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In some states enterning a house without the owners permission is considered breaking and enterning… even if the door is open.


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Originally Posted by deflave
It's more than a little obvious you have zero experience in a court room, making arrests, or attempting to learn anything about the 4th Amendment.
You sound more & more like you are falling on the side of "cower in your home like a woman and let criminals have the run of your neighborhood."


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https://www.takimag.com/article/the-lynching-of-a-black-jogger/

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This case is also similar to that of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown in a very significant way—just not the way they’re trying to frame it. In all three cases, these young black men were shot and killed AFTER they tried grabbing a gun out of someone’s hands. If so many of you weren’t hyper-emotional and semi-retarded, the lesson you would have learned from all this is that it’s not nearly as dangerous to jog while black as it is to attempt grabbing a loaded gun out of someone’s hands.

Pardon my whiteness, but if I saw someone holding a shotgun, my last instinct would be to feel so stupidly invincible that I’d think I could safely get away with yanking it out of his clutches.

Once again, we are bludgeoned with the demonstrable lie that it’s “open season on black men.” What we don’t hear is that, according to every available statistic, the people who are killing them are overwhelmingly other black men. Or that young black men—who comprise about 4% of the nation’s population—commit more than half of the nation’s murders. Or that these same angelic joggers and Skittles-buyers with unlimited potential and endlessly bright futures are statistically over-represented in every area of crime.

And we definitely don’t hear about all the white joggers getting killed by blacks.

Ever wonder why that is?





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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Another can of worms is intervening on behalf of someone else, and I don’t mean chasing some guy down the street as happened here.

From what I gather you’re fairly safe from civil lawsuits if you use deadly force in lawful self-defense, might get less clear if you ain’t the one being attacked.

Closest I ever came to that was when I was birdwatching along a walking trail here in a park on the West Side. An attractive Hispanic woman, early twenties walks by in workout gear and she looks scared, shoots me one of those looks like she wanted to ask for help.

Parking lot ain’t far away so I follow at a discrete distance, she gets back to her car and there’s a large, dangerous-looking individual waiting, probable Ex-Con/gang member type, late twenties/early thirties. The gist of the loud conversation that followed was they know each other somehow, she was still really scared and wanted him to leave her alone, she’s in the drivers seat he is standing right there obstructing her from closing it.

Coulda been a boyfriend/pimp/debt collector/all of the above.

I commence to watch birds again at an appropriate distance, far enough away so as not to be involved, close enough to be someone who was “there”, not looking directly at them. Nobody else around just then. Me an older White guy with binocs apparently looking at trees.

After maybe five minutes of this (a loooong time for me right then) he steps back, she drives off, he gets in his own vehicle and leaves also. Huge relief on my part. I do suspect I helped her out just by being present but what I shoulda done is called 911 right off and then hung around like I did.

Otherwise it could have been me and my j-frame “diving into a deep well of schidt”....... shocked

It coulda been a deep well even if I HAD called the Cops, maybe just a bit less deep....







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Originally Posted by Hubert
In some states enterning a house without the owners permission is considered breaking and enterning… even if the door is open.

That's correct. "Breaking" just means without permission or authorization.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by deflave
It's more than a little obvious you have zero experience in a court room, making arrests, or attempting to learn anything about the 4th Amendment.
You sound more & more like you are falling on the side of "cower in your home like a woman and let criminals have the run of your neighborhood."


We can't all be heroes like yourself.


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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
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What’s astonishing is that no matter how many dozens of times these hyped-up Race Porn stories completely fall to pieces once the facts come in, the True Believers gullibly hop right on it again with unrestrained lynch-mob glee. How many Covington Kids and Jussie Smolletts and Mike Browns and Trayvon Martins and Duke Lacrosse Teams and Tawana Brawleys and Rodney Kings will it take for journalists and jurors to do what they are supposed to do—i.e., wait until all the facts come in? Apparently they feel not a whit of shame about being found wrong again and again and again—nearly every single time, in fact.

https://www.takimag.com/article/the-lynching-of-a-black-jogger/

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Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Another can of worms is intervening on behalf of someone else, and I don’t mean chasing some guy down the street as happened here.

From what I gather you’re fairly safe from civil lawsuits if you use deadly force in lawful self-defense, might get less clear if you ain’t the one being attacked.

