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Well, that's pretty much the black and white of it.

Whitey did something illegal. The jogger did something worse, suicidal.

Three guys in two trucks chased the man down, one guy jumped out with a firearm in his path in such a manner as to indicate he was willing to use deadly force.

Both parties reacted without much time for forethought.

But you seem to think it's OK to impute motive and intention on some white guy just because he's white. How convenient. I don't remember you being part of the "let's see all the evidence" crowd.

BTW, have you ever had a hostile firearm pointed at you?

You seem to know how someone should act in such a situation. Tell us how correct Ahmaud's actions were.

Maybe you could leave your blind racism out and speculate how things could have been different if Ahmaud had behaved differently.

Doesn't matter, I'm merely stating fact.

Yep.
The white guy thought the jogger would act rational and put his hands up and wait for LEO.

Both were wrong, one was dead wrong.

GA statute on Burglary:

A person commits the offense of burglary in the first degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant dwelling house of another or any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other such structure designed for use as the dwelling of another. A person who commits the offense of burglary in the first degree shall be guilty of a felony....

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2014/title-16/chapter-7/article-1/section-16-7-1

Notice that a burglar doesn't have to actually steal anything to be guilty.

Mr. Jogger stopped, looked, and entered the house, and tried to find something to steal, for approximately 30 seconds, before being yelled at, and running away at three times the speed he'd previously been "jogging" at.

And it's all on video.

i've snooped through buildings under construction before

It's time for a *lot* of forethought before you yank on the barrel of a shotgun that somebody is holding.

Georgia law:




So, the Jogger clearly entered a building without authorization. The question is did he have intent to commit a felony or theft therein? Georgia case law says that the mere presence of valuables inside that could be stolen is sufficient to infer that intent and sustain a conviction for burglary REGARDLESS of whether a theft was carried out. For the purposes of burglary there is no misdemeanor/felony value threshold. If there was so much as a two-by-four or a hammer in there for him to take, his mere presence in the building was sufficient to sustain a conviction for burglary. Now, criminal trespass is a lesser included offense and he would be entitled to an instruction