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Boggles the imagination that folks can't see that everywhere there are super high crime areas, they are infested with Nike's and Joggers. We need to make running down the street and tennis shoes against the law. What if they were wearing American made shoes? Would that be okay with you?
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You explicitly stated your right to question private citizens in public places. I certainly did. That's quite distinct from what you imputed to me, however. Are you suggesting that it would be a crime for me to ask someone a question? Are you suggesting that violence, or the non-verbal imminent threat thereof, would be a lawful response to my asking a question? It isn't. I am suggesting that most reasonable people would tell you to "FUGG OFF. What I do is none of your business. Get out of my face!" And that if you do anything other than turn and move along, the most reasonable of persons will become irritated with you and will commence to move you along. Nope. Not lawful to "move someone along" in a public space for asking a question. You can ignore that person, or tell them to buzz off, but if it's a public space, both people have a right to be there. If you're annoyed by my question, you have a lawful right to leave, stay and ignore me, or converse with me, but you have no right to respond with violence or threat's if imminent violence, either verbally or non-verbally. Legal response or not, it is the inevitable outcome. And only a fool would fail to recognize the consequences of harassing folks in public places. And really, what do you think the Cop is going to say when you call and complain about your bloody nose and bruised ego, and the other guy tells him "Hey, I told the jackass to get lost a dozen times. I told him to leave me alone. I told him to get out of my face. But he just kept pestering me. He did not seem to be rational. I was in fear for my safety and the safety of my 13 year old daughter." The cops around here would ask you, "Have you learned you lesson? Are you going to go home and leave people alone now?" Heck, they might even arrest you for "Loitering" or possibly "Vagrancy". That used to be a big one around here. If the cops did not like the looks of a guy, they would toss him in the joint overnight as a vagrant.
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Still not enough evidence to decide anything other than the guy is dead. Is he? Are we sure his family isn't just a bunch a characters actors with connections to Hollywood?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Boggles the imagination that folks can't see that everywhere there are super high crime areas, they are infested with Nike's and Joggers. We need to make running down the street and tennis shoes against the law. What if they were wearing American made shoes? Would that be okay with you? I don't care if they're barefooted as long as they quit stealing and tearing up sheit. Why don't you move to East St Louis, or South Chicago. You'd really like it there.
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Is he?
Are we sure his family isn't just a bunch a characters actors with connections to Hollywood?
Let's leave the Jews outta this one.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Boggles the imagination that folks can't see that everywhere there are super high crime areas, they are infested with Nike's and Joggers. We need to make running down the street and tennis shoes against the law. What if they were wearing American made shoes? Would that be okay with you? I don't care if they're barefooted as long as they quit stealing and tearing up sheit. Why don't you move to East St Louis, or South Chicago. You'd really like it there. Is that where you live? I shoulda guessed.
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Are we all in agreement that a Kel-Tec P11 is adequate for Neighborhood Watch?
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Are we all in agreement that a Kel-Tec P11 is adequate for Neighborhood Watch? Shotguns work to evidently. 😁
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[.. You are not permitted to place others in reasonable fear of imminent physical harm McMichaels & Co. using pickups to roadblock and brandish a firearm to falsely imprison a man would amount to Arbery having such reasonable fear don't ya think? GA § 16-5-41 - False imprisonment = felony. Kill someone during the action of a felony and one is up for Felony Murder. (§ 16-5-1) Felony murder is a legal statute that expands the definition of murder and GA law does not take into consideration whether the death was intentional or accidental... Which means; The defendant is liable for the death either way.
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Hahahahaahahahaha so brandishing weapons while pursuing someone isnt a threat of imminent violence?? Hahahahahahaha gosh darn your a retard hahahahaha
You folks need to decide whether we're talking about the cop talking to him on video or the video of him attacking the man with the shotgun. The principle doesn't change, but I was conversing with someone about the cop video.
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As for the Dad in the back of the truck, he had no involvement in the struggle, so why would he have legal jeopardy. Its not just about the struggle with Jnr. Father and son were working together in the action of committing a felony. If one is directly involved in such felony and the target person is killed, one also earns the Felony murder charge.
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You jokers need to pull up your pants and move along.
I am..........disturbed.
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Have you guys seen the video of his interaction with the cops when they were talking to him near his car? This guy was gonna get shot by somebody sooner or later.
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The video gives insight into his level of respect for lawful authority..
Like anyone else LE need to earn respect. what was their reasonable suspicion based on? I said the cop has a right to approach someone he thinks might be loitering (even if based strictly on a hunch)... unparticularized suspicion (or hunch) is insufficient for reasonable suspicion. LE require ~specific and articulable facts~ You seem to support LE going on fishing exercises.
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The video gives insight into his level of respect for lawful authority..
Like anyone else LE need to earn respect. what was their reasonable suspicion based on? I said the cop has a right to approach someone he thinks might be loitering (even if based strictly on a hunch)... unparticularized suspicion (or hunch) is insufficient for reasonable suspicion. LE require ~specific and articulable facts~ Such as loitering in an area notorious for drugs. Illegally parking in area where no one has any reason to park? Wearing a heavy coat on a hot day? Nervous behavior when approached? Vehicle he was in obviously got there somehow yet he has a suspended license? Want more?
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Fly, do you support TRH that a mere unparticularized 'hunch' is legally sufficient?
I said the cop has a right to approach someone he thinks might be loitering (even if based strictly on a hunch)..
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Fly, do you support TRH that a mere unparticularized
'hunch' is legally sufficient? Honestly, I pretty much gave up on this thread a while back and every now and then just check in to read a few posts so I’m not exactly sure what the interaction between the two of you is about. My post was in support of the cops right to question him on that video where he almost got tased. He had plenty of articulable RS to question him. I’ll go one better and say that the only reason he walked away from that stop is because he (Jogger) is in a protected class so those cops where actually gun shy about escalating the situation. If that had been you or me who had acted that way in that video with everything proceeding exactly the way it did, I can just about guarantee we would’ve been hauled off in cuffs and the car would’ve been towed.
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Have you guys seen the video of his interaction with the cops when they were talking to him near his car? This guy was gonna get shot by somebody sooner or later. Bingo!
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Fly, do you support TRH that a mere unparticularized 'hunch' is legally sufficient?
I said the cop has a right to approach someone he thinks might be loitering (even if based strictly on a hunch)..
To ask a question? Anyone is free to ask someone a question. You're confusing the standard for detaining someone with the standard for merely approaching and asking questions, which can be done merely on a hunch, or for no articulable reason whatsoever.
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To ask a question? Anyone is free to ask someone a question.
You said the approach by LE for suspicion of loitering is justified even if based strictly on a hunch... LoL. When it comes to law you are dumber than a bag of clam shells.
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