good---good for the slave and master. That represented a radical break with antiquity in which slavery was universally regarded as an evil, albeit sometimes a necessary evil.

Originally Posted by add

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

I was scrolling back looking for the video of that Black lawyer guys, the one who failed the bar exam twice, he gave the most lucid take I’ve seen.

It was three times...

That admitted to.

Which proves literally nothing as to the merits of his arguments.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by jimy

I have more to lose than most bears, a wife and daughter that love me , a beautiful home and land that I live on and enjoy, a bear only has his hide to lose....

jimy,

The clowns that are debating your point of view in this thread live their lives the exact same way.

They just like to pretend otherwise.

There could be no upside to this story, just for sh~ts and gigles , lets say the "jogger" stopped for our good samaritan neighbors, the cops are called, and they all chat, the cop tells the jogger to jog in the day time, some where else, then the cops tell the samaritan's that they can play the "dynamic duo" in their own house, the cop tells the spectators to go away, the jogger jogs off, the duo get into their fine steed and ride to their homestead, and the cop goes home safely to his wife and 2 and a half children, and they all live happily forever.

But that's not how publicly educated people act nowadays, is it !

Originally Posted by mirage243

When it all comes out, I'd be surprised if they even get convicted of manslaughter. Jigger had been seen to many times in places he didn't belong, guarantee he was there to steal schit. The two dudes that chased him down are fuqked, but I doubt they'll do any time on it. I'm betting they are out on bail before long.

LMAO....... Im picturing the quintessential classic, mouth full of chaw, wearing a wife beater, and a moron hat with an A on it.... clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed... but has roll tide tattooed on his ass.

The deceased had been seen too many times, dem der boys is clearly innocent....

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

PS Several times in the past 10 years, my next door neighbor has texted me, asking me to check his house and property because his home security system alerted him via his smart phone. I obliged, and I was surely armed each time. Would that fact deny me a claim of self-defense if someone charged me and attempted to grab my gun?

Depends.

I wanna hear some more talk about the stopping power of the 9 MM, this jogger took two 12 gauge blast to the chest at arms length and still took a couple of steps before gravity got the best of him !

Must not of been using + P's in the street sweeper !

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Actually, I stopped listening when he said you needed a posted sign t let you know that you shouldn’t go into someone else’s house.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

The part where he declared it wasn’t an illegal trespass because there was no sign......that was just a stupid and ignorant comment on his part.

Have you two actually read and understood
the GA statute for Trespass?

Here's the help you need [Ref. Bixon Law GA]

" 2.Wandering, strolling, and walking around a private
property which doesn’t have expressed prohibition to
enter it do not amount to trespassing unless the
person enters the property with unlawful purpose."

4.Burglary and other theft crimes.

" Criminal trespass is a lesser included offense of burglary.
To convict on a charge of burglary, the state must prove
that the offender entered or remained within the premises
of another without authority and with intent to commit a felony
or theft. OCGA 17-7-1(a). To convict on a charge of criminal trespass,
the state must prove that the offender knowingly and without
authority entered upon premises of another for unlawful purpose."

****
Here's the full explanation of Trespass in GA.

https://bixonlaw.com/georgia-trespassing-101/

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

The 911 neighbor mentioned this was an ongoing thing, this trespassing...

Mere allegations from a neighbor may not actually amount
to GA statute Trespass.

They could be just as cluless and blissfully ignorant
as you regarding relevant GA law.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by mirage243

When it all comes out, I'd be surprised if they even get convicted of manslaughter. Jigger had been seen to many times in places he didn't belong, guarantee he was there to steal schit. The two dudes that chased him down are fuqked, but I doubt they'll do any time on it. I'm betting they are out on bail before long.

LMAO....... Im picturing the quintessential classic, mouth full of chaw, wearing a wife beater, and a moron hat with an A on it.... clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed... but has roll tide tattooed on his ass.

The deceased had been seen too many times, dem der boys is clearly innocent....

For the record, I hate Alabama, Roll Tide can suck my dick. After the trial is over, get back to me and tell me I was wrong you fuqking moron.

Originally Posted by jimy

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by jimy

I have more to lose than most bears, a wife and daughter that love me , a beautiful home and land that I live on and enjoy, a bear only has his hide to lose....

jimy,

The clowns that are debating your point of view in this thread live their lives the exact same way.

They just like to pretend otherwise.

There could be no upside to this story, just for sh~ts and gigles , lets say the "jogger" stopped for our good samaritan neighbors, the cops are called, and they all chat, the cop tells the jogger to jog in the day time, some where else, then the cops tell the samaritan's that they can play the "dynamic duo" in their own house, the cop tells the spectators to go away, the jogger jogs off, the duo get into their fine steed and ride to their homestead, and the cop goes home safely to his wife and 2 and a half children, and they all live happily forever.

But that's not how publicly educated people act nowadays, is it !

That’s exactly how it should have gone down. Had any one of three had an IQ to at least match their shoe size it probably would have...

Originally Posted by Starman

Have you two actually read the GA statute for Trespass?

Question wasn't directed at me, but I did spend about 20 min looking over it this AM out of curiosity.

I'm not going to jump into the fray debating details that a jury will have to sort out, but it is not abundantly obvious to me the jogger was even trespassing. The closest language making his "visit" trespassing is this:

(b) A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she knowingly and without authority:

(1) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person for an unlawful purpose;

He took nothing, just had a look. His lawyer could easily enough claim he was curious what kind of plywood they were using. Was there an unlawful purpose that be PROVED?

All of the other language in the GA trespass statute talk about having been warned to stay off the property, asked to leave, causing damage, etc.

None of which happened, from what I understand.

But I digress...

Originally Posted by duck911

Originally Posted by Starman

Have you two actually read the GA statute for Trespass?

Question wasn't directed at me, but I did spend about 20 min looking over it this AM out of curiosity.

I'm not going to jump into the fray debating details that a jury will have to sort out, but it is not abundantly obvious to me the jogger was even trespassing. The closest language making his "visit" trespassing is this:

(b) A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she knowingly and without authority:

(1) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person for an unlawful purpose;

He took nothing, just had a look. His lawyer could easily enough claim he was curious what kind of plywood they were using. Was there an unlawful purpose that be PROVED?

All of the other language in the GA trespass statute talk about having been warned to stay off the property, asked to leave, causing damage, etc.

None of which happened, from what I understand.

But I digress...

Its been said that they did indeed have at least one previous run in with the jogger.

Originally Posted by duck911

Originally Posted by Starman

Have you two actually read the GA statute for Trespass?

Question wasn't directed at me, but I did spend about 20 min looking over it this AM out of curiosity.

I'm not going to jump into the fray debating details that a jury will have to sort out, but it is not abundantly obvious to me the jogger was even trespassing. The closest language making his "visit" trespassing is this:

(b) A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she knowingly and without authority:

(1) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person for an unlawful purpose;

He took nothing, just had a look. His lawyer could easily enough claim he was curious what kind of plywood they were using. Was there an unlawful purpose that be PROVED?

All of the other language in the GA trespass statute talk about having been warned to stay off the property, asked to leave, causing damage, etc.

None of which happened, from what I understand.

But I digress...

Duck of Dumb,

You're stupid ass was 180 degrees off about The Corona, yet you claim to have a grasp on how the 4th Amendment applies to Georgia state law, in a case you know nothing about.

You're a fugktard.

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by mirage243

When it all comes out, I'd be surprised if they even get convicted of manslaughter. Jigger had been seen to many times in places he didn't belong, guarantee he was there to steal schit. The two dudes that chased him down are fuqked, but I doubt they'll do any time on it. I'm betting they are out on bail before long.

LMAO....... Im picturing the quintessential classic, mouth full of chaw, wearing a wife beater, and a moron hat with an A on it.... clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed... but has roll tide tattooed on his ass.

The deceased had been seen too many times, dem der boys is clearly innocent....

For the record, I hate Alabama, Roll Tide can suck my dick. After the trial is over, get back to me and tell me I was wrong you fuqking moron.

I see you didn't dispute wearing a wife beater and the mouth full of chaw?

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by mirage243

When it all comes out, I'd be surprised if they even get convicted of manslaughter. Jigger had been seen to many times in places he didn't belong, guarantee he was there to steal schit. The two dudes that chased him down are fuqked, but I doubt they'll do any time on it. I'm betting they are out on bail before long.

LMAO....... Im picturing the quintessential classic, mouth full of chaw, wearing a wife beater, and a moron hat with an A on it.... clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed... but has roll tide tattooed on his ass.

The deceased had been seen too many times, dem der boys is clearly innocent....

For the record, I hate Alabama, Roll Tide can suck my dick. After the trial is over, get back to me and tell me I was wrong you fuqking moron.

I see you didn't dispute wearing a wife beater and the mouth full of chaw?

You don't have to, all you gotta do is say you hate Bama, that takes care of all that other sheit.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

see you didn't dispute wearing a wife beater and the mouth full of chaw?

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by duck911

Originally Posted by Starman

Have you two actually read the GA statute for Trespass?

Question wasn't directed at me, but I did spend about 20 min looking over it this AM out of curiosity.

I'm not going to jump into the fray debating details that a jury will have to sort out, but it is not abundantly obvious to me the jogger was even trespassing. The closest language making his "visit" trespassing is this:

(b) A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she knowingly and without authority:

(1) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person for an unlawful purpose;

He took nothing, just had a look. His lawyer could easily enough claim he was curious what kind of plywood they were using. Was there an unlawful purpose that be PROVED?

All of the other language in the GA trespass statute talk about having been warned to stay off the property, asked to leave, causing damage, etc.

None of which happened, from what I understand.

But I digress...

Duck of Dumb,

You're stupid ass was 180 degrees off about The Corona, yet you claim to have a grasp on how the 4th Amendment applies to Georgia state law, in a case you know nothing about.

You're a fugktard.

We'll see what the jury says about the 2 local boys.

Jury is already out on you though.

Stay classy!

Exponential!!!!!

Stick to putting 911 stickers in welcome wagon pamphlets.

Originally Posted by jimy

Originally Posted by duck911

Originally Posted by Starman

Have you two actually read the GA statute for Trespass?

Question wasn't directed at me, but I did spend about 20 min looking over it this AM out of curiosity.

I'm not going to jump into the fray debating details that a jury will have to sort out, but it is not abundantly obvious to me the jogger was even trespassing. The closest language making his "visit" trespassing is this:

(b) A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she knowingly and without authority:

(1) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person for an unlawful purpose;

He took nothing, just had a look. His lawyer could easily enough claim he was curious what kind of plywood they were using. Was there an unlawful purpose that be PROVED?

All of the other language in the GA trespass statute talk about having been warned to stay off the property, asked to leave, causing damage, etc.

None of which happened, from what I understand.

But I digress...

Its been said that they did indeed have at least one previous run in with the jogger.

Sounds like they may have been aware he was a dangers attack jigger, I mean, jogger.

I bet jogger threatened them before, as did Treyvon to his prospective huckleberry. Stupid move on stupids part.

If questioned about that in court the crackers can testify he did and I expect the jogger will remain silent.

Silence means consent.

Repeatedly ignored: Initial aggressor,Reasonable Man Doctrine.

It appears that reasonable man thing has stumped our collection of legal expert/neighborhood watch commandos.

It is possible for a reasonable person to have racial and other biases and to understand racially based statistics w/out letting fear and hate ruin their lives. I carry a gun at all times for the purpose of allowing me to live a good life w/o fearing for myself and others for whom I care. I have used deadly force and would do so again but it will be in defense of life only.

Trying to manipulate or interpret the action of others ignores the fact this incident would not have occurred if all participants were Reasonable Men.

typed from the kitchen while sheltering with the women.

mike r

This whole situation is a good argument against living in town. I like it when the people I call neighbors don't live in easy walking distance.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Hahaha!

They shoulda just had a bigger grill guard then....for self defense you know.....

Don't laugh Jim, you never know when a pedestrian may charge your truck. You need to be prepared to defend yourself.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

If you say lay down or hands up, citizens arrest, ima lay down.

Is that the same advice you would give your daughter in a similar situation?

"Just lay still Honey! Maybe they will not kill you when they are done. And maybe they don't have AIDS. And maybe they won't leave you pregnant and begging for an abortion."

And if not, why not?

Oh, you claim this is a different situation? How so, pray tell?

147 pages on my phone. Anybody win yet?

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Col Travis, if I think you're a crook and point a shotgun at you and say "Stop", are you stupid enough to try and come take my gun?

That is not nearly as stupid as kneeling in the dirt like a Warsaw Jew. At least a man can go down fighting. You might as well assume you are dead either way.

Fuggin French rifle droppers!

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

147 pages on my phone. Anybody win yet?

They started a drinking game a few pages back.

Anytime Tarquin, Antelope Sniper, Birdy, and the rest type "racist", you have to take a shot.

Most of the posters were smashed a few pages in.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Col Travis, if I think you're a crook and point a shotgun at you and say "Stop", are you stupid enough to try and come take my gun?

That is not nearly as stupid as kneeling in the dirt like a Warsaw Jew. At least a man can go down fighting. You might as well assume you are dead either way.

Fuggin French rifle droppers!

So, you're saying if jogger had put his hands up and got on the ground, cracker dad would have then been able to shoot him and would have.

Do you know the cracker dad was a nazi? Do you know the cracker dad was incapable of hitting jogger while he was jogging?

Lot of stretch going on there.

Originally Posted by add

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

147 pages on my phone. Anybody win yet?

They started a drinking game a few pages back.

Anytime Tarquin, Antelope Sniper, Birdy, and the rest type "racist", you have to take a shot.

Most of the posters were smashed a few pages in.

Hahaha, tff.

Cracker dad couldnt hit chitt with his repeating shotgun so he was gonna make jogger lay down so the camera man could get a good video of him walking up safely to said jogger to blow his head off.

Originally Posted by smokepole

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

The two men armed themselves, as is their right, in order to defend themselves........

Maybe it's just me but I would think it would be difficult to convince a jury you were defending yourself when you were armed and in a truck, pursuing an unarmed guy on foot.

The whole thing is an episode of Squidbillies gone wrong.
LOL!!!

What idiot keeps coming back to the same spot after the jig is up?

Almost like taunting, on Arbery’s part.

There goes the no-trespassing argument. Not even a sign in the front yard.

So much for English changing his story......Perez would put him in legal jeopardy.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Well, well, well

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law...od-confrontation/HGz6ZaFXYs3pkJhke22x4J/

Quote

Suspects in Arbery shooting had earlier neighborhood confrontation

By Brad Schrade Bert Roughton Jr., The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Tuesday, May 12, 2020 @ 9:10 PM

Less than two weeks before the Feb. 23 incident that left Ahmaud Arbery fatally shot in a suburb outside Brunswick, the father and son charged in the case had a confrontation with a young black man who had entered a neighboring house under construction, according to a neighbor who helped in the search.

Diego Perez accompanied Gregory McMichael, 64, and his son Travis McMichael, 34, on the Feb. 11 search and was at the shooting scene immediately after Arbery was shot on Feb. 23. Perez said he recognized Arbery as the man they had confronted earlier.

The McMichaels were arrested by the GBI last week and charged with felony murder and aggravated assault. They have been denied bond.

The Feb. 11 encounter had been prompted by a motion-sensor security camera video in the construction site that had pinged the property owner who was two hours away. The owner, Larry English, texted the video to Perez, who lived near the construction site.

Perez, who has spoken to the GBI, had offered to keep watch, and told English he’d be happy to check on the property any time. English told the AJC that he did not know the McMichaels or provide them with any camera footage. Nothing was taken from his property, he said.

Perez said he was armed when he left his home and walked up Satilla Drive that night. As he walked toward the house under construction, Perez said Travis McMichael drove up from the opposite direction, and stopped his truck.

“Travis saw him in the yard and Travis stopped,” Perez told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution on Tuesday. “He confronted (the man) halfway into the yard. He said (the man) reached for his waistband, and Travis got spooked and went down the road. “

When McMichael returned, his father, Gregory McMichael, was with him and armed, said Perez, who added the elder McMichael had called the Glynn County Police Department.

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Perez said he found no evidence of the young man around the house. When police arrived, Perez described the vehicle to police that he believes the young man entered before it drove away. Perez said they recognized the young man who had been in other security camera videos at the construction site in the months before.

“All we knew about him was that he was the guy who kept showing up on our cameras,” Perez said. “No one knew who it was.”

Perez said he saw the man again on Feb. 23, this time motionless. Arbery lay dead on the pavement.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

There goes the no-trespassing argument...

Elaborate your point in the context of GA Trespass statute.

You've made a fool of yourself all through this thread,
No reason to stop now.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

I can tell by looking at them and by their actions they are POS's. In which post did I give the jogger a pass.? He may have been a POS too, but that coupled with the crime of walking through an empty house under construction isn't a capital offense.

Your response implies that an execution took place, which it didn't. The two men armed themselves, as is their right, in order to defend themselves in the event that, while making a lawful arrest of a burglar, said burglar should resort to violence against them, which he in fact did. At which point, the right of lethal force in self-defense becomes the legal issue. The question of capital offense is an intentional red herring on your part, designed to cast the two defendants as villains.

And how interesting it would be to see your analysis of this situation were Bubba and Bubba Jr in the pickup truck black and their victim had been white?

Black crime in this nation is of no relevance in this one crime.

Even the victims prior history of crime or lack of has no relevance.

What is relevant, is what was said and done on the city street in the five or ten minutes before this murder occurred.

Have we heard of no witnesses besides the accomplice with the handgun and the video recording? Did no-one hear words exchanged, or witness a pickup wildly racing through the streets with a crazed madman standing in the back with a pistol in his hand? Are such events so commonplace on these streets that no-one takes note?

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Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

There goes the no-trespassing argument...

Elaborate your point in the context of GA Trespass statute.

You've made a fool of yourself all through this thread,
No reason to stop now.

Originally Posted by add

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

147 pages on my phone. Anybody win yet?

They started a drinking game a few pages back.

Anytime Tarquin, Antelope Sniper, Birdy, and the rest type "racist", you have to take a shot.

Most of the posters were smashed a few pages in.

Dang, that's too bad. Just when 'flave was trying to beat that drinking problem of his.

Perez was armed.....checking on the English property, at the request of the landowner?

Now English lawyer says client didn’t care who was in there?

Perez ID’s thug and deceased as same person?

Potential thug ‘feigns’ (or not) having a firearm, on the English property?

Can you spell acquittal?

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Perez said he was armed when he left his home and walked up Satilla Drive that night. As he walked toward the house under construction, Perez said Travis McMichael drove up from the opposite direction, and stopped his truck.

“Travis saw him in the yard and Travis stopped,” Perez told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution on Tuesday. “He confronted (the man) halfway into the yard. He said (the man) reached for his waistband, and Travis got spooked and went down the road. “

Originally Posted by smokepole

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Hahaha!

They shoulda just had a bigger grill guard then....for self defense you know.....

Don't laugh Jim, you never know when a pedestrian may charge your truck. You need to be prepared to defend yourself.

The pedestrians in Jim's neighborhood weigh 1100 pounds.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Have we heard of no witnesses besides the accomplice with the handgun and the video recording? Did no-one hear words exchanged, or witness a pickup wildly racing through the streets with a crazed madman standing in the back with a pistol in his hand? Are such events so commonplace on these streets that no-one takes note?

Vehicles race up and down streets occasionally for all sorts of reason, and the guy had to have been crouched or near sitting in the back when the truck was in motion. If you weren’t looking during the few seconds it took the truck to get by your house you’d miss it.

Gunshots? You’d be surprised how often you hear gunshots in places where people have backyards.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by add

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

147 pages on my phone. Anybody win yet?

They started a drinking game a few pages back.

Anytime Tarquin, Antelope Sniper, Birdy, and the rest type "racist", you have to take a shot.

Most of the posters were smashed a few pages in.

Dang, that's too bad. Just when 'flave was trying to beat that drinking problem of his.

Originally Posted by jimy

Originally Posted by duck911

Originally Posted by Starman

Have you two actually read the GA statute for Trespass?

Question wasn't directed at me, but I did spend about 20 min looking over it this AM out of curiosity.

I'm not going to jump into the fray debating details that a jury will have to sort out, but it is not abundantly obvious to me the jogger was even trespassing. The closest language making his "visit" trespassing is this:

(b) A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she knowingly and without authority:

(1) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person for an unlawful purpose;

He took nothing, just had a look. His lawyer could easily enough claim he was curious what kind of plywood they were using. Was there an unlawful purpose that be PROVED?

All of the other language in the GA trespass statute talk about having been warned to stay off the property, asked to leave, causing damage, etc.

None of which happened, from what I understand.

But I digress...

Its been said that they did indeed have at least one previous run in with the jogger.

The people who have 0 interest in said property?!? LMAO....

How can they trespass anyone, its not theirs.... and now the owner is saying he never said any of that.... if you dont have an interest in something, how can you declare a previous trespass on a property to now say you’ve had other run in’s.... your just admitting to a history of harassing the guy your on trial for killing LMAO...

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

That is not nearly as stupid as kneeling in the dirt like a Warsaw Jew. At least a man can go down fighting. You might as well assume you are dead either way.

Fuggin French rifle droppers!

So, you're saying if jogger had put his hands up and got on the ground, cracker dad would have then been able to shoot him and would have.

Do you know the cracker dad was a nazi? Do you know the cracker dad was incapable of hitting jogger while he was jogging?

Lot of stretch going on there.

I am saying that if I were on a jury, I would sincerely believe that those are valid considerations a "reasonable man" must make. We already know the two aggressors were far beyond the pale of what could ever be considered "reasonable".

I am saying any person cornered on the street by a couple of crazy jerks in a vehicle flagrantly displaying weapons has reason to fear for his life.

I never called anyone a nazi. I have no knowledge of Officer McBubba's political bent.

I only know that no person is wise to submit himself to be rendered helpless and at the mercy of another. Otherwise ALL of us could just hammer our CCWs into Crescent Wrenches.

Oh, and I still want to know how a retired cop in bumphuck Georgia can afford a three hundred thousand dollar house? An honest cop that is? Especially a cop with the level of intelligence displayed on the fateful day in question.

I suspect we may be learning much more about the life and times of Officer McBubba over the coming months. Depending on the strength of that "Thin Blue Line". Who knows? Perhaps his wife is an heiress?

Originally Posted by add

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

TRH,

It's not so much that you are rude, but disappointing. I'm disappointed that a man of your intelligence, has allowed himself to abandon his skepticism in pursuit of half baked conspiracy theories, especially those founded in racial bigotry . You know The Constitution and founding principles better than most, but for you the proposition that all men are created equal seem to only encompass non-Jewish white males.

No one here is denying there's problems within the black community. I've suggested that if it's what some here really want to discuss, lets not conflate the two issues and start a separate thread on that separate subject, because conflating the two, doesn't help.

You are way to serious a person, especially as a concealed carrier to not take seriously the facts as laid out in the video I presented, regardless of the race of the pro-2A attorney presenting them. You watch the Active Self Defense video's. I expect you are aware the aggressors violated about every principle there is pertaining to armed self defense. So yes, I'm disappointed you went straight to "oh of course he black", as opposed to actually addressing the content of his speech.

You share with the left a tendency to impute evil on those with whom you disagree. I don't consider you to be evil because you disagree with me on many subjects. I just assume that it's due to many years of programming, starting in early childhood, that you are unable to overcome or rise above.

Again you disappoint me...

When did you start channeling Ward Cleaver?

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Perez was armed.....checking on the English property, at the request of the landowner?

Now English lawyer says client didn’t care who was in there?

Perez ID’s thug and deceased as same person?

Potential thug ‘feigns’ (or not) having a firearm, on the English property?

Can you spell acquittal?

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Perez said he was armed when he left his home and walked up Satilla Drive that night. As he walked toward the house under construction, Perez said Travis McMichael drove up from the opposite direction, and stopped his truck.

“Travis saw him in the yard and Travis stopped,” Perez told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution on Tuesday. “He confronted (the man) halfway into the yard. He said (the man) reached for his waistband, and Travis got spooked and went down the road. “

Perez has 0 interest in the property.....

McMichaels have 0 interest in the property....

Only Mr. English has interest in the property....

Now, Perez could if requested act as an agent of Mr English.... but Perez didnt trespass Arbery, nor did Perez shoot Arbery...

The McMichaels did, and they werent agents of Mr. English, and they never officially trespassed him, because they legally couldnt.

Your argument is extremely invalid bro....

Originally Posted by add

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

147 pages on my phone. Anybody win yet?

They started a drinking game a few pages back.

Anytime Tarquin, Antelope Sniper, Birdy, and the rest type "racist", you have to take a shot.

Most of the posters were smashed a few pages in.

Where did I type “racist”?

I just type that White Nationalists are dillweeds, for a variety of reasons.

I did say that profiling is based upon probability, said probability based upon prior experience.

I wouldn’t use or attempt to use deadly force to protect property.

Way too expensive.

While we’re at it.....exactly how do you prevent brandishing a legally carried shotgun?

Put it back in the holster?

English will do the wise thing under oath, admitting his original claim of fishing equipment theft. Doesn’t prove who, but will dispel the thought he didn’t care.

You may not hear it.

And now the kid threatened to pull a gun on an unarmed Travis? In a previous encounter?

The curve hasn’t even been flattened yet, more to come.

Hope the new prosecutor didn’t think they put her on the case because they liked her.

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“He confronted (the man) halfway into the yard. He said (the man) reached for his waistband, and Travis got spooked and went down the road. “

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

While we’re at it.....exactly how do you prevent brandishing a legally carried shotgun?

Put it back in the holster?

English will do the wise thing under oath, admitting his original claim of fishing equipment theft. Doesn’t prove who, but will dispel the thought he didn’t care.

You may not hear it.

The curve hasn’t even been flattened yet, more to come.

Hope the new prosecutor didn’t think they put her on the case because they liked her.

Your easily confused..... Mr English owns the property. He wasnt present, ever.... he never officially trespassed Arbery.

Potentially you could say, Perez was assigned as an agent for English. However, Perez never officially treapassed Arbery either.

However the bigger kicker to your whole confusion here to this mythical dream of them getting off for any of this.... the McMichaels had literally nothing to do with Mr. English, his property, trespassing Arbery before by rights.... they are fugged if they use that as their defense.

The McMichaels didnt own the property, they didnt work there, and they weren’t assigned to be an agent of the property by Mr. English. That makes them without knowledge of Abery’s right to be there. That means they cannot citizen arrest him. That means them brandishing a weapon in an attempt to detain him was a felony, and that means their self defense claim is bunk, and that means they murdered him.

Case closed.

I think maybe you meant ‘you’re easily confused’.

We shall see soon enough.

Did the kid threaten to pull a gun on an unarmed Travis or not?

Still looking for the flattening of the curve.

This was an ‘ongoing’ thing, you know.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

While we’re at it.....exactly how do you prevent brandishing a legally carried shotgun?

Put it back in the holster?

English will do the wise thing under oath, admitting his original claim of fishing equipment theft. Doesn’t prove who, but will dispel the thought he didn’t care.

You may not hear it.

The curve hasn’t even been flattened yet, more to come.

Hope the new prosecutor didn’t think they put her on the case because they liked her.

Your easily confused..... Mr English owns the property. He wasnt present, ever.... he never officially trespassed Arbery.

Potentially you could say, Perez was assigned as an agent for English. However, Perez never officially treapassed Arbery either.

However the bigger kicker to your whole confusion here to this mythical dream of them getting off for any of this.... the McMichaels had literally nothing to do with Mr. English, his property, trespassing Arbery before by rights.... they are fugged if they use that as their defense.

The McMichaels didnt own the property, they didnt work there, and they weren’t assigned to be an agent of the property by Mr. English. That makes them without knowledge of Abery’s right to be there. That means they cannot citizen arrest him. That means them brandishing a weapon in an attempt to detain him was a felony, and that means their self defense claim is bunk, and that means they murdered him.

Case closed.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

I think maybe you meant ‘you’re easily confused’.

We shall see soon enough.

Did the kid threaten to pull a gun on an unarmed Travis or not?

Still looking for the flattening of the curve.

This was an ‘ongoing’ thing, you know.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

While we’re at it.....exactly how do you prevent brandishing a legally carried shotgun?

Put it back in the holster?

English will do the wise thing under oath, admitting his original claim of fishing equipment theft. Doesn’t prove who, but will dispel the thought he didn’t care.

You may not hear it.

The curve hasn’t even been flattened yet, more to come.

Hope the new prosecutor didn’t think they put her on the case because they liked her.

Your easily confused..... Mr English owns the property. He wasnt present, ever.... he never officially trespassed Arbery.

Potentially you could say, Perez was assigned as an agent for English. However, Perez never officially treapassed Arbery either.

However the bigger kicker to your whole confusion here to this mythical dream of them getting off for any of this.... the McMichaels had literally nothing to do with Mr. English, his property, trespassing Arbery before by rights.... they are fugged if they use that as their defense.

The McMichaels didnt own the property, they didnt work there, and they weren’t assigned to be an agent of the property by Mr. English. That makes them without knowledge of Abery’s right to be there. That means they cannot citizen arrest him. That means them brandishing a weapon in an attempt to detain him was a felony, and that means their self defense claim is bunk, and that means they murdered him.

Case closed.

Threaten to pull a gun? Where.... on Mr English’s property when Travis was harassing him? Wait... what... when he stuck his hands in his pants?

And wait... threatened to pull a gun??? Thats the defense of a guy who blocked the road with his truck while brandishing a loaded shotgun, who then shot an unarmed man???? Previously when the deceased was on a property the shooter didnt own, or have interest in... when he approached him, the deceased put his hands in his pants but didnt brandish a weapon....

So the shooter can legally carry a weapon, but the black guy cant even tho he wasnt???

LMAO...

Them boys going to jail for a very long time.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

...

Your easily confused..... Mr English owns the property. He wasnt present, ever.... he never officially trespassed Arbery.

Potentially you could say, Perez was assigned as an agent for English. However, Perez never officially treapassed Arbery either.

MW doesn't understand GA statute for Trespass.

Ive asked him to articulate in respect of the statute
but he wont coz hes not able to.

Even the spoon feeding source I kindly provided
(interpretation given GA law firms) doesn't sink in.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by add

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

147 pages on my phone. Anybody win yet?

They started a drinking game a few pages back.

Anytime Tarquin, Antelope Sniper, Birdy, and the rest type "racist", you have to take a shot.

Most of the posters were smashed a few pages in.

Dang, that's too bad. Just when 'flave was trying to beat that drinking problem of his.

I won...........

Originally Posted by akasparky _ Page 17

I was just being factious with subject and opening post to attract as many of like as well as opposing posters as possible.
I just wanted to divert the attention from the flu topic for a day anyway.
It worked fairly well, 150+ replies with 3600+ views in a days time and still chuggin' along.

Myself, I don't really care about the two white shooters or the running negro. That schit happens every day, if it's not B on W it's W on B and true justice is seldom served.

Just nice to know you can always instigate race fight here on the fire to keep people busy.....

Maybe a coincidence, maybe not, but there isn't anymore active flu threads.........

The MSM ain’t gonna play it this way but I don’t think race was a factor. Obviously they felt they were virtually living under siege with numerous thefts they believed perpetrated by the dead guy, whom the elder McMichael had arrested nearly ten years back in high school.

If it had been a skinny White meth-head (notorious thieves all over rural America) running down the street and suspected of numerous theft I believe the McMichaels woulda reacted the same way.

Unfortunately the Mc Michaels apparently never worked out a plan as to what to do if they caught up with either.

Mike - Im going to need your address... id like to approach your wife when shes walking in from work while Im holding my pistol and asking what shes doing there??

Thats the equivalent to Travis McMichael with “the ongoing thing”....

It wasnt his property to be doing that... Mr. English didnt assign Travis as an agent of the property. That means Travis didnt have the knowledge to know if Arbery was allowed to be there or not. He might have had 2nd hand information from Perez, but thats high school gossip at that point.

So literally, my analogy of me approaching your wife, at your house is the same as this, except they say they did it several times... so Im going to do it several times to your wife, and then when I see her again, Im going to block the road and demand she sit down while I point my loaded weapon at her, and Im going to perform a citizens arrest....

Again... your confused.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

I still want to know how a retired cop in bumphuck Georgia can afford a three hundred thousand dollar house? An honest cop that is? Especially a cop with the level of intelligence displayed on the fateful day in question.

I suspect we may be arning much more about the life and times of Officer McBubba over the coming months. Depending on the strength of that "Thin Blue Line". Who knows? Perhaps his wife is an heiress?

Not out of the question presuming his wife was/had been gainfully employed, note too his 30yo son was living at home, likely pitching in on the mortgage.

If they had been living in the area for generations, the sale of a prior residence and/or property could have helped finance the home purchase.

Doesn’t matter now, a few minutes of poor choices and bad judgement and they’ve lost everything.

Just want to know.......you see a $300,000 property as some sort of symbol of wealth? How old are you?

I often fall back on 1980’s prices while attending land auctions(while complaining)......so you’d not be the only one.

Edit: Not everyone is stupid with their money, some acquire wealth, even with a relatively modest wage.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Oh, and I still want to know how a retired cop in bumphuck Georgia can afford a three hundred thousand dollar house? An honest cop that is? Especially a cop with the level of intelligence displayed on the fateful day in question.

I suspect we may be learning much more about the life and times of Officer McBubba over the coming months. Depending on the strength of that "Thin Blue Line". Who knows? Perhaps his wife is an heiress?

I don’t hide my name or address, unlike most.

Roll the dice, brother.

We shall see who is confused, soon enough.

Folks are tired of their hard-earned stuff being stolen. Jurors included.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Mike - Im going to need your address... id like to approach your wife when shes walking in from work while Im holding my pistol and asking what shes doing there??

Thats the equivalent to Travis McMichael with “the ongoing thing”....

It wasnt his property to be doing that... Mr. English didnt assign Travis as an agent of the property. That means Travis didnt have the knowledge to know if Arbery was allowed to be there or not. He might have had 2nd hand information from Perez, but thats high school gossip at that point.

So literally, my analogy of me approaching your wife, at your house is the same as this, except they say they did it several times... so Im going to do it several times to your wife, and then when I see her again, Im going to block the road and demand she sit down while I point my loaded weapon at her, and Im going to perform a citizens arrest....

Again... your confused.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

I don’t hide my name or address, unlike most.

Roll the dice, brother.

We shall see who is confused, soon enough.

Folks are tired of their hard-earned stuff being stolen. Jurors included.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Mike - Im going to need your address... id like to approach your wife when shes walking in from work while Im holding my pistol and asking what shes doing there??

Thats the equivalent to Travis McMichael with “the ongoing thing”....

It wasnt his property to be doing that... Mr. English didnt assign Travis as an agent of the property. That means Travis didnt have the knowledge to know if Arbery was allowed to be there or not. He might have had 2nd hand information from Perez, but thats high school gossip at that point.

So literally, my analogy of me approaching your wife, at your house is the same as this, except they say they did it several times... so Im going to do it several times to your wife, and then when I see her again, Im going to block the road and demand she sit down while I point my loaded weapon at her, and Im going to perform a citizens arrest....

Again... your confused.

What was stolen? Arbery had nothing....

Again... your confused.

Better yet... what did Arbery steal from the McMichaels on that day?

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Just want to know.......you see a $300,000 property as some sort of symbol of wealth? How old are you?

I often fall back on 1980’s prices while attending land auctions(while complaining)......so you’d not be the only one.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Oh, and I still want to know how a retired cop in bumphuck Georgia can afford a three hundred thousand dollar house? An honest cop that is? Especially a cop with the level of intelligence displayed on the fateful day in question.

I suspect we may be learning much more about the life and times of Officer McBubba over the coming months. Depending on the strength of that "Thin Blue Line". Who knows? Perhaps his wife is an heiress?

Maybe he owes $270,000 on it. Dude is an old old man, he should have built up a little equity by now. Papa Rocket surgeon is extremely old.

Did you mean......you’re confused?

You have no idea, right now, what Arbery had or sold.

Quit filling in the blanks and listening to your beloved media and political handlers.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

I don’t hide my name or address, unlike most.

Roll the dice, brother.

We shall see who is confused, soon enough.

Folks are tired of their hard-earned stuff being stolen. Jurors included.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Mike - Im going to need your address... id like to approach your wife when shes walking in from work while Im holding my pistol and asking what shes doing there??

Thats the equivalent to Travis McMichael with “the ongoing thing”....

It wasnt his property to be doing that... Mr. English didnt assign Travis as an agent of the property. That means Travis didnt have the knowledge to know if Arbery was allowed to be there or not. He might have had 2nd hand information from Perez, but thats high school gossip at that point.

So literally, my analogy of me approaching your wife, at your house is the same as this, except they say they did it several times... so Im going to do it several times to your wife, and then when I see her again, Im going to block the road and demand she sit down while I point my loaded weapon at her, and Im going to perform a citizens arrest....

Again... your confused.

What was stolen? Arbery had nothing....

Again... your confused.

Better yet.....did Arbery steal from McMichaels period......and where is the handgun that WAS stolen?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Better yet... what did Arbery steal from the McMichaels on that day?