Closest I ever came to that was when I was birdwatching along a walking trail here in a park on the West Side. An attractive Hispanic woman, early twenties walks by in workout gear and she looks scared, shoots me one of those looks like she wanted to ask for help.

Parking lot ain’t far away so I follow at a discrete distance, she gets back to her car and there’s a large, dangerous-looking individual waiting, probable Ex-Con/gang member type, late twenties/early thirties. The gist of the loud conversation that followed was they know each other somehow, she was still really scared and wanted him to leave her alone, she’s in the drivers seat he is standing right there obstructing her from closing it.

Coulda been a boyfriend/pimp/debt collector/all of the above.

I commence to watch birds again at an appropriate distance, far enough away so as not to be involved, close enough to be someone who was “there”, not looking directly at them. Nobody else around just then. Me an older White guy with binocs apparently looking at trees.

After maybe five minutes of this (a loooong time for me right then) he steps back, she drives off, he gets in his own vehicle and leaves also. Huge relief on my part. I do suspect I helped her out just by being present but what I shoulda done is called 911 right off and then hung around like I did.

Otherwise it could have been me and my j-frame “diving into a deep well of schidt”....... shocked

It coulda been a deep well even if I HAD called the Cops, maybe just a bit less deep....







Holeee Schit. You need to move to Hollyweird. You're missing your calling.


She was probably murdered five miles down the road. LOL.

Birdwatcher standing there watching a cardinal.


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
https://www.takimag.com/article/the-lynching-of-a-black-jogger/

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This case is also similar to that of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown in a very significant way—just not the way they’re trying to frame it. In all three cases, these young black men were shot and killed AFTER they tried grabbing a gun out of someone’s hands. If so many of you weren’t hyper-emotional and semi-retarded, the lesson you would have learned from all this is that it’s not nearly as dangerous to jog while black as it is to attempt grabbing a loaded gun out of someone’s hands.

Pardon my whiteness, but if I saw someone holding a shotgun, my last instinct would be to feel so stupidly invincible that I’d think I could safely get away with yanking it out of his clutches.

Once again, we are bludgeoned with the demonstrable lie that it’s “open season on black men.” What we don’t hear is that, according to every available statistic, the people who are killing them are overwhelmingly other black men. Or that young black men—who comprise about 4% of the nation’s population—commit more than half of the nation’s murders. Or that these same angelic joggers and Skittles-buyers with unlimited potential and endlessly bright futures are statistically over-represented in every area of crime.

And we definitely don’t hear about all the white joggers getting killed by blacks.

Ever wonder why that is?





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Originally Posted by Bristoe
What’s astonishing is that no matter how many dozens of times these hyped-up Race Porn stories completely fall to pieces once the facts come in, the True Believers gullibly hop right on it again with unrestrained lynch-mob glee. How many Covington Kids and Jussie Smolletts and Mike Browns and Trayvon Martins and Duke Lacrosse Teams and Tawana Brawleys and Rodney Kings will it take for journalists and jurors to do what they are supposed to do—i.e., wait until all the facts come in? Apparently they feel not a whit of shame about being found wrong again and again and again—nearly every single time, in fact.

https://www.takimag.com/article/the-lynching-of-a-black-jogger/

Spot on. It's perplexing.

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Originally Posted by deflave
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It's more than a little obvious you have zero experience in a court room, making arrests, or attempting to learn anything about the 4th Amendment.
You sound more & more like you are falling on the side of "cower in your home like a woman and let criminals have the run of your neighborhood."
We can't all be heroes like yourself.
I can see how it would seem heroic to someone such as yourself to actually care about what's going on in your neighborhood.


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Originally Posted by deflave
Birdwatcher standing there watching a cardinal.


If you knew anything at all you’d know that cardinals are “trash birds” around here ie. so common as to be not worth a second look. Bird watchers are a shallow bunch, heck even painted buntings are trash birds for us around here.

That particular place is a good location for migrant mourning warblers tho so it was prob’ly mid May.


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
https://www.takimag.com/article/the-lynching-of-a-black-jogger/

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This case is also similar to that of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown in a very significant way—just not the way they’re trying to frame it. In all three cases, these young black men were shot and killed AFTER they tried grabbing a gun out of someone’s hands. If so many of you weren’t hyper-emotional and semi-retarded, the lesson you would have learned from all this is that it’s not nearly as dangerous to jog while black as it is to attempt grabbing a loaded gun out of someone’s hands.