JFC, anyone who doesn't know how one can carry a shotgun or any other weapon w/out making others feel threatened should; A. learn how to do so. B. STFU in all matters of self defense.

mike r

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Folks are tired of their hard-earned stuff being stolen...

What was stolen? Arbery had nothing....
.

MW can't even vaguely make trespass stick,
he's got more hope of summiting Everest
in a wheelchair that proving burglary/theft.

Tell GA law. Isn’t that what we’re discussing here? Or is it just emotion when a young kid was killed.

As a fellow young, stupid hoodlum myself, saw no pleasure in the killing. Wish he was alive and turning it around.

But, political convictions.......Absolutely no use for those.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

JFC, anyone who doesn't know how one can carry a shotgun or any other weapon w/out making others feel threatened should; A. learn how to do so. B. STFU in all matters of self defense.

mike r

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Better yet.....did Arbery steal from McMichaels period......and where is the handgun that WAS stolen?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Better yet... what did Arbery steal from the McMichaels on that day?

LMAO.... he wasnt on McMichaels property... he was dead in the road, no recovered property. That pretty much proves he didnt steal anything that day.

Quit being an idiot here man.

Perhaps some study would be prudent before the GED exam.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Folks are tired of their hard-earned stuff being stolen...

What was stolen? Arbery had nothing....
.

MW can't even vaguely make trespass stick,
he's got more hope of summiting Everest
in a wheelchair that proving burglary/theft.

Wow, that was an intellectual argument winner right there.

Can’t hold a candle to you gents, that’s for sure.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Better yet.....did Arbery steal from McMichaels period......and where is the handgun that WAS stolen?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Better yet... what did Arbery steal from the McMichaels on that day?

LMAO.... he wasnt on McMichaels property... he was dead in the road, no recovered property. That pretty much proves he didnt steal anything that day.

Quit being an idiot here man.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Wow, that was an intellectual argument winner right there.

Can’t hold a candle to you gents, that’s for sure.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Better yet.....did Arbery steal from McMichaels period......and where is the handgun that WAS stolen?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Better yet... what did Arbery steal from the McMichaels on that day?

LMAO.... he wasnt on McMichaels property... he was dead in the road, no recovered property. That pretty much proves he didnt steal anything that day.

Quit being an idiot here man.

At least you have finally came to terms. You know, its on video and all.... literally, almost the entire thing. He has nothing on him, nothing of Travis’s... nothing.

Travis had no legal basis to be involved. Travis therefore was attempting to illegally detain him, with a loaded firearm which is a felony in itself. That means Arbery then had more than a reason to defend himself, and could have actually legally shot Travis in self defense..... Travis murdered Arbery.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Quit being an idiot here man.

Its a way of life for him, In desperation it seems he's trying
to suggest Arbery stole the hangun that Travis left in his
unlocked vehicle.

MW is like those old men that can manage to piss
everywhere but in the bowl.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Better yet.....did Arbery steal from McMichaels period......and where is the handgun that WAS stolen?

What have you got to implicate Arbery?

Prints on the truck? , CCTV? , witnesses?
said stolen gun in possession of Arbery?

Anything at all that would be admissible or
won't be laughed out of court?

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

I think maybe you meant ‘you’re easily confused’.

We shall see soon enough.

Did the kid threaten to pull a gun on an unarmed Travis or not?

Or did his nuts itch? The jury would like to know, but dead men don't talk.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Tell GA law. Isn’t that what we’re discussing here? Or is it just emotion when a young kid was killed.

As a fellow young, stupid hoodlum myself, saw no pleasure in the killing. Wish he was alive and turning it around.

But, political convictions.......Absolutely no use for those.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

JFC, anyone who doesn't know how one can carry a shotgun or any other weapon w/out making others feel threatened should; A. learn how to do so. B. STFU in all matters of self defense.

mike r

So, you are no longer young or a hoodlum? Congrats. No use for political convictions? you better define that in a manner that does not make you look more stupid.

mike r

Unfortunately, true.

As AG Barr said, winners often write history.

Note it was NOT McMichaels that said that.....it was Perez.

What about the $300,000 house.....do you see that as some unattainable wealth by a middle class retired guy?

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

I think maybe you meant ‘you’re easily confused’.

We shall see soon enough.

Did the kid threaten to pull a gun on an unarmed Travis or not?

Or did his nuts itch? The jury would like to know, but dead men don't talk.

If the little jogger hadn't been seen multiple times where he didn't belong, he'd still be breathing. Case closed, end of story. Nobody just went and killed an innocent "jogger".

If I look stupid to you or any other race baiters....that is fine.

If ‘you’re’ content in your current circumstance, that makes two of us.

Congrats. Why the apparent annoyance and insult?

Originally Posted by lvmiker

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Tell GA law. Isn’t that what we’re discussing here? Or is it just emotion when a young kid was killed.

As a fellow young, stupid hoodlum myself, saw no pleasure in the killing. Wish he was alive and turning it around.

But, political convictions.......Absolutely no use for those.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

JFC, anyone who doesn't know how one can carry a shotgun or any other weapon w/out making others feel threatened should; A. learn how to do so. B. STFU in all matters of self defense.

mike r

So, you are no longer young or a hoodlum? Congrats. No use for political convictions? you better define that in a manner that does not make you look more stupid.

mike r

Originally Posted by mirage243

If the little jogger hadn't been seen multiple times where he didn't belong, he'd still be breathing. Case closed, end of story. Nobody just went and killed an innocent "jogger".

Actually, two guys by the name of McMichael just did.

Originally Posted by mirage243

If the little jogger hadn't been seen multiple times where he didn't belong, he'd still be breathing. Case closed, end of story. Nobody just went and killed an innocent "jogger".

Even in the most rural precincts of Alabama you don't get to light a fugger up for trespassing. You ain't in Texas gomer.

We don't care for your kind in these here parts.

LMFAO

mike r

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by mirage243

If the little jogger hadn't been seen multiple times where he didn't belong, he'd still be breathing. Case closed, end of story. Nobody just went and killed an innocent "jogger".

Actually, two guys by the name of McMichael just did.

Are you saying he hadn't been seen multiple times where he didn't belong? You're a fuqking moron.

If you don’t mind the PC violation.....where did you graduate in your class, Mike?

How many attempts at the bar? If you are a lawyer.

Thanks in advance, for your response.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

Originally Posted by mirage243

If the little jogger hadn't been seen multiple times where he didn't belong, he'd still be breathing. Case closed, end of story. Nobody just went and killed an innocent "jogger".

Even in the most rural precincts of Alabama you don't get to light a fugger up for trespassing. You ain't in Texas gomer.

We don't care for your kind in these here parts.

LMFAO

mike r

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

I still want to know how a retired cop in bumphuck Georgia can afford a three hundred thousand dollar house? An honest cop that is? Especially a cop with the level of intelligence displayed on the fateful day in question.

I suspect we may be arning much more about the life and times of Officer McBubba over the coming months. Depending on the strength of that "Thin Blue Line". Who knows? Perhaps his wife is an heiress?

Not out of the question presuming his wife was/had been gainfully employed, note too his 30yo son was living at home, likely pitching in on the mortgage.

If they had been living in the area for generations, the sale of a prior residence and/or property could have helped finance the home purchase.

Doesn’t matter now, a few minutes of poor choices and bad judgement and they’ve lost everything.

Hell, I can not even imagine the tax burden on a $300,000 home. How about HOA fees to keep up the water supply, streets, community parks and play areas? What's that take? $250K/annum gross to cover local, state, federal taxes, mortgage, insurance, and pay for the pickup used in the assault and murder?

The report which listed the value of McBubba Sr's home listed the address and also a separate address for McBubba Jr. But obviously Jr is spending much time at Sr's house as he was there for the day of the murder and he was there for the arrest.

Whats the sticky here with the $300k home?

The medium home cost in my state is $311k...

In GA it is listed as being $260k. So a retired detective has a home with a value of $40k more than a median price?

Id assume someone his age should be able to afford that. I dont think I know anyone that doesnt have a $300k plus home in my area, let alone a retired police officer.

Idaho_Shooter wanted the retired cop investigated for that.

Apparent corruption and all that.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Whats the sticky here with the $300k home?

The medium home cost in my state is $311k...

In GA it is listed as being $260k. So a retired detective has a home with a value of $40k more than a median price?

Id assume someone his age should be able to afford that. I dont think I know anyone that doesnt have a $300k plus home in my area, let alone a retired police officer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/05/13/video-shows-person-at-construction-site-12-days-before-ahmaud-arberys-death/%3foutputType=amp

Well Mike.... Mr English says Arbery doesnt look like the other people on camera, and the news is leaving the image blurred until the person is identified as it could be a youth.

He also says Perez told him that Travis had previously chased a trespasser in the past... not Perez who he had, had discussions with him about.

And at the end, as it was cutting out.... he says he had previously met Arbery....

So this “on going thing”??? That defense is fugged...sounds like the property own is clarifying there is no on going thing with Arbery. Sounds like he’s also openly saying he didnt necessarily give Travis direct permission to by an agent of the property.

We’ve yet to flatten the curve....

More to come soon.

Where is mike r?

^ This thread...

Dryfly- It gives folks a chance to vent and do some name calling.

Why deprive them of that?

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Dryfly- It gives folks a chance to vent and do some name calling.

Why deprive them of that?

Good point. Carry on...

Media Goodwhite narrative in mid-collapse.

NBN and it caught up with him. Crackers will pay the price, though.

How can you say that? All the video footage of Arbery does not prove any trespassing or wrong-doing......it actually shows how harmless and innocent he was.

Mr. English told him he could use the house shell as a second home.

Originally Posted by jfruser

Media Goodwhite narrative in mid-collapse.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

At least you have finally came to terms. You know, its on video and all.... literally, almost the entire thing. He has nothing on him, nothing of Travis’s... nothing.

Travis had no legal basis to be involved. Travis therefore was attempting to illegally detain him, with a loaded firearm which is a felony in itself. That means Arbery then had more than a reason to defend himself, and could have actually legally shot Travis in self defense..... Travis murdered Arbery.

I think everything you said here is right except the last three words. It seems a wrongful homicide but not murder. I will be glad to make a friendly $100 wager that the shooter will be convicted of a wrongful killing. Possibly murder but it doesn't seem to fit the legal definition of murder though. At least not in my state.

Originally Posted by mirage243

If the little jogger hadn't been seen multiple times where he didn't belong, he'd still be breathing. Case closed, end of story. Nobody just went and killed an innocent "jogger".

And the winner is.....................idiots

"Felony Murder" = when a death occurs during the commission of an
"inherently dangerous felony.". It doesn't matter that they didn't intend
to shoot the victim . The mere fact that you were committing a felony
and killed someone can make you guilty of felony murder.

Georgia law does not take into consideration whether the death was
intentional or accidental. There does not need to be intent to kill or
even an expectation that someone will die once the felony is commenced.
The defendant will be liable for the death either way.

Even an accomplice who didn't do the shooting
can be charged with the same Felony Murder.
Hence why Mic Snr. was slapped with same charge.

Originally Posted by Starman

"Felony Murder" = when a death occurs during the commission of an
"inherently dangerous felony.". It doesn't matter that they didn't intend
to shoot the victim . The mere fact that you were committing a felony
and killed someone can make you guilty of felony murder.

It could happen but you have to get 12 people to agree it was murder. That is a pretty high hill to climb. I see a jury compromising on some other wrongful death charge.

You may be viewing it through the laws of
your state.

GA prosecution could argue that the way McMichaels
organized and coordinated the shooting by trying to
stop Arbery in the middle of the road could classify
as implied MALICE, which in Georgia law does not
require the same stringent level of premeditation
required in some other states.

And the third person Bryan, could also be implicated
and charged since Greg McMichael gave statement
saying Bryan was involved in the persuit/had himself
attempted to cut Arbery off, plus it seems Bryan can
be heard chambering a round when filming.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Hell, I can not even imagine the tax burden on a $300,000 home. How about HOA fees to keep up the water supply, streets, community parks and play areas? What's that take? $250K/annum gross to cover local, state, federal taxes, mortgage, insurance, and pay for the pickup used in the assault and murder?

Last time I checked the County thinks my house is worth close to half of that, and I’m living on what’s left of a Texas teacher’s salary after property tax, income tax and employer health insurance and the 40% of my take home I’m currently throwing at post-divorce debt.

I do agree that trucks are expensive 🙂

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Hell, I can not even imagine the tax burden on a $300,000 home. How about HOA fees to keep up the water supply, streets, community parks and play areas? What's that take? $250K/annum gross to cover local, state, federal taxes, mortgage, insurance, and pay for the pickup used in the assault and murder?

Last time I checked the County thinks my house is worth close to half of that, and I’m living on what’s left of a Texas teacher’s salary after property tax, income tax and employer health insurance and the 40% of my take home I’m currently throwing at post-divorce debt.

I do agree that trucks are expensive 🙂

And not once have you thought to yourself to get a better paying job? Or move up in the administration? Don’t give me I love teaching kids bull chit.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/05/13/video-shows-person-at-construction-site-12-days-before-ahmaud-arberys-death/%3foutputType=amp

Well Mike.... Mr English says Arbery doesnt look like the other people on camera, and the news is leaving the image blurred until the person is identified as it could be a youth.

He also says Perez told him that Travis had previously chased a trespasser in the past... not Perez who he had, had discussions with him about.

And at the end, as it was cutting out.... he says he had previously met Arbery....

So this “on going thing”??? That defense is fugged...sounds like the property own is clarifying there is no on going thing with Arbery. Sounds like he’s also openly saying he didnt necessarily give Travis direct permission to by an agent of the property.

Yeah, no reason to even have a trial. Whoops, dont tell tha lowyers I said that.

Originally Posted by 79S

And not once have you thought to yourself to get a better paying job? Or move up in the administration? Don’t give me I love teaching kids bull chit.

More money for what exactly?

The saturation coverage of the event has had its intended purpose.

https://www.takimag.com/article/racial-revenge/

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Wow, that was an intellectual argument winner right there.

Can’t hold a candle to you gents, that’s for sure.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Better yet.....did Arbery steal from McMichaels period......and where is the handgun that WAS stolen?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Better yet... what did Arbery steal from the McMichaels on that day?

LMAO.... he wasnt on McMichaels property... he was dead in the road, no recovered property. That pretty much proves he didnt steal anything that day.

Quit being an idiot here man.

At least you have finally came to terms. You know, its on video and all.... literally, almost the entire thing. He has nothing on him, nothing of Travis’s... nothing.

Travis had no legal basis to be involved. Travis therefore was attempting to illegally detain him, with a loaded firearm which is a felony in itself. That means Arbery then had more than a reason to defend himself, and could have actually legally shot Travis in self defense..... Travis murdered Arbery.

And that's why Travis is charges with Felony Murder.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

I still want to know how a retired cop in bumphuck Georgia can afford a three hundred thousand dollar house? An honest cop that is? Especially a cop with the level of intelligence displayed on the fateful day in question.

I suspect we may be arning much more about the life and times of Officer McBubba over the coming months. Depending on the strength of that "Thin Blue Line". Who knows? Perhaps his wife is an heiress?

Not out of the question presuming his wife was/had been gainfully employed, note too his 30yo son was living at home, likely pitching in on the mortgage.

If they had been living in the area for generations, the sale of a prior residence and/or property could have helped finance the home purchase.

Doesn’t matter now, a few minutes of poor choices and bad judgement and they’ve lost everything.

Hell, I can not even imagine the tax burden on a $300,000 home. How about HOA fees to keep up the water supply, streets, community parks and play areas? What's that take? $250K/annum gross to cover local, state, federal taxes, mortgage, insurance, and pay for the pickup used in the assault and murder?

The report which listed the value of McBubba Sr's home listed the address and also a separate address for McBubba Jr. But obviously Jr is spending much time at Sr's house as he was there for the day of the murder and he was there for the arrest.

Around here a 300K home is considered poverty.

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by Starman

"Felony Murder" = when a death occurs during the commission of an
"inherently dangerous felony.". It doesn't matter that they didn't intend
to shoot the victim . The mere fact that you were committing a felony
and killed someone can make you guilty of felony murder.

It could happen but you have to get 12 people to agree it was murder. That is a pretty high hill to climb. I see a jury compromising on some other wrongful death charge.

Nope.

There's basically two elements to a Felony Murder. You were participating in a Felony, and someone died.

That's it.

If Arbery had taken the shot gun from the Michael's kid and killed him with it, since father and son were committing a felony at the time of the death, daddy is still guilty of "Felony Murder".

Flaherty's take on the Ahmaud Arbery case.

Link to podcast.

I didn't read all 78 pages of this, and only caught a blurb on the news that this was being judged as a Hate Crime.

I dont know any of the circumstances but actually they dont matter. Why is it when a black kills a white, its NOT a hate crime?

Gotta keep the double standard alive, and the professional victim status going.

Originally Posted by ingwe

I didn't read all 78 pages of this,

You haven't missed a damn thing.....the first and last post is enough....

Save

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by Starman

"Felony Murder" = when a death occurs during the commission of an
"inherently dangerous felony.". It doesn't matter that they didn't intend
to shoot the victim . The mere fact that you were committing a felony
and killed someone can make you guilty of felony murder.

It could happen but you have to get 12 people to agree it was murder. That is a pretty high hill to climb. I see a jury compromising on some other wrongful death charge.

Nope.

There's basically two elements to a Felony. You were participating in a Felony, and someone died.

That's it.

If Arbery had taken the shot gun from the Michael's kid and killed him with it, since father and son were committing a felony at the time of the death, daddy is still guilty of "Felony Murder".

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Flaherty's take on the Ahmaud Arbery case.

Link to podcast.

People like AS, Ejp, IS, Tarq, DeFlave and Paul arent interested in hearing the truth. Truths cant be defeated. They prefer to keep the discussion in the opinion arena. Truths prove them wrong, and they arent tough enough to man up and accept that.

Originally Posted by ingwe

I didn't read all 78 pages of this, and only caught a blurb on the news that this was being judged as a Hate Crime.

I dont know any of the circumstances but actually they dont matter. Why is it when a black kills a white, its NOT a hate crime?

Gotta keep the double standard alive, and the professional victim status going.

This one will not hit the hate crime threshold. It may be looked at as one, but unless the brothers have run their mouths on an internet forum or such and demonstrated racism, they are going to be okay on the hate crime aspect.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Flaherty's take on the Ahmaud Arbery case.

Link to podcast.

People like AS, Ejp, IS, Tarq, DeFlave and Paul arent interested in hearing the truth. Truths cant be defeated. They prefer to keep the discussion in the opinion arena. Truths prove them wrong, and they arent tough enough to man up and accept that.

Hahahahaha you have got to be the most ignorant sob ive ever met...

In many posts, its all political, boasting about america, rights etc etc...

Then in others its 180*....

You truly are a special type of retard......

Originally Posted by jaguartx

People like AS, Ejp, IS, Tarq, DeFlave and Paul arent interested in hearing the truth. Truths cant be defeated. They prefer to keep the discussion in the opinion arena. Truths prove them wrong, and they arent tough enough to man up and accept that.

You get dumber by the day.

Mm mWell, all would be ok if the entire country were Montana and they had been raised with love and respec.

So, why dont you answer Ingwe's post. Why arent blecks ever accused of hate crimes.

Col Travis, you and the PC crew I mentioned are enablers of things like this.

When defeated by the truth, you, like a PC lieberal resort to asinine insults to prove your case.

Why dont you write letters to these victims relatives and tell them how their killers didnt mean it.

https://time.com/5750299/tessa-majors-stabbing-barnard/

https://www.google.com/search?q=cen...&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Mm mWell, all would be ok if the entire country were Montana and they had been raised with love and respec.

So, why dont you answer Ingwe's post. Why arent blecks ever accused of hate crimes.

Because I believe ingwe is a smart guy and is asking a rhetorical question.

Unlike you, who is dumber than a dillldo.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Flaherty's take on the Ahmaud Arbery case.

Link to podcast.

People like AS, Ejp, IS, Tarq, DeFlave and Paul arent interested in hearing the truth. Truths cant be defeated. They prefer to keep the discussion in the opinion arena. Truths prove them wrong, and they arent tough enough to man up and accept that.

I have repeatedly cited law and measured all parties actions against the law. I have not spewed off some half-cocked, half-witted racist blather. I'll restate the positions I have taken.

Irrespective of the judicial outcome, I believe the accused will wish they had never done what they did and wouldn't do the same thing all over again if given the opportunity. The fact is that not a single person here has said they would do exactly as the accused did, so that should be telling you something.

The racist language spewed in this thread and across this forum is sickening and saddening. Those that do it perpetuate the gun owner=racist stereotype. In the unlikely event that those belching forth racial bile ever have to use force against a black person, the are going to regret believing the internet afforded them anonymity.

The facts of this case when measured against the elements of the law make it a legally complicated. It is not a legal slam dunk one way or another. If anyone wants to take the position the accused will get off with no punishment, I am willing to make a bet with you.

I'll stand by and wait for your obfuscation.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by jaguartx

People like AS, Ejp, IS, Tarq, DeFlave and Paul arent interested in hearing the truth. Truths cant be defeated. They prefer to keep the discussion in the opinion arena. Truths prove them wrong, and they arent tough enough to man up and accept that.

You get dumber by the day.

You have to respect progress!

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Mm mWell, all would be ok if the entire country were Montana and they had been raised with love and respec.

So, why dont you answer Ingwe's post. Why arent blecks ever accused of hate crimes.

Because I believe ingwe is a smart guy and is asking a rhetorical question.

Unlike you, who is dumber than a dillldo.

Liar. You dont answer his question because you dont want to call him, a campfire wheel, a dumbass, and that's the only answer you've got. You can think that of him for the question he asked, but you dont have the guts to reply to him with that feeble, idiotic response.

Tell me, mr genius, about all the cases you're aware of, of whites pulling schiett like this. Show us your smarts, and explain why schiett like this happens. You wont, because you cant.

Keep living in the world you see through your rose colored glasses.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Mm mWell, all would be ok if the entire country were Montana and they had been raised with love and respec.

So, why dont you answer Ingwe's post. Why arent blecks ever accused of hate crimes.

Because I believe ingwe is a smart guy and is asking a rhetorical question.

Unlike you, who is dumber than a dillldo.

Liar. You dont answer his question because you dont want to call him, a campfire wheel, a dumbass, and that's the only answer you've got. You can think that of him for the question he asked, but you dont have the guts to reply to him with that feeble, idiotic response.

Tell me, mr genius, about all the cases you're aware of, of whites pulling schiett like this. Show us your smarts, and explain why schiett like this happens. You wont, because you cant.

Keep living in the world you see through your rose colored glasses.

Was the victim white? If not, what does that have to do with the hate crime tangent of the discussion Captain Obfuscate?

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Col Travis, you and the PC crew I mentioned are enablers of things like this.

When defeated by the truth, you, like a PC lieberal resort to asinine insults to prove your case.

Why dont you write letters to these victims relatives and tell them how their killers didnt mean it.

https://time.com/5750299/tessa-majors-stabbing-barnard/

https://www.google.com/search?q=cen...&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

What is your fascination of labeling people certain things that are unrelated, when all they are doing is examining case law?? PC, race baiters, etc etc....

The only person mentioning race, is you.... I think the people you point fingers at, are looking at what happened, not what color anyone was.... tell me again how christian you are? Doing gods work are ya?

Keep sucking bleck ass with Travis, Paul. Tell us how sweet and superior it makes you feel. You talk a good game. Walk the walk. Move into the projects with them.

jag, that video assiduously blocks out her hands and face, so I assume she's white. Is this correct?

It doesn't matter if shes white or black or green, brown or yellow. She was victimized by the privileged crew.

The animals turn on anyone they can gang up on and take down for whatever reason they wish, and enablers will look the other way and deny they are any different than you or me, as you see on the enablers do on the fire.

Theres nothing wrong with the guy who got killed, or the attackers of others.

There is something wrong with people like you, me and Bristoe. We are racialistas. You know why? Because that's all they've got.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Keep sucking bleck ass with Travis, Paul. Tell us how sweet and superior it makes you feel. You talk a good game. Walk the walk. Move into the projects with them.

Why would I move into the projects with "them?" I'll clue you in on something here. I don't want to move into the trailer park either, and I don't care how nice the doublewides are or how big of a rebel flag they fly.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Mm mWell, all would be ok if the entire country were Montana and they had been raised with love and respec.

So, why dont you answer Ingwe's post. Why arent blecks ever accused of hate crimes.

Because I believe ingwe is a smart guy and is asking a rhetorical question.

Unlike you, who is dumber than a dillldo.

LMAO

Originally Posted by jaguartx

It doesn't matter if shes white or black or green, brown or yellow. She was victimized by the privileged crew.

The animals turn on anyone they can gang up on and take down for whatever reason they wish, and enablers will look the other way and deny they are any different than you or me, as you see on the enablers do on the fire.

Theres nothing wrong with the guy who got killed, or the attackers of others.

There is something wrong with people like you, me and Bristoe. We are racialistas. You know why? Because that's all they've got.

A few posts back you were sniveling about me avoiding the truth. Yet nearly every one of your rants is disconnected from the truth. The truth is that race is legally meaningless when measuring the facts of this case against the language of the law. I can guarantee you this. If the races were reversed in this case, you'd be taking a completely different stand. I know that, you know that, and everyone else in here knows that.

The racism is glaring in this thread.

From Dept of Justice 2018 info:

Of the 6,266 known hate crime offenders:

53.6% were White
24.0% were Black or African American
12.9% race unknown

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by Starman

"Felony Murder" = when a death occurs during the commission of an "inherently dangerous felony.". It doesn't matter that they didn't intend to shoot the victim . The mere fact that you were committing a felony and killed someone can make you guilty of felony murder.

It could happen but you have to get 12 people to agree it was murder. That is a pretty high hill to climb. I see a jury compromising on some other wrongful death charge.

Nope. There's basically two elements to a Felony. You were participating in a Felony, and someone died. That's it. If Arbery had taken the shot gun from the Michael's kid and killed him with it, since father and son were committing a felony at the time of the death, daddy is still guilty of "Felony Murder".

As usual you are right. But a jury of 12 is going to have to agree and it is likely if not probable they will compromise to get a unanimous verdict. You can bet a defense lawyer is going to have some help in picking out jurors to strike and the judge can strike folks with obvious bias. The dad may even go free. I can see son pleading to something to get Dad out of it or at least get Dad down to aggravated assault. I'm sure you are aware that juries can run completely off the rails and ignore evidence and acquit an obviously guilty man. If that happens the judge is powerless.

DA say men are not guilty of a crime

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/video/682162

Originally Posted by jwp475

DA say men are not guilty of a crime

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/video/682162

The same DA the dad worked for before retiring, and the same DA the son currently works for.... that didnt recuse himself from the get go due to the obvious... and failed to take it to a grand jury???

LMAO...

The same DA thats currently being federally investigated??

LMAO...

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

DA say men are not guilty of a crime

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/video/682162

The same DA the dad worked for before retiring, and the same DA the son currently works for.... that didnt recuse himself from the get go due to the obvious... and failed to take it to a grand jury???

LMAO...

The same DA thats currently being federally investigated??

LMAO...

Yea.....that one...

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

DA say men are not guilty of a crime

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/video/682162

The same DA the dad worked for before retiring, and the same DA the son currently works for.... that didnt recuse himself from the get go due to the obvious... and failed to take it to a grand jury???

LMAO...

The same DA thats currently being federally investigated??

LMAO...

I'm LMAO at you since you dont have a clue. The 2 had probable cause which puts them on legal grounds to make the stop

Dumb ass

Originally Posted by WhiteTail48

Of the 6,266 known hate crime offenders:

53.6% were White
24.0% were Black or African American
12.9% race unknown

A lot of incredibly dumb things have been posted in this thread, and I didn’t read even half of it, but this is the dumbest I’ve seen.

And on top of it all we still don't have enough evidence to make an informed decision.

Originally Posted by plainsman456

And on top of it all we still don't have enough evidence to make an informed decision.

You are going to confuse most here with facts

Originally Posted by WhiteTail48

The racism is glaring in this thread.

From Dept of Justice 2018 info:

Of the 6,266 known hate crime offenders:

53.6% were White
24.0% were Black or African American
12.9% race unknown

Who's doing the measuring and building the statistics?

Yep. Exactly.

Horseschit.

Originally Posted by mirage243

If the little jogger hadn't been seen multiple times where he didn't belong, he'd still be breathing. Case closed, end of story. Nobody just went and killed an innocent "jogger".

Stupidest comment I've probably ever read on the 24HCF. If you're jogging where you don't "belong" it's OK for someone to just assassinate you?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

jag, that video assiduously blocks out her hands and face, so I assume she's white. Is this correct?

I made that assumption because I'm a racist. Fuggin savages.

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

DA say men are not guilty of a crime

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/video/682162

The same DA the dad worked for before retiring, and the same DA the son currently works for.... that didnt recuse himself from the get go due to the obvious... and failed to take it to a grand jury???

LMAO...

The same DA thats currently being federally investigated??

LMAO...

I'm LMAO at you since you dont have a clue. The 2 had probable cause which puts them on legal grounds to make the stop

Dumb ass

Probable cause??? What probable cause?? Let us know....

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

DA say men are not guilty of a crime

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/video/682162

The same DA the dad worked for before retiring, and the same DA the son currently works for.... that didnt recuse himself from the get go due to the obvious... and failed to take it to a grand jury???

LMAO...

The same DA thats currently being federally investigated??

LMAO...

I'm LMAO at you since you dont have a clue. The 2 had probable cause which puts them on legal grounds to make the stop

Dumb ass

Probable cause??? What probable cause?? Let us know....

You are dumber than I thought
Google is your friend

Originally Posted by WhiteTail48

The racism is glaring in this thread.

From Dept of Justice 2018 info:

Of the 6,266 known hate crime offenders:

53.6% were White
24.0% were Black or African American
12.9% race unknown

Whereas all that Black on White and Black on Black crime is perpetrated in a mindset of perfect benevolence

Brings up the lunacy of “hate crime” in the first place.

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

DA say men are not guilty of a crime

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/video/682162

The same DA the dad worked for before retiring, and the same DA the son currently works for.... that didnt recuse himself from the get go due to the obvious... and failed to take it to a grand jury???

LMAO...

The same DA thats currently being federally investigated??

LMAO...

I'm LMAO at you since you dont have a clue. The 2 had probable cause which puts them on legal grounds to make the stop

Dumb ass

Probable cause??? What probable cause?? Let us know....

You are dumber than I thought
Google is your friend

Truly an everyday intellectual... Hence their arrests, and being denied bail... you can google all of that too.

Originally Posted by local_dirt

Originally Posted by WhiteTail48

The racism is glaring in this thread.

From Dept of Justice 2018 info:

Of the 6,266 known hate crime offenders:

53.6% were White
24.0% were Black or African American
12.9% race unknown

Who's doing the measuring and building the statistics?

Yep. Exactly.

Horseschit.

So, blacks are 12% of the population, but make up 24% of the hate crime convictions.
Perhaps those numbers don't mean what you think they mean?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

DA say men are not guilty of a crime

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/video/682162

The same DA the dad worked for before retiring, and the same DA the son currently works for.... that didnt recuse himself from the get go due to the obvious... and failed to take it to a grand jury???

LMAO...

The same DA thats currently being federally investigated??

LMAO...

I'm LMAO at you since you dont have a clue. The 2 had probable cause which puts them on legal grounds to make the stop

Dumb ass

Probable cause??? What probable cause?? Let us know....

You are dumber than I thought
Google is your friend

Truly an everyday intellectual... Hence their arrests, and being denied bail... you can google all of that too.

To borrow a phrase "you are dumber than a [bleep]"
Of course you ignore this isn't st about legalities since it has become a political hot potato

j

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by local_dirt

Originally Posted by WhiteTail48

The racism is glaring in this thread.

From Dept of Justice 2018 info:

Of the 6,266 known hate crime offenders:

53.6% were White
24.0% were Black or African American
12.9% race unknown

Who's doing the measuring and building the statistics?

Yep. Exactly.

Horseschit.

So, blacks are 12% of the population, but make up 24% of the hate crime convictions.
Perhaps those numbers don't mean what you think they mean?

The number of hate crimes by blacks is much larger. I've been a landlord in Miami for over 20 years. I know wtf I'm talking about. Not so sure about you.

Originally Posted by local_dirt

Originally Posted by WhiteTail48

The racism is glaring in this thread.

From Dept of Justice 2018 info:

Of the 6,266 known hate crime offenders:

53.6% were White
24.0% were Black or African American
12.9% race unknown

Who's doing the measuring and building the statistics?

Yep. Exactly.

Horseschit.

Hint: before any of you get any more brain damage talking about these metrics, probably good to know they all add up to only 90.5%.

That should tell you something......

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

DA say men are not guilty of a crime

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/video/682162

The same DA the dad worked for before retiring, and the same DA the son currently works for.... that didnt recuse himself from the get go due to the obvious... and failed to take it to a grand jury???

LMAO...

The same DA thats currently being federally investigated??

LMAO...

Like Flynn was being Federally investigated?

The spineless eunuchs on the Fire who wont call a spade a spade are no better than those "men" in Sweden and Great Britain and Germany who are letting the Bleck moslems from North Afreaka take over their country, live off the state as refugees, butcher the men and rape the girls and women and look the other way for the benefit of Political Correctness.

Originally Posted by jwp475

I'm LMAO at you since you dont have a clue. The 2 had probable cause which puts them on legal grounds to make the stop

Dumb ass

During their trial it will be determined if they even had probable cause to stop him. The two suspects version of probable cause may not meet the standard. They shot a person that apparently wasn’t a burglary suspect at all, except for in their minds. You don’t get to shoot the wrong people. Where there is probable cause, allowed the police to arrest the two suspects.

Originally Posted by WhiteTail48

The racism is glaring in this thread.

From Dept of Justice 2018 info:

Of the 6,266 known hate crime offenders:

53.6% were White
24.0% were Black or African American
12.9% race unknown

Obviously a racist graph. Blacks make up 13% of the population yet they kill about 3X as many whites as whites kill blacks. They must be love killings by the blacks, however. Since none of them seem to get classified as hate crimes.

Originally Posted by smallfry

Originally Posted by jwp475

I'm LMAO at you since you dont have a clue. The 2 had probable cause which puts them on legal grounds to make the stop

Dumb ass

During their trial it will be determined if they even had probable cause to stop him. The two suspects version of probable cause may not meet the standard. They shot a person that apparently wasn’t a burglary suspect at all, except for in their minds. You don’t get to shoot the wrong people. Where there is probable cause, allowed the police to arrest the two suspects.

Yes he was a suspect there was a call to the police about him coming out of a vonstructin propert home, which would put them on legal grounds for a citizens arrest in Georgia

Didn't get classified as a hate crime,....didn't make the national TV news. My guess is, the perp recently watched Django Unchained on Hulu.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/12/married-couple-killed-at-delaware-veterans-cemetery-identified/

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Obviously a racist graph. Blacks make up 13% of the population yet they kill about 3X as many whites as whites kill blacks. They must be love killings by the blacks, however. Since none of them seem to get classified as hate crimes.

It’s actually worse than that. Young (14-40) black males are 3% of the population, yet commit 57% of all violent crime. That’s sad as hell.

P

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by WhiteTail48

The racism is glaring in this thread.

From Dept of Justice 2018 info:

Of the 6,266 known hate crime offenders:

53.6% were White
24.0% were Black or African American
12.9% race unknown

Obviously a racist graph. Blacks make up 13% of the population yet they kill about 3X as many whites as whites kill blacks. They must be love killings by the blacks, however. Since none of them seem to get classified as hate crimes.

Are really that dumb. That's roughly what would be expected if if murders were random with respect to race.

Originally Posted by duck911

Originally Posted by local_dirt

Originally Posted by WhiteTail48

The racism is glaring in this thread.

From Dept of Justice 2018 info:

Of the 6,266 known hate crime offenders:

53.6% were White
24.0% were Black or African American
12.9% race unknown

Who's doing the measuring and building the statistics?

Yep. Exactly.

Horseschit.

Hint: before any of you get any more brain damage talking about these metrics, probably good to know they all add up to only 90.5%.

That should tell you something......

What it tells me is what printed statistics almost always tell me. NOT A DAMN THING.

My "statistics" are learned through my own real world experience.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by WhiteTail48

The racism is glaring in this thread.

From Dept of Justice 2018 info:

Of the 6,266 known hate crime offenders:

53.6% were White
24.0% were Black or African American
12.9% race unknown

Obviously a racist graph. Blacks make up 13% of the population yet they kill about 3X as many whites as whites kill blacks. They must be love killings by the blacks, however. Since none of them seem to get classified as hate crimes.

Are really that dumb. That's roughly what would be expected if if murders were random with respect to race.

It's expected that blacks kill 3X as many whites as whites kill blacks?

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

That's roughly what would be expected if if murders were random with respect to race.

The what?

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

DA say men are not guilty of a crime

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/video/682162

The same DA the dad worked for before retiring, and the same DA the son currently works for.... that didnt recuse himself from the get go due to the obvious... and failed to take it to a grand jury???

LMAO...

The same DA thats currently being federally investigated??

LMAO...