Pardon my whiteness, but if I saw someone holding a shotgun, my last instinct would be to feel so stupidly invincible that I’d think I could safely get away with yanking it out of his clutches.

Once again, we are bludgeoned with the demonstrable lie that it’s “open season on black men.” What we don’t hear is that, according to every available statistic, the people who are killing them are overwhelmingly other black men. Or that young black men—who comprise about 4% of the nation’s population—commit more than half of the nation’s murders. Or that these same angelic joggers and Skittles-buyers with unlimited potential and endlessly bright futures are statistically over-represented in every area of crime.

And we definitely don’t hear about all the white joggers getting killed by blacks.

Ever wonder why that is?




Bristoe,

This is it's own separate subject.

If you want to discuss it, you should open a new thread.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by Ejp1234
Originally Posted by JoeBob
This guy here does a pretty decent job of being objective. I agree with most of what he says.

What we actually know


Hes wrong almost right off the bat with his definition of a dwelling....


Actually... this guy says facts so many times at the start, then says the house is a remodel.... hes incorrect and stating a lie right away.

Google earth the address and do the time line. The time line goes from 10/2017 to 1/2019.... in october of 2017 there was just grass... it goes all the way back to 1988, its just a bare lot.

The structure, which is what it is, doesnt fit the definition needed.... its a rough framed structure without a COO... no burglary.

So... that guys without facts right from the start.

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I hear that officials are flying Jussie Smollet in to see if he can identify those two men as being the same guys who tried to hang him recently.

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What theses white dudes did was stupid. Whether the black guy was casing the place, looking for stuff to steal (likely) or not is irrelevant. We have to live in the world that is, not the one that should be. All the legal arguments in support of their right to detain this guy don’t matter. If you still think there’s such a thing as the rule of law, fairly applied to all, go talk to General Flynn. We live in a world where cops get in trouble for getting too rough with huge black felons who are trying to kick their ass. You can get fired for refusing to be enthusiastic enough in insisting that a dude in a dress is actually a woman. You can’t use unapproved words to describe protected classes of people without suffering penalties ranging from being socially ostracized to being held in contempt of court. The laws and rules are multi-tiered. How anyone could review the events of the last decade and not figure that out is amazing to me.

These guys would have been in a world of [bleep] even if they’d have been able to detain the dude without shooting him. Who seriously thinks video of several white guys chasing a black guy down the street in a pickup, blocking him off, and then forcibly detaining him, wouldn’t have made national news and got the attention of politically ambitious prosecutors from all over? Yes, he was most likely a thief just like they thought he was but he obviously didn’t have a stack of lumber and fishing tackle on him as he was running down the street and even if he had, it’s not hard to imagine the media and Soros funded prosecutors going after these guys for assault, false imprisonment, hate crimes, profiling, or any other bullshit they could come up with. But the dude is dead and now these guys are completely and utterly screwed. Given the circumstances, that outcome was or should have been seen as possible if not likely given the way the world really is these days. To me, catching a black thief ain’t worth that kind of risk. If he’s in your house, yes. If he just raped and murdered the neighbor’s wife, yes. If you see him nosing around a construction site and figure he’s the thief that’s been stealing stuff from the neighborhood, I wouldn’t risk it.

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Originally Posted by local_dirt
Schit. You need to move to Hollyweird. You're missing your calling.


Meh..... consider how much time I’ve probly spent looking at trees in parks on the West Side over the last 35 years and this was one time.

Only other public service I’ve performed in that particular park was when a young and attractive blonde was back there alone on the trails, sorority girl type, clueless as to where she was.

I politely informed her of the occasional acts of violence that had occurred over the years in the adjoining neighborhoods and that while most times that park was safe, once in a while it really wasn’t. She had no idea.

Anyways I was in a whole diff’rent risk category; older White guy with two off-leash blue heelers, thugs around here seem to assume if your dog is obedient, it’s prob’ly attack trained 🙂


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Probably going to pull some DNA off of the older guy to determine if he's who showed Tawana Brawley how the bull went through the buckwheat way back when.

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Also,...records are currently being checked to determine if either of the accused graduated from Covington Catholic.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone
I can see how it would seem heroic to someone such as yourself to actually care about what's going on in your neighborhood.


Why would I?

They're all black.


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