I'm LMAO at you since you dont have a clue. The 2 had probable cause which puts them on legal grounds to make the stop

Dumb ass

Probable cause??? What probable cause?? Let us know....

You are dumber than I thought
Google is your friend

Truly an everyday intellectual... Hence their arrests, and being denied bail... you can google all of that too.

To borrow a phrase "you are dumber than a [bleep]"
Of course you ignore this isn't st about legalities since it has become a political hot potato

j

I don’t reckon someone who lacks basic english skills, should continue to point out who is dumb or not.

When elementary english is a challenge, the complexities of the american justice system might be flying over your head like a 747.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

It's expected that blacks kill 3X as many whites as whites kill blacks?

I expect that, but I know violent crime and ethnicity are related.

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by smallfry

Originally Posted by jwp475

I'm LMAO at you since you dont have a clue. The 2 had probable cause which puts them on legal grounds to make the stop

Dumb ass

During their trial it will be determined if they even had probable cause to stop him. The two suspects version of probable cause may not meet the standard. They shot a person that apparently wasn’t a burglary suspect at all, except for in their minds. You don’t get to shoot the wrong people. Where there is probable cause, allowed the police to arrest the two suspects.

Yes he was a suspect there was a call to the police about him coming out of a vonstructin propert home, which would put them on legal grounds for a citizens arrest in Georgia

Riddle me this.... if what you say is factual, then why are the father and son locked up without bail currently? Both the GBI and the Judge seem to disagree with you?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Riddle me this.... if what you say is factual, then why are the father and son locked up without bail currently? Both the GBI and the Judge seem to disagree with you?

To save them from being lynched by followers of the race hustlers.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

DA say men are not guilty of a crime

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/video/682162

The same DA the dad worked for before retiring, and the same DA the son currently works for.... that didnt recuse himself from the get go due to the obvious... and failed to take it to a grand jury???

LMAO...

The same DA thats currently being federally investigated??

LMAO...

I'm LMAO at you since you dont have a clue. The 2 had probable cause which puts them on legal grounds to make the stop

Dumb ass

Probable cause??? What probable cause?? Let us know....

You are dumber than I thought
Google is your friend

Truly an everyday intellectual... Hence their arrests, and being denied bail... you can google all of that too.

To borrow a phrase "you are dumber than a [bleep]"
Of course you ignore this isn't st about legalities since it has become a political hot potato

j

I don’t reckon someone who lacks basic english skills, should continue to point out who is dumb or not.

When elementary english is a challenge, the complexities of the american justice system might be flying over your head like a 747.

Same could be said about kool-aid drinkers who vote for corksucking traitors.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by WhiteTail48

The racism is glaring in this thread.

From Dept of Justice 2018 info:

Of the 6,266 known hate crime offenders:

53.6% were White
24.0% were Black or African American
12.9% race unknown

Obviously a racist graph. Blacks make up 13% of the population yet they kill about 3X as many whites as whites kill blacks. They must be love killings by the blacks, however. Since none of them seem to get classified as hate crimes.

Well, the blecks always have a good reason to attack crackers. The crackers have cars, money, Walkmans, watches, bikes, Nike's or puzzy. They are just trying to make life fair, which is why most anti 2A dimocommies are elected to govt.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by smallfry

Originally Posted by jwp475

I'm LMAO at you since you dont have a clue. The 2 had probable cause which puts them on legal grounds to make the stop

Dumb ass

During their trial it will be determined if they even had probable cause to stop him. The two suspects version of probable cause may not meet the standard. They shot a person that apparently wasn’t a burglary suspect at all, except for in their minds. You don’t get to shoot the wrong people. Where there is probable cause, allowed the police to arrest the two suspects.

Yes he was a suspect there was a call to the police about him coming out of a vonstructin propert home, which would put them on legal grounds for a citizens arrest in Georgia

Riddle me this.... if what you say is factual, then why are the father and son locked up without bail currently? Both the GBI and the Judge seem to disagree with you?

Oh hell I forgot everyone that arrested is guilty
You are truly a dumb infividual

Ex-cop charged in Ahmaud Arbery killing was banned from making arrests after skipping use-of-force training: report

The retired police detective facing murder charges in the shooting of Ahmaud Arbery was stripped of his power to arrest people at least twice in his career for repeatedly skipping use-of-force training, his personnel records show.

Gregory McMichael, who’s being held in a Georgia detention center with his co-defendant son, ended up losing his law enforcement certification just four months before he retired last year, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post this week.

The white ex-cop and his son, Travis, were caught on video cornering an unarmed black jogger outside Brunswick on Feb. 23 and fatally shooting him during a struggle. The video and the slow-moving investigation caused a national uproar and accusations of racial profiling.

The suspects, who were charged just days after the video went viral last week, claim they were chasing a burglary suspect when Arbery attacked them.

McMichael’s law enforcement connections have raised questions about conflicts of interest and two prosecutors who previously handled the case are now under investigation. One of them is Brunswick District Attorney Jackie Johnson, who recused herself four days after the shooting.

The 64-year-old former cop worked as an investigator in Johnson’s office for more than 20 years.

The newly surfaced personnel files suggest he was far from being a perfect employee. Johnson’s office was notified in 2014 that McMichael had skipped multiple mandatory training sessions in 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2010, the Post reported Thursday.

“This situation has been a great embarrassment to me and to Investigator McMichael,” she wrote in a letter to the standards and training council. “It has negatively impacted my office, and I have taken measures to ensure that it doesn’t happen again. Please accept my sincere apology.”

The documents show McMichael applied for a waiver for training hours missed between 2006 and 2009 because of health issues.

“Again I do not offer this information as an excuse, I knew full well that I was responsible for attending the proper amount of training but failed to do so,” he reportedly wrote in a waiver application. “The years 2006 through 2009 were a very difficult period in my life. I allowed the difficulty of the situation to cloud my judgment.”

McMichael was granted a waiver in 2014 and was allowed to continue working in Johnson’s office.

But the suspect apparently continued missing training and was eventually stripped of his badge and weapon in February 2019 and was re-classified as a non-sworn employee. He retired four months later.

His attorneys, Laura and Frank Hogue, cautioned against a “rush to judgment” in the high-profile murder case.

“So often the public accepts a narrative driven by an incomplete set of facts, one that vilifies a good person, based on a rush to judgment, which has happened in this case,” Laura Hogue said in a statement Thursday.

An attorney for 34-year-old Travis McMichael said he would hold a news conference Thursday afternoon to comment on the case.

Originally Posted by akasparky

Ex-cop charged in Ahmaud Arbery killing was banned from making arrests after skipping use-of-force training: report

The retired police detective facing murder charges in the shooting of Ahmaud Arbery was stripped of his power to arrest people at least twice in his career for repeatedly skipping use-of-force training, his personnel records show.

Gregory McMichael, who’s being held in a Georgia detention center with his co-defendant son, ended up losing his law enforcement certification just four months before he retired last year, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post this week.

The white ex-cop and his son, Travis, were caught on video cornering an unarmed black jogger outside Brunswick on Feb. 23 and fatally shooting him during a struggle. The video and the slow-moving investigation caused a national uproar and accusations of racial profiling.

The suspects, who were charged just days after the video went viral last week, claim they were chasing a burglary suspect when Arbery attacked them.

McMichael’s law enforcement connections have raised questions about conflicts of interest and two prosecutors who previously handled the case are now under investigation. One of them is Brunswick District Attorney Jackie Johnson, who recused herself four days after the shooting.

The 64-year-old former cop worked as an investigator in Johnson’s office for more than 20 years.

The newly surfaced personnel files suggest he was far from being a perfect employee. Johnson’s office was notified in 2014 that McMichael had skipped multiple mandatory training sessions in 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2010, the Post reported Thursday.

“This situation has been a great embarrassment to me and to Investigator McMichael,” she wrote in a letter to the standards and training council. “It has negatively impacted my office, and I have taken measures to ensure that it doesn’t happen again. Please accept my sincere apology.”

The documents show McMichael applied for a waiver for training hours missed between 2006 and 2009 because of health issues.

“Again I do not offer this information as an excuse, I knew full well that I was responsible for attending the proper amount of training but failed to do so,” he reportedly wrote in a waiver application. “The years 2006 through 2009 were a very difficult period in my life. I allowed the difficulty of the situation to cloud my judgment.”

McMichael was granted a waiver in 2014 and was allowed to continue working in Johnson’s office.

But the suspect apparently continued missing training and was eventually stripped of his badge and weapon in February 2019 and was re-classified as a non-sworn employee. He retired four months later.

His attorneys, Laura and Frank Hogue, cautioned against a “rush to judgment” in the high-profile murder case.

“So often the public accepts a narrative driven by an incomplete set of facts, one that vilifies a good person, based on a rush to judgment, which has happened in this case,” Laura Hogue said in a statement Thursday.

An attorney for 34-year-old Travis McMichael said he would hold a news conference Thursday afternoon to comment on the case.

Missing Use of Force Training is fairly common and that information really doesn't mean anything.

Originally Posted by mirage243

LOL

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Well, the blecks always have a good reason to attack crackers. The crackers have cars, money, Walkmans, watches, bikes, Nike's or puzzy.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Well, the blecks always have a good reason to attack crackers. The crackers have cars, money, Walkmans, watches, bikes, Nike's or puzzy.

Best retort I've seen around here in a LONG time!

thanks

Originally Posted by mirage243

You just won today's internet.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Riddle me this.... if what you say is factual, then why are the father and son locked up without bail currently? Both the GBI and the Judge seem to disagree with you?

To save them from being lynched by followers of the race hustlers.

So, the judge and GBI decided to arrest two american citizens and deny them bail, for their own safety?

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Well, the blecks always have a good reason to attack crackers. The crackers have cars, money, Walkmans, watches, bikes, Nike's or puzzy.

A respectable second.

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by smallfry

Originally Posted by jwp475

I'm LMAO at you since you dont have a clue. The 2 had probable cause which puts them on legal grounds to make the stop

Dumb ass

During their trial it will be determined if they even had probable cause to stop him. The two suspects version of probable cause may not meet the standard. They shot a person that apparently wasn’t a burglary suspect at all, except for in their minds. You don’t get to shoot the wrong people. Where there is probable cause, allowed the police to arrest the two suspects.

Yes he was a suspect there was a call to the police about him coming out of a vonstructin propert home, which would put them on legal grounds for a citizens arrest in Georgia

Riddle me this.... if what you say is factual, then why are the father and son locked up without bail currently? Both the GBI and the Judge seem to disagree with you?

Oh hell I forgot everyone that arrested is guilty
You are truly a dumb infividual

Hahahahahahahahaha you can’t... I mean, is this for... are you being...

I think you are... you don’t even realize why this is funny, do you?

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Riddle me this.... if what you say is factual, then why are the father and son locked up without bail currently? Both the GBI and the Judge seem to disagree with you?

To save them from being lynched by followers of the race hustlers.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Mm mWell, all would be ok if the entire country were Montana and they had been raised with love and respec.

So, why dont you answer Ingwe's post. Why arent blecks ever accused of hate crimes.

Because I believe ingwe is a smart guy and is asking a rhetorical question.

Unlike you, who is dumber than a dillldo.

It would appear that I have ignited a small fire.

But Deflave is entirely correct on this one.

I am a smart guy ( and modest ) and the question was rhetorical, and asked out of frustration and sheer meanness on my part.

For this I don't apologize.

And Deflave would never say anything bad about me to my face.

Cause he's in Florida and I'm in SW Montucky.

I think it goes without saying that "hate crimes" are, and always have been complete bullschit.

They're akin to "tougher sentencing" when a firearm is used in a crime.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Originally Posted by deflave

Missing Use of Force Training is fairly common and that information really doesn't mean anything.

Maybe not for you but for him it meant being stripped of his badge and weapon and being re-classified as a non sworn employee...then he quit...

In a sense you are right, it was obvious he was a tool anyway....

Quote

But the suspect apparently continued missing training and was eventually stripped of his badge and weapon in February 2019 and was re-classified as a non-sworn employee. He retired four months later

We think hate crimes are bullschit.

We want special sentencing to apply if someone commits a hate crime against us.

Hmmm.....

Originally Posted by akasparky

Originally Posted by deflave

Missing Use of Force Training is fairly common and that information really doesn't mean anything.

Maybe not for you but for him it meant being stripped of his badge and weapon and being re-classified as a non sworn employee...then he quit...

In a sense you are right, it was obvious he was a tool anyway....

Quote

But the suspect apparently continued missing training and was eventually stripped of his badge and weapon in February 2019 and was re-classified as a non-sworn employee. He retired four months later

Certainly explains his staying in the truck. LOL

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by akasparky

Originally Posted by deflave

Missing Use of Force Training is fairly common and that information really doesn't mean anything.

Maybe not for you but for him it meant being stripped of his badge and weapon and being re-classified as a non sworn employee...then he quit...

In a sense you are right, it was obvious he was a tool anyway....

Quote

But the suspect apparently continued missing training and was eventually stripped of his badge and weapon in February 2019 and was re-classified as a non-sworn employee. He retired four months later

Certainly explains his staying in the truck. LOL

He didn't stay in the truck in the video I saw, he got out of the cab and was hiding behind it, pretty much standard training putting a vehicle between yourself and the guy with the gun....which was his son..lol...

Originally Posted by Valsdad

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Well, the blecks always have a good reason to attack crackers. The crackers have cars, money, Walkmans, watches, bikes, Nike's or puzzy.

Best retort I've seen around here in a LONG time!

thanks

Second best was when Travis said the blecks in Montana were wonderful peaceful folks because they were raised there with love and respect, or some such BS, instead of being truthful and saying there werent enough there to gang up on crackers.

They have truly done wonders for St Louis, Chitcago and Detroit.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

They have truly done wonders for St Louis, Chitcago and Detroit.

Yep, you can't show me one single community in America where they have moved in and bettered the area. They destroy every single neighborhood, and turn it into a crime ridden sheithole.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

If you don’t mind the PC violation.....where did you graduate in your class, Mike?

How many attempts at the bar? If you are a lawyer.

Thanks in advance, for your response.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

Originally Posted by mirage243

If the little jogger hadn't been seen multiple times where he didn't belong, he'd still be breathing. Case closed, end of story. Nobody just went and killed an innocent "jogger".

Even in the most rural precincts of Alabama you don't get to light a fugger up for trespassing. You ain't in Texas gomer.

We don't care for your kind in these here parts.

LMFAO

mike r

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

If you don’t mind the PC violation.....where did you graduate in your class, Mike?

How many attempts at the bar? If you are a lawyer.

Thanks in advance, for your response.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

Originally Posted by mirage243

If the little jogger hadn't been seen multiple times where he didn't belong, he'd still be breathing. Case closed, end of story. Nobody just went and killed an innocent "jogger".

Even in the most rural precincts of Alabama you don't get to light a fugger up for trespassing. You ain't in Texas gomer.

We don't care for your kind in these here parts.

LMFAO

mike r

If the question is am I a lawyer? The answer is no. My profile, which is available to any who would bother to do any research for themselves indicates that I am a retired Firearms Instructor. I have been certified to teach self defense, small arms and use of force since 2001 by DOD, DOE, USDOS and the State of Nevada. I have taught and certified >20k CCW qualifiers. None of whom have been charged w/ illegal use of force.

The only fact that I have argued on this thread is the appropriate use of deadly force by regular folks like most on this site. Initial aggressor and Reasonable Man Doctrine are pertinent to all who would potentially use deadly force in self defense.

Many here would rather rant mindlessly about racial injustice than examine the facts pertinent to the many here that chose to be armed and intend to protect both themselves and others.

The fact remains that a good rule of thumb and a guide to a good life remains: Deadly force should ONLY be used when an innocent human being is in immediate jeopardy of death or great bodily harm.

Profiling is a tool used by any reasonable person in the America of today. Racial, hell yes but judiciously, along w/ location, local culture, time of day etc., etc. I am a racist and a nationalist and white but don't let that pollute my thinking or my judgement.

mike r

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by smallfry

Originally Posted by jwp475

I'm LMAO at you since you dont have a clue. The 2 had probable cause which puts them on legal grounds to make the stop

Dumb ass

During their trial it will be determined if they even had probable cause to stop him. The two suspects version of probable cause may not meet the standard. They shot a person that apparently wasn’t a burglary suspect at all, except for in their minds. You don’t get to shoot the wrong people. Where there is probable cause, allowed the police to arrest the two suspects.

Yes he was a suspect there was a call to the police about him coming out of a vonstructin propert home, which would put them on legal grounds for a citizens arrest in Georgia

Riddle me this.... if what you say is factual, then why are the father and son locked up without bail currently? Both the GBI and the Judge seem to disagree with you?

Oh hell I forgot everyone that arrested is guilty
You are truly a dumb infividual

Hahahahahahahahaha you can’t... I mean, is this for... are you being...

I think you are... you don’t even realize why this is funny, do you?

You don't even know enough to know what it is you don't know
dipstick

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by WhiteTail48

The racism is glaring in this thread.

From Dept of Justice 2018 info:

Of the 6,266 known hate crime offenders:

53.6% were White
24.0% were Black or African American
12.9% race unknown

Obviously a racist graph. Blacks make up 13% of the population yet they kill about 3X as many whites as whites kill blacks. They must be love killings by the blacks, however. Since none of them seem to get classified as hate crimes.

Let us crunch the numbers correctly. 13% of the population committing 24% of the “hate” crimes means that individual Black folks commit twice as many as individual White folks even given an enormous bias against labeling Black on White crimes as “hate” crimes.

Likewise about one eighth of the population is killing three times as many White folks as the reverse which translates to indicate individual Black folks are killing White folks at a rate more’n twenty times the rate Of White people killing Black folks.

Da boomers are testing the waters....seeing maybe if they can get protection under the hated Hate Crimes laws.

Seeing how they are so fugging vulnerable.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Da boomers are testing the waters....seeing maybe if they can get protection under the hated Hate Crimes laws.

Seeing how they are so fugging vulnerable.

Your kids are going to need that protection much more than today's boomers.

But laugh it up.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Da boomers are testing the waters....seeing maybe if they can get protection under the hated Hate Crimes laws.

Seeing how they are so fugging vulnerable.

This boomer isn't vulnerable. Sensitive, yes, but not vulnerable.

mike r

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Da boomers are testing the waters....seeing maybe if they can get protection under the hated Hate Crimes laws.

Seeing how they are so fugging vulnerable.

Not really, no one’s put up numbers yet but prob’ly just the Black people in Chicago alone kill many more Black folks than Blacks kill White folks across the whole country.

Most Hispanics around here are killed by other Hipanics. Not many lower-income White folks here but the Aryan Brotherhood do their part once in a while.

Indians might still be killing more Indians than the White folks ever did I dunno.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Da boomers are testing the waters....seeing maybe if they can get protection under the hated Hate Crimes laws.

Seeing how they are so fugging vulnerable.

Not really, no one’s put up numbers yet but prob’ly just the Black people in Chicago alone kill many more Black folks than Blacks kill White folks across the whole country.

Most Hispanics around here are killed by other Hipanics. Not many lower-income White folks here but the Aryan Brotherhood do their part once in a while.

Indians might still be killing more Indians than the White folks ever did I dunno.

Aryan Brotherhood? LOL. Let's see some stats.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Second best was when Travis said the blecks in Montana were wonderful peaceful folks because they were raised there with love and respect, or some such BS, instead of being truthful and saying there werent enough there to gang up on crackers.

They have truly done wonders for St Louis, Chitcago and Detroit.

Why do you keep mentioning Montana?

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Da boomers are testing the waters....seeing maybe if they can get protection under the hated Hate Crimes laws.

Seeing how they are so fugging vulnerable.

Your kids are going to need that protection much more than today's boomers.

But laugh it up.

And his kids more than that, but it's obvious Jim deals with them enough to know all about it.

Well, I mean, its plain to see he watched Roots.

Ok, boomer

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by smallfry

Originally Posted by jwp475

I'm LMAO at you since you dont have a clue. The 2 had probable cause which puts them on legal grounds to make the stop

Dumb ass

During their trial it will be determined if they even had probable cause to stop him. The two suspects version of probable cause may not meet the standard. They shot a person that apparently wasn’t a burglary suspect at all, except for in their minds. You don’t get to shoot the wrong people. Where there is probable cause, allowed the police to arrest the two suspects.

Yes he was a suspect there was a call to the police about him coming out of a vonstructin propert home, which would put them on legal grounds for a citizens arrest in Georgia

Riddle me this.... if what you say is factual, then why are the father and son locked up without bail currently? Both the GBI and the Judge seem to disagree with you?

Oh hell I forgot everyone that arrested is guilty
You are truly a dumb infividual

Hahahahahahahahaha you can’t... I mean, is this for... are you being...

I think you are... you don’t even realize why this is funny, do you?

You don't even know enough to know what it is you don't know
dipstick

Your posts read as if Sloth was speaking. You lack the most simplistic grammar skills, and spell the most basic words incorrectly. This forum underlines the misspelled words for you, making those mistakes easy to figure out. I realize the “.” is difficult to understand where it is to be placed... but you should master its use before lashing insults about intelligence.

Mr. Sloth, it would appear the joke is on you.

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Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Riddle me this.... if what you say is factual, then why are the father and son locked up without bail currently? Both the GBI and the Judge seem to disagree with you?

To save them from being lynched by followers of the race hustlers.

Sleep well, our future is secure.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Sleep well, our future is secure.

How many joggers do you encounter every day in West Texas?

LOL

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by jaguartx

They have truly done wonders for St Louis, Chitcago and Detroit.

Yep, you can't show me one single community in America where they have moved in and bettered the area. They destroy every single neighborhood, and turn it into a crime ridden sheithole.

There's one across the street and down about 150 yards from my place. My nearest neighbor in fact. Hasn't ruined this neighborhood. Matter of fact, I may get over to his place this afternoon to finish some tractor work. Or maybe this weekend.

His father and step mom lived a couple of miles from here (which isn't to far away in our 'hood) and from the old timers around here he seems to have been a welcome addition to the community, pastor and all that.

Of course, seeing as how his dad was of the pastor persuasion, my neighbor was likely raised with love and respect? Or could it be he found "religion"?

Geno

PS, both are vets too and fought internal demons for awhile

There is video out with an ex Georgia cop going over security camera video and explaining Georgia law and how it pertains to the case it would do many of you good look this up and find it. Maybe somebody's posted it on here I don't know I do not know how to post videos on here

Originally Posted by Valsdad

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by jaguartx

They have truly done wonders for St Louis, Chitcago and Detroit.

Yep, you can't show me one single community in America where they have moved in and bettered the area. They destroy every single neighborhood, and turn it into a crime ridden sheithole.

There's one across the street and down about 150 yards from my place. My nearest neighbor in fact. Hasn't ruined this neighborhood. Matter of fact, I may get over to his place this afternoon to finish some tractor work. Or maybe this weekend.

His father and step mom lived a couple of miles from here (which isn't to far away in our 'hood) and from the old timers around here he seems to have been a welcome addition to the community, pastor and all that.

Of course, seeing as how his dad was of the pastor persuasion, my neighbor was likely raised with love and respect? Or could it be he found "religion"?

Geno

PS, both are vets too and fought internal demons for awhile

I said community, as in several. There are good ones everywhere, I personally know a few, but move in 10 houses full of them and see what hapoens to the neighborhood.

Originally Posted by ldholton

There is video out with an ex Georgia cop going over security camera video and explaining Georgia law and how it pertains to the case it would do many of you good look this up and find it. Maybe somebody's posted it on here I don't know I do not know how to post videos on here

Oh thank God.

The internet was running low on opinions.

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Aryan Brotherhood? LOL. Let's see some stats.

Two or three reported over the years as such, cons killing cons, of little or no import to the rest of us.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jwp475

Originally Posted by smallfry

Originally Posted by jwp475

I'm LMAO at you since you dont have a clue. The 2 had probable cause which puts them on legal grounds to make the stop

Dumb ass

During their trial it will be determined if they even had probable cause to stop him. The two suspects version of probable cause may not meet the standard. They shot a person that apparently wasn’t a burglary suspect at all, except for in their minds. You don’t get to shoot the wrong people. Where there is probable cause, allowed the police to arrest the two suspects.

Yes he was a suspect there was a call to the police about him coming out of a vonstructin propert home, which would put them on legal grounds for a citizens arrest in Georgia

Riddle me this.... if what you say is factual, then why are the father and son locked up without bail currently? Both the GBI and the Judge seem to disagree with you?

Oh hell I forgot everyone that arrested is guilty
You are truly a dumb infividual

Hahahahahahahahaha you can’t... I mean, is this for... are you being...

I think you are... you don’t even realize why this is funny, do you?

You don't even know enough to know what it is you don't know
dipstick

Your posts read as if Sloth was speaking. You lack the most simplistic grammar skills, and spell the most basic words incorrectly. This forum underlines the misspelled words for you, making those mistakes easy to figure out. I realize the “.” is difficult to understand where it is to be placed... but you should master its use before lashing insults about intelligence.

Mr. Sloth, it would appear the joke is on you.

And the stupid is strong on this one

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by ldholton

There is video out with an ex Georgia cop going over security camera video and explaining Georgia law and how it pertains to the case it would do many of you good look this up and find it. Maybe somebody's posted it on here I don't know I do not know how to post videos on here

Oh thank God.

The internet was running low on opinions.

Well I can't totally disagree with that statement, the guy commenting on the surveillance footage explains the law legal and illegal and why and does a good job of it. explains his credentials beforehand he is only human I'm sure he's not perfect what has a lot better inside than most people

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Da boomers are testing the waters....seeing maybe if they can get protection under the hated Hate Crimes laws.

Seeing how they are so fugging vulnerable.

Your kids are going to need that protection much more than today's boomers.

But laugh it up.

Jim’s kids are gonna be captured by some Plains Cree on a trash run, and raised as Injuns, they’ll stop in and visit sometimes.

Originally Posted by akasparky

Ex-cop charged in Ahmaud Arbery killing was banned from making arrests after skipping use-of-force training: report....

McMichael’s law enforcement connections have raised questions about conflicts of interest...
Johnson’s office was notified in 2014 that McMichael had skipped multiple mandatory training sessions in 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2010,...

The same DA [Johnson] who personally intervened
to get G.McMichael a waiver on his lapsed training,
also intervened to stop investigating police who were
ready and willing to go arrest Mic Jnr. and Snr.

the incompetence, poor judgement and skulldugery
slowly but surely reveals intself.

DA Barnhill who was given the case by shifty Johnson,
wrote that McMichaels had 'first-hand strong probable cause'
And some unquestionably believe it, even though
the investigating police themselves didn't.

Brunswick DA office sweeps so much schitt
under the carpet, that it looks like two pigs
under a blanket.

Thank you for your answer.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

If you don’t mind the PC violation.....where did you graduate in your class, Mike?

How many attempts at the bar? If you are a lawyer.

Thanks in advance, for your response.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

Originally Posted by mirage243

If the little jogger hadn't been seen multiple times where he didn't belong, he'd still be breathing. Case closed, end of story. Nobody just went and killed an innocent "jogger".

Even in the most rural precincts of Alabama you don't get to light a fugger up for trespassing. You ain't in Texas gomer.

We don't care for your kind in these here parts.

LMFAO

mike r

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

If you don’t mind the PC violation.....where did you graduate in your class, Mike?

How many attempts at the bar? If you are a lawyer.

Thanks in advance, for your response.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

Originally Posted by mirage243

If the little jogger hadn't been seen multiple times where he didn't belong, he'd still be breathing. Case closed, end of story. Nobody just went and killed an innocent "jogger".

Even in the most rural precincts of Alabama you don't get to light a fugger up for trespassing. You ain't in Texas gomer.

We don't care for your kind in these here parts.

LMFAO

mike r

If the question is am I a lawyer? The answer is no. My profile, which is available to any who would bother to do any research for themselves indicates that I am a retired Firearms Instructor. I have been certified to teach self defense, small arms and use of force since 2001 by DOD, DOE, USDOS and the State of Nevada. I have taught and certified >20k CCW qualifiers. None of whom have been charged w/ illegal use of force.

The only fact that I have argued on this thread is the appropriate use of deadly force by regular folks like most on this site. Initial aggressor and Reasonable Man Doctrine are pertinent to all who would potentially use deadly force in self defense.

Many here would rather rant mindlessly about racial injustice than examine the facts pertinent to the many here that chose to be armed and intend to protect both themselves and others.

The fact remains that a good rule of thumb and a guide to a good life remains: Deadly force should ONLY be used when an innocent human being is in immediate jeopardy of death or great bodily harm.

Profiling is a tool used by any reasonable person in the America of today. Racial, hell yes but judiciously, along w/ location, local culture, time of day etc., etc. I am a racist and a nationalist and white but don't let that pollute my thinking or my judgement.

mike r

Originally Posted by ldholton

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by ldholton

There is video out with an ex Georgia cop going over security camera video and explaining Georgia law and how it pertains to the case it would do many of you good look this up and find it. Maybe somebody's posted it on here I don't know I do not know how to post videos on here

Oh thank God.

The internet was running low on opinions.

Well I can't totally disagree with that statement, the guy commenting on the surveillance footage explains the law legal and illegal and why and does a good job of it. explains his credentials beforehand he is only human I'm sure he's not perfect what has a lot better inside than most people

If you're not on the defense or prosecution teams of this case, all a person knows is jack & schit.

LE would be near last on the list if I was seeking
sound legal advice or guidance.

Greg McMichael had over 30 yrs experience In LE.
and hes still in deep schitt despite two DAs doing
him favors.

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by Valsdad

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by jaguartx

They have truly done wonders for St Louis, Chitcago and Detroit.

Yep, you can't show me one single community in America where they have moved in and bettered the area. They destroy every single neighborhood, and turn it into a crime ridden sheithole.

There's one across the street and down about 150 yards from my place. My nearest neighbor in fact. Hasn't ruined this neighborhood. Matter of fact, I may get over to his place this afternoon to finish some tractor work. Or maybe this weekend.

His father and step mom lived a couple of miles from here (which isn't to far away in our 'hood) and from the old timers around here he seems to have been a welcome addition to the community, pastor and all that.

Of course, seeing as how his dad was of the pastor persuasion, my neighbor was likely raised with love and respect? Or could it be he found "religion"?

Geno

PS, both are vets too and fought internal demons for awhile

I said community, as in several. There are good ones everywhere, I personally know a few, but move in 10 houses full of them and see what hapoens to the neighborhood.

Dont go making sense or telling the truth. I just isnt real PC.

Dont you know, the exception proves the rule, besides, that fact requires a mental leap too far.

Originally Posted by Starman

LE would be near last on the list if I was seeking
sound legal advice or guidance.

That's a pretty stupid statement.

LOL

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Dont go making sense or telling the truth. I just isnt real PC.

Dont you know, the exception proves the rule, besides, that fact requires a mental leap too far.

Doctor,

Why do you keep mentioning Montana in this thread?

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Starman

LE would be near last on the list if I was seeking
sound legal advice or guidance.

That's a pretty stupid statement.

LOL

If you want to trust cops for legal advice
go ahead.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Starman

LE would be near last on the list if I was seeking
sound legal advice or guidance.

That's a pretty stupid statement.

LOL

If you want to trust cops for legal advice
go ahead.

Thanks.

https://youtu.be/sjCzJyFKoqo

Perhaps this is the video mentioned above. Forgive me if it’s already been posted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjCzJyFKoqo&feature=youtu.be

Originally Posted by Amos_Moses

https://youtu.be/sjCzJyFKoqo

Perhaps this is the video mentioned above. Forgive me if it’s already been posted.

This one's also been posted:

Originally Posted by deflave

If you're not on the defense or prosecution teams of this case, all a person knows is jack & schit.

Coming from the guy who has been the self proclaimed expert this entire thread, and telling everyone else they are (fill in a name here, retard, dumbb fugk, and a dozen other childish insults)

GTFO. You are a joke.

Originally Posted by Snyper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjCzJyFKoqo&feature=youtu.be

This is the one I found interesting

Originally Posted by deflave

If you're not on the defense or prosecution teams of this case, all a person knows is jack & schit.

I *do* know the joglar was in the house more than the 7 seconds that's been shown.

Unless he learned how ta turn invisible.

But if he knew how ta do that, he woulda done it up by the truck.

Quote

"So often the public accepts a narrative-driven by an incomplete set of facts, one that vilifies a good person, based on a rush to judgment, which has happened in this case," Laura Hogue said in a statement Thursday.

Link

Quote

Less than two weeks before Arbery was shot, Travis McMichael sounded on edge the night of February 11 when he called 911 to report a possible trespasser inside a house under construction in his subdivision.

"Yeah, it just startled me," Travis McMichael replied. "When I turned around and saw him and backed up, he reached into his pocket and ran into the house. So I don't know if he's armed or not. But he looked like, he was acting like he was. So be mindful of that."

Verified by Perez.....

Quote

"We've had a string of burglaries," Travis McMichael said on the 911 recording. "I was leaving the neighborhood and I just caught a guy running into a house being built two houses down from me."

Quote

"But we've been having a lot of burglaries and break-ins around here," Travis McMichael added. "I had a pistol stolen January 1, actually."

It has to be a step up from whoever is shoveling you supposed information.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Starman

LE would be near last on the list if I was seeking
sound legal advice or guidance.

That's a pretty stupid statement.

LOL

If you want to trust cops for legal advice
go ahead.

"Joe" lives: Perter Boyle

This story gets deeper and deeper, no wonder the cops are so revered in this area.

https://investigations.ajc.com/caroline-small-shooting/

“This is the worst one I’ve ever investigated,” said Mike McDaniel, a retired GBI agent who supervised the 2010 criminal investigation into the officers’ actions. “I don’t think it’s a good shoot. I don’t think it’s justified.”

Only Leo gets to decide who is dangerous and needs shooting. Getting charged and having someone fighting over your gun is no excuse to shoot someone - if the person attacking is black, unless you are a Leo. No way would they take your gun and shoot you with it.

Those cops in Georgia are not raciest, they shoot white people too, even white women ! Of course she was driving a Buick,, that in itself, is grounds for at least a good ole fashioned azzwhoopen !

This ones growing by leaps and bounds.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-attorney-ahmaud-arbery-case/3114440001/

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Only Leo gets to decide who is dangerous and needs shooting. Getting charged and having someone fighting over your gun is no excuse to shoot someone - if the person attacking is black, unless you are a Leo. No way would they take your gun and shoot you with it.

Sir: If I am headed down the public street on foot unarmed and you head me off twice with a truck and I have no private or public property close by to take refuge in and you obviously not an officer get out with a gun to attempt a hostile action on me am I doing anything unlawful if I try to take control of your firearm? Remember I tried to avoid you once and I'm at that time legally in a place I can be. That is the issue here. The two white men were in no way threatened by the Jogular until they interrupted his travel and displayed a firearm with the implicit and probably explicit threat to shoot him. If he feared for his life was that a rational fear? If he feared for his life what were his options? I for one would NOT have thought submitting to armed men on the street to be an option. My first thought would be take cover and get out of there, absent that option my next move would have been to fight my way out best I could.

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Only Leo gets to decide who is dangerous and needs shooting. Getting charged and having someone fighting over your gun is no excuse to shoot someone - if the person attacking is black, unless you are a Leo. No way would they take your gun and shoot you with it.

Sir: If I am headed down the public street on foot unarmed and you head me off twice with a truck and I have no private or public property close by to take refuge in and you obviously not an officer get out with a gun to attempt a hostile action on me am I doing anything unlawful if I try to take control of your firearm? Remember I tried to avoid you once and I'm at that time legally in a place I can be. That is the issue here. The two white men were in no way threatened by the Jogular until they interrupted his travel and displayed a firearm with the implicit and probably explicit threat to shoot him. If he feared for his life was that a rational fear? If he feared for his life what were his options? I for one would NOT have thought submitting to armed men on the street to be an option. My first thought would be take cover and get out of there, absent that option my next move would have been to fight my way out best I could.

Jaguar doesn't actually ready any rebuttals.

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Only Leo gets to decide who is dangerous and needs shooting. Getting charged and having someone fighting over your gun is no excuse to shoot someone - if the person attacking is black, unless you are a Leo. No way would they take your gun and shoot you with it.

Sir: If I am headed down the public street on foot unarmed and you head me off twice with a truck and I have no private or public property close by to take refuge in and you obviously not an officer get out with a gun to attempt a hostile action on me am I doing anything unlawful if I try to take control of your firearm?

But if we followed your reasoning to its inevitable and logical conclusion, it would negate the entire concept of citizens' arrest.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Only Leo gets to decide who is dangerous and needs shooting. Getting charged and having someone fighting over your gun is no excuse to shoot someone - if the person attacking is black, unless you are a Leo. No way would they take your gun and shoot you with it.

Sir: If I am headed down the public street on foot unarmed and you head me off twice with a truck and I have no private or public property close by to take refuge in and you obviously not an officer get out with a gun to attempt a hostile action on me am I doing anything unlawful if I try to take control of your firearm? Remember I tried to avoid you once and I'm at that time legally in a place I can be. That is the issue here. The two white men were in no way threatened by the Jogular until they interrupted his travel and displayed a firearm with the implicit and probably explicit threat to shoot him. If he feared for his life was that a rational fear? If he feared for his life what were his options? I for one would NOT have thought submitting to armed men on the street to be an option. My first thought would be take cover and get out of there, absent that option my next move would have been to fight my way out best I could.

Jaguar doesn't actually ready any rebuttals.

Yours arent worth reading.

Calling names isnt regarded as a rebuttal in some circles.

Any time you want to answer the question about why the majority of a certain constituency lives their life pissing and moaning about how miserable America is and cant live within the parameters of civilized society, study in school, have families with two parents, hold down jobs and pay taxes rather than live off taxes crackers pay let me know.

I'm not interested in hearing from you, as I once did, that the problem is they arent treated well like they are in Mt which is why they are just great there, as you said a few years ago I'm ready to hear.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Any time you want to answer the question about why the majority of a certain constituency lives their life pissing and moaning about how miserable America is and cant live within the parameters of civilized society, study in school, have families with two parents, hold down jobs and pay taxes rather than live off taxes crackers pay let me know.

I'm not interested in hearing from you, as I once did, that the problem is they arent treated well like they are in Mt which is why they are just great there, as you said a few years ago I'm ready to hear.

Are you ever going to explain why you keep mentioning Montana?

Or are you too stupid to do that as well?

Originally Posted by jimy

Those cops in Georgia are not raciest, they shoot white people too, even white women ! Of course she was driving a Buick,, that in itself, is grounds for at least a good ole fashioned azzwhoopen !

Well, they were in danger.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Any time you want to answer the question about why the majority of a certain constituency lives their life pissing and moaning about how miserable America is and cant live within the parameters of civilized society, study in school, have families with two parents, hold down jobs and pay taxes rather than live off taxes crackers pay let me know.

I'm not interested in hearing from you, as I once did, that the problem is they arent treated well like they are in Mt which is why they are just great there, as you said a few years ago I'm ready to hear.

Are you ever going to explain why you keep mentioning Montana?

Or are you too stupid to do that as well?

You evidently are too stupid to provide a logical reply. What's wrong, are you too stupid to remember the stupid crap you posted about that before.

Only two topics that'll reach a 100 pages quick is jiggers and cops, this one may make 200 soon.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

You evidently are too stupid to provide a logical reply. What's wrong, are you too stupid to remember the stupid crap you posted about that before.

Sooo, you don't know why you keep mentioning Montana?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Only Leo gets to decide who is dangerous and needs shooting. Getting charged and having someone fighting over your gun is no excuse to shoot someone - if the person attacking is black, unless you are a Leo. No way would they take your gun and shoot you with it.

Sir: If I am headed down the public street on foot unarmed and you head me off twice with a truck and I have no private or public property close by to take refuge in and you obviously not an officer get out with a gun to attempt a hostile action on me am I doing anything unlawful if I try to take control of your firearm?

But if we followed your reasoning to its inevitable and logical conclusion, it would negate the entire concept of citizens' arrest.

Or cause those that choose to confront strangers while armed to actually understand the potential consequences of their action. Smart people act in a thoughtful manner.

mike r

Originally Posted by jimy

This ones growing by leaps and bounds.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-attorney-ahmaud-arbery-case/3114440001/

Bet there weren't any demonstrations over that one in some other state nor for this one either - https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na...deputy-field-gathering-article-1.1771525

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Only Leo gets to decide who is dangerous and needs shooting. Getting charged and having someone fighting over your gun is no excuse to shoot someone - if the person attacking is black, unless you are a Leo. No way would they take your gun and shoot you with it.

Sir: If I am headed down the public street on foot unarmed and you head me off twice with a truck and I have no private or public property close by to take refuge in and you obviously not an officer get out with a gun to attempt a hostile action on me am I doing anything unlawful if I try to take control of your firearm?

But if we followed your reasoning to its inevitable and logical conclusion, it would negate the entire concept of citizens' arrest.

A lot of you guys have a lot to learn about arrest/use of force and how it applies to the 4th Amendment.

And if you don't start learning about it, there's a good possibly you're going to get jammed up at some point. Badly.

I can agree with the wisdom in that.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

I can agree with the wisdom in that.

Why do you keep mentioning Montana?

How is it that cops can shoot first, but the military has to be shot at first? Maybe I’m wrong....

Then again, what do you expect for $32k/year....

Originally Posted by 16bore

How is it that cops can shoot first, but the military has to be shot at first? Maybe I’m wrong....

Then again, what do you expect for $32k/year....

I don't understand your question or comment.

Perhaps he just wants to know who got the VCR and Realtree Monsterbull tapes in the breakup......you or Shrapnel.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by jaguartx

I can agree with the wisdom in that.

Why do you keep mentioning Montana?

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Perhaps he just wants to know who got the VCR and Realtree Monsterbull tapes in the breakup......you or Shrapnel.

Shrap, of course.

He's so shrewd.

Do you think that could possibly be to prevent all the ‘independent’ thinkers from lashing out?

Did you see the old hillbilly handcuffed in his driveway, on video? Did that seem contrived/scripted to you at all?

Do you think he would have turned himself in, if the call was made?

Were we just appeasing?

Was the video-maker arrest in the Benghazi fiasco a legitimate arrest? Or was it to blame conservatives for an Obama failure....on video?

There is more ‘directing’ in media video footage than in your favorite movie.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Riddle me this.... if what you say is factual, then why are the father and son locked up without bail currently? Both the GBI and the Judge seem to disagree with you?

Makes sense, elk tapes and Montana.

Best to just block that part of your life out, anyway.

Hope you left the 22-250 ammo.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Perhaps he just wants to know who got the VCR and Realtree Monsterbull tapes in the breakup......you or Shrapnel.

Shrap, of course.

He's so shrewd.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Makes sense, elk tapes and Montana.

Best to just block that part of your life out, anyway.

Hope you left the 22-250 ammo.

Beat holy hell out of Iowa.

LOL

#Exponential
#Italy
#DuckTwerksOnBeav

Great, now it’s you, GRIZZ, and fester.

How long does it take to fill out a hurt-feelings-report?

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Makes sense, elk tapes and Montana.

Best to just block that part of your life out, anyway.

Hope you left the 22-250 ammo.

Beat holy hell out of Iowa.

LOL

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Great, now it’s you, GRIZZ, and fester.

How long does it take to fill out a hurt-feelings-report?

I don't understand your comment.

I don’t understand your lack of understanding.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Great, now it’s you, GRIZZ, and fester.

How long does it take to fill out a hurt-feelings-report?

I don't understand your comment.

Fair enough.

Enjoy Iowa.

LOL

If there are several investigations and witnesses tied to this..... likely not good for the jogger.

Originally Posted by Snyper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjCzJyFKoqo&feature=youtu.be

You enjoy Fla. We were just down there. Things are different now, not for the better.

Originally Posted by deflave

Fair enough.

Enjoy Iowa.

LOL

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

If there are several investigations and witnesses tied to this..... likely not good for the jogger.

Originally Posted by Snyper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjCzJyFKoqo&feature=youtu.be

He's dead, so I don't know that it can get much worse for him.

His poor, innocent jogging legacy is at stake......as well as a civil suit.

And what about all those “I jog with ‘maud” T-shirt sales.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

If there are several investigations and witnesses tied to this..... likely not good for the jogger.

Originally Posted by Snyper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjCzJyFKoqo&feature=youtu.be

He's dead, so I don't know that it can get much worse for him.

Yeah there a couple of guys here that don’t seem to get that the jogger is not the one on trial here, besides that, he’s already dead.

A question for Tarquin.

If said jogger lived with parents and stolen goods are located, would the McMichaels be eligible to file a civil lawsuit against the parents?

Wouldn’t they have standing?

If the Arbery’s are profiting from all this, could the McMichaels file suit for that?

Cause and effect damages?

A good offense being better than a good defense?

Bottom line, if Arbery’s parents were complicit (proven).....are they legally susceptible in a civil suit.

Criminally, another story.

Events leading up to the encounter.........

Originally Posted by 270jrk

Yeah there a couple of guys here that don’t seem to get that the jogger is not the one on trial here, besides that, he’s already dead.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

would the McMichaels be eligible to file a civil lawsuit against the parents?

What would you expect they could win from a family of joggers?

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Do you think that could possibly be to prevent all the ‘independent’ thinkers from lashing out?

Did you see the old hillbilly handcuffed in his driveway, on video? Did that seem contrived/scripted to you at all?

Do you think he would have turned himself in, if the call was made?

Were we just appeasing?

Was the video-maker arrest in the Benghazi fiasco a legitimate arrest? Or was it to blame conservatives for an Obama failure....on video?

There is more ‘directing’ in media video footage than in your favorite movie.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Riddle me this.... if what you say is factual, then why are the father and son locked up without bail currently? Both the GBI and the Judge seem to disagree with you?

You need to stop hanging with Jag... thats a freaking conspiracy theory if Ive ever seen one.

Are you suggesting they have jailed a father and son, charged them with some of the harshest offenses possible, and denied them bail.... to keep civil peace?

Hahahahahahaha....

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

A question for Tarquin.

If said jogger lived with parents and stolen goods are located, would the McMichaels be eligible to file a civil lawsuit against the parents?

Wouldn’t they have standing?

If the Arbery’s are profiting from all this, could the McMichaels file suit for that?

Cause and effect damages?

A good offense being better than a good defense?

Bottom line, if Arbery’s parents were complicit (proven).....are they legally susceptible in a civil suit.

Criminally, another story.

You can file a lawsuit against anyone at anytime...

What stolen goods? The pistol? What grounds does anyone have to go searching for it? Lots of assumptions.....

Preponderance VS reasonable doubt.

Assuming acquittals of the criminal stuff.

The Arbery’s will be very rich after this.

Again.......they will be very rich after this.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

would the McMichaels be eligible to file a civil lawsuit against the parents?

What would you expect they could win from a family of joggers?

This investigation is currently bigger than you know.

Both the President and GBI saw the video as very troubling. Big deal, everyone did.

If that is any indication of anything....please fill me in.

No bond.......video of arrests. It’s almost as though those will be fall backs to maintain the calm.

The feds won’t be in on this......they don’t want the blame.

The poor female ‘new’ prosecutor.....

Many folks saw the first video and decided.......didn’t matter if the jogger cut off 3 baby’s heads, 30 seconds before.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

A question for Tarquin.

If said jogger lived with parents and stolen goods are located, would the McMichaels be eligible to file a civil lawsuit against the parents?

Wouldn’t they have standing?

If the Arbery’s are profiting from all this, could the McMichaels file suit for that?

Cause and effect damages?

A good offense being better than a good defense?

Bottom line, if Arbery’s parents were complicit (proven).....are they legally susceptible in a civil suit.

Criminally, another story.

You can file a lawsuit against anyone at anytime...

What stolen goods? The pistol? What grounds does anyone have to go searching for it? Lots of assumptions.....

No, no, no.......they never arrest anyone under political pressure.

That has never happened, never will.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Are you suggesting they have jailed a father and son, charged them with some of the harshest offenses possible, and denied them bail.... to keep civil peace?

Hahahahahahaha....

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

No, no, no.......they never arrest anyone under political pressure.

That has never happened, never will.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Are you suggesting they have jailed a father and son, charged them with some of the harshest offenses possible, and denied them bail.... to keep civil peace?

Hahahahahahaha....

Could it not have been the overwhelming evidence... you know, the videos we all watched, where you can actually view the victim collapse? The phone calls to 911 where they couldnt identify what he was doing wrong but decided to chase after him anyways???

Could it just be that?

Hahahahaha

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Preponderance VS reasonable doubt.

Assuming acquittals of the criminal stuff.

The Arbery’s will be very rich after this.

Again.......they will be very rich after this.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

would the McMichaels be eligible to file a civil lawsuit against the parents?

What would you expect they could win from a family of joggers?

Very rich from? The McMichaels?? You cant win what someone doesnt have.

Or do you somehow see them winning litigation from the state? That I do not see.

Perhaps you should read my post again.

Did you know Michael Browns & Trayvon Martins families are very well off now?

“You’re” not tracking very well.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Preponderance VS reasonable doubt.

Assuming acquittals of the criminal stuff.

The Arbery’s will be very rich after this.

Again.......they will be very rich after this.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

would the McMichaels be eligible to file a civil lawsuit against the parents?

What would you expect they could win from a family of joggers?

Very rich from? The McMichaels?? You cant win what someone doesnt have.

Or do you somehow see them winning litigation from the state? That I do not see.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Perhaps you should read my post again.

Did you know Michael Browns & Trayvon Martins families are very well off now?

“You’re” not tracking very well.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Preponderance VS reasonable doubt.

Assuming acquittals of the criminal stuff.

The Arbery’s will be very rich after this.

Again.......they will be very rich after this.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

would the McMichaels be eligible to file a civil lawsuit against the parents?

What would you expect they could win from a family of joggers?

Very rich from? The McMichaels?? You cant win what someone doesnt have.

Or do you somehow see them winning litigation from the state? That I do not see.

Mental agility is not a typical characteristic of his group.

Why do you think they vote dimocrap?

Oh yeah, muny.

86 pages and no boobs?! You guys are slipping

Originally Posted by longarm

86 pages and no boobs?! You guys are slipping

So, you havent been reading the Ejp posts?

HA! Yessir

It would seem that some folks are anticipating a potential for new contenders for KOTY. The reigning titleholders need to up their game.

mike r

Didn’t you mention there were several other trespassers caught on the building site video? Possibly under-age kids?

What if they are ‘associates’ of Ahmaud? Think they will talk, if they find them?

What about Mom? The interview right after, where she meekly said Ahmaud was just out jogging? Is that a normal reaction of someone who just had her son gunned down in cold blood?

Or, someone that knows some of the truth?

Had police contacted Ahmaud before the shooting took place? Did Mom know?

Almost appeared Ahmaud stayed in a neighborhood that was on to him.....a little too long.

During the confrontation at the front of the truck, McMichaels was moving back, Ahmaud forward......from what could be seen.

So much information, we haven’t even flattened the curve.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

No, no, no.......they never arrest anyone under political pressure.

That has never happened, never will.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Are you suggesting they have jailed a father and son, charged them with some of the harshest offenses possible, and denied them bail.... to keep civil peace?

Hahahahahahaha....

Could it not have been the overwhelming evidence... you know, the videos we all watched, where you can actually view the victim collapse? The phone calls to 911 where they couldnt identify what he was doing wrong but decided to chase after him anyways???

Could it just be that?

Hahahahaha

Mike....

Arbery isnt on trial dude... arbery didnt kill someone, Travis did.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by longarm

86 pages and no boobs?! You guys are slipping

So, you havent been reading the Ejp posts?

Hey look its the old guy the whines all the time, then posts about why he hates blacks, because they whine all the time.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Mike....

Arbery isnt on trial dude... arbery didnt kill someone, Travis did.

just maybe he committed suicide by ex cop ????

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Mike....Arbery isnt on trial dude... arbery didnt kill someone, Travis did.

If this goes to trial Arbery's actions will be on trial. Remember George Zimmerman's trial? Trayvon was on trial in absentia.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Perhaps you should read my post again.

Did you know Michael Browns & Trayvon Martins families are very well off now?

“You’re” not tracking very well.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Preponderance VS reasonable doubt.

Assuming acquittals of the criminal stuff.

The Arbery’s will be very rich after this.

Again.......they will be very rich after this.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

would the McMichaels be eligible to file a civil lawsuit against the parents?

What would you expect they could win from a family of joggers?

Very rich from? The McMichaels?? You cant win what someone doesnt have.

Or do you somehow see them winning litigation from the state? That I do not see.

Mental agility is not a typical characteristic of his group.

Why do you think they vote dimocrap?

Oh yeah, muny.

Alright then mr brainiac, why dont you elaborate then how they will get rich off of this?

Acquittals of what criminal stuff? Was he saying, if we assume the McMichaels are acquitted, the Arbery’s get paid? Or is he saying if they dont get acquitted they will get paid... paid from whom? Are the McMichaels loaded or something?

Come on Jag? Express your mental agility here and explain these complexities.. or continue to be a snide jackass that offers nothing constructive what so ever, except only insults a senior citizen could find humorous, which dont relate to any of the topics at hand.

PS - a person who believes in the constitution, believes in the legal justice system, and doesnt openly fault someone instantly because of their race isnt instantly a democrat.... they’re just an american.

Originally Posted by jimy

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Mike....

Arbery isnt on trial dude... arbery didnt kill someone, Travis did.

just maybe he committed suicide by ex cop ????

Lol... but the ex cop didnt kill him... the son did.

Buncha jack fugs on this thread that cant even follow the simple stuff.

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Mike....Arbery isnt on trial dude... arbery didnt kill someone, Travis did.

If this goes to trial Arbery's actions will be on trial. Remember George Zimmerman's trial? Trayvon was on trial in absentia.

Some extreme differences with these two cases.

Accusations against Arbery, i.e. breaking into Travis truck wont be admissible. The very context to which Mike is hinting will not be heard.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by jimy

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Mike....

Arbery isnt on trial dude... arbery didnt kill someone, Travis did.

just maybe he committed suicide by ex cop ????

Lol... but the ex cop didnt kill him... the son did.

Buncha jack fugs on this thread that cant even follow the simple stuff.

Quote

Alright then mr brainiac, why dont you elaborate then how they will get rich off of this?

Acquittals of what criminal stuff? Was he saying, if we assume the McMichaels are acquitted, the Arbery’s get paid? Or is he saying if they dont get acquitted they will get paid... paid from whom? Are the McMichaels loaded or something?

Come on Jag? Express your mental agility here and explain these complexities.. or continue to be a snide jackass that offers nothing constructive what so ever, except only insults a senior citizen could find humorous, which dont relate to any of the topics at hand.

PS - a person who believes in the constitution, believes in the legal justice system, and doesnt openly fault someone instantly because of their race isnt instantly a democrat.... they’re just an american.

I can follow the the simple stuff just fine, its just that you write, like some one that America is their second country, or they simply don't know any better, capital letters and punctuation is common in our language. A hint, "America" is always capitalized, and those little hooky things are called coma's and apostrophes !

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Mike....Arbery isnt on trial dude... arbery didnt kill someone, Travis did.

If this goes to trial Arbery's actions will be on trial. Remember George Zimmerman's trial? Trayvon was on trial in absentia.

Some extreme differences with these two cases.Accusations against Arbery, i.e. breaking into Travis truck wont be admissible. The very context to which Mike is hinting will not be heard.

Right , there are extreme differences in the two cases. George rightfully killed Trayvon, who initiated the attack. George irritated Trayvon by obviously keeping him under surveillance. But a defense attorney is usually given way more leeway than a prosecutor in presenting evidence.

I'm wondering why there hasn't been some serious effort to get these boys out on bail. It's not as if they have a criminal history and they aren't a flight risk. No reason to expect they would kill anyone else. Would a writ of habeas corpus be in order?

Originally Posted by Hastings

I'm wondering why there hasn't been some serious effort to get these boys out on bail. It's not as if they have a criminal history and they aren't a flight risk. No reason to expect they would kill anyone else. Would a writ of habeas corpus be in order?

I'm guessing they are still looking for a defence team, made up of as many of the alphabet people they can find, on their budget !

They'll be out before long, I told that ejp1234 idiot that a while back, evidently he thinks I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by Hastings

I'm wondering why there hasn't been some serious effort to get these boys out on bail. It's not as if they have a criminal history and they aren't a flight risk. No reason to expect they would kill anyone else. Would a writ of habeas corpus be in order?

Likely stalling to let the news cycle die down a bit so nobody out there tries something stupid.

Ahmaud was busted taking a gun to a high school sporting event.

Ahmaud threatened to pull a real or fake gun on Travis around 2 weeks before the encounter. Witnessed by Perez.

Travis McMichaels had a handgun stolen from his truck during the multiple burglaries.

Ahmaud attacked Travis while he was holding a legally possessed shotgun. Travis was retreating, Ahmaud was pushing him and swinging, also grabbing at shotgun.

Original report mentions Ahmaud’s mental records. Mentioned as an explanation why Ahmaud would attack an armed man.

Best of luck with normal folks on the jury.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by Hastings

I'm wondering why there hasn't been some serious effort to get these boys out on bail. It's not as if they have a criminal history and they aren't a flight risk. No reason to expect they would kill anyone else. Would a writ of habeas corpus be in order?

Likely stalling to let the news cycle die down a bit so nobody out there tries something stupid.

"Tries" , I think we leapt over "tries something stupid" a long time ago, this sh~tshow exemplifies something stupid ! With a world class cast of idiots !

Yes, this. More of a protective custody.

Protection from the herd of independent thinkers.

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Originally Posted by Hastings

I'm wondering why there hasn't been some serious effort to get these boys out on bail. It's not as if they have a criminal history and they aren't a flight risk. No reason to expect they would kill anyone else. Would a writ of habeas corpus be in order?

Likely stalling to let the news cycle die down a bit so nobody out there tries something stupid.

They have a defense team.

Quote

McMichael's defense team says they have witnesses, documents and additional video that tells a different story of the Ahmaud Arbery case

Link

Originally Posted by jimy

I'm guessing they are still looking for a defence team, made up of as many of the alphabet people they can find, on their budget !

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Ahmaud was busted taking a gun to a high school sporting event.

Ahmaud threatened to pull a real or fake gun on Travis around 2 weeks before the encounter. Witnessed by Perez.

Travis McMichaels had a handgun stolen from his truck during the multiple burglaries.

Ahmaud attacked Travis while he was holding a legally possessed shotgun. Travis was retreating, Ahmaud was pushing him and swinging, also grabbing at shotgun.

Original report mentions Ahmaud’s mental records. Mentioned as an explanation why Ahmaud would attack an armed man.

Best of luck with normal folks on the jury.

All of which leaves only two questions.

1. Will Bubba Senior get convicted ofanything?

2. Will Bubba Junior get convicted of mansalaughter or murder?

Quote

“This case, at first, appears to contain some of the same elements that feed into the despicable and violent history of racism in our country just based upon what little the public knows about this case up until now, but this case is not that story," said his defense attorney, Franklin Hogue.

He also said the defense team has amassed additional witnesses, documents, and video footage.

“That tells a very different story, both about Greg, about his son, Travis, and about Ahmaud Arbery,” he said.

“And as we get near to court, to work on communicating to a jury, the reasons why those facts explain the truth of what happened on Feb. 23,” Laura Hogue said.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Ahmaud was busted taking a gun to a high school sporting event.

Ahmaud threatened to pull a real or fake gun on Travis around 2 weeks before the encounter. Witnessed by Perez.

Travis McMichaels had a handgun stolen from his truck during the multiple burglaries.

Ahmaud attacked Travis while he was holding a legally possessed shotgun. Travis was retreating, Ahmaud was pushing him and swinging, also grabbing at shotgun.

Original report mentions Ahmaud’s mental records. Mentioned as an explanation why Ahmaud would attack an armed man.

Best of luck with normal folks on the jury.

But, but, but Achmed wuz bleck.

Still not enough evidence to make an informed decision.

Maybe later on.

Fixed it for ya:

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

All of which leaves only two THREE questions.

1. Will Bubba Senior get convicted ofanything?

2. Will Bubba Junior get convicted of mansalaughter or murder?

3. Will there be enough name calling and high school behavior in this thread for it to reach 100 pages?

My vote is.... easily.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

They have a defense team.

Quote

McMichael's defense team says they have witnesses, documents and additional video that tells a different story of the Ahmaud Arbery case

Link

Originally Posted by jimy

I'm guessing they are still looking for a defence team, made up of as many of the alphabet people they can find, on their budget !

If that's his defence team, he is sooooo hosed !

Quote

"We know some critically important facts. Those facts point to a very different narrative than the one that brings you all here today,” Laura Hogue said. “Those facts will be revealed where all facts that matter will be revealed – in a courtroom.”

Check out the new prosecutor. Here in the lower 48, it’s ‘defense’.

Originally Posted by jimy

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

They have a defense team.

Quote

McMichael's defense team says they have witnesses, documents and additional video that tells a different story of the Ahmaud Arbery case

Link

Originally Posted by jimy

I'm guessing they are still looking for a defence team, made up of as many of the alphabet people they can find, on their budget !

If that's his defence team, he is sooooo hosed !

So many of you need to go look in the mirror for the egg dropping off your face.

You were all happily propagandized.

You again fell for your beloved media hogwash. How close is the truth to the originally reported story?

And, we’re not even close to flattening the information curve yet.

Originally Posted by mrfudd

Bad comparison. By all accounts the jogger had done nothing wrong and frequently ran in the neighborhood. Even pro-2A conservative talk show hosts in my area are calling for an investigation.

I would expect for the bubbas' to be asking for the warner/jag defense consultants soon. Ayoob is currently tied up w/ his wigmaker so they will have to serve in his absence. KOTY will be a tight race this year.

This entire clusterphuque should serve as a learning opportunity for any that actually care about these things.

STFU and have a vetted attorney's card in your wallet, and mind your own business gomer.

mike r

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Only Leo gets to decide who is dangerous and needs shooting. Getting charged and having someone fighting over your gun is no excuse to shoot someone - if the person attacking is black, unless you are a Leo. No way would they take your gun and shoot you with it.

Sir: If I am headed down the public street on foot unarmed and you head me off twice with a truck and I have no private or public property close by to take refuge in and you obviously not an officer get out with a gun to attempt a hostile action on me am I doing anything unlawful if I try to take control of your firearm? Remember I tried to avoid you once and I'm at that time legally in a place I can be. That is the issue here. The two white men were in no way threatened by the Jogular until they interrupted his travel and displayed a firearm with the implicit and probably explicit threat to shoot him. If he feared for his life was that a rational fear? If he feared for his life what were his options? I for one would NOT have thought submitting to armed men on the street to be an option. My first thought would be take cover and get out of there, absent that option my next move would have been to fight my way out best I could.

Jaguar doesn't actually ready any rebuttals.

Yours arent worth reading.

Calling names isnt regarded as a rebuttal in some circles.

Any time you want to answer the question about why the majority of a certain constituency lives their life pissing and moaning about how miserable America is and cant live within the parameters of civilized society, study in school, have families with two parents, hold down jobs and pay taxes rather than live off taxes crackers pay let me know.

I'm not interested in hearing from you, as I once did, that the problem is they arent treated well like they are in Mt which is why they are just great there, as you said a few years ago I'm ready to hear.

It really does not matter one flying fug what the majority of colored people in the USA think or do on a daily basis.
That McBubbas were white and Arbery black is totally irrelevant. The legal matters would be identical if the races were reversed.The ONLY things that matters in this case are:
1 "Did McBubba Sr and McBubba Jr have any right to forcibly detain Arbery on a public street."

and 2 "Did Arbery have any right to resist said detention?"

Personally, from what has been posted right here in this thread, Georgia law requires a person to WITNESS a commission of a felony, before he can attempt to detain a party in a "Citizens Arrest". As the McBubbas did not witness anything but a simple trespass, which they actually had no way to determine if it was an actual trespass, because they had no contact with property owner. They, in no way witnessed any felony.

As that negates any rights of the McBubbas to detain Arbery. Then he absolutely had a complete right to resist such detainment.

McBubbas did murder Arbery. Considering the extent of going back to the house and retrieving guns and then chasing him through the city streets. If I were Judge or Jury member and knew the facts as they have been presented in this thread. I would convict both of murder in the 1'st and recommend the death penalty.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Ahmaud was busted taking a gun to a high school sporting event.

Ahmaud threatened to pull a real or fake gun on Travis around 2 weeks before the encounter. Witnessed by Perez.

Travis McMichaels had a handgun stolen from his truck during the multiple burglaries.

Ahmaud attacked Travis while he was holding a legally possessed shotgun. Travis was retreating, Ahmaud was pushing him and swinging, also grabbing at shotgun.

Original report mentions Ahmaud’s mental records. Mentioned as an explanation why Ahmaud would attack an armed man.

Best of luck with normal folks on the jury.

Lol... none of this took place the day travis and his father willingly pursued him while brandishing weapons down a public street...

I cant understand, how you dont understand. Nothing you listed will be allowed to be used in this case, literally 0...

Again... arbery is dead, he was killed... he isnt on trial, the two dummies are.

Can I count on your support? I would appreciate some of that poly-gender vote from Vegas.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

KOTY will be a tight race this year.

mike r

There are more than two dummies involved here.

Did anyone actually detain or even touch Arbery......or did Arbery initiate an attack against Travis McMichaels?

What does the video show, without filling in the blanks?

Quit filling in the blanks.

Did anyone declare a citizens arrest........or did they ask to talk?

What does the video show?

Do you think the McMichaels saw Arbery had nothing stolen on him?

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Only Leo gets to decide who is dangerous and needs shooting. Getting charged and having someone fighting over your gun is no excuse to shoot someone - if the person attacking is black, unless you are a Leo. No way would they take your gun and shoot you with it.

Sir: If I am headed down the public street on foot unarmed and you head me off twice with a truck and I have no private or public property close by to take refuge in and you obviously not an officer get out with a gun to attempt a hostile action on me am I doing anything unlawful if I try to take control of your firearm? Remember I tried to avoid you once and I'm at that time legally in a place I can be. That is the issue here. The two white men were in no way threatened by the Jogular until they interrupted his travel and displayed a firearm with the implicit and probably explicit threat to shoot him. If he feared for his life was that a rational fear? If he feared for his life what were his options? I for one would NOT have thought submitting to armed men on the street to be an option. My first thought would be take cover and get out of there, absent that option my next move would have been to fight my way out best I could.

Jaguar doesn't actually ready any rebuttals.

Yours arent worth reading.

Calling names isnt regarded as a rebuttal in some circles.

Any time you want to answer the question about why the majority of a certain constituency lives their life pissing and moaning about how miserable America is and cant live within the parameters of civilized society, study in school, have families with two parents, hold down jobs and pay taxes rather than live off taxes crackers pay let me know.

I'm not interested in hearing from you, as I once did, that the problem is they arent treated well like they are in Mt which is why they are just great there, as you said a few years ago I'm ready to hear.

It really does not matter one flying fug what the majority of colored people in the USA think or do on a daily basis.
That McBubbas were white and Arbery black is totally irrelevant. The legal matters would be identical if the races were reversed.The ONLY things that matters in this case are:
1 "Did McBubba Sr and McBubba Jr have any right to forcibly detain Arbery on a public street."

and 2 "Did Arbery have any right to resist said detention?"

Personally, from what has been posted right here in this thread, Georgia law requires a person to WITNESS a commission of a felony, before he can attempt to detain a party in a "Citizens Arrest". As the McBubbas did not witness anything but a simple trespass, which they actually had no way to determine if it was an actual trespass, because they had no contact with property owner. They, in no way witnessed any felony.

As that negates any rights of the McBubbas to detain Arbery. Then he absolutely had a complete right to resist such detainment.

McBubbas did murder Arbery. Considering the extent of going back to the house and retrieving guns and then chasing him through the city streets. If I were Judge or Jury member and knew the facts as they have been presented in this thread. I would convict both of mueder in the 1'st and recommend the death penalty.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

It really does not matter one flying fug what the majority of colored people in the USA think or do on a daily basis. That McBubbas were white and Arbery black is totally irrelevant. The legal matters would be identical if the races were reversed.The ONLY things that matters in this case are:1 "Did McBubba Sr and McBubba Jr have any right to forcibly detain Arbery on a public street." and 2 "Did Arbery have any right to resist said detention?"Personally, from what has been posted right here in this thread, Georgia law requires a person to WITNESS a commission of a felony, before he can attempt to detain a party in a "Citizens Arrest". As the McBubbas did not witness anything but a simple trespass, which they actually had no way to determine if it was an actual trespass, because they had no contact with property owner. They, in no way witnessed any felony.As that negates any rights of the McBubbas to detain Arbery. Then he absolutely had a complete right to resist such detainment.McBubbas did murder Arbery. Considering the extent of going back to the house and retrieving guns and then chasing him through the city streets. If I were Judge or Jury member and knew the facts as they have been presented in this thread. I would convict both of murder in the 1'st and recommend the death penalty.

Now this is a bet I'll be glad to make whatever the amount. Nobody will be convicted of first degree murder and there sure won't be a death penalty. Dad may even go free in criminal court. Wrongful homicide,yes, First degree murder, no way.

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

It really does not matter one flying fug what the majority of colored people in the USA think or do on a daily basis. That McBubbas were white and Arbery black is totally irrelevant. The legal matters would be identical if the races were reversed.The ONLY things that matters in this case are:1 "Did McBubba Sr and McBubba Jr have any right to forcibly detain Arbery on a public street." and 2 "Did Arbery have any right to resist said detention?"Personally, from what has been posted right here in this thread, Georgia law requires a person to WITNESS a commission of a felony, before he can attempt to detain a party in a "Citizens Arrest". As the McBubbas did not witness anything but a simple trespass, which they actually had no way to determine if it was an actual trespass, because they had no contact with property owner. They, in no way witnessed any felony.As that negates any rights of the McBubbas to detain Arbery. Then he absolutely had a complete right to resist such detainment.McBubbas did murder Arbery. Considering the extent of going back to the house and retrieving guns and then chasing him through the city streets. If I were Judge or Jury member and knew the facts as they have been presented in this thread. I would convict both of murder in the 1'st and recommend the death penalty.

Now this is a bet I'll be glad to make whatever the amount. Nobody will be convicted of first degree murder and there sure won't be a death penalty. Dad may even go free in criminal court. Wrongful homicide,yes, First degree murder, no way.

Hastings, I agree. I don't see any "jury of their peers" in GA convicting them on first-degree murder.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Did anyone actually detain or even touch Arbery......or did Arbery initiate an attack against Travis McMichaels?

What does the video show, without filling in the blanks?

Quit filling in the blanks.

Did anyone declare a citizens arrest........or did they ask to talk?

What does the video show?

Do you think the McMichaels saw Arbery had nothing stolen on him?

The actual relevant question is "Did the McMichaels SEE any stolen property?" Not if they could ascertain there was no stolen property.

No reasonable person just assumes a person has committed a felony and then uses lethal force to detain said person. A reasonable person, especially one trained in Police Procedures, but no longer authorized as a Police Officer, attempts to identify the suspect and allows real Police to make the apprehension.

Nor does a reasonable person believe the McMichaels chased Arbery down several streets, stopped the truck in front of him in a confrontational manner, dismounted the truck with shotgun at ready position, without words being spoken.

Do we have a record of those words? Do we have any witnesses to those words? We do not know. Will any member of the jury believe that such words were not spoken? Even though not testified as such. Will any member of the jury believe that Arbery was not in fear for his life when he crossed the front of that truck?

That is the difference between G Zimmerman, and T McMichaels. Zimmerman did his best to follow discretely while talking to Police dispatch. Martin announced his intention to attack Zimmerman to his G friend via phone, and then he ambushed Zimmerman. Martin initiated a lethal force attack against Zimmerman. Zimmerman drew a weapon and successfully defended himself.

In the present case, it was the McMichaels who did the ambushing. Even in their statement, they say Arbery repeatedly tried to run away and escape from them. But they ambushed him again. Arbery was on foot. The McMichaels were pursuing in a motor vehicle.

A reasonable jurist would have to consider that Arbery was likely exhausted, and decided to hell with it. Might as well take it in the face instead of in the back as he once again attempted to flee.

Sure looks like premeditated to me. Two Bubba's done dispensed them some justice!

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

A reasonable jurist would have to consider that Arbery was likely exhausted, and decided to hell with it.

You reckon he was exhausted from his hours of jogging, or from stealin' sheit? Joggers are usually in good shape and don't tire easily, thievin' ass jiggers usually tire out after a block or two on the show COPS.

911 asked repeatedly: "what did he do wrong?"

Neither the callers or mikewerner have been able
to answer that... LoL.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

They have a defense team.

they?

I only see mention of Mic. Snr. being represented
by HFG... for a tall order attempt at getting him bond,
... Seems like Jnr. the shooter is still out
in the cold.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Did anyone actually detain or even touch Arbery.....

Mic Snr implicated himself and his son when he
gave statement to police that 3rd person Ryan
attempted to cut Arbery off before they did.

Hence why DA Barnhill wrote it up as the McMichaels
killing someone in the course of a citizens arrest.

Originally Posted by Starman

911 asked repeatedly: "what did he do wrong?"

Neither the callers or mikewerner have been able
to answer that... LoL.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

They have a defense team.

they?

I only see mention of Mic. Snr. being represented
by HFG... for a tall order attempt at getting him bond,
... Seems like Jnr. the shooter is still out
in the cold.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Did anyone actually detain or even touch Arbery.....

Mic Snr implicated himself and his son when he
gave statement to police that 3rd person Ryan
attempted to cut Arbery off before they did.

Hence why DA Barnhill wrote it up as the McMichaels
killing someone in the course of a citizens arrest.

Some of you just refuse to get it, you only have select parts of the story, the parts that the press choose to print, what you are doing and promoting is just like reading every fifth page of a mystery novel, and then trying to guess, who did it !

So many will be disappointed with the out come of the trial, because you are so blinded by hate, to see the truth of what really happened.

Originally Posted by jimy

So many will be disappointed with the out come of the trial, because you are so blinded by hate, to see the truth of what really happened.

Over the course of almost 200 pages, here's one statement that will be correct regardless of what the facts show.

Have you learned nothing.....from the way the media covers Donald Trump?

You sheep need to quit believing the wolf would never deceive you.

Little to do with hate, more to do with gullibility.

The media knows....once the initial opinion is formed, most stay stuck.

Originally Posted by plainsman456

Still not enough evidence to make an informed decision.

Maybe later on.

Yeah, but you can recognize patterns, though, right? Tawana Brawley, Trayvon Martin, Jussie Smollett, etc., etc., etc. ad infinitum. In every case like this, there is a mad rush by the MSM to promote the hapless innocent black person victimized by evil, racist, White people fairy tale. It's a constant.

Antelope Sniper has told us all, Felony Murder......both suspects, slam dunk.

We shall see soon enough.

Poor ‘new’ female minority prosecutor. She thinks this is just a rung on the ladder.

Ignorance is truly bliss.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Antelope Sniper has told us all, Felony Murder......slam dunk.

We shall see soon enough.

He also said The Corona farts was gonna get us...

Trump will be half way done with his next term before this goes to trial, and by then the coronavirus will have killed most of the major players anyways !

PaulBarneyFife was even wanting to place some wagers concerning felony murder convictions.

I am scared to death he is going to personally challenge me with a wager.

Very scared.......

Male rectums have been a threat to him in the past.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Antelope Sniper has told us all, Felony Murder......slam dunk.

We shall see soon enough.

He also said The Corona farts was gonna get us...

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Antelope Sniper has told us all, Felony Murder......both suspects, slam dunk.

We shall see soon enough.

Poor ‘new’ female minority prosecutor. She thinks this is just a rung on the ladder.

Ignorance is truly bliss.

AS is very smart, but prejudiced, and that lack of objectivity often results in him being WRONG.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Male rectums have been a threat to him in the past.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Antelope Sniper has told us all, Felony Murder......slam dunk.

We shall see soon enough.

He also said The Corona farts was gonna get us...

Case in point.....

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Can I count on your support? I would appreciate some of that poly-gender vote from Vegas.

Originally Posted by lvmiker

KOTY will be a tight race this year.

mike r

I'm pretty sure your people will be there for you.

mike r

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ahmaud-arbery-video-leaked-suspect

If this in fact true.... this guy gets the fugging idiot of the century award hahahahaha

Well now we all know why he was there, "it was an electricians dream" !

I'm not sure why when money got tight , that none of these intellectuals didn't tell him to get a job, but I digress !

And as a note to self, self don't ever hire Lee Meritt for an attorney !

Shortly before the shooting, a 911 caller reported a black man was on a property under construction in the neighborhood. Attorneys for the Arbery family say the man, believed to be Arbery, was on the property for less than three minutes and did not commit a crime.

Cooper-Jones said Arbery wanted to become an electrician, following the footsteps of three of his uncles.

He attended South Georgia Technical College for about a year and a half but stopped when money got tight for the family, Cooper-Jones said. She said she was also putting her other son and daughter through school at the time.

Before his death, Arbery was planning to go back to school and get his electrician certification, she said.

Lee Merritt, an attorney for the Arbery Family, said an unfinished property is an "electrician's dream" and suspects Arbery was observing the electrical work of the house.

More likely he kept going back to see if it was wired yet so he could get to work on the copper and fixtures.

Originally Posted by jimy

Some of you just refuse to get it, you only have select parts of the story, the parts that the press choose to print,..
.

The press didn't write to Capt. T. Jump In Feb. calling it
a citizens arrest, DA Barnhill did that.
To our knowledge the McMichaels didn't dispute it,
if anything Mic Snr own statement corroborates.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ahmaud-arbery-video-leaked-suspect

If this in fact true.... this guy gets the fugging idiot of the century award hahahahaha

Mic Snr wasnt happy with just implicating himself
his son and Bryan (the filmer) in his statement to
police, he wanted the world to see the actual evidence.

He didn't know any better, despite having worked as an
investigator in the DA office for some decades.

The video clearly shows Arbery attacking Travis McMichael.

McMichael is backing up in retreat, full forward assault by Ahmaud.

Arbery pushing, punching, grabbing shotgun.

More information coming soon.

Arbery had figured out the cure for covid.
Hopefully another boy from the hood discovers the cure and tells somebody before he gets shot

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Antelope Sniper has told us all, Felony Murder......both suspects, slam dunk.

We shall see soon enough.

Poor ‘new’ female minority prosecutor. She thinks this is just a rung on the ladder.

Ignorance is truly bliss.

AS is very smart, but prejudiced, and that lack of objectivity often results in him being WRONG.

Now there's the charred coals of a dead campfire calling the white washed fence black.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ahmaud-arbery-video-leaked-suspect

If this in fact true.... this guy gets the fugging idiot of the century award hahahahaha

JFC! We knew from the get go these boys were a bubble off of plumb. I have seen the attorney's name mentioned before in relation to release of the video. I can see no reason for the attorney to lie about McMichaels directing him to release the video. That sounds like a damned good way for an attorney to get into a world of hurt.

So, either the reporter is lying. Or McMichaels is a hell of a lot stupider than we gave him credit for.

Gregory McMichael has to be guilty of Felony Murder.......he has a $300,000 house.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Antelope Sniper has told us all, Felony Murder......both suspects, slam dunk.

We shall see soon enough.

Poor ‘new’ female minority prosecutor. She thinks this is just a rung on the ladder.

Ignorance is truly bliss.

AS is very smart, but prejudiced, and that lack of objectivity often results in him being WRONG.

Now there's the charred coals of a dead campfire calling the white washed fence black.

The under-construction house was likely a drop off point for a jogger......with items to be picked up under the cover of darkness, possibly by someone else.

A minor even.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

More likely he kept going back to see if it was wired yet so he could get to work on the copper and fixtures.

Does the detaineds' acceptance of their daughter/sister being a miscegenator figure in in any way?

https://archive.fo/1TsZE

[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]

Wait.....are you saying a couple hardworking hillbillies could possibly just have a dislike for thieves and not a particular race?

Looks like NBC should start editing video and 911 calls, ASAP.

The original narrative is in collapse.

Quote

Ahmaud Arbery case: Texts suggest Georgia police enlisted help from suspect months before shooting, report says

Link

Uh oh.......

Quote

Larry English, who owns the construction site, reached out to police in December concerning trespassers on the property. English maintained a motion-activated camera system that sent alerts and a video clip whenever the cameras activated.

Quote

Officer Robert Rash of the Glynn County Police Department responded on December 20 to English’s concern, suggesting in the text exchange that Greg McMichael could help.

“Your neighbor at XX Satilla Drive is Greg McMichael. Greg is retired Law Enforcement and also a Retired Investigator from the DA’s office,” the text from Officer Rash read. “He said please call him day or night when you get action on your camera.”

Pretty hot for a mudshark.

Exceptions for every rule I suppose.

Originally Posted by slumlord

Pretty hot for a mudshark.

Exceptions for every rule I suppose.

Never trust a profile pic...

Took you long enough....

Originally Posted by slumlord

Pretty hot for a mudshark.

Exceptions for every rule I suppose.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Does the detaineds' acceptance of their daughter/sister being a miscegenator figure in in any way?

Depends.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by plainsman456

Still not enough evidence to make an informed decision.

Maybe later on.

Yeah, but you can recognize patterns, though, right? Tawana Brawley, Trayvon Martin, Jussie Smollett, etc., etc., etc. ad infinitum. In every case like this, there is a mad rush by the MSM to promote the hapless innocent black person victimized by evil, racist, White people fairy tale. It's a constant.

What pattern. Me and other PC PC kool-aid drinkers dont see no freaking pattern. Yer just dreaming that crap up.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

The video clearly shows Arbery attacking Travis McMichael.

McMichael is backing up in retreat, full forward assault by Ahmaud.

Arbery pushing, punching, grabbing shotgun.

More information coming soon.

Well, wouldnt you charge and attack anyone holding a gun on you. Are you gonna submit and talk to the popo and live life as a coward, or die like a brave dumbass?

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ahmaud-arbery-video-leaked-suspect

If this in fact true.... this guy gets the fugging idiot of the century award hahahahaha

JFC! We knew from the get go these boys were a bubble off of plumb. I have seen the attorney's name mentioned before in relation to release of the video. I can see no reason for the attorney to lie about McMichaels directing him to release the video. That sounds like a damned good way for an attorney to get into a world of hurt.

So, either the reporter is lying. Or McMichaels is a hell of a lot stupider than we gave him credit for.

I thought you didnt believe in JC?

So, you thinking AS has his prophecy of Guilty, Murder 1 in the bag, huh?

I think you best start listening to anothers prophecy.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Quote

Officer Robert Rash of the Glynn County Police Department responded on December 20 to English’s concern, suggesting in the text exchange that Greg McMichael could help.

“Your neighbor at XX Satilla Drive is Greg McMichael. Greg is retired Law Enforcement and also a Retired Investigator from the DA’s office,” the text from Officer Rash read. “He said please call him day or night when you get action on your camera.”

The “I don’t even know the McMichaels” offensive by English and his attorney last week makes more sense now. They were trying to get out ahead of any future lawsuits. If English had at some point solicited the help of McMichaels and they committed an actionable tort, then he could be liable as well. He would almost certainly be sued. I suspect that McMichaels will/would testify that English did in fact reach out to him at some point.

The fact that English’s assertions from last week are probably false, will throw more doubt on the narrative and hurt the criminal and civil cases in the future.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by callnum

Originally Posted by JoeBob

At one point, before the cameras were installed, $2,500 worth of fishing tackle was stolen, obviously it was probably him.

Best post of the thread, "obviously it was probably him".

LOL--

"obviously--probably"

Especially that part where Mr. English says nothing was ever stolen from that property....so obviously he probably did that thing that never happened....

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ahmaud-arbery-video-leaked-suspect

If this in fact true.... this guy gets the fugging idiot of the century award hahahahaha

JFC! We knew from the get go these boys were a bubble off of plumb. I have seen the attorney's name mentioned before in relation to release of the video. I can see no reason for the attorney to lie about McMichaels directing him to release the video. That sounds like a damned good way for an attorney to get into a world of hurt.

So, either the reporter is lying. Or McMichaels is a hell of a lot stupider than we gave him credit for.

I thought you didnt believe in JC?

So, you thinking AS has his prophecy of Guilty, Murder 1 in the bag, huh?

I think you best start listening to anothers prophecy.

Oh, I most certainly believe a man commonly known as Jesus of Nazerath was taken from his home at an early age, then raised and trained by a splinter group of the Priesthood to effect a transition in the direction of the church. But that is off topic for this thread, further discussion would be appropriate in a new thread.

And I have stated plainly, based on what has been provided in this thread, I would if I were a jurist in this case, convict the younger McMichaels of premeditated murder in the 1'st and recommend the death penalty. And I would convict the elder of the maximum charge available with maximum sentence for being the instigator and equal participant in the crime even though he did not pull the trigger.

Evidence that the police dept sought McMichaels to help in the policing of his neighborhood is damning indeed, to the average citizen on the street. It is further evidence of the "good ole boys mentality" and reinforces the "Corrupt Southern Sheriff" stereotype.

One can almost hear McMichaels on the phone with local police, "Yep, you just leave to me, Boss. I'll get them suns of beeches for yu."

This is one text the local Police Dept wishes had never come to light. It is more than a bit embarrassing for the local citizens to see just how incompetently and corruptly their Police Dept and DA's office has been run.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ahmaud-arbery-video-leaked-suspect

If this in fact true.... this guy gets the fugging idiot of the century award hahahahaha

JFC! We knew from the get go these boys were a bubble off of plumb. I have seen the attorney's name mentioned before in relation to release of the video. I can see no reason for the attorney to lie about McMichaels directing him to release the video. That sounds like a damned good way for an attorney to get into a world of hurt.

So, either the reporter is lying. Or McMichaels is a hell of a lot stupider than we gave him credit for.

I thought you didnt believe in JC?

So, you thinking AS has his prophecy of Guilty, Murder 1 in the bag, huh?

I think you best start listening to anothers prophecy.

Doc,

Either your reading comprehension or honesty, continues to deteriorate.

I've never made a statement regarding "Murder 1".

Felony Murder is not the same thing as Murder 1.

At this point I'm not certain if you are to senile to understand the difference, or to dishonest to care.

If dishonesty is not your intent, I suggest you schedule an appointment with your Geriatrician.

Ok, sorry about that AS. I had thought others had referred to you doing that. My bad.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Evidence that the police dept sought McMichaels to help in the policing of his neighborhood is damning indeed, to the average citizen on the street. It is further evidence of the "good ole boys mentality" and reinforces the "Corrupt Southern Sheriff" stereotype.

One can almost hear McMichaels on the phone with local police, "Yep, you just leave to me, Boss. I'll get them suns of beeches for yu."
.

Conspiracy theorist. Humm. Itsnt that about what Schiefty said?

The AA dimocraps know how to murder better than those to crackers, evidently. I think if they planned to murder him they would have just squeezed one off as they drove by and kept on trucking with some numbers covered on the old KKK drag truck.

I think the original prosecutor had it correct. That’s self defense when Arbery came around the truck and rushed the guy with the shotgun. He could have kept running or stopped and waited for the police but he chose to attack an armed man and he’s thankfully dead and can no longer spread his genetic stupidity. There’s lots of talk about what lead up to this and there may be a crime there but at the point of the shoot it was Arbery attacking and attempting to take the mans weapon.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Ok, sorry about that AS. I had thought others had referred to you doing that. My bad.

Thanks Doc, I'll accept your apology.

To be clear, I do not see sufficient evidence to support a claim of either first, or second degree murder. That would require an intent to kill Arbery which hasn't been demonstrated. As for lessor offenses involving death, I haven't studies Georgia statues on them enough to have an opinion.

I see this whole case henging is around one question. When the McMichale's when and got their guns for the purpose of detaining Arbery, were they acting in a lawful nature, or breaking the law.

If they were acting lawfully, and for the sake of argument we'll say conducting a citizen's arrest, they were justified in self defense.

If not, and their stop was a felony, it's Arbery who under Georgia law had the right to "stand his ground" and defend himself, and as the instigators, regardless of Arbery's actions, the McMichael's would have no claim of self defense. Then it becomes a question of Felony Murder, or, if their actions didn't rise to the level of a felony, some lessor offense such as a Georgia version of manslaughter.

IS, think if the ex Leo had planned on killing the jogger, he would not have had a video made, would have done a drive by and had hulls cleaned of prints and DNA and tried to keep them in the vehicle until properly disposed of.

I'm calling BS on the JFC remark. I agree there are plenty of guys named Jesus, but that term not only refers to Jesus, but also Christ.

For all, it's amazing how often unbelievers refer to God or Christ or even Satan or the devil.

Any belief in Satan or Lucifer or the devil means acceptance of at least part of the Good News Story of God and His creation, and is the only basis for the idea we are created with inalienable rights.

Originally Posted by Daveinjax

I think the original prosecutor had it correct. That’s self defense when Arbery came around the truck and rushed the guy with the shotgun. He could have kept running or stopped and waited for the police but he chose to attack an armed man and he’s thankfully dead and can no longer spread his genetic stupidity. There’s lots of talk about what lead up to this and there may be a crime there but at the point of the shoot it was Arbery attacking and attempting to take the mans weapon.

It's pretty plausible and very possible if a pissed off Aubrey had successfully taken that gun from him, Aubrey would be the one arrested and headed for trial. That concern was also probably on the guys mind as he struggled with Aubrey over the gun. It would have been one of my concerns, proof I'm a little sharper than some on here.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

It really does not matter one flying fug what the majority of colored people in the USA think or do on a daily basis.
That McBubbas were white and Arbery black is totally irrelevant. The legal matters would be identical if the races were reversed.The ONLY things that matters in this case are:
1 "Did McBubba Sr and McBubba Jr have any right to forcibly detain Arbery on a public street."

and 2 "Did Arbery have any right to resist said detention?"

Personally, from what has been posted right here in this thread, Georgia law requires a person to WITNESS a commission of a felony, before he can attempt to detain a party in a "Citizens Arrest". As the McBubbas did not witness anything but a simple trespass, which they actually had no way to determine if it was an actual trespass, because they had no contact with property owner. They, in no way witnessed any felony.

As that negates any rights of the McBubbas to detain Arbery. Then he absolutely had a complete right to resist such detainment.

McBubbas did murder Arbery. Considering the extent of going back to the house and retrieving guns and then chasing him through the city streets. If I were Judge or Jury member and knew the facts as they have been presented in this thread. I would convict both of murder in the 1'st and recommend the death penalty.

Some ones posting drunk or lieing, but this is what you posted ! "murder 1 and a recommended death penalty " your own words !

Do we know he hasn’t spread the genetic stupidity?

We know nothing of the jogger yet. Jobs, residence, criminal records, mental records....

To continue casing(etc) the neighborhood December through late February, when it was obvious to many who he was, just stupid on his part.

Ahmaud’s mother obviously knew more than she let on, when she sheepishly declared he was just jogging.

Defense lawyers indicated all will be very clear in the courtroom.

Wonder how much will come out before.

Originally Posted by Daveinjax

I think the original prosecutor had it correct. That’s self defense when Arbery came around the truck and rushed the guy with the shotgun. He could have kept running or stopped and waited for the police but he chose to attack an armed man and he’s thankfully dead and can no longer spread his genetic stupidity. There’s lots of talk about what lead up to this and there may be a crime there but at the point of the shoot it was Arbery attacking and attempting to take the mans weapon.

There is a reason cops wear a recognizable uniform and it i unlawful for the rest of us to impersonate. The ex cop part muddies it.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ahmaud-arbery-video-leaked-suspect

If this in fact true.... this guy gets the fugging idiot of the century award hahahahaha

JFC! We knew from the get go these boys were a bubble off of plumb. I have seen the attorney's name mentioned before in relation to release of the video. I can see no reason for the attorney to lie about McMichaels directing him to release the video. That sounds like a damned good way for an attorney to get into a world of hurt.

So, either the reporter is lying. Or McMichaels is a hell of a lot stupider than we gave him credit for.

I thought you didnt believe in JC?

So, you thinking AS has his prophecy of Guilty, Murder 1 in the bag, huh?

I think you best start listening to anothers prophecy.

Doc,

Either your reading comprehension or honesty, continues to deteriorate.

I've never made a statement regarding "Murder 1".

Felony Murder is not the same thing as Murder 1.

At this point I'm not certain if you are to senile to understand the difference, or to dishonest to care.

If dishonesty is not your intent, I suggest you schedule an appointment with your Geriatrician.

Doc someone owes you an apology !

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Daveinjax

I think the original prosecutor had it correct. That’s self defense when Arbery came around the truck and rushed the guy with the shotgun. He could have kept running or stopped and waited for the police but he chose to attack an armed man and he’s thankfully dead and can no longer spread his genetic stupidity. There’s lots of talk about what lead up to this and there may be a crime there but at the point of the shoot it was Arbery attacking and attempting to take the mans weapon.

It's pretty plausible and very possible if a pissed off Aubrey had successfully taken that gun from him, Aubrey would be the one arrested and headed for trial. That concern was also probably on the guys mind as he struggled with Aubrey over the gun. It would have been one of my concerns, proof I'm a little sharper than some on here.

Dr. J: Does not even a Negro have the right to use a public street? Does not even a Negro have the right to stand his ground? The only close similarities in this case and the Trayvon/Zimmerman case are that a white man shot a black man.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Do we know he hasn’t spread the genetic stupidity?

We know nothing of the jogger yet. Jobs, residence, criminal records, mental records....

To continue casing(etc) the neighborhood December through late February, when it was obvious to many who he was, just stupid on his part.

Ahmaud’s mother obviously knew more than she let on, when she sheepishly declared he was just jogging.

Fool!

Nothing here has any bearing on the case.

And about a gazillion pages ago it was established that the bubbas were illegally chasing the jogger since they were not in pursuit of a crime they had witnessed. That ain't my opinion. That's the law. Shooting him in the course of an illegal pursuit is manslaughter. Sure, the jogger tried to defend himself. That ain't a crime.

I know you hate Negroes but your posts have helped them, by establishing that some Negroes have higher IQs than some whites.

Wait.......now it’s manslaughter? Your opinion seems to change daily.

You were duped by your beloved media with the original narrative and a video.......now ‘you’re’ just stuck.

More to come, posts are forever. Cry racist all you’d like.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Do we know he hasn’t spread the genetic stupidity?

We know nothing of the jogger yet. Jobs, residence, criminal records, mental records....

To continue casing(etc) the neighborhood December through late February, when it was obvious to many who he was, just stupid on his part.

Ahmaud’s mother obviously knew more than she let on, when she sheepishly declared he was just jogging.

Fool!

Nothing here has any bearing on the case.

And about a gazillion pages ago it was established that the bubbas were illegally chasing the jogger since they were not in pursuit of a crime they had witnessed. That ain't my opinion. That's the law. Shooting him in the course of an illegal pursuit is manslaughter. Sure, the jogger tried to defend himself. That ain't a crime.

I know you hate Negroes but your posts have helped them, by establishing that some Negroes have higher IQs than some whites.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

.. Ahmaud Arbery case: Texts suggest Georgia police enlisted help from suspect months before shooting,

Re: "informally deputized" . LoL

In other words LE recommended to Mr. English
to go see the local militia neighborhood watch
A retired reject mcmichael, cause real LE have
got better things to do with their time.

Nothing shows that English took up the offer.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Do we know he hasn’t spread the genetic stupidity?

We know nothing of the jogger yet. Jobs, residence, criminal records, mental records....

To continue casing(etc) the neighborhood December through late February, when it was obvious to many who he was, just stupid on his part.

Ahmaud’s mother obviously knew more than she let on, when she sheepishly declared he was just jogging.

Fool!

Nothing here has any bearing on the case.

And about a gazillion pages ago it was established that the bubbas were illegally chasing the jogger since they were not in pursuit of a crime they had witnessed. That ain't my opinion. That's the law. Shooting him in the course of an illegal pursuit is manslaughter. Sure, the jogger tried to defend himself. That ain't a crime.

I know you hate Negroes but your posts have helped them, by establishing that some Negroes have higher IQs than some whites.

Indy,

Mike's never left his small Iowa farming community.

He can't imagine not knowing the full life history of everyone he meets on the country road, let alone a real live black person.

Wow, I feel so compelled to tell you about all my domestic and international travel.

So compelled......

That’s funny.

Are you still stuck on Felony Murder for both suspects?

Still a slam dunk? Or, has your story changed too.....where a win will be a parking ticket for the driver of the truck?

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Do we know he hasn’t spread the genetic stupidity?

We know nothing of the jogger yet. Jobs, residence, criminal records, mental records....

To continue casing(etc) the neighborhood December through late February, when it was obvious to many who he was, just stupid on his part.

Ahmaud’s mother obviously knew more than she let on, when she sheepishly declared he was just jogging.

Fool!

Nothing here has any bearing on the case.

And about a gazillion pages ago it was established that the bubbas were illegally chasing the jogger since they were not in pursuit of a crime they had witnessed. That ain't my opinion. That's the law. Shooting him in the course of an illegal pursuit is manslaughter. Sure, the jogger tried to defend himself. That ain't a crime.

I know you hate Negroes but your posts have helped them, by establishing that some Negroes have higher IQs than some whites.

Indy,

Mike's never left his small Iowa farming community.

He can't imagine not knowing the full life history of everyone he meets on the country road, let alone a real live black person.

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Daveinjax

I think the original prosecutor had it correct. That’s self defense when Arbery came around the truck and rushed the guy with the shotgun. He could have kept running or stopped and waited for the police but he chose to attack an armed man and he’s thankfully dead and can no longer spread his genetic stupidity. There’s lots of talk about what lead up to this and there may be a crime there but at the point of the shoot it was Arbery attacking and attempting to take the mans weapon.

It's pretty plausible and very possible if a pissed off Aubrey had successfully taken that gun from him, Aubrey would be the one arrested and headed for trial. That concern was also probably on the guys mind as he struggled with Aubrey over the gun. It would have been one of my concerns, proof I'm a little sharper than some on here.

Dr. J: Does not even a Negro have the right to use a public street? Does not even a Negro have the right to stand his ground? The only close similarities in this case and the Trayvon/Zimmerman case are that a white man shot a black man.

Dont get ridiculous. That stupidity deserves no response.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Do we know he hasn’t spread the genetic stupidity?

We know nothing of the jogger yet. Jobs, residence, criminal records, mental records....

To continue casing(etc) the neighborhood December through late February, when it was obvious to many who he was, just stupid on his part.

Ahmaud’s mother obviously knew more than she let on, when she sheepishly declared he was just jogging.

Fool!

Nothing here has any bearing on the case.

And about a gazillion pages ago it was established that the bubbas were illegally chasing the jogger since they were not in pursuit of a crime they had witnessed. That ain't my opinion. That's the law. Shooting him in the course of an illegal pursuit is manslaughter. Sure, the jogger tried to defend himself. That ain't a crime.

I know you hate Negroes but your posts have helped them, by establishing that some Negroes have higher IQs than some whites.

Indy,

Mike's never left his small Iowa farming community.

He can't imagine not knowing the full life history of everyone he meets on the country road, let alone a real live black person.

Actually after reading many of his post, he is well spoken, educated, and seems to have a lot of common sense. Truly lacking by a lot of posters in this thread.

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Do we know he hasn’t spread the genetic stupidity?

We know nothing of the jogger yet. Jobs, residence, criminal records, mental records....

To continue casing(etc) the neighborhood December through late February, when it was obvious to many who he was, just stupid on his part.

Ahmaud’s mother obviously knew more than she let on, when she sheepishly declared he was just jogging.

Fool!

Nothing here has any bearing on the case.

And about a gazillion pages ago it was established that the bubbas were illegally chasing the jogger since they were not in pursuit of a crime they had witnessed. That ain't my opinion. That's the law. Shooting him in the course of an illegal pursuit is manslaughter. Sure, the jogger tried to defend himself. That ain't a crime.

I know you hate Negroes but your posts have helped them, by establishing that some Negroes have higher IQs than some whites.

Indy,

Mike's never left his small Iowa farming community.

He can't imagine not knowing the full life history of everyone he meets on the country road, let alone a real live black person.

Actually after reading many of his post, he is well spoken, educated, and seems to have a lot of common sense. Truly lacking by a lot of posters in this thread.

This^^^

I figure Aubrey read it right, at first. The shooter wasnt planning on shooting, thinking Aubrey would pull over. The shooter, if so inclined could have shot Aubrey before he got to the gun. That was not his plan.

Things changed when Aubrey grabbed the gun. Then shooter probably wondered WTF to do.

Who of you would have just given the nut your gun, even if you realised you had judged and done wrong when you pulled the gun?

Who would think, boy, I screwed up. I better give this pissed off jogger my gun.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Mike's never left his small Iowa farming community.

He can't imagine not knowing the full life history of everyone he meets on the country road,... .

MW is most certain he knows what Mr. English is thinking.
. that he gave a narrative so he won't be targeted with violence.

English went to lengths to have himself puposely filmed and released
on news channels...
coz thats what those fearful for their life do...

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Do we know he hasn’t spread the genetic stupidity?

We know nothing of the jogger yet. Jobs, residence, criminal records, mental records....

To continue casing(etc) the neighborhood December through late February, when it was obvious to many who he was, just stupid on his part.

Ahmaud’s mother obviously knew more than she let on, when she sheepishly declared he was just jogging.

Fool!

Nothing here has any bearing on the case.

And about a gazillion pages ago it was established that the bubbas were illegally chasing the jogger since they were not in pursuit of a crime they had witnessed. That ain't my opinion. That's the law. Shooting him in the course of an illegal pursuit is manslaughter. Sure, the jogger tried to defend himself. That ain't a crime.

I know you hate Negroes but your posts have helped them, by establishing that some Negroes have higher IQs than some whites.

Indy,

Mike's never left his small Iowa farming community.

He can't imagine not knowing the full life history of everyone he meets on the country road, let alone a real live black person.

Actually after reading many of his post, he is well spoken, educated, and seems to have a lot of common sense. Truly lacking by a lot of posters in this thread.

Hahahaha - are you sure you want to publicly post that? MW keeps thinking the hear say of recent crimes will be used to assist the McMichaels case... he cant get past that fact that Arbery isnt on trial for for stealing Travis’s handgun.... its Travis thats on trial for killing Arbery.

Wait... MW keeps bringing up the last time Travis harassed Arbery, he says Arbery stuck his hands down his pants... case closed... its obvious that boy needed to die...

Ejp, you're one of the dumbasses in this thread. As I've stated before, you will be proven wrong multiple times before this is over.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

IS, think if the ex Leo had planned on killing the jogger, he would not have had a video made, would have done a drive by and had hulls cleaned of prints and DNA and tried to keep them in the vehicle until properly disposed of.

What makes you think McMichaels had any knowledge the video was being made, at the time?

Lots of people use guns in the commission of a felony, and claim they never had any intention to kill. They think the mere presence of the gun will be enough intimidation that they will never have to pull the trigger. Yet when someone fails to be intimidated, and the perp pulls the trigger, it is murder.

That is exactly what happened in Georgia. And just like the idiot knocking over a gas station or a bank, the McMichaels claim it is the other guy's fault. They can not even take responsibility for their actions, let alone feel remorse. It is no wonder the judge has denied bail.

Hang 'em both!

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by jaguartx

It's pretty plausible and very possible if a pissed off Aubrey had successfully taken that gun from him, Aubrey would be the one arrested and headed for trial. That concern was also probably on the guys mind as he struggled with Aubrey over the gun. It would have been one of my concerns, proof I'm a little sharper than some on here.

Dr. J: Does not even a Negro have the right to use a public street? Does not even a Negro have the right to stand his ground? The only close similarities in this case and the Trayvon/Zimmerman case are that a white man shot a black man.

Dont get ridiculous. That stupidity deserves no response.

You have hurt my feelings but I'm sure you don't care. I admit to being not well educated and maybe not very smart. I was asking what you thought. Seems like you could have just said that you didn't care to answer or maybe just ignored my questions instead of bringing attention to my deficiencies. I'm just trying to understand how it could be right to chase a colored man down and threaten him with a gun on a public road.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

I figure Aubrey read it right, at first. The shooter wasnt planning on shooting, thinking Aubrey would pull over. The shooter, if so inclined could have shot Aubrey before he got to the gun. That was not his plan.

Things changed when Aubrey grabbed the gun. Then shooter probably wondered WTF to do.

Who of you would have just given the nut your gun, even if you realised you had judged and done wrong when you pulled the gun?

Who would think, boy, I screwed up. I better give this pissed off jogger my gun.

The McMichaels had no legal right to intimidate or forcibly detain a free man on the street, because they had no knowledge, nor had they witnessed a commission of a felony.

That puts the felony on them. And they were using guns in the commission of that felony. They had no right to self defense.

It was actions taken by the McMichaels which put them in this position. A position which any reasonable man should have foreseen before they grabbed their guns and jumped in the truck to pursue someone they thought they might have circumstantial evidence which MIGHT link him to a crime which MIGHT have happened at some earlier date. Or perhaps he was considering committing a crime at some future date. So they just figured they would nip it in the bud.

Hell, there has been nothing brought to light yet which would have gotten Arbery convicted in court of theft or burglary.

What sense can anyone expect from jX on this matter?
He still insists the helicopter Kobe Bryant died in
required a blackbox, despite FAA and NTSB saying
the opposite.

Now he's showing us his superb mind reading skills
of what Mic Jnr was truly thinking at a roadblock
with shotgun in hand.

For anyone interested, jX has also got a slamdunk theory
of how Bush Snr is connected to the grassy knoll.

Seems alla the Covtards are aligned again.

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Seems alla the Covtards are aligned again.

Jogger Lovers

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Seems alla the Covtards are aligned again.

Jogger Lovers

Easily the most intellectually stimulating post on a thread that would challenge the legal knowledge of a conservative SCJ.

mike r

Originally Posted by lvmiker

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Seems alla the Covtards are aligned again.

Jogger Lovers

Easily the most intellectually stimulating post on a thread that would challenge the legal knowledge of a conservative SCJ.

mike r

Add one more.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Hahahaha - are you sure you want to publicly post that? MW keeps thinking the hear say of recent crimes will be used to assist the McMichaels case... he cant get past that fact that Arbery isnt on trial for for stealing Travis’s handgun.... its Travis thats on trial for killing Arbery.

"By 1994, twenty-one jurisdictions had adopted an approach that allowed specific act evidence [evidence of past acts on the part of the decedent consistent with the claims of the defendant] of the victim’s violent character to be admitted when the accused claimed she acted in self-defense because the decedent was the initial aggressor." - Page 1443

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Hahahaha - are you sure you want to publicly post that? MW keeps thinking the hear say of recent crimes will be used to assist the McMichaels case... he cant get past that fact that Arbery isnt on trial for for stealing Travis’s handgun.... its Travis thats on trial for killing Arbery.

"By 1994, twenty-one jurisdictions had adopted an approach that allowed specific act evidence [evidence of past acts on the part of the decedent consistent with the claims of the defendant] of the victim’s violent character to be admitted when the accused claimed she acted in self-defense because the decedent was the initial aggressor." - Page 1443

Did you read that, the propensity rule?...FRE 404A?

Again...

If the accused had reason to fear the deceased, why did they pursue him?

Im willing to wager right here with Mr Hillbillybob Mirage himself... whats your terms big man?

I already told you that they would not be convicted of murder, also told you that they would be out on bail soon.

Originally Posted by mirage243

I already told you that they would not be convicted of murder, also told you that they would be out on bail soon.

I am in agreement with you that it's not murder at least by what I've seen but it looks like a wrongful death to me. One worthy of some criminal charge. If you are in favor of them getting out on bail, I agree with that also. My problem with the discussion so far is the idea that 2 private citizens can chase a man down on a public road and threaten him with a firearm with no more cause than these two had. They won't get a full murder conviction but the video puts them in a very bad spot.

Thanks to a few gents for the kind words.

Just a question.......say Ahmaud had committed murder the night before, and was on the loose? Would that have made any difference, since the McMichaels hadn’t witnessed the murder?

No accusations, just asking. Many seem stuck, reluctant to any sort of reconsideration due to circumstance.

Does anyone believe Ahmaud’s jogging was limited to that under-construction house?

What is the time limit for a felony? Does law enforcement expire? Please ask Tarquin.

I heard on the video where they just wanted to talk to Arbery. Nothing concerning a citizens arrest. The old man drew no firearm to detain Ahmaud.

I suspect the McMichaels knew he had no stolen merchandise, this time.

I also suspect Travis knew his time was up if the firearm was stripped from him.

Ahmaud had past violations with a handgun. Suspect the old man hillbilly was fully aware, since he had been involved in the past.

It will be very ironic if the initial video results in the acquittal. First contact is vague, but what can be seen is Travis in retreat, with Ahmaud swinging, punching, grabbing gun.

Nothing new in this post......please quit filling in the blanks.

I have a disdain for worthless, jobless, long term thieves.........not a particular race.

I have some liquid assets available.

How much for shall we wager for Felony Murder, both suspects?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Again...

If the accused had reason to fear the deceased, why did they pursue him?

Im willing to wager right here with Mr Hillbillybob Mirage himself... whats your terms big man?

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

I have some liquid assets available.

How much for shall we wager for Felony Murder, both suspects?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Again...

If the accused had reason to fear the deceased, why did they pursue him?

Im willing to wager right here with Mr Hillbillybob Mirage himself... whats your terms big man?

Yea, I got a little liquidity also.

Why don't some of you folks contact Jeff Heller in Canton, Georgia. He is a pretty well regarded homicide attorney and might even cut his fee to get such a high profile case. Y'all could fork up a few dollars and get a funding campaign going. I'm not paying in but there are obviously a bunch of sympathetic folks on the 24HCF who would. Y'all aren't broke and a few hundred dollars each won't kill you. A good lawyer would put this situation into court and out of the public clamor.

I was a witness in several felony trials during my career and I learned to be glad when the accused hired a competent attorney. That way we stayed on our toes and learned to make a case that wouldn't have the evidence kicked out. I was always on good terms with defense attorneys. Even if their job was to cut my throat I knew it wasn't personal.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Thanks to a few gents for the kind words.

Just a question.......say Ahmaud had committed murder the night before, and was on the loose? Would that have made any difference, since the McMichaels hadn’t witnessed the murder?

No accusations, just asking. Many seem stuck, reluctant to any sort of reconsideration due to circumstance.

Does anyone believe Ahmaud’s jogging was limited to that under-construction house?

What is the time limit for a felony? Does law enforcement expire? Please ask Tarquin.

I heard on the video where they just wanted to talk to Arbery. Nothing concerning a citizens arrest. The old man drew no firearm to detain Ahmaud.

I suspect the McMichaels knew he had no stolen merchandise, this time.

I also suspect Travis knew his time was up if the firearm was stripped from him.

Ahmaud had past violations with a handgun. Suspect the old man hillbilly was fully aware, since he had been involved in the past.

It will be very ironic if the initial video results in the acquittal. First contact is vague, but what can be seen is Travis in retreat, with Ahmaud swinging, punching, grabbing gun.

Nothing new in this post......please quit filling in the blanks.

I have a disdain for worthless, jobless, long term thieves.........not a particular race.

You're not supposed to think things out with critical, logical thinking as if you were one of the subjects in question. You are supposed to jump on the MSMs PC bandwagon and rejoice in following the crowd.

Like the PC crew and MSM directs you too.,

There was no clamor until the lowyers and MSM got involved. The Leo's who investigated the incident acted for justice some time ago.

It's amazing how so many of you know so much more about it than those who originally investigated it do.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

. The Leo's who investigated the incident acted for justice some time ago.

It's amazing how so many of you know so much more about it than those who originally investigated it do.

You need to get up to speed...
LE who orig. investigated were ready and willing to arrest and charge them,
until DA Johnson intervened to get an X employee off the hook.

Now the feds are seriously considering investigating
all the DAs involved who had a conflict of interest.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

I heard on the video where they just wanted to talk to Arbery. Nothing concerning a citizens arrest. The old man drew no firearm to detain Ahmaud.

Again.. DA Barnhill wrote it up as citizens arrest
Based on the statement given to police by Mic Snr. himself.

the voice your hear is Mic Snr commanding Arbery
to Stop!.. and accordingly Barnhill wrote it up as such.

Snr is just as much a part of the attempted
unlawful arrest as Jnr.

If you dont understand that, then you don't undetstand
GA law, which has been the case with you all through.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

I have some liquid assets available.

How much for shall we wager for Felony Murder, both suspects?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Again...

If the accused had reason to fear the deceased, why did they pursue him?

Im willing to wager right here with Mr Hillbillybob Mirage himself... whats your terms big man?

Are you saying they’ll be charged with Felony murder and convicted? I’d take the bet no, not convicted.

P

You can’t take the ‘no’ bet......I already called it.

Originally Posted by Pharmseller

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

I have some liquid assets available.

How much for shall we wager for Felony Murder, both suspects?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Again...

If the accused had reason to fear the deceased, why did they pursue him?

Im willing to wager right here with Mr Hillbillybob Mirage himself... whats your terms big man?

Are you saying they’ll be charged with Felony murder and convicted? I’d take the bet no, not convicted.

P

I can’t keep up with your argument here.

Is Barnhill a corrupt DA covering for a hillbilly ex-cop......or is his report on a citizens arrest golden and proof?

Barnhill also mentioned Ahmaud’s mental records as an explanation of his irrational behavior.

Do you know what’s in those records?

Why attack a working, tax-paying citizen, legally holding a shotgun?

Why did Travis bring a shotgun that dreaded day? Uh.....someone stole his handgun. Not everyone has back-up replacements, new in box, like around here. Door unlocked, probably trouble with insurance company.

Why would Arbery continue to harass a neighborhood, even after he’d been discovered/identified?

December through late February.

Don’t you think there were ‘unsuspecting’ greener pastures out there?

There was likely a chip on the shoulder, mental records may show it.

It may be more than just theft.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

I heard on the video where they just wanted to talk to Arbery. Nothing concerning a citizens arrest. The old man drew no firearm to detain Ahmaud.

Again.. DA Barnhill wrote it up as citizens arrest
Based on the statement given to police by Mic Snr. himself.

the voice your hear is Mic Snr commanding Arbery
to Stop!.. and accordingly Barnhill wrote it up as such.

Snr is just as much a part of the attempted
unlawful arrest as Jnr.

If you dont understand that, then you don't undetstand
GA law, which has been the case with you all through.

There was no clamor until the video surfaced, and good-ole boy Barnhill had seen to that. Then that telling video appeared.

Why didn’t the Bubbas call 911 and then just follow the black man? Why did Bubbas have to block road, brandish their guns, and then ambush and kill him? Why did the Bubbas want to be the judge, jury, and executioner that day and then claim self-defense?

Who gave these redneck vigilantes permission to corner and then execute the black man? Not one gunshot to the chest, but two. Bubba wanted to make sure he was good and dead.

No felony was committed in their presence; in fact, no offense was committed in their presence. But hey Bubba, go grab a gun and hunt him down. The Bubbas hunted him down and killed him on suspicion.

If Dumb and Dumber had witnessed the black man committing a crime, they should have called the police. Way to go Bubbas!

Because the media told you that’s how it happened?

An innocent jogger shown in a suit.....like an innocent 12 year old Trayvon......and another innocent Michael Brown, ready to go to college.

You’re being race hustled.

Originally Posted by WhiteTail48

Why did Bubbas have to block road, brandish their guns, and then ambush and kill him?

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Because the media told you that’s how it happened?

An innocent jogger shown in a suit.....like an innocent 12 year old Trayvon......and another innocent Michael Brown, ready to go to college.

You’re being race hustled.

Originally Posted by WhiteTail48

Why did Bubbas have to block road, brandish their guns, and then ambush and kill him?

Bingo!

I like many others here feel as if the jogular was up to no good. But two private citizens running him down twice to force him to stop at gunpoint was a really stupid thing. And they now wish to heaven and hell they had just stayed out of it. They were wrong and in a world of trouble. I feel terrible for them and wish Jr. would have dismounted without a gun in hand. Dad had him covered from the back of the truck. Of course the best thing would have been to let him go on his way. Hindsight is 20/20.

Originally Posted by Hastings

I like many others here feel as if the jogular was up to no good. But two private citizens running him down twice to force him to stop at gunpoint was a really stupid thing.

Can you show us the evidence that the McMichaels were pointing guns at Arbery before Arbery began his efforts to grab the shotgun out of the young McMichael's hands? I must have missed it.

Originally Posted by Hastings

I like many others here feel as if the jogular was up to no good. But two private citizens running him down twice to force him to stop at gunpoint was a really stupid thing. And they now wish to heaven and hell they had just stayed out of it. They were wrong and in a world of trouble. I feel terrible for them and wish Jr. would have dismounted without a gun in hand. Dad had him covered from the back of the truck. Of course the best thing would have been to let him go on his way. Hindsight is 20/20.

that's pretty much how I feel about it

I don't see these guys getting convicted of murder. But they're going to lose everything they own trying to stay out of jail and they'll lose a civil suit.

Originally Posted by KFWA

Originally Posted by Hastings

I like many others here feel as if the jogular was up to no good. But two private citizens running him down twice to force him to stop at gunpoint was a really stupid thing. And they now wish to heaven and hell they had just stayed out of it. They were wrong and in a world of trouble. I feel terrible for them and wish Jr. would have dismounted without a gun in hand. Dad had him covered from the back of the truck. Of course the best thing would have been to let him go on his way. Hindsight is 20/20.

that's pretty much how I feel about it

I don't see these guys getting convicted of murder. But they're going to lose everything they own trying to stay out of jail and they'll lose a civil suit.

IMHO, that about handles it. I also think that there is a much better than even chance that Bubba Junior and maybe Bubba Senior will be convicted of 2nd degree murder, manslaughter, or accidental homicide, or whatever they call that in Georgia. Their lives are toast.

Originally Posted by KFWA

Originally Posted by Hastings

I like many others here feel as if the jogular was up to no good. But two private citizens running him down twice to force him to stop at gunpoint was a really stupid thing. And they now wish to heaven and hell they had just stayed out of it. They were wrong and in a world of trouble. I feel terrible for them and wish Jr. would have dismounted without a gun in hand. Dad had him covered from the back of the truck. Of course the best thing would have been to let him go on his way. Hindsight is 20/20.

that's pretty much how I feel about it

I don't see these guys getting convicted of murder. But they're going to lose everything they own trying to stay out of jail and they'll lose a civil suit.

Agreed.

I think it’s pretty interesting that the local PD referred English to these guys and then once they do what they do, they are basically thrown to the wolves.

We’ll see how it all plays out in the end. I suspect they’ll walk but that it will be a pretty Pyrrhic victory.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

I think it’s pretty interesting that the local PD referred English to these guys and then once they do what they do, they are basically thrown to the wolves.

We’ll see how it all plays out in the end. I suspect they’ll walk but that it will be a pretty Pyrrhic victory.

Or could it turn into a Pyro victory?

If they walk, does Brunswick or even Atlanta burn?

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

I think it’s pretty interesting that the local PD referred English to these guys and then once they do what they do, they are basically thrown to the wolves.

We’ll see how it all plays out in the end. I suspect they’ll walk but that it will be a pretty Pyrrhic victory.

Or could it turn into a Pyro victory?

If they walk, does Brunswick or even Atlanta burn?

Pretty much they always do when viewed in the Big Picture. Gun Rights Advocates have a bad habit of winning battles and losing wars.

Originally Posted by deflave

I don't know anything about this case so I cannot form an opinion.

First time for everything.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Because the media told you that’s how it happened?

An innocent jogger shown in a suit.....like an innocent 12 year old Trayvon......and another innocent Michael Brown, ready to go to college.

You’re being race hustled.

Originally Posted by WhiteTail48

Why did Bubbas have to block road, brandish their guns, and then ambush and kill him?

Ha... turns out the video is 4min’s of them chasing him down... and he said f it at the end and was tired of running...

Looks like you got hustled...

Trayvon Martin attacked a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen carrying a loaded Keltec.

Michael Brown attacked and tried to strip a law enforcement officer of his weapon.

Ahmaud Arbery attacked a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen legally holding a loaded shotgun.

What do they all have in common?

Unbridled, stupid aggression.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Trayvon Martin attacked a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen carrying a loaded Keltec.

Michael Brown attacked and even tried to strip a law enforcement officer of his weapon.

Ahmaud Arbery attacked a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen legally holding a loaded shotgun.

What do they all have in common?

Unbridled, stupid aggression.

They all would have been shot in the back had they not tried to "stand their ground". Simple as that.

There is nothing of the sort on the tell-all video clip.

The race hustlers like to fill in the blanks....

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Hastings

I like many others here feel as if the jogular was up to no good. But two private citizens running him down twice to force him to stop at gunpoint was a really stupid thing.

Can you show us the evidence that the McMichaels were pointing guns at Arbery before Arbery began his efforts to grab the shotgun out of the young McMichael's hands? I must have missed it.

An expected race hustler response.

NBC ‘Today’ ran a clip everyone else saw last week, like it was breaking news.
They are continuing with the original narrative, big surprise.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Trayvon Martin attacked a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen carrying a loaded Keltec.

Michael Brown attacked and even tried to strip a law enforcement officer of his weapon.

Ahmaud Arbery attacked a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen legally holding a loaded shotgun.

What do they all have in common?

Unbridled, stupid aggression.

They all would have been shot in the back had they not tried to "stand their ground". Simple as that.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

An expected race hustler response.

NBC ‘Today’ ran a clip everyone else saw last week, like it was breaking news.
They are continuing with the original narrative, big surprise.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Trayvon Martin attacked a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen carrying a loaded Keltec.

Michael Brown attacked and even tried to strip a law enforcement officer of his weapon.

Ahmaud Arbery attacked a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen legally holding a loaded shotgun.

What do they all have in common?

Unbridled, stupid aggression.

They all would have been shot in the back had they not tried to "stand their ground". Simple as that.

You can expect it because it is true. All, undoubtedly feared for their lives. All should have known that they needed to immediately and unreservedly submit to any white man with a gun. But they chose to "stand their ground". Foolishly, they did not realize that law does not apply to them.

Really quite simple.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Trayvon Martin attacked a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen carrying a loaded Keltec.

Michael Brown attacked and even tried to strip a law enforcement officer of his weapon.

Ahmaud Arbery attacked a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen legally holding a loaded shotgun.

What do they all have in common?

Unbridled, stupid aggression.

They all would have been shot in the back had they not tried to "stand their ground". Simple as that.

You are the #1 idiot on the Fire

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

There is nothing of the sort on the tell-all video clip.

The race hustlers like to fill in the blanks....

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Hastings

I like many others here feel as if the jogular was up to no good. But two private citizens running him down twice to force him to stop at gunpoint was a really stupid thing.

Can you show us the evidence that the McMichaels were pointing guns at Arbery before Arbery began his efforts to grab the shotgun out of the young McMichael's hands? I must have missed it.

That's what I figured.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

I can’t keep up with your argument here.

Is Barnhill a corrupt DA covering for a hillbilly ex-cop......or is his report on a citizens arrest golden and proof?

are you really that thick?

Ok, one more time for the CF dummies...

McMichael gave a statement indicating he
persued Arbery and cut him off/ordered him
To Stop!.. saying he did it after Bryan had
attempted the same. ... So rightfully Barnhill
wrote it up as decribed by the defendant...
=Citizens arrest.
(Unless you buy JoeBobs baloney that they
'only wanted to talk' to Arbery)

THE part Barnhill then got wrong is that he stated
McMichaels had ' first-hand strong probable cause'
to conduct the arrest.

GBI found no evidence to support the probable cause
[of a felony having been witnessed]
... Even the orig investigating officers could not find it,
since they were ready and willing to arrest/charge the
McMichaels, till DA Johnson intervened, preventing
them from doing so.

I take you believe the orig. officers were going to
Charge them on false grounds?.. and the current GBI
have charged them on false grounds?

Seperate groups of LE Investigators that came to
same conclusion months apart.. have it wrong?

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by JoeBob

I think it’s pretty interesting that the local PD referred English to these guys and then once they do what they do, they are basically thrown to the wolves.

We’ll see how it all plays out in the end. I suspect they’ll walk but that it will be a pretty Pyrrhic victory.

Or could it turn into a Pyro victory?

If they walk, does Brunswick or even Atlanta burn?

Only if we’re lucky. A couple less schitholes in the world.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

I can’t keep up with your argument here.

Is Barnhill a corrupt DA covering for a hillbilly ex-cop......or is his report on a citizens arrest golden and proof?

are you really that thick?

Ok, one more time for the CF dummies...

McMichael gave a statement indicating he
persued Arbery and cut him off/ordered him
To Stop!.. saying he did it after Bryan had
attempted the same. ... So rightfully Barnhill
wrote it up as decribed by the defendant...
=Citizens arrest.
(Unless you buy JoeBobs baloney that they
'only wanted to talk' to Arbery)

THE part Barnhill then got wrong is that he stated
McMichaels had ' first-hand strong probable cause'
to conduct the arrest.

GBI found no evidence to support the probable cause
[of a felony having been witnessed]
... Even the orig investigating officers could not find it,
since they were ready and willing to arrest/charge the
McMichaels, till DA Johnson intervened, preventing
them from doing so.

I take you believe the orig. officers were going to
Charge them on false grounds?.. and the current GBI
have charged them on false grounds?

Seperate groups of LE Investigators that came to
same conclusion months apart.. have it wrong?

Give me a link to that statement.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Doesn't resemble the Trayvon Martin situation in the least.

Right, or the Michael Brown situation either except the races of the shooter and shootee are the same. That's it.

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Doesn't resemble the Trayvon Martin situation in the least.

Right, or the Michael Brown situation either except the races of the shooter and shootee are the same. That's it.

Well, who has the gun and who is unarmed. There is that too.

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Doesn't resemble the Trayvon Martin situation in the least.

Right, or the Michael Brown situation either except the races of the shooter and shootee are the same. That's it.

Well, who has the gun and who is unarmed. There is that too.

^^^^^^ say it one more time, dumb fuqk.

Quote

Arbery would only had to pull the shotgun approximately 1/16th to 1/8th of one inch to fire weapon himself and in the height of an altercation this is entirely possible . Arberys mental health records & prior convictions help explain his apparent aggressive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack an armed man.

What......prior convictions?

Was Ahmaud Arbery a convicted felon?

Actually, it is quite different than the Trayvon case, in which the diseased was armed with a concrete sidewalk and as such snuck up behind George and whacked him over the head with it, making George fear for his life, and thus dump some 9 mm or whatever into him.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Actually, it is quite different than the Trayvon case, in which the diseased was armed with a concrete sidewalk and as such snuck up behind George and whacked him over the head with it, making George fear for his life, and thus dump some 9 mm or whatever into him.

He would have had to have been sick to do that.

Originally Posted by 5sdad

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Actually, it is quite different than the Trayvon case, in which the diseased was armed with a concrete sidewalk and as such snuck up behind George and whacked him over the head with it, making George fear for his life, and thus dump some 9 mm or whatever into him.

He would have had to have been sick to do that.

No doubt. Same disease that Bruce Banner had.

More than a year after high school?

Quote

In early December 2013, more than a year after he had graduated, a school resource officer spotted a handgun in his waistband as he waited to enter a basketball game at the Brunswick High School, records show. Arbery ran, and police chased and arrested him. Arbery admitted he was armed but no longer had the gun. Police later found a .380 caliber semi-automatic handgun in front of the gym. He was charged with weapons possession at a school and obstructing an officer.

Link

Revocation of probation? What happens after revocation?

Greg McMichael led the investigation into the probation revocation? The firearm conviction?

Tarquin.......what does that mean?

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In early December, police responded after Arbery and three friends were accused of trying to steal a television from a Brunswick Walmart. The officer ordered all four to sit on the parking lot. Arbery tried to stand up as he argued about whether he had done anything. The officer handcuffed Arbery face-down on the asphalt.

The shoplifting charge prompted an investigation into his probation status by the Glynn County District Attorney’s office in early 2018. Greg McMichael led the investigation that led to the revocation of Arbery’s probation.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Doesn't resemble the Trayvon Martin situation in the least.

That was very early on, when all I had was the MSM account of things. After seeing all the information about it, it actually is similar in several ways, not least of which is the MSM reaction to it.

More like Michael Brown.

Tryin to investigate the black guy's activities.

Black guy don't wanna have a conversation.

Black guy tries ta grab open-carried firearm.

Gets wrong end.

Selective release of information designed to stir unrest and deny one party a fair trial.

Hopefully there will be some older white men on the jury and the conviction will be for one of the lesser homicides. It will be awfully hard to get it down to negligent. Multiple shots negate that, and initiating it puts a real kink in a self defense claim. Dad may get by but Jr. probably not.

Is this for real? Have joggers figured out that baggy clothing protects against tasers?

Originally Posted by Hastings

Hopefully there will be some older white men on the jury and the conviction will be for one of the lesser homicides. It will be awfully hard to get it down to negligent. Multiple shots negate that, and initiating it puts a real kink in a self defense claim. Dad may get by but Jr. probably not.

I think they both get off on justified self-defense, if there's any justice in the system.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Hastings

Hopefully there will be some older white men on the jury and the conviction will be for one of the lesser homicides. It will be awfully hard to get it down to negligent. Multiple shots negate that, and initiating it puts a real kink in a self defense claim. Dad may get by but Jr. probably not.

I think they both get off on justified self-defense, if there's any justice in the system.

How in the world is that justice?

You guys are amazing at what ends you will go to keep the faith (and the race).

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Trayvon Martin attacked a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen carrying a loaded Keltec.

Michael Brown attacked and even tried to strip a law enforcement officer of his weapon.

Ahmaud Arbery attacked a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen legally holding a loaded shotgun.

What do they all have in common?

Unbridled, stupid aggression.

They all would have been shot in the back had they not tried to "stand their ground". Simple as that.

No, we will never know the answer to that question in the Arbery case. If the McMichaels intended to use lethal force to stop him, no matter what, they will never admit to that. And it is impossible to read their mind, nor that of the dead man.

But we do know enough to determine that a reasonable man in Arbery's position had reason to fear for his life. He also had no way to read the minds of the McMichaels, to know how severely they would have treated him, had he surrendered.

"Unbridled stupid aggression" is a damned accurate description of two men in a pickup truck ambushing a man on the street repeatedly.

Again, exactly how many times is a man supposed to attempt to outrun a motor vehicle, before he turns to fight for his life?

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Again, exactly how many times is a man supposed to attempt to outrun a motor vehicle, before he turns to fight for his life?

How many times did Arbery try to outrun a motor vehicle?

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Hastings

Hopefully there will be some older white men on the jury and the conviction will be for one of the lesser homicides. It will be awfully hard to get it down to negligent. Multiple shots negate that, and initiating it puts a real kink in a self defense claim. Dad may get by but Jr. probably not.

I think they both get off on justified self-defense, if there's any justice in the system.

How in the world is that justice? You guys are amazing at what ends you will go to keep the faith (and the race).

Kind of accusing me of racism? Because I don't look at a wrongful killing as out and out murder? If I was a juror in this case I would certainly listen to both prosecution and defense. But knowing no more than I know now Jr. would get at least negligent homicide. I not sure what Dad should get. Things are not usually black and white. There are two sides. That is why there are trials. That video could be excluded since it was released improperly (maybe) by a previous attorney. By the way my best neighbor and best friend is black and I just wish my white neighbors acted as good as the black ones.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

More than a year after high school?

In early December 2013, more than a year after he had graduated, a school resource officer spotted a handgun in his waistband as he waited to enter a basketball game at the Brunswick High School, records show. Arbery ran, and police chased and arrested him. Arbery admitted he was armed but no longer had the gun. Police later found a .380 caliber semi-automatic handgun in front of the gym. He was charged with weapons possession at a school and obstructing an officer.

and

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

In early December, police responded after Arbery and three friends were accused of trying to steal a television from a Brunswick Walmart. The officer ordered all four to sit on the parking lot. Arbery tried to stand up as he argued about whether he had done anything. The officer handcuffed Arbery face-down on the asphalt.

The shoplifting charge prompted an investigation into his probation status by the Glynn County District Attorney’s office in early 2018. Greg McMichael led the investigation that led to the revocation of Arbery’s probation.

Nobody here is claiming Arbery has been any kind of angel. The only claim is that McMichaels had no legal cause to forcibly detain Arbery on the street the day of Arbery's death.

Are private citizens now entitled to "Stop and Frisk"? Because that is what McMichaels was actually doing. And do you and I have no right to resist such an act perpetrated upon us by another citizen?

Is it okay if the victim is just a "jogger" and the perp is not a "jogger". Must the jogger endure the harassment just because he is a "jogger"? Do "joggers" have no right to self defense or "Stand Your Ground"?

So we know that Arbery was well known to McMichaels. And if McMichaels had seen video recording of Arbery in the neighborhood, he probably would have recognized him. But that is an assumption.

What we do know is that McMichaels recognized Arbery on the day of Arbery's death as they pursued him through the streets. We know that McMichaels was (or at least should have been) familiar with police procedure. We know that McMichaels should have known that all he had to do was give Arbery's name to local police and they could go to Arbery's home and pick him up at any time.

But for some reason, McMichaels was motivated to personally detain Arbery on the street regardless of the force needed to do so.

What inspired such motivation? McMichaels is on record as being unable to articulate probable cause. The very first thing any policeman, let alone a Detective, should have learned to do before initiating an arrest. For what reason did McMichaels have a "Hard On" for Arbery in particular?

Unfortunately, McMichael's son got caught up in the mob mentality, anger, and excitement. (yes a mob of two) It is possible the Old Man was actually smart enough to not attempt a physical confrontation. I bet he wishes now that he had not gotten his son so fired up.

It is not possible for rational minds to understand the actions taken by irrational people.

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https://www.nytimes.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-georgia.html The Glynn county police department was already facing local political pressure to disband before the Arbery shooting due to a string of recent corruption scandals.

In March the department’s police chief and three high ranking officers were indicted on perjury charges related to allegations they ignored evidence that an officer from the department was consorting with a local drug dealer.

The department was forced to disband a specialist narcotics department in 2019 after an investigator was found to have had sex with two confidential informants. The department found evidence of the misconduct in 2017 but failed to investigate. In 2018 the department lost certifications with two law enforcement bodies, the Georgia Association of Chiefs of Police and the Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement.

On Monday an outside judge was appointed to preside over the trial of the two men charged with Arbery’s murder, one of whom is a retired law

It has already been explained to us that McMichaels loss of arrest credentials due to his failure to attend training is just SOP for Police Enforcement. We were told that officers ignore training requirements all the time and it is nothing to be concerned about. How about the above quoted material? Is this just SOP for the average police dept across the nation?

Perhaps local police, when they recommended to a property owner that he enlist the help of vigilantes, is just one more example of the corruption and incompetence replete within McMichael's former employers.

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Again, exactly how many times is a man supposed to attempt to outrun a motor vehicle, before he turns to fight for his life?

How many times did Arbery try to outrun a motor vehicle?

It is quoted that he was cornered and escaped once and then chased down a second time.

When I was a state game warden for 30 years very often a property owner would complain to me about trespassers. I would offer to help them capture a trespasser only if they would guarantee me they would sign their name as property owner on an affidavit in support of an arrest warrant or citation for trespass. All too often they backed out upon being told this. Was hard for them to understand that I couldn't win a charge without the victim verifying that his property was in fact violated illegally. At this point I would suggest they write a letter to the trespasser if he was known and advise him not to enter the property for any purpose. They usually wanted me to go talk to the suspected or known trespasser. I would tell them I wasn't a social worker and I needed the option of arrest if things went south and that I required a verified complaint from the property owner and his promise to support prosecution. Have we noticed the property owner in this case has washed his hands of ever complaining about trespassers. Now Dad and Jr. are in a world of spit for attempting to help a neighbor with trespass. They were stupid to do it but I can't help but feel sorry for everyone involved except the property owner who has now pretty well sided up against the folks who very stupidly tried to help him.

I wonder what the legal ruling is when two people both fear for their lives and one is shot and killed in a forceful struggle for the weapon that one was holding? Does the premise that McMichael had no legal reason to attempt a citizens arrest, automatically make him guilty of some type of negligent homicide? As for the Dad in the back of the truck, he had no involvement in the struggle, so why would he have legal jeopardy. The McMichaels were foolish to confront someone with weapons displayed, but wonder how this would all play out if all involved were black or if all involved were white.

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Give me a link to that statement.

I like you and everyone here rely on what
News reports have said.

here however are the exact words from a pdf file
of the email correspondence by DA Barnhill
to Cpt. Tom Jump Glynn County (23 Feb.)
based on what Mcmichael reportedly gave in
his statement.

Quote]..
[i]
"It appears Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael, and Bryan William
were following, in hot pursuit, a burglary suspect,
with solid first hand probable cause,in their neighborhood,
and asking/telling him to stop.It appears their intent was to stop
and hold this criminal suspect until law enforcement arrived. "

(Barnhill also cites the statute he believes is applicable)
OCGA17-4 60 >>" A private person may arrest an offender if the offense
is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge.
If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting
to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”
.. Endquote]
*****
JB, You being an attorney, how about you provide your
source to support your baloney claim the McMichaels
only wanted to talk to Arbery ?

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Again, exactly how many times is a man supposed to attempt to outrun a motor vehicle, before he turns to fight for his life?

How many times did Arbery try to outrun a motor vehicle?

Man.... you sure suck at this internet thing. The video is 4min’s of them chasing him down and him escaping. Its obvious he had, had enough at the conclusion.

Seems you pro killers were boomdoggled by the media LMAO....

Originally Posted by RatherBHuntin

I wonder what the legal ruling is when two people both fear for their lives and one is shot and killed in a forceful struggle for the weapon that one was holding? Does the premise that McMichael had no legal reason to attempt a citizens arrest, automatically make him guilty of some type of negligent homicide? As for the Dad in the back of the truck, he had no involvement in the struggle, so why would he have legal jeopardy. The McMichaels were foolish to confront someone with weapons displayed, but wonder how this would all play out if all involved were black or if all involved were white.

How do you not "display" a shotgun when lawfully carrying it openly?

Quote

.......although between August 2019 and Feb. 23, records show 87 calls from Satilla Shores reporting various activity, including suspicious behavior, trespassing and thefts.

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

I don't know that, that video helps anybody.

LOL

Quote

Arbery ran, and police chased and arrested him.

A second officer arrived shortly and forced Arbery to his knees with the threat of his Taser.

Arbery tried to stand up as he argued about whether he had done anything. The officer handcuffed Arbery face-down on the asphalt.

Arbery and Travis McMichael struggle. Several shots ring out. Arbery takes a few final steps, then collapses.

All different incidents.......

Anyone see any trends?

Same link

Oh probably not, but it gives a little insight into his 'personality'

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Quote

.......although between August 2019 and Feb. 23, records show 87 calls from Satilla Shores reporting various activity, including suspicious behavior, trespassing and thefts.

And joggers wonder why people don't like them.

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Oh probably not, but it gives a little insight into his 'personality'

what was he doing wrong in the video that warranted the police talking to him.....bob

Does anybody have this full 4:00 video?

I can't seem to locate it.

You put it back in the holster, of course.

Any gun in view is brandishing.....to those that watch NBC and CNN.

Those that contribute to this race hustle.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by RatherBHuntin

I wonder what the legal ruling is when two people both fear for their lives and one is shot and killed in a forceful struggle for the weapon that one was holding? Does the premise that McMichael had no legal reason to attempt a citizens arrest, automatically make him guilty of some type of negligent homicide? As for the Dad in the back of the truck, he had no involvement in the struggle, so why would he have legal jeopardy. The McMichaels were foolish to confront someone with weapons displayed, but wonder how this would all play out if all involved were black or if all involved were white.

How do you not "display" a shotgun when lawfully carrying it openly?

Sure verified his choir boy image with me.

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Oh probably not, but it gives a little insight into his 'personality'

Originally Posted by Hastings

When I was a state game warden for 30 years very often a property owner would complain to me about trespassers. I would offer to help them capture a trespasser only if they would guarantee me they would sign their name as property owner on an affidavit in support of an arrest warrant or citation for trespass. All too often they backed out upon being told this. Was hard for them to understand that I couldn't win a charge without the victim verifying that his property was in fact violated illegally. At this point I would suggest they write a letter to the trespasser if he was known and advise him not to enter the property for any purpose. They usually wanted me to go talk to the suspected or known trespasser. I would tell them I wasn't a social worker and I needed the option of arrest if things went south and that I required a verified complaint from the property owner and his promise to support prosecution. Have we noticed the property owner in this case has washed his hands of ever complaining about trespassers. Now Dad and Jr. are in a world of spit for attempting to help a neighbor with trespass. They were stupid to do it but I can't help but feel sorry for everyone involved except the property owner who has now pretty well sided up against the folks who very stupidly tried to help him.

Ahh yes. Liberals.. who don't want to be "involved".

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

I think the one cop should be glad his taser malfunctioned....

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Oh probably not, but it gives a little insight into his 'personality'

Should people be murdered for personality?

Land of the free.....

Originally Posted by BobMt

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Oh probably not, but it gives a little insight into his 'personality'

what was he doing wrong in the video that warranted the police talking to him.....bob

A bad personality apparently.....

It appears most on here dont get that police arent supposed to just roll up on you to investigate.

I see plastic in your car? Lmao.... uumm what? You see a plastic bag in my car? Now you suspect me of drug use.....

Theres the obvious, then there is the technical. The technical is what matters.

Question:

Was Ahmaud’s vehicle parked on public or private property?

Would that affect your opinion in the least?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by BobMt

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Oh probably not, but it gives a little insight into his 'personality'

what was he doing wrong in the video that warranted the police talking to him.....bob

A bad personality apparently.....

It appears most on here dont get that police arent supposed to just roll up on you to investigate.

I see plastic in your car? Lmao.... uumm what? You see a plastic bag in my car? Now you suspect me of drug use.....

Theres the obvious, then there is the technical. The technical is what matters.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Originally Posted by Fubarski

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Again, exactly how many times is a man supposed to attempt to outrun a motor vehicle, before he turns to fight for his life?

How many times did Arbery try to outrun a motor vehicle?

It is quoted that he was cornered and escaped once and then chased down a second time.

Once is one time too many.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Quote

Arbery ran, and police chased and arrested him.

A second officer arrived shortly and forced Arbery to his knees with the threat of his Taser.

Arbery tried to stand up as he argued about whether he had done anything. The officer handcuffed Arbery face-down on the asphalt.

Arbery and Travis McMichael struggle. Several shots ring out. Arbery takes a few final steps, then collapses.

All different incidents.......

Anyone see any trends?

Same link

Looking around for something he can pawn.

Originally Posted by BobMt

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Oh probably not, but it gives a little insight into his 'personality'

what was he doing wrong in the video that warranted the police talking to him.....bob

Loitering.

The video gives insight into his level of respect for lawful authority and his quickness to rage and to engage in threatening behavior. If he would behave that threateningly to a police officer, what might he do if challenged by a regular Joe or Jane?

Originally Posted by RatherBHuntin

As for the Dad in the back of the truck, he had no involvement in the struggle, so why would he have legal jeopardy.

Felony piss-poor parenting. Hanging offence.

Quote

The McMichaels were foolish to confront someone with weapons displayed, but wonder how this would all play out if all involved were black or if all involved were white.

Imagine two black guys ran down a white jogular guy and shot him? There would be HELL TO PAY on campfire....

More personality here.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Oh probably not, but it gives a little insight into his 'personality'

Should people be murdered for personality?

Land of the free.....

Red herring. That's not the question. Knowledge of his disrespect for lawful authority, and quickness to rage and behave in a threatening manner is relevant to a claim that he was the aggressor in a self-defense shooting.

Seriously.

Does anybody have the link to the four minute video?

I can't find it in this thread.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by BobMt

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Oh probably not, but it gives a little insight into his 'personality'

what was he doing wrong in the video that warranted the police talking to him.....bob

Loitering.

The video gives insight into his level of respect for lawful authority and his quickness to rage and to engage in threatening behavior. If he would behave that threateningly to a police officer, what might he do if challenged by a regular Joe or Jane?

Loitering in his car at a park? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

More personality here.

Fine, upstanding, young man, by all appearances.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Question:

Was Ahmaud’s vehicle parked on public or private property?

Would that affect your opinion in the least?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by BobMt

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Oh probably not, but it gives a little insight into his 'personality'

what was he doing wrong in the video that warranted the police talking to him.....bob

A bad personality apparently.....

It appears most on here dont get that police arent supposed to just roll up on you to investigate.

I see plastic in your car? Lmao.... uumm what? You see a plastic bag in my car? Now you suspect me of drug use.....

Theres the obvious, then there is the technical. The technical is what matters.

No, not in the least. He wasnt breaking any laws as the officer said. The officer said he was investigating suspicious behavior, as they have a lot of “gang and drug” activity in that specific area of the park.

In this country you have the presumption of innocence... investigating suspicious activity because someone is in their parked car is not suspicious..... it would not fit reasonable! I would have told the cop to piss off too!

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

More personality here.

Fine, upstanding, young man, by all appearances.

But...

Does that warrant him being chased down and shot by the McMichaels in the United States, where we have freedom... freedom of speech, which is being displayed?

No... no it doesnt. Freedoms go all ways, and just because you dont like what someone says doesnt mean its a crime.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Loitering in his car at a park? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Cop was inquiring into his purpose in being there under the suspicion of loitering (hanging out somewhere for an illegal purpose). He could have remained calm and non-threatening, and simply stated his purpose. Like it or not, most crimes are committed by people matching his description, and cops are naturally more likely to inquire about purpose when they come across someone of his description apparently loitering. It would be stupid for cops to ignore the overwhelming odds that someone of his description, in circumstances like when they came upon him, was engaged in an illegal activity of one sort or another. They are allowed to inquire. How people react to that lawful inquiry can often get them in trouble.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Loitering in his car at a park? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Cop was inquiring into his purpose in being there under the suspicion of loitering (hanging out somewhere for an illegal purpose). He could have remained calm and non-threatening, and simply stated his purpose. Like it or not, most crimes are committed by people matching his description, and cops are naturally more likely to inquire about purpose when they come across someone of his description apparently loitering. It would be stupid for cops to ignore the overwhelming odds that someone of his description, in circumstances like when they came upon him, was engaged in an illegal activity of one sort or another. They are allowed to inquire. How people react to that lawful inquiry can often get them in trouble.

Huh.. who knew, you support a communist police state..

Like it or not, he wasnt loitering. Like it or not he should be presumed innocent until he proves otherwise. Like it or not, police arent here to investigate based on their suspicion, they are here to serve and protect everyone.

You just proved your true ignorance of our rights.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Loitering in his car at a park? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Cop was inquiring into his purpose in being there under the suspicion of loitering (hanging out somewhere for an illegal purpose). He could have remained calm and non-threatening, and simply stated his purpose. Like it or not, most crimes are committed by people matching his description, and cops are naturally more likely to inquire about purpose when they come across someone of his description apparently loitering. It would be stupid for cops to ignore the overwhelming odds that someone of his description, in circumstances like when they came upon him, was engaged in an illegal activity of one sort or another. They are allowed to inquire. How people react to that lawful inquiry can often get them in trouble.

Huh.. who knew, you support a communist police state..

Like it or not, he wasnt loitering. Like it or not he should be presumed innocent until he proves otherwise. Like it or not, police arent here to investigate based on their suspicion, they are here to serve and protect everyone.

You just proved your true ignorance of our rights.

Debating a video that is as heavily edited as that one is pretty pointless.

Well... he is stating the guy was loitering so the cop was investigating. Being a Constitutional Conservative, Id expect him to understand the Constitution. The 14th Amendment covers this.

Chicago vs Morales....

I didnt watch the walmart video... i thought we were still on the park...

I will say he wasnt a camera shy guy....

But non of this warrants him being chased, detained or shot by the McMichaels, non....

Its all irrelevant. They still killed him, they still chased him, and they still got involved in something tbey werent supposed to be in....

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Oh probably not, but it gives a little insight into his 'personality'

Should people be murdered for personality? Land of the free.....

I sure hope not. If so I'm toast.

An aspiring rapper. Who'd a thunk it?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

I didnt watch the walmart video... i thought we were still on the park...

I will say he wasnt a camera shy guy....

But non of this warrants him being chased, detained or shot by the McMichaels, non....

Its all irrelevant. They still killed him, they still chased him, and they still got involved in something tbey werent supposed to be in....

It's doubtful either video could be admitted anyway.

I wonder what opinion Eddie Haskell had on this.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Well... he is stating the guy was loitering so the cop was investigating. Being a Constitutional Conservative, Id expect him to understand the Constitution. The 14th Amendment covers this.

Chicago vs Morales....

That case doesn't prevent police officers inquiring into purpose when they see loitering. It merely establishes the rule that when asked, strictly to end loitering status, to move along, the officer may not arrest the person for loitering if the person merely refuses to obey the command. This doesn't mean, however, that the person cannot then be arrested for behaving in an aggressive and threatening manner in reaction to the inquiry.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Well... he is stating the guy was loitering so the cop was investigating. Being a Constitutional Conservative, Id expect him to understand the Constitution. The 14th Amendment covers this.

Chicago vs Morales....

That case doesn't prevent police officers inquiring into purpose when they see loitering. It merely establishes the rule that when asked, strictly for ending his loitering status, to move along, the officer may not arrest the person for loitering if the person merely refuses to do obey the command. It doesn't mean, however, that the person cannot then be arrested for behaving in an aggressive and threatening manner in reaction to the inquiry.

A police officer doesn't need a reason to approach anybody.

Just like you don't need a reason to say hello to a person in the library.

They are consensual encounters.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Well... he is stating the guy was loitering so the cop was investigating. Being a Constitutional Conservative, Id expect him to understand the Constitution. The 14th Amendment covers this.

Chicago vs Morales....

That case doesn't prevent police officers inquiring into purpose when they see loitering. It merely establishes the rule that when asked, strictly for ending loitering status, to move along, the officer may not arrest the person for loitering if the person merely refuses to do obey the command. It doesn't mean, however, that the person cannot then be arrested for behaving in an aggressive and threatening manner in reaction to the inquiry.

Your lost dude.... you ever hear of freedom of speech or freedom of expression.

Nothing he did was illegal.

You dont understand your rights or the law.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Well... he is stating the guy was loitering so the cop was investigating. Being a Constitutional Conservative, Id expect him to understand the Constitution. The 14th Amendment covers this.

Chicago vs Morales....

That case doesn't prevent police officers inquiring into purpose when they see loitering. It merely establishes the rule that when asked, strictly for ending his loitering status, to move along, the officer may not arrest the person for loitering if the person merely refuses to do obey the command. It doesn't mean, however, that the person cannot then be arrested for behaving in an aggressive and threatening manner in reaction to the inquiry.

A police officer doesn't need a reason to approach anybody.

Just like you don't need a reason to say hello to a person in the library.

They are consensual encounters.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Your lost dude.... you ever hear of freedom of speech or freedom of expression.

Nothing he did was illegal.

You dont understand your rights or the law.

I would have felt physically in jeopardy had I asked this guy what he was doing there (which I am allowed to do), and he reacted to me the way he did to the officer. You are not permitted to place others in reasonable fear of imminent physical harm for merely asking a question.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Well... he is stating the guy was loitering so the cop was investigating. Being a Constitutional Conservative, Id expect him to understand the Constitution. The 14th Amendment covers this.

Chicago vs Morales....

That case doesn't prevent police officers inquiring into purpose when they see loitering. It merely establishes the rule that when asked, strictly for ending his loitering status, to move along, the officer may not arrest the person for loitering if the person merely refuses to do obey the command. It doesn't mean, however, that the person cannot then be arrested for behaving in an aggressive and threatening manner in reaction to the inquiry.

A police officer doesn't need a reason to approach anybody.

Just like you don't need a reason to say hello to a person in the library.

They are consensual encounters.

Exactly.

Exactly what? LMAO... you said he was investigating him based on profiling.... then you said he didnt have the right to respond the way he did, which is 100% incorrect...

Exactly.... lmao...

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Your lost dude.... you ever hear of freedom of speech or freedom of expression.

Nothing he did was illegal.

You dont understand your rights or the law.

I would have felt physically in jeopardy had I asked this guy what he was doing there (which I am allowed to do), and he reacted to me the way he did to the officer. You are not permitted to place others in reasonable fear of imminent physical harm for merely asking a question.

Hahahahahahaha

Then since your a big juicy vagina maybe you shouldnt be a cop...

Reasonable fear because he talked back to you? Hahahahahahaha

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Your lost dude.... you ever hear of freedom of speech or freedom of expression.

Nothing he did was illegal.

You dont understand your rights or the law.

I would have felt physically in jeopardy had I asked this guy what he was doing there (which I am allowed to do), and he reacted to me the way he did to the officer. You are not permitted to place others in reasonable fear of imminent physical harm for merely asking a question.

You mean, like the McMichaels did?

And, that entitles you to use lethal force, obviously.

The cop was within his rights to stop and ask the guy a question, just like you are at liberty to do that. That was Deflave's point. Naturally, the cop wouldn't have done so unless he had a hunch something was up, based on the totality of the circumstances.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

The cop was within his rights to stop and ask the guy a question, just like you are at liberty to do that. That was Deflave's point. Naturally, the cop wouldn't have done so unless he had a hunch something was up, based on the totality of the circumstances.

deflave has never had a "point". Don't sully his reputation like that.

My guess is that the cop just wanted to goad him into doing something so he could justify a little whup-ass fun.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

The cop was within his rights to stop and ask the guy a question, just like you are at liberty to do that. That was Deflave's point. Naturally, the cop wouldn't have done so unless he had a hunch something was up, based on the totality of the circumstances.

Really, he wouldnt have done it huh... you should check out youtube, tons of videos of cops over stepping their bounds...

So... did Arbery need to respond to the cop? Did he need to give him his ID?

Looked to me like he complied when he didnt need too, and became agitated because he was profiled.

Again, maybe you should read up on your rights....

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

The cop was within his rights to stop and ask the guy a question, just like you are at liberty to do that. That was Deflave's point. Naturally, the cop wouldn't have done so unless he had a hunch something was up, based on the totality of the circumstances.

Really, he wouldnt have done it huh... you should check out youtube, tons of videos of cops over stepping their bounds...

So... did Arbery need to respond to the cop? Did he need to give him his ID?

Looked to me like he complied when he didnt need too, and became agitated because he was profiled.

Again, maybe you should read up on your rights....

I don't have a problem with profiling as a guide to who cops should inquire into and who they needn't bother with. That's PC BS.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

The cop was within his rights to stop and ask the guy a question, just like you are at liberty to do that. That was Deflave's point. Naturally, the cop wouldn't have done so unless he had a hunch something was up, based on the totality of the circumstances.

Really, he wouldnt have done it huh... you should check out youtube, tons of videos of cops over stepping their bounds...

So... did Arbery need to respond to the cop? Did he need to give him his ID?

Looked to me like he complied when he didnt need too, and became agitated because he was profiled.

Again, maybe you should read up on your rights....

I don't have a problem with profiling as a guide to who cops should inquire into and who they needn't bother with. That's PC BS.

Hahahahaha no... no its not... its called violating ones rights hahahahaha

More and more evidence that he was a thievin' little jigger, errr I mean jogger. I don't feel sorry for the little mother fugger, people get tired of these joggers stealing their sheit. Another little Trayvon, Michael, Dindunuffin. Fuqk Him

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

The cop was within his rights to stop and ask the guy a question, just like you are at liberty to do that. That was Deflave's point. Naturally, the cop wouldn't have done so unless he had a hunch something was up, based on the totality of the circumstances.

deflave has never had a "point". Don't sully his reputation like that.

My guess is that the cop just wanted to goad him into doing something so he could justify a little whup-ass fun.

SheRoy,

When I speak, it's best that others listen.

Originally Posted by mirage243

More and more evidence that he was a thievin' little jigger, errr I mean jogger. I don't feel sorry for the little mother fugger, people get tired of these joggers stealing their sheit. Another little Trayvon, Michael, Dindunuffin. Fuqk Him

Bravo. At least you are bold about your anti-Americanism.

Originally Posted by deflave

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

The cop was within his rights to stop and ask the guy a question, just like you are at liberty to do that. That was Deflave's point. Naturally, the cop wouldn't have done so unless he had a hunch something was up, based on the totality of the circumstances.

deflave has never had a "point". Don't sully his reputation like that.

My guess is that the cop just wanted to goad him into doing something so he could justify a little whup-ass fun.

SheRoy,

When I speak, it's best that others listen.

That's funny. I say EXACTLY the same thing.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by mirage243

More and more evidence that he was a thievin' little jigger, errr I mean jogger. I don't feel sorry for the little mother fugger, people get tired of these joggers stealing their sheit. Another little Trayvon, Michael, Dindunuffin. Fuqk Him

Bravo. At least you are bold about your anti-Americanism.

You lefties hate men don't you ?

Edit to say - damn right mirage243 fk these little worthless SOB's - same goes for lefty pusscakes on this website .

Originally Posted by ol_mike

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by mirage243

More and more evidence that he was a thievin' little jigger, errr I mean jogger. I don't feel sorry for the little mother fugger, people get tired of these joggers stealing their sheit. Another little Trayvon, Michael, Dindunuffin. Fuqk Him

Bravo. At least you are bold about your anti-Americanism.

You lefties hate men don't you ?

Not at all. I certainly don't hate myself. But I don't much care for anti-Americans like mirage243.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Hahahahaha no... no its not... its called violating ones rights hahahahaha

Only a leftist thinks he has a right not to be profiled in accordance with overwhelming statistics and repeated observation.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

its called violating ones rights hahahahaha

What right does profiling violate?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by BobMt

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Oh probably not, but it gives a little insight into his 'personality'

what was he doing wrong in the video that warranted the police talking to him.....bob

Loitering.

The video gives insight into his level of respect for lawful authority and his quickness to rage and to engage in threatening behavior. If he would behave that threateningly to a police officer, what might he do if challenged by a regular Joe or Jane?

It's a public park.

That's the whole purpose of a public park.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

I think the one cop should be glad his taser malfunctioned.

The cop malfunctioned, not the taser.

That edited videos shows:

1.) A consensual encounter between subject and primary officer
2.) Subject compliant
3.) Subject detained
4.) Subject becoming belligerent while still adhering to voice commands given by the officer
5.) Subject continuing to adhere to voice commands given by an officer
6.) Officer advising subject he has no wants or warrants
7.) Second officer's (failed) attempt to escalate the level of force
8.) Primary officer advising secondary that the subject is unarmed
9.) Arrival of supervisor on scene
10.) No arrest made

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

It's a public park.

That's the whole purpose of a public park.

I didn't say he was loitering (hanging out in a public place for an unlawful purpose). I said the cop has a right to approach someone he thinks might be loitering (even if based strictly on a hunch) and ask questions about whether or not he was. Just like I could do that, if I chose to. There are no laws against asking people questions, and you aren't allowed to intentionally place me in fear of physical harm for doing so (aggressive posturing, approaching with flailing arms while shouting and cursing angrily, etc.). That would be a crime.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by BobMt

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Oh probably not, but it gives a little insight into his 'personality'

what was he doing wrong in the video that warranted the police talking to him.....bob

Loitering.

The video gives insight into his level of respect for lawful authority and his quickness to rage and to engage in threatening behavior. If he would behave that threateningly to a police officer, what might he do if challenged by a regular Joe or Jane?

It's a public park.

That's the whole purpose of a public park.

Not at all. Parks exist to give cops the opportunity to profile, harass, arrest, bully and generally raise hell with black people. You know that.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by mirage243

More and more evidence that he was a thievin' little jigger, errr I mean jogger. I don't feel sorry for the little mother fugger, people get tired of these joggers stealing their sheit. Another little Trayvon, Michael, Dindunuffin. Fuqk Him

Bravo. At least you are bold about your anti-Americanism.

Yea, honesty and not thievin' sheit from people is very Anti-Amercian. You are the dumbest fuqk on the Fire.

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by mirage243

More and more evidence that he was a thievin' little jigger, errr I mean jogger. I don't feel sorry for the little mother fugger, people get tired of these joggers stealing their sheit. Another little Trayvon, Michael, Dindunuffin. Fuqk Him

Bravo. At least you are bold about your anti-Americanism.

Yea, honesty and not thievin' sheit from people is very Anti-Amercian. You are the dumbest fuqk on the Fire.

We've already established that nothign was theived and the jogger was carrying nothing. So, in terms of dumbest fuqk, you have me beat by miles.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

We've already established that nothign was theived and the jogger was carrying nothing. So, in terms of dumbest fuqk, you have me beat by miles.

You really know he wasn't a jogger, right? You're just pretending not to know that, right?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

We've already established that nothign was theived and the jogger was carrying nothing. So, in terms of dumbest fuqk, you have me beat by miles.

You really know he wasn't a jogger, right? You're just pretending not to know that, right?

You know he actually was a jogger. The video has him jogging. And where was all the loot? $2500 of fishing poles doesn't fit in his pocket.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

It's a public park.

That's the whole purpose of a public park.

I didn't say he was loitering (hanging out in a public place for an unlawful purpose). I said the cop has a right to approach someone he thinks might be loitering (even if based strictly on a hunch) and ask questions about whether or not he was. Just like I could do that, if I chose to. There are no laws against asking people questions, and you aren't allowed to intentionally place me in fear of physical harm for doing so (aggressive posturing, approaching with flailing arms while shouting and cursing angrily, etc.). That would be a crime.

loitering
verb
gerund or present participle: loitering
stand or wait around idly or without apparent purpose.
"she saw Mary loitering near the cloakrooms"

There's no implied unlawful purpose in the term loitering, that's something you decided to add.

As for cops just approaching someone to ask questions, as Dave has said you might want to brush up on the requirement of reasonable suspension for police to initiate an investigation.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

The video has him jogging.

All of the videos do. He looks like a jogger, sounds like a jogger, acts like a jogger. No doubt he is a jogger.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

The video has him jogging.

All of the videos do. He looks like a jogger, sounds like a jogger, acts like a jogger. No doubt he is a jogger.

the The_Real_Hawkeye knows that he wasn't. I love how you guys know all this stuff. So cool be so full of knowledge like that.

LMAO!

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

loitering
verb
gerund or present participle: loitering
stand or wait around idly or without apparent purpose.
"she saw Mary loitering near the cloakrooms"

There's no implied unlawful purpose in the term loitering, that's something you decided to add.

As for cops just approaching someone to ask questions, as Dave has said you might want to brush up on the requirement of reasonable suspension for police to initiate an investigation.

You don't find definitions to legal terms of art in standard dictionaries.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

I love how you guys know all this stuff.

I’m happy to answer any questions you may have, as well as help you find a resource for things outside my areas of expertise.

Jogging or walking is a perfect cover for casing out a place or seeing if some lonely female wants to strike up a conversation or if you're a child molester. When I was in the LSU law enforcement academy back in 1981 I remember there was a certain type of sexual assault/murder that was always the neighborhood "walker". I don't blame anyone for being suspicious of strangers on foot. As I've said before, he was probably up to no good but the way those white boys handled it was a total screwup.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

I love how you guys know all this stuff.

I’m happy to answer any questions you may have, as well as help you find a resource for things outside my areas of expertise.

Well, please tell us what each of the participants in this little dust up was thinking immediately prior to their joint encounter. You know, a little omniscience goes a long ways.

Originally Posted by Hastings

Jogging or walking is a perfect cover for casing out a place or seeing if some lonely female wants to strike up a conversation or if you're a child molester. When I was in the LSU law enforcement academy back in 1981 I remember there was a certain type of sexual assault/murder that was always the neighborhood "walker". I don't blame anyone for being suspicious of strangers on foot. As I've said before, he was probably up to no good but the way those white boys handled it was a total screwup.

Pushing a pram with a real live baby is even better for "casing out a place." Joggers jog and its hard to case when running.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Well, please tell us what each of the participants in this little dust up was thinking immediately prior to their joint encounter.

Obviously I can’t know that, no one can.

Even the people involved can only know what they were thinking but not any of the others. On top of that their ability of even the living to accurately recall thoughts from that long ago is suspect.

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Well, please tell us what each of the participants in this little dust up was thinking immediately prior to their joint encounter.

Obviously I can’t know that, no one can.

Even the people involved can only know what they were thinking but not any of the others. On top of that their ability of even the living to accurately recall thoughts from that long ago is suspect.

Well, golly, Hastings knows he was casing the joint. So, obviously, this can be done. I thought you could answer ANY question.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Pushing a pram with a real live baby is even better for "casing out a place." Joggers jog and its hard to case when running.

Wrong. Besides I have seen film of his walking prior to being scared away by the man across the street. And he sure wasn't running inside the house. I'm not taking up for the white boys but just saying it is a good idea to watch out for what a walking or jogging stranger may be up to. You know, neighborhood watch. You reckon I might get some hostile attention if I were go on a pedestrian tour of the burned out sections of Detroit or public housing in Chicago or New Orleans?

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Pushing a pram with a real live baby is even better for "casing out a place." Joggers jog and its hard to case when running.

Wrong. Besides I have seen film of his walking prior to being scared away by the man across the street. And he sure wasn't running inside the house. I'm not taking up for the white boys but just saying it is a good idea to watch out for what a walking or jogging stranger may be up to. You know, neighborhood watch. You reckon I might get some hostile attention if I were go on a pedestrian tour of the burned out sections of Detroit or public housing in Chicago or New Orleans?

There are lots of jog-walk routines out there. I always thought they were conditioning strategies and never realized they were really "casing" strategies. Is "casing" a crime, BTW?

Where is this video of him walking and being shooed away by the neighbor. Share the link, please.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

There are lots of jog-walk routines out there.

Yes exactly.

Here is one: https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1589867275423.webm

This couple was obviously out for a nighttime jog and looks like maybe she made a wrong turn. The jogger with her helpfully pointed her back to the right path. Very common behavior when one of the partners is a jogger.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Pushing a pram with a real live baby is even better for "casing out a place." Joggers jog and its hard to case when running.

Wrong. Besides I have seen film of his walking prior to being scared away by the man across the street. And he sure wasn't running inside the house. I'm not taking up for the white boys but just saying it is a good idea to watch out for what a walking or jogging stranger may be up to. You know, neighborhood watch. You reckon I might get some hostile attention if I were go on a pedestrian tour of the burned out sections of Detroit or public housing in Chicago or New Orleans?

There are lots of jog-walk routines out there. I always thought they were conditioning strategies and never realized they were really "casing" strategies. Is "casing" a crime, BTW?

Where is this video of him walking and being shooed away by the neighbor. Share the link, please.

I don't know how to share a link but the Atlanta Journal AJC has a video that shows Mr. Arbery walking onto the property and into the house and then an interested neighbor from across the road walks out to the road. Probably the first one that called police. No audio but Arbery comes out sees the man and takes off at a run down the street. People cruise neighborhoods on foot all the time for all kinds of reasons. Casing for purposes of recon for coming back to steal is an unprovable crime but it is always good to let strangers know they are being watched. Not a good idea to chase one down and get into a life and death struggle over a weapon. We were taught that weapon retention was to be done at all costs. That's why I carry well concealed and don't brandish. Jr. was absolutely fighting for his life in trying to retain his weapon but I believe he will be faulted for starting this encounter.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Quote

Arbery ran, and police chased and arrested him.

A second officer arrived shortly and forced Arbery to his knees with the threat of his Taser.

Arbery tried to stand up as he argued about whether he had done anything. The officer handcuffed Arbery face-down on the asphalt.

Arbery and Travis McMichael struggle. Several shots ring out. Arbery takes a few final steps, then collapses.

All different incidents.......

Anyone see any trends?

Same link

Again, nobody is claiming Arbery was an angel.

But where is the proof, which could gain a court conviction, that Arbery committed any crime in the last year. Where is the evidence that Arbery committed any felony on the day he died. McMichaels was unable to articulate such evidence during his 911 call to the Police on the day of the killing. Despite being asked multiple times by dispatch, "What is he doing wrong?" McMichaels was unable to give any answer.

That should have been a clue it was time to disengage and hope the jogger did not press charges against him for chasing him down the street with a truck.

TRH, there are many ways in which to carry a shotgun on the street. Most of us with any smarts at all keep it in a case. So we do not frighten the snowflakes.

Or you can hold the shotgun in one hand, whistling as you go toward or from the gunshop, with the muzzle pointed directly at the ground.

No reasonable man would feel threatened by your presence.

Or you could have just been racing around the streets in your pickup truck trying to corner some dude. And then when you get him worn down enough that you think he will be easy to handle, you can jump out of your truck barking orders and holding the shotgun at port arms, or as any would recognize, a ready position.

Any reasonable man would, at that point, believe his life to be in danger.

And at that point any reasonable jurist would convict you of menacing, brandishing, using a firearm in the commission of a crime, and yes assault, as you displayed the intention and the capability of inflicting lethal force upon another.

Now, you are guilty of a felony. And as the aggressor, you have lost the right to claim self defense in your trial.

The courts and the public do have the McMichaels on video tape committing the felony of assault. And that makes the death of Arbery murder. As any reasonable person should have foreseen that as a likely outcome of their actions.

Again, just like the armed robber in the liquor store, C store, or bank. He will claim he never had the intention to kill anyone. But any reasonable man would have foreseen that as a likely outcome of using a weapon in the commission of a crime.

The right to open carry does not equal the right to menace, pursue, brandish, detain, threaten, or assault.

Hell, not very long ago you told us all how threatened you felt just because some person looked at you as he drove past in a pickup. Just imagine how you would have felt if he had slammed on the brakes, started making demands, and was holding a shotgun at the ready.

Would you have used lethal force to defend yourself at that point. Or would you have cowered, put yourself in a defenseless position, and hoped he had no actual ill intent toward you.

Or was your situation different because the guy in the pickup was actually a "jogger" while you on the ground were not a "jogger"?

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by JoeBob

Give me a link to that statement.

I like you and everyone here rely on what
News reports have said.

here however are the exact words from a pdf file
of the email correspondence by DA Barnhill
to Cpt. Tom Jump Glynn County (23 Feb.)
based on what Mcmichael reportedly gave in
his statement.

Quote]..
[i]
"It appears Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael, and Bryan William
were following, in hot pursuit, a burglary suspect,
with solid first hand probable cause,in their neighborhood,
and asking/telling him to stop.It appears their intent was to stop
and hold this criminal suspect until law enforcement arrived. "

(Barnhill also cites the statute he believes is applicable)
OCGA17-4 60 >>" A private person may arrest an offender if the offense
is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge.
If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting
to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”
.. Endquote]
*****
JB, You being an attorney, how about you provide your
source to support your baloney claim the McMichaels
only wanted to talk to Arbery ?

The video where they said it to him right before he tried to take a shotgun away from Travis.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by BobMt

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Oh probably not, but it gives a little insight into his 'personality'

what was he doing wrong in the video that warranted the police talking to him.....bob

Loitering.

The video gives insight into his level of respect for lawful authority and his quickness to rage and to engage in threatening behavior. If he would behave that threateningly to a police officer, what might he do if challenged by a regular Joe or Jane?

What would any of us do if challenged by a regular Joe or Jane. Should we all be killed for refusing to take orders from random people on the street.

Note: actual cops were able to deal with Arbery on multiple occasions and never found the need to kill him.

This does not make things look better for the McMichaels.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Oh probably not, but it gives a little insight into his 'personality'

Should people be murdered for personality?

Land of the free.....

Red herring. That's not the question. Knowledge of his disrespect for lawful authority, and quickness to rage and behave in a threatening manner is relevant to a claim that he was the aggressor in a self-defense shooting.

Again, you lose the right to claim self defense after you chase someone down with a motor vehicle and put said person in fear for his life. That makes you the aggressor.

This is not 1875 Georgia, Alabama, or Mississippi we are talking about anymore. The"jogger" is no longer required to answer "Yes Massa" or "No Massa". And folks are no longer allowed to lynch "Uppity Joggers"

Clearly, IS, we disagree on a host of interpretations of what went on here.

Come on 100 pages.

Originally Posted by mirage243

Come on 100 pages.

That's what I'm shooting for

Did anybody find the 4 minute video I keep hearing about?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Your lost dude.... you ever hear of freedom of speech or freedom of expression.

Nothing he did was illegal.

You dont understand your rights or the law.

I would have felt physically in jeopardy had I asked this guy what he was doing there (which I am allowed to do), and he reacted to me the way he did to the officer. You are not permitted to place others in reasonable fear of imminent physical harm for merely asking a question.

Nor were McMichaels allowed to place others at reasonable fear of imminent physical harm absent certain knowledge of a felony act. You Sir, have just made the case for the prosecution of McMichaels.

Because Arbery would have been expected, (as would any reasonable person) to feel at physical risk when the dudes chased him down in a pickup, and one of them jumped out barking orders with a shotgun in the ready position. Was not Arbery expected to fight for his life at that point?

Did not Arbery have as much right to feel threatened as you do?

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine

Oh probably not, but it gives a little insight into his 'personality'

Should people be murdered for personality?

Land of the free.....

Red herring. That's not the question. Knowledge of his disrespect for lawful authority, and quickness to rage and behave in a threatening manner is relevant to a claim that he was the aggressor in a self-defense shooting.

Again, you lose the right to claim self defense after you chase someone down with a motor vehicle and put said person in fear for his life. That makes you the aggressor.

This is not 1875 Georgia, Alabama, or Mississippi we are talking about anymore. The"jogger" is no longer required to answer "Yes Massa" or "No Massa". And folks are no longer allowed to lynch "Uppity Joggers"

Well said.

why do you all keep bringing this crap up?

What we have here is a split along the lines of fundamental world view. It reminds me of the public reaction to the OJ verdict. Each side saw it from completely conflicting perspectives. There was no point in debating it. Thomas Sowell wrote about this in his book A Conflict of Visions.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

It's a public park.

That's the whole purpose of a public park.

I didn't say he was loitering (hanging out in a public place for an unlawful purpose). I said the cop has a right to approach someone he thinks might be loitering (even if based strictly on a hunch) and ask questions about whether or not he was. Just like I could do that, if I chose to. There are no laws against asking people questions, and you aren't allowed to intentionally place me in fear of physical harm for doing so (aggressive posturing, approaching with flailing arms while shouting and cursing angrily, etc.). That would be a crime.

And if you personally choose to make a habit out of harassing innocent people in public places in the manner you describe, you better be prepared for a few black eyes, bloody noses, and perhaps even the need to use that CCW you carry.

And again, since you would be the aggressor, invading peoples' personal space, asking demanding questions, not complying when said person told you to Fug Off and leave them alone, you would be the instigator. The one guilty of a criminal act.

Originally Posted by deflave

Did anybody find the 4 minute video I keep hearing about?

The one of him joggin', or stealing sheit? 😁😁

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by deflave

Did anybody find the 4 minute video I keep hearing about?

The one of him joggin', or stealing sheit? 😁😁

I was under the impression that there was a longer version of his running down the road and that there was more than one encounter between Aubery and the McMichaels.

But all I've been able to find is the shorter 30 second or so version.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

And if you personally choose to make a habit out of harassing innocent people in public places in the manner you describe, you better be prepared for a few black eyes, bloody noses, and perhaps even the need to use that CCW you carry.

And again, since you would be the aggressor, invading peoples' personal space, asking demanding questions, not complying when said person told you to Fug Off and leave them alone, you would be the instigator. The one guilty of a criminal act.

That's all your creation. I suggested nothing of the sort.

Originally Posted by deflave

That edited videos shows:

1.) A consensual encounter between subject and primary officer
2.) Subject compliant
3.) Subject detained
4.) Subject becoming belligerent while still adhering to voice commands given by the officer
5.) Subject continuing to adhere to voice commands given by an officer
6.) Officer advising subject he has no wants or warrants
7.) Second officer's (failed) attempt to escalate the level of force
8.) Primary officer advising secondary that the subject is unarmed
9.) Arrival of supervisor on scene
10.) No arrest made

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Pushing a pram with a real live baby is even better for "casing out a place." Joggers jog and its hard to case when running.

Wrong. Besides I have seen film of his walking prior to being scared away by the man across the street. And he sure wasn't running inside the house. I'm not taking up for the white boys but just saying it is a good idea to watch out for what a walking or jogging stranger may be up to. You know, neighborhood watch. You reckon I might get some hostile attention if I were go on a pedestrian tour of the burned out sections of Detroit or public housing in Chicago or New Orleans?

Yes, if you see someone acting suspiciously in your neighbor hood, the appropriate response would be to walk out with a camera. Take a few pics. Holler at the person "I see you". Call the cops.

It is not to chase him through the streets with a motor vehicle and shoot him dead.

Originally Posted by Hubert

why do you all keep bringing this crap up?

Only up to 83 pages the way my machine is set up.

when they get to 100 I'll wonder why also.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

It is not to chase him through the streets with a motor vehicle and shoot him dead.

That's your leftist inspired characterization of what happened.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

It is not to chase him through the streets with a motor vehicle and shoot him dead.

That's your leftist inspired characterization of what happened.

Actually. It's just a fact

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Clearly, IS, we disagree on a host of interpretations of what went on here.

Like the 14th Amendment extending Constitutional rights to blacks?

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

It is not to chase him through the streets with a motor vehicle and shoot him dead.

That's your leftist inspired characterization of what happened.

Actually. It's just a fact

And leaves out all sorts of relevant facts, such as a known burglary suspect attempting to snatch a loaded shotgun from him immediately prior to the shooting.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

And if you personally choose to make a habit out of harassing innocent people in public places in the manner you describe, you better be prepared for a few black eyes, bloody noses, and perhaps even the need to use that CCW you carry.

And again, since you would be the aggressor, invading peoples' personal space, asking demanding questions, not complying when said person told you to Fug Off and leave them alone, you would be the instigator. The one guilty of a criminal act.

That's all your creation. I suggested nothing of the sort.

You absolutely did. You explicitly stated your right to question private citizens in public places.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

I would have felt physically in jeopardy had I asked this guy what he was doing there (which I am allowed to do), and he reacted to me the way he did to the officer. You are not permitted to place others in reasonable fear of imminent physical harm for merely asking a question.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Clearly, IS, we disagree on a host of interpretations of what went on here.

Like the 14th Amendment extending Constitutional rights to blacks?

That question is nonsense without context. What are you suggesting that I proposed that violates any of his rights (incorporated to the states, from the Bill of Rights, via the Fourteenth Amendment's due process clause)?

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

You explicitly stated your right to question private citizens in public places.

I certainly did. That's quite distinct from what you imputed to me, however. Are you suggesting that it would be a crime for me to ask someone a question? Are you suggesting that violence, or the non-verbal imminent threat thereof, would be a lawful response to my asking a question? It isn't.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

And leaves out all sorts of relevant facts, such as a known burglary suspect attempting to snatch a loaded shotgun from him immediately prior to the shooting.

And you are leaving out all sorts of relevant facts which have actual legal bearing on the case.

Such as: McMichaels had nothing to prove Arbery was guilty of any burglary. They did not witness nor had knowledge of any crime, other than a possible trespass.

The use of the term "known burglary suspect" will not even be allowed in the courtroom. Facts not in evidence!

And you leave out that Arbery was attempting to disarm an aggressor because of a reasonable fear for his life.

200 pages on my iPad. This calls for a drink...too bad I quit alcohol.

Still not enough evidence to decide anything other than the guy is dead.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

You explicitly stated your right to question private citizens in public places.

I certainly did. That's quite distinct from what you imputed to me, however. Are you suggesting that it would be a crime for me to ask someone a question? Are you suggesting that violence, or the non-verbal imminent threat thereof, would be a lawful response to my asking a question? It isn't.

I am suggesting that most reasonable people would tell you to "FUGG OFF. What I do is none of your business. Get out of my face!"

And that if you do anything other than turn and move along, the most reasonable of persons will become irritated with you and will commence to move you along.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

You explicitly stated your right to question private citizens in public places.

I certainly did. That's quite distinct from what you imputed to me, however. Are you suggesting that it would be a crime for me to ask someone a question? Are you suggesting that violence, or the non-verbal imminent threat thereof, would be a lawful response to my asking a question? It isn't.

I am suggesting that most reasonable people would tell you to "FUGG OFF. What I do is none of your business. Get out of my face!"

And that if you do anything other than turn and move along, the most reasonable of persons will become irritated with you and will commence to move you along.

Nope. Not lawful to "move someone along" in a public space for asking a question. You can ignore that person, or tell them to buzz off, but if it's a public space, both people have a right to be there. If you're annoyed by my question, you have a lawful right to leave, stay and ignore me, or converse with me, but you have no right to respond with violence or threat's of imminent violence, either verbally or non-verbally.

Originally Posted by plainsman456

Still not enough evidence to decide anything other than the guy is dead.

are we even sure of that? After all, this is probably just a hoax by Biden and Hillary in cahoots with the MSM. No?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

What we have here is a split along the lines of fundamental world view. It reminds me of the public reaction to the OJ verdict. Each side saw it from completely conflicting perspectives. There was no point in debating it. Thomas Sowell wrote about this in his book A Conflict of Visions.

Yes you are right. My world view is that we have a code of law and judicial process for a reason. That reason is that we no longer have a place for lynch mobs or vigilante justice in our society.

Each man should have the foresight to see the likely consequences of his personal choices. Failing that he should have the nuts to stand up for his mistakes and take his dues as meted out by the courts.

Boggles the imagination that folks can't see that everywhere there are super high crime areas, they are infested with Nike's and Joggers. We need to make running down the street and tennis shoes against the law.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

You explicitly stated your right to question private citizens in public places.

I certainly did. That's quite distinct from what you imputed to me, however. Are you suggesting that it would be a crime for me to ask someone a question? Are you suggesting that violence, or the non-verbal imminent threat thereof, would be a lawful response to my asking a question? It isn't.

I am suggesting that most reasonable people would tell you to "FUGG OFF. What I do is none of your business. Get out of my face!"

And that if you do anything other than turn and move along, the most reasonable of persons will become irritated with you and will commence to move you along.

Nope. Not lawful to "move someone along" in a public space for asking a question. You can ignore that person, or tell them to buzz off, but if it's a public space, both people have a right to be there. If you're annoyed by my question, you have a lawful right to leave, stay and ignore me, or converse with me, but you have no right to respond with violence or threat's if imminent violence, either verbally or non-verbally.

Hahahahaahahahaha so brandishing weapons while pursuing someone isnt a threat of imminent violence?? Hahahahahahaha gosh darn your a retard hahahahaha

Originally Posted by mirage243

Boggles the imagination that folks can't see that everywhere there are super high crime areas, they are infested with Nike's and Joggers. We need to make running down the street and tennis shoes against the law.

What if they were wearing American made shoes? Would that be okay with you?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

You explicitly stated your right to question private citizens in public places.

I certainly did. That's quite distinct from what you imputed to me, however. Are you suggesting that it would be a crime for me to ask someone a question? Are you suggesting that violence, or the non-verbal imminent threat thereof, would be a lawful response to my asking a question? It isn't.

I am suggesting that most reasonable people would tell you to "FUGG OFF. What I do is none of your business. Get out of my face!"

And that if you do anything other than turn and move along, the most reasonable of persons will become irritated with you and will commence to move you along.

Nope. Not lawful to "move someone along" in a public space for asking a question. You can ignore that person, or tell them to buzz off, but if it's a public space, both people have a right to be there. If you're annoyed by my question, you have a lawful right to leave, stay and ignore me, or converse with me, but you have no right to respond with violence or threat's if imminent violence, either verbally or non-verbally.

Legal response or not, it is the inevitable outcome. And only a fool would fail to recognize the consequences of harassing folks in public places.

And really, what do you think the Cop is going to say when you call and complain about your bloody nose and bruised ego, and the other guy tells him "Hey, I told the jackass to get lost a dozen times. I told him to leave me alone. I told him to get out of my face. But he just kept pestering me. He did not seem to be rational. I was in fear for my safety and the safety of my 13 year old daughter."

The cops around here would ask you, "Have you learned you lesson? Are you going to go home and leave people alone now?"

Heck, they might even arrest you for "Loitering" or possibly "Vagrancy". That used to be a big one around here. If the cops did not like the looks of a guy, they would toss him in the joint overnight as a vagrant.

Originally Posted by plainsman456

Still not enough evidence to decide anything other than the guy is dead.

Is he?

Are we sure his family isn't just a bunch a characters actors with connections to Hollywood?

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by mirage243

Boggles the imagination that folks can't see that everywhere there are super high crime areas, they are infested with Nike's and Joggers. We need to make running down the street and tennis shoes against the law.

What if they were wearing American made shoes? Would that be okay with you?

I don't care if they're barefooted as long as they quit stealing and tearing up sheit. Why don't you move to East St Louis, or South Chicago. You'd really like it there.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Is he?

Are we sure his family isn't just a bunch a characters actors with connections to Hollywood?

Let's leave the Jews outta this one.

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by mirage243

Boggles the imagination that folks can't see that everywhere there are super high crime areas, they are infested with Nike's and Joggers. We need to make running down the street and tennis shoes against the law.

What if they were wearing American made shoes? Would that be okay with you?

I don't care if they're barefooted as long as they quit stealing and tearing up sheit. Why don't you move to East St Louis, or South Chicago. You'd really like it there.

Is that where you live? I shoulda guessed.

Are we all in agreement that a Kel-Tec P11 is adequate for Neighborhood Watch?

Originally Posted by NVhntr

Are we all in agreement that a Kel-Tec P11 is adequate for Neighborhood Watch?

Shotguns work to evidently. 😁

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

[.. You are not permitted to place others in reasonable fear of imminent physical harm

McMichaels & Co. using pickups to roadblock and brandish a firearm to falsely imprison a man would
amount to Arbery having such reasonable fear don't
ya think?

GA § 16-5-41 - False imprisonment = felony.

Kill someone during the action of a felony
and one is up for Felony Murder. (§ 16-5-1)
Felony murder is a legal statute that expands
the definition of murder and GA law does not
take into consideration whether the death
was intentional or accidental... Which means;
The defendant is liable for the death either way.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Hahahahaahahahaha so brandishing weapons while pursuing someone isnt a threat of imminent violence?? Hahahahahahaha gosh darn your a retard hahahahaha

You folks need to decide whether we're talking about the cop talking to him on video or the video of him attacking the man with the shotgun.

The principle doesn't change, but I was conversing with someone about the cop video.

Originally Posted by RatherBHuntin

As for the Dad in the back of the truck, he had no involvement in the struggle, so why would he have legal jeopardy.

Its not just about the struggle with Jnr.
Father and son were working together
in the action of committing a felony.

If one is directly involved in such felony
and the target person is killed, one also
earns the Felony murder charge.

You jokers need to pull up your pants and move along.

Have you guys seen the video of his interaction with the cops when they were talking to him near his car? This guy was gonna get shot by somebody sooner or later.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

The video gives insight into his level of respect for lawful authority..

Like anyone else LE need to earn respect.

what was their reasonable suspicion based on?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

...
It's a public park.

I said the cop has a right to approach someone he thinks might be loitering (even if based strictly on a hunch)...

unparticularized suspicion (or hunch) is insufficient
for reasonable suspicion.
LE require ~specific and articulable facts~

You seem to support LE going on fishing exercises.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

The video gives insight into his level of respect for lawful authority..

Like anyone else LE need to earn respect.

what was their reasonable suspicion based on?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

...
It's a public park.

I said the cop has a right to approach someone he thinks might be loitering (even if based strictly on a hunch)...

unparticularized suspicion (or hunch) is insufficient
for reasonable suspicion.
LE require ~specific and articulable facts~

Such as loitering in an area notorious for drugs. Illegally parking in area where no one has any reason to park? Wearing a heavy coat on a hot day? Nervous behavior when approached? Vehicle he was in obviously got there somehow yet he has a suspended license? Want more?

Fly, do you support TRH that a mere unparticularized
'hunch' is legally sufficient?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

I said the cop has a right to approach someone he thinks might be loitering (even if based strictly on a hunch)..

Originally Posted by Starman

Fly, do you support TRH that a mere unparticularized
'hunch' is legally sufficient?

Honestly, I pretty much gave up on this thread a while back and every now and then just check in to read a few posts so I’m not exactly sure what the interaction between the two of you is about.

My post was in support of the cops right to question him on that video where he almost got tased. He had plenty of articulable RS to question him. I’ll go one better and say that the only reason he walked away from that stop is because he (Jogger) is in a protected class so those cops where actually gun shy about escalating the situation.

If that had been you or me who had acted that way in that video with everything proceeding exactly the way it did, I can just about guarantee we would’ve been hauled off in cuffs and the car would’ve been towed.

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

Have you guys seen the video of his interaction with the cops when they were talking to him near his car? This guy was gonna get shot by somebody sooner or later.

Bingo!

Originally Posted by Starman

Fly, do you support TRH that a mere unparticularized
'hunch' is legally sufficient?

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

I said the cop has a right to approach someone he thinks might be loitering (even if based strictly on a hunch)..

To ask a question? Anyone is free to ask someone a question. You're confusing the standard for detaining someone with the standard for merely approaching and asking questions, which can be done merely on a hunch, or for no articulable reason whatsoever.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

To ask a question? Anyone is free to ask someone a question.

You said the approach by LE for suspicion
of loitering is justified even if based strictly
on a hunch... LoL.

When it comes to law you are dumber than
a bag of clam shells.

Meh it'll work itself out. Weather's pretty.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Hahahahaahahahaha so brandishing weapons while pursuing someone isnt a threat of imminent violence?? Hahahahahahaha gosh darn your a retard hahahahaha

You folks need to decide whether we're talking about the cop talking to him on video or the video of him attacking the man with the shotgun.

The principle doesn't change, but I was conversing with someone about the cop video.

No you do.... its not okay for Arbery to verbally act aggressive to you, as that portrays an imminent threat of danger...

However you think its okay for the McMichaels to chase him for 4minutes while brandishing firearms, which is an overly obvious imminent threat of danger.

Like I said, your a fugging retard.... its blatantly obvious you think rights are only afforded to white people, its okay for you to state as much. At least then your being honest.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

To ask a question? Anyone is free to ask someone a question.

You said the approach by LE for suspicion
of loitering is justified even if based strictly
on a hunch... LoL.

When it comes to law you are dumber than
a bag of clam shells.

To detain, he needs reasonable suspicion. To ask a question because he has a hunch based on th totality of the circumstances that might even be inarticulable, he needs not have reasonable suspicion. He can, in other words, have mere suspicion, falling below the reasonable suspicion standard.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Hahahahaahahahaha so brandishing weapons while pursuing someone isnt a threat of imminent violence?? Hahahahahahaha gosh darn your a retard hahahahaha

You folks need to decide whether we're talking about the cop talking to him on video or the video of him attacking the man with the shotgun.

The principle doesn't change, but I was conversing with someone about the cop video.

No you do.... its not okay for Arbery to verbally act aggressive to you, as that portrays an imminent threat of danger...

However you think its okay for the McMichaels to chase him for 4minutes while brandishing firearms, which is an overly obvious imminent threat of danger.

Like I said, your a fugging retard.... its blatantly obvious you think rights are only afforded to white people, its okay for you to state as much. At least then your being honest.

Do you have a link to the 4 minute video? I’ve only seen the short one

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

To ask a question? Anyone is free to ask someone a question.

You said the approach by LE for suspicion
of loitering is justified even if based strictly
on a hunch... LoL.

When it comes to law you are dumber than
a bag of clam shells.

To detain, he needs reasonable suspicion. To ask a question because he has a hunch based on th totality of the circumstances that might even be inarticulable, he needs not have reasonable suspicion. He can, in other words, have mere suspicion, falling below the reasonable suspicion standard.

And Arbery didnt need to comply, he didnt need to answer, he didnt need to show an ID... and he had every right to tell the cop to piss off.

Originally Posted by DeadHead

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Hahahahaahahahaha so brandishing weapons while pursuing someone isnt a threat of imminent violence?? Hahahahahahaha gosh darn your a retard hahahahaha

You folks need to decide whether we're talking about the cop talking to him on video or the video of him attacking the man with the shotgun.

The principle doesn't change, but I was conversing with someone about the cop video.

No you do.... its not okay for Arbery to verbally act aggressive to you, as that portrays an imminent threat of danger...

However you think its okay for the McMichaels to chase him for 4minutes while brandishing firearms, which is an overly obvious imminent threat of danger.

Like I said, your a fugging retard.... its blatantly obvious you think rights are only afforded to white people, its okay for you to state as much. At least then your being honest.

Do you have a link to the 4 minute video? I’ve only seen the short one

I do not, but both sides lawyers say the video is 4 mins of them chasing him. What that entails Im not sure.

4 minutes is a long time when someone is coming after you with a gun.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

To ask a question? Anyone is free to ask someone a question.

You said the approach by LE for suspicion
of loitering is justified even if based strictly
on a hunch... LoL.

When it comes to law you are dumber than
a bag of clam shells.

And he’s absolutely right. A cop can approach you and ask you anything he wants anytime for no reason whatsoever. It’s called a consensual encounter. You can tell him to fugg off and walk away if you want to and then he’s gonna need a reason to detain you but he doesn’t need one to approach you in the first place.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And Arbery didnt need to comply, he didnt need to answer, he didnt need to show an ID... and he had every right to tell the cop to piss off.

Unless or until he triggered reasonable suspicion, that is indeed the case. We don't know, however if or when reasonable suspicion was triggered, authorizing detainment.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And Arbery didnt need to comply, he didnt need to answer, he didnt need to show an ID... and he had every right to tell the cop to piss off.

Unless or until he triggered reasonable suspicion, that is indeed the case. We don't know, however if or when reasonable suspicion was triggered, authorizing detainment.

Indeed not the case, hence he didnt search the car... clueless.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

And Arbery didnt need to comply, he didnt need to answer, he didnt need to show an ID... and he had every right to tell the cop to piss off.

Unless or until he triggered reasonable suspicion, that is indeed the case. We don't know, however if or when reasonable suspicion was triggered, authorizing detainment.

Indeed not the case, hence he didnt search the car... clueless.

I haven't asserted that Arbery in fact triggered reasonable suspicion. I said the cop didn't need reasonable suspicion to merely ask him some questions. RS is required to detain, not to talk.

I don’t blame Arbery for being mad about be hassled by the cops in the park. It’s hard enough to find a quite place to conduct a little research on a cure for cancer without the cops showing up the frick with you.

,..didn't see this on the national news today.

https://breaking911.com/80-year-old-woman-stabbed-to-death-by-man-who-was-out-on-bond/

At least somebody sent it to youtube. It'll be taken down soon.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

,..didn't see this on the national news today.

https://breaking911.com/80-year-old-woman-stabbed-to-death-by-man-who-was-out-on-bond/

So, what's your point?

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by Bristoe

,..didn't see this on the national news today.

https://breaking911.com/80-year-old-woman-stabbed-to-death-by-man-who-was-out-on-bond/

So, what's your point?

My point is, white on black murders get huge coverage on the national news.

Black on white murders get none.

Thanks for asking.

Bristoe - how come it took two months to hit the national news? Could it have been the video proved the good ole’ boy network in GA is alive and well, and thats what the outrage is about? It couldn’t be a DA who has strong ties to the killers helped sweep it under the rug, no, couldnt be that huh?

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Bristoe - how come it took two months to hit the national news? Could it have been the video proved the good ole’ boy network in GA is alive and well, and thats what the outrage is about? It couldn’t be a DA who has strong ties to the killers helped sweep it under the rug, no, couldnt be that huh?

No,..it's not that.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

We don't know, however if or when reasonable suspicion was triggered, authorizing detainment.

Was Arbery free to go and refuse the frisk for weapons?

For stop and frisk to be considered legal, the officer must have
a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been, is, or is about to
be committed.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

,..didn't see this on the national news today.

https://breaking911.com/80-year-old-woman-stabbed-to-death-by-man-who-was-out-on-bond/

Could have been Obama's son.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by Bristoe

,..didn't see this on the national news today.

https://breaking911.com/80-year-old-woman-stabbed-to-death-by-man-who-was-out-on-bond/

So, what's your point?

My point is, white on black murders get huge coverage on the national news.

Black on white murders get none.

Thanks for asking.

Not all murders are created equal. This is way too far above your bigoted mind to grasp. We understand.

So, since Ahmaud was caught shoplifting a TV.....and his probation was then revoked........concerning the firearm possession at a school.......

Was Arbery a convicted felon?

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

We don't know, however if or when reasonable suspicion was triggered, authorizing detainment.

Was Arbery free to go and refuse the frisk for weapons?

For stop and frisk to be considered legal, the officer must have
a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been, is, or is about to
be committed.

Right. On that point, we don't know. I don't. Cop could have had reasonable suspicion, or he could not have. If the latter, then he was wrong to the extent he took it past merely asking questions. But I don't know. He may well have had an articulable reasonable belief that Arbery might be involved in a crime.

This is looking more and more like a typical city bluegum was out looking for something and found more than he wanted. If someone was chasing me for 4 minutes I surely wouldn't be running down the middle of the road. But there's no question the white guys had no business getting out of their truck and screwing with the black guy.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans aka Leroy Ass-hole

So, what's your point?

A picture is worth a thousand words.
[Linked Image from breaking911.com]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

We don't know, however if or when reasonable suspicion was triggered, authorizing detainment.

Was Arbery free to go and refuse the frisk for weapons?

For stop and frisk to be considered legal, the officer must have
a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been, is, or is about to
be committed.

Right. On that point, we don't know. I don't. Cop could have had reasonable suspicion, or he could not have. If the latter, then he was wrong to the extent he took it past merely asking questions. But I don't know. He may well have had an articulable reasonable belief that Arbery might be involved in a crime.

The cop was behaving like a cop in a small town of 16,000 that's 55% black with a crime rate that's twice the national average,..and in recent history was as much as 4X the national average.

Quite the schitthole for a small town.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Brunswick-Georgia.html

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

To ask a question? Anyone is free to ask someone a question.

So you agree with gov. Jackboots going around interrogating citizens
based on mere hunches?

Should LE be hassling people with their desperate
attempt fishing exercises?

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

We don't know, however if or when reasonable suspicion was triggered, authorizing detainment.

Was Arbery free to go and refuse the frisk for weapons?

For stop and frisk to be considered legal, the officer must have
a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been, is, or is about to
be committed.

Right. On that point, we don't know. I don't. Cop could have had reasonable suspicion, or he could not have. If the latter, then he was wrong to the extent he took it past merely asking questions. But I don't know. He may well have had an articulable reasonable belief that Arbery might be involved in a crime.

The cop was behaving like a cop in a small town of 16,000 that's 55% black with a crime rate that's twice the national average,..and in recent history was as much as 4X the national average.

Quite the schitthole for a small town.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Brunswick-Georgia.html

As I explained before, he had more than enough RS to conduct his investigation. He didn’t develop PC for an arrest merely because he didn’t want to follow though with it. Probably because it was more trouble than it was worth so he wisely choose to just let it go. But again as previously stated, had that been one of us who had acted that way, under those same circumstances, we would have been on our way downtown with a nice shiny new pair of bracelets behind our backs.

It’s overblown reactions like this to that encounter with the cop in the park, that falsely suggest there’s a massive conspiracy by all white cops to hassle innocent blacks, that embolden these criminals to act like savages instead of human beings. Which I think is precisely why on many occasions they get shot in situations where a reasonable, thinking person would most likely just end up walking away.

These two idiots in question may have been wrong and may well end up in prison. But based on everything I’ve seen and read so far, the dead jogger is every bit as complicit in his own death through his own violent tendencies.

That’s my opinion, YMMV...

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

To ask a question? Anyone is free to ask someone a question.

So you agree with gov. Jackboots going around interrogating citizens
based on mere hunches?

Should LE be hassling people with their desperate
attempt fishing exercises?

Depends on the location. Rough towns have rough cops.

If the cops in Brunswick Georgia weren't rough it would still have a crime rate that's 4X the national average instead of just 2X the national average.

Full video from 2017 - din do nuffin' . . . Those short two minute videos all the liberal fake media are using to try and make Ahmaud look like the gentle giant Michael Brown, both obviously Rhodes Scholars . . . This full video is much more descriptive of who he was.

This video breaks down the facts so far, and makes it easy on you with the lower aptitudes, whom are struggling understanding the outrage as well as what happened...

Originally Posted by OrangeOkie

Full video from 2017 - din do nuffin' . . . Those short two minute videos all the liberal fake media are using to try and make Ahmaud look like the gentle giant Michael Brown, both obviously Rhodes Scholars . . . This full video is much more descriptive of who he was.

You probably dont realize how many “wrongs” that officer did in the first few minutes do you???

Such an even keeled young man.

Outstanding young man

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

This video breaks down the facts so far, and makes it easy on you with the lower aptitudes, whom are struggling understanding the outrage as well as what happened...

I ain't outraged, I don't GAF what happens to little mf'ers like him.

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

This video breaks down the facts so far, and makes it easy on you with the lower aptitudes, whom are struggling understanding the outrage as well as what happened...

I ain't outraged, I don't GAF what happens to little mf'ers like him.

Of course you don't. You only care about yourself. But that's hardly news here.

Latest video....

Plates expired. Ahmaud wasn’t too bright, whatever he was up to.

Also, didn’t he say “my wife ain’t here, so just chillin’?”

Ahmaud had a wife?

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

You only care about yourself.

People like you always think this way. You think it is better, more compassionate, to tolerate the sort of behavior you’ve seen in several of these videos because doing otherwise is either racist, or encourages a police state, or steps on someone’s freedom, or some similar thing.

But you are wrong. More tolerance breeds more of the behavior being tolerated. These joggers have repeatedly shown that they cannot govern themselves, and thinking like yours has allowed their cultural degeneration that you see in all of these clips.

You are the ones leaving joggers worse off than they were the day before.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

This video breaks down the facts so far, and makes it easy on you with the lower aptitudes, whom are struggling understanding the outrage as well as what happened...

How would the Fire ever survive without you lifting it back in place, using your superior intelligence.

You so smaht.

Originally Posted by local_dirt

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

This video breaks down the facts so far, and makes it easy on you with the lower aptitudes, whom are struggling understanding the outrage as well as what happened...

How would the Fire ever survive without you lifting it back in place, using your superior intelligence.

You so smaht.

Hey look, its positive patty!!!

Start listening at 32 minutes. Podcast

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by OrangeOkie

Full video from 2017 - din do nuffin' . . . Those short two minute videos all the liberal fake media are using to try and make Ahmaud look like the gentle giant Michael Brown, both obviously Rhodes Scholars . . . This full video is much more descriptive of who he was.

You probably dont realize how many “wrongs” that officer did in the first few minutes do you???

The cop's first mistake was not calling the fashion police for backup on the budding electrician/carpenter/jogger.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Start listening at 32 minutes. Podcast

According to the left, that sort of behavior is absolutely appropriate and acceptable for a black male. Not for anybody else though, god forbid a white man talk like that to a black person.

These fuggin lib dipschits don’t realize how stupid they actually are and that they are the actual reason for this stuff happening. They think they sound so intelligent and enlightened, when in reality they come off as exactly what they are to anyone with a modicum of common sense. Mouth breathing retards who can’t see the forest for the trees. They ignore truth and replace it with emotion. They think what people say is more important than what they actually do.

That’s how you end up with democrat supporters continually voting for the same politicians who run those schithole cities in perpetuity; despite the fact that those cities are Hell holes that never get better no matter how many promises those same politicians make.

Originally Posted by OrangeOkie

Full video from 2017 - din do nuffin' . . . Those short two minute videos all the liberal fake media are using to try and make Ahmaud look like the gentle giant Michael Brown, both obviously Rhodes Scholars . . . This full video is much more descriptive of who he was.

Yeah, if I recall, the original video skipped over where Ahmaud charged the cop for looking into his car's window. Definitely not the Boy Scout his momma (not to mention the totality of the MSM) makes out he was.

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Plates expired.

Destroys the narrative surrounding that video and any discussion of RS vs. PC, pat downs etc....

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Plates expired.

Destroys the narrative surrounding that video and any discussion of RS vs. PC, pat downs etc....

Doesn’t make a bit of difference to these dipschit enablers. He could’ve been out there in the middle of an active rape and they would fault the cop for interrupting him.

Originally Posted by OrangeOkie

Full video from 2017 - din do nuffin' . . . Those short two minute videos all the liberal fake media are using to try and make Ahmaud look like the gentle giant Michael Brown, both obviously Rhodes Scholars . . . This full video is much more descriptive of who he was.

That is a great video of a day in the life of a Cop.

But.... small town Cops don’t know who his is because he has no priors. This in a high crime town.

He’s jumpy because he’s driving on a suspended license and has weed in the car. Coulda been jerking off back there too, maybe he had something laughable in the car, he does mention his wife weren’t around, hadda be a reason he’s not parked where everyone else would.

He’s also a few sandwiches shy of a picnic, walks up on the lone Cop twice. Easy to see how that guy could get rattled and scared when chased down by two rednecks in a truck, regardless of his motives for running.

Originally Posted by OrangeOkie

Full video from 2017 - din do nuffin' . . . Those short two minute videos all the liberal fake media are using to try and make Ahmaud look like the gentle giant Michael Brown, both obviously Rhodes Scholars . . . This full video is much more descriptive of who he was.

Cop should have shot him right there.

So, it has been well demonstrated that Arbery was a piece of schitt. Hell if nothing else, he should have been shot for wearing his pants down around his knees.

But hey, if he accomplished nothing else in his life, his death will serve to expose the McMichaels for also being POS. Because there has still been nothing shown which gives the McMichaels any justification for pursuing Arbery through the streets and then killing him.

I mean, unless Georgia has opened season on dirt bags, and the McMichaels had the proper licenses and tags.

Otherwise it is poaching at best. And we know how the 'Fire Illuminati feel about poachers.

Which brings the questions, how do you determine a dirt bag legal for harvest? Is it "joggers" only? Is there a minimum on "horn" size? How do you take the measurement preharvest? If you get one, and the "horn" is too small, do you have to throw him back? Is there also a season on females? Or is it "bucks" only? Are the rules in the Georgia Hunting Synopsis?

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Because there has still been nothing shown which gives the McMichaels any justification for pursuing Arbery through the streets and then killing him.

That's your pro-dirt-bag interpretation of what happened. The pro-law-and-order interpretation is that two armed members of the neighborhood watch pursued a suspected burglar (suspected for very good reason) with the intention of keeping him there till the cops arrived, who had already been called. The suspected burglar (Arbery) went for one of their guns. A struggle ensued over the weapon (at this point the burglary suspect is considered, in the law, to be armed), whereupon the gun was fired into the attacker (Arbery), killing him.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

I mean, unless Georgia has opened season on dirt bags, and the McMichaels had the proper licenses and tags.

They don't currently have a season that I'm aware of, but when people finally get enough of this kind of sheit, there's gonna be a lot of out of season poaching.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

That's your pro-dirt-bag interpretation of what happened. The pro-law-and-order interpretation is that two armed members of the neighborhood watch pursued a suspected burglar (suspected for very good reason) with the intention of keeping him there till the cops arrived, who had already been called. The suspected burglar (Arbery) went for one of their guns. A struggle ensued over the weapon (at this point the burglary suspect is considered, in the law, to be armed), whereupon the gun was fired into the attacker (Arbery), killing him.

UH, NO!
The pro law and order interpretation is that vigilante justice went extinct in the 19'th century. Except we know it actually did not. And every once in a while the perpetrators of such still get caught and have to pay the price for taking the law into their own hands.

I mean, come on TRH, show some statutory justification for what the McMichaels did. It has been rehashed on page after page.

The legal requirement is that they had to witness a felony in progress. They did not.

They SUSPECTED Arbery was a burglar. They had no proof. There was nothing there which even a cop could have made an arrest on and certainly nothing which could have gotten a conviction.

McMichaels are toast, probably both of them. Stupid ought to hurt!

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

I mean, unless Georgia has opened season on dirt bags, and the McMichaels had the proper licenses and tags.

They don't currently have a season that I'm aware of, but when people finally get enough of this kind of sheit, there's gonna be a lot of out of season poaching.

What do you mean "finally"?

Folks have been lynching "joggers" since the Emancipation Proclamation" and their value at the auction block went to $zero.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Otherwise it is poaching at best.

While I too am pro-accelerationist, I think the jogger issue is well enough along in enough areas that allowing it to move further along serves no purpose.

The inner cities abandoned by the boomers during their flight from the joggers are now being resettled. That alone provides plenty of content for redpilling.

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

The pro law and order interpretation

You are correct about the first one, wrong on the second. Laws do not necessarily deliver order, and your interpretation is exclusively pro-law.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=RD9efgLHgsBmM&feature=share&playnext=1

Originally Posted by Stickfight

Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

The pro law and order interpretation

You are correct about the first one, wrong on the second. Laws do not necessarily deliver order, and your interpretation is exclusively pro-law.

Yes, you are correct in many ways with that assessment.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by OrangeOkie

Full video from 2017 - din do nuffin' . . . Those short two minute videos all the liberal fake media are using to try and make Ahmaud look like the gentle giant Michael Brown, both obviously Rhodes Scholars . . . This full video is much more descriptive of who he was.

Cop should have shot him right there.

We wouldn't be at 104 pages if he did!

One of the boys I work with said. “ The only good Trayvon Martin is a dead Trayvon Martin”.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by local_dirt

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

This video breaks down the facts so far, and makes it easy on you with the lower aptitudes, whom are struggling understanding the outrage as well as what happened...

How would the Fire ever survive without you lifting it back in place, using your superior intelligence.

You so smaht.

Hey look, its positive patty!!!

Yep. And you pencil me in as the picture of (in)tolerance, too.. while you're at it.

Laughing.

“Technically, your license is suspended.”

“Technically, you cannot drive the car.”

My mistake......... thought just license plate expiration after first review of video.

Police officers could have easily let him move his car, but they cut him a break with notification.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER

Plates expired.

Destroys the narrative surrounding that video and any discussion of RS vs. PC, pat downs etc....

Originally Posted by local_dirt

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by local_dirt

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

This video breaks down the facts so far, and makes it easy on you with the lower aptitudes, whom are struggling understanding the outrage as well as what happened...

How would the Fire ever survive without you lifting it back in place, using your superior intelligence.

You so smaht.

Hey look, its positive patty!!!

Yep. And you pencil me in as the picture of (in)tolerance, too.. while you're at it.

Laughing.

Though Im flattered you follow me digitally from thread to thread trying to rassle me... i like chicks bro, so unless you tape and tuck really well, I have 0 interest....

I know how you south florida boys are and all, too much sun I guess... but I just dont swing that way my man.

So strike my interest for your intolerance as nill... i do find you being stupid as [bleep] to not understand I give a rats ass about his race, or his criminal past as rather humorous.... Im just pointing out the two white dudes murdered him, its overly obvious.

So... carry on with your flirting, or not... either way...

Originally Posted by add

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by OrangeOkie

Full video from 2017 - din do nuffin' . . . Those short two minute videos all the liberal fake media are using to try and make Ahmaud look like the gentle giant Michael Brown, both obviously Rhodes Scholars . . . This full video is much more descriptive of who he was.

Cop should have shot him right there.

We wouldn't be at 104 pages if he did!

If Obama had a son, that could of have been him.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

The pro-law-and-order interpretation is that two armed members of the neighborhood watch pursued a suspected burglar (suspected for very good reason) with the intention of keeping him there till the cops arrived,...

The PRO law-order interpretation by actual LE
Investigators on the day and GBI months later
both say there was no legal justification for
a citizens arrest.

The fact TRH don't mind low IQ jackboot butt-sniffn'
cops on fishing exercises interrogating citizens
says a lot.

TRH likes having a system of Gov. Big bro
intrusion and snooping to keep him safe.

IF cops followed TRH everywhere he went
and parked outside his home everyday, thats
about as safe as you can be.. unless you invite
them into your home for that xtra peace of mind.

Originally Posted by Dryfly24

..

Doesn’t make a bit of difference to these dipschit enablers.

Talking about dipschit enablers,
how is it that the 90% 'good cops' can't erradicate
the azzholes and corrupt cops in their own house?

When cops are seen going off the rails or blatantly
violating citizens rights, cops don't band together
and call them out , on the contrary they close ranks
and employ their thug union.

,...wasn't on the national news.

https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/white-mar...k-male-angry-about-coronavirus-shutdown/

You're kinda fixated, ain't chya Bristie?

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

You're kinda fixated, ain't chya Bristie?

,...just reporting the news that gets passed over.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

You're kinda fixated, ain't chya Bristie?

,...just reporting the news that gets passed over.

Doesn't look like it was passed over at all. If it was, you wouldn't have anything to post.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

You're kinda fixated, ain't chya Bristie?

Yo Leroy . . . . . . . . . . . Ain't you got some antique farm equipment to be tending to?

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

You're kinda fixated, ain't chya Bristie?

Yo Leroy . . . . . . . . . . . Ain't you got some antique farm equipment to be tending to?

I do. An 8n, just like Bristie.

But she be running just fine.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

You're kinda fixated, ain't chya Bristie?

,...just reporting the news that gets passed over.

Doesn't look like it was passed over at all. If it was, you wouldn't have anything to post.

It's just a reminder of the reality of the situation in America.

It's for the children.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

You're kinda fixated, ain't chya Bristie?

Yo Leroy . . . . . . . . . . . Ain't you got some antique farm equipment to be tending to?

I do. An 8n, just like Bristie.

But she be running just fine.

You don't know nuthin' about antique farm equipment, all the ones I ever seen wasn't wearing no Nike tires. 😁

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

You're kinda fixated, ain't chya Bristie?

Yo Leroy . . . . . . . . . . . Ain't you got some antique farm equipment to be tending to?

I do. An 8n, just like Bristie.

But she be running just fine.

You don't know nuthin' about antique farm equipment, all the ones I ever seen wasn't wearing no Nike tires. 😁

Joke's on you kid.

I got your kid.

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

You're kinda fixated, ain't chya Bristie?

Yo Leroy . . . . . . . . . . . Ain't you got some antique farm equipment to be tending to?

Leroy collects these:

[Linked Image from hips.hearstapps.com]

Originally Posted by mirage243

I got your kid.

Don't you wish. You don't have a clue is what you have.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by mirage243

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

You're kinda fixated, ain't chya Bristie?

Yo Leroy . . . . . . . . . . . Ain't you got some antique farm equipment to be tending to?

Leroy collects these:

[Linked Image from hips.hearstapps.com]

Er... building that thing WOULD be educational of course, chemical to heat to mechanical energy and alla that along with the design and engineering process and manufacturing....

but I think I'll pass on assigning one as a class project.

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by local_dirt

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Originally Posted by local_dirt

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

This video breaks down the facts so far, and makes it easy on you with the lower aptitudes, whom are struggling understanding the outrage as well as what happened...

How would the Fire ever survive without you lifting it back in place, using your superior intelligence.

You so smaht.

Hey look, its positive patty!!!

Yep. And you pencil me in as the picture of (in)tolerance, too.. while you're at it.

Laughing.

Though Im flattered you follow me digitally from thread to thread trying to rassle me... i like chicks bro, so unless you tape and tuck really well, I have 0 interest....

I know how you south florida boys are and all, too much sun I guess... but I just dont swing that way my man.

So strike my interest for your intolerance as nill... i do find you being stupid as [bleep] to not understand I give a rats ass about his race, or his criminal past as rather humorous.... Im just pointing out the two white dudes murdered him, its overly obvious.

So... carry on with your flirting, or not... either way...

Follow you? Laughing.

Nah. You're just a dried cat turd that turns up in the front lawn every now and then. Nothing more, "bro".

Videographer now charged.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ws...shooting-charged-with-murder-11590105178

The independent thinkers must be getting restless, with Ahmaud’s historical background being slowly released.

Originally Posted by AKwolverine

Videographer now charged.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ws...shooting-charged-with-murder-11590105178

Just saw that. WTF ??? Charged with Felony murder ???

Ahmaud Arbery case: Georgia man who recorded deadly shooting arrested on charges including felony murder

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ahmaud-a...ested-on-charges-including-felony-murder

Explore the Fox News apps that are right for you at http://www.foxnews.com/apps-products/index.html.

Anyone else besides me listen to the hearing today? More than a few of you should be eating the meal your being served....

Them boys going to jail for a very long time...

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Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Anyone else besides me listen to the hearing today? More than a few of you should be eating the meal your being served....

Them boys going to jail for a very long time...

Looks like a bird. I thought you only ate penises?

Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

Originally Posted by Ejp1234

Anyone else besides me listen to the hearing today? More than a few of you should be eating the meal your being served....

Them boys going to jail for a very long time...

Looks like a bird. I thought you only ate penises?

EJP does stand for EJaculating Penis, doesn't it?

Bahahaha

Exactly what I expected....

Originally Posted by chlinstructor

Originally Posted by AKwolverine

Videographer now charged.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ws...shooting-charged-with-murder-11590105178

Just saw that. WTF ??? Charged with Felony murder ???

Ahmaud Arbery case: Georgia man who recorded deadly shooting arrested on charges including felony murder

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ahmaud-a...ested-on-charges-including-felony-murder

Explore the Fox News apps that are right for you at http://www.foxnews.com/apps-products/index.html.

Why is that surprising?

The videographer had hit arbery with his truck, and its on camera lmao... his trucks dented in, and had part of arberys shirt in between the bed and bed liner hahahahaga

Sure... they just wanted to talk to him hahahahah

Watch the video of todays hearing. The GBI agent paints the picture clearly...

Those morons are fugged...

Does GA have a death penalty?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1232051

Looks like all 3 have been indicted.

Originally Posted by AKwolverine

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1232051

Looks like all 3 have been indicted.

Good. Maybe this will make a difference. Some folks here might think twice.

So has crime in that neighborhood gone up or down?

Ain’t felony murder possibly good news for the three? Doesn’t that mean a higher bar that the Prosecutor has to meet? More chance of an acquittal?

Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

Ain’t felony murder possibly good news for the three? Doesn’t that mean a higher bar that the Prosecutor has to meet? More chance of an acquittal?

Not a chance in hell they get a felony murder conviction on any of them. Book it.

Originally Posted by mirage243

Not a chance in hell they get a felony murder conviction on any of them. Book it.

Agreed, But if it had been a white victim and black shooter, it would be a done deal.

Update for MIKEWERNER.

https://www.wtoc.com/2022/01/07/sentencing-friday-3-men-convicted-arbery-death/

They are political prisoners. The politics of wokism.

A portion of the population doesn't think stealing is a crime

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

They are political prisoners. The politics of wokism.

Interesting assessment.

I didn't know this but just heard on a legal podcast that he was 4 miles from home and wearing jeans and boots when he was out" jogging"

There is video of the event, no jeans, no boots.

Originally Posted by hookeye

So has crime in that neighborhood gone up or down?

I've read more than one place that the neighborhood crimes and burglaries had stopped after this incident.

Originally Posted by ldholton

Originally Posted by hookeye

So has crime in that neighborhood gone up or down?

I've read more than one place that the neighborhood crimes and burglaries had stopped after this incident.

He was likely responsible for all of it.

Happy ending

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

He was likely responsible for all of it.

Maybe they should dig him up and shoot him again.

Originally Posted by hanco

Happy ending

I don’t imagine any of the four involved would agree.

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

He was likely responsible for all of it.

Maybe they should dig him up and shoot him again.

Laughing way too hard at this

Originally Posted by ribka

I didn't know this but just heard on a legal podcast that he was 4 miles from home and wearing jeans and boots when he was out" jogging"

I never wore anything but jeans and boots when running. And many times I was a hell of a lot further from home than four miles.

But usually the boots were covered in mud, the pants had traces of cow schitt, and I was running with an irrigation shovel in my hand.

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

He was likely responsible for all of it.

Maybe they should dig him up and shoot him again.

He shot himself.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by JeffA

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

He was likely responsible for all of it.

Maybe they should dig him up and shoot him again.

He shot himself.

That’s a stretch.
Even for you.

Originally Posted by AKwolverine

That’s a stretch.
Even for you.

He tried to snatch a gun that someone was lawfully carrying on his person. That's akin to suicide by cop.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by AKwolverine

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

He shot himself.

That’s a stretch.
Even for you.

He tried to snatch a gun that someone was lawfully carrying on his person. That's akin to suicide by cop.

Hear that?
It’s your logic stretching.

Update for MIKEWERNER.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/shooter-of-ahmaud-arbery-convicted-of-federal-hate-crime-11645544597

They already are going to do life in the state pen. What additional punishment can the Feds heap upon them?

George Orwell's 1984 has come true. Orwell talked of people prosecuted for their thoughts. Thought crimes. "Hate crimes" are thought crimes.

Originally Posted by simonkenton7

They already are going to do life in the state pen. What additional punishment can the Feds heap upon them?

Virtue signal WHILE wasting taxpayer dollars, that's like bonus double points for them.

Originally Posted by simonkenton7

They already are going to do life in the state pen. What additional punishment can the Feds heap upon them?

They have more charges to face in court yet to come.

Stacked life sentences will help considerably a few years down the road when they appeal their way out of their original charge of murder.

They are just being sure these bigots never see another day as free men.

Funny how every text message and internet post circled back and bit them in the azz in court, fools abound.

Hope pops is really proud of what he got his son into.

I’m sure the burglary’s stopped after. Only because the actor was dead

Originally Posted by AKwolverine

Update for MIKEWERNER.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/shooter-of-ahmaud-arbery-convicted-of-federal-hate-crime-11645544597

got a link that doesn't require a subscription?

Originally Posted by Valsdad

Originally Posted by AKwolverine

Update for MIKEWERNER.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/shooter-of-ahmaud-arbery-convicted-of-federal-hate-crime-11645544597

got a link that doesn't require a subscription?

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/ahmaud-arbery-verdict-reached-in-federal-hate-crimes-trial.amp

The only radio station that has any slight center to right pitch here in the Atlanta area is WSB. I almost retch listening to the description of the dearly departed as a jogger. They keep pushing him almost to sainthood stature like they did George Floyd patron saint of Fentanyl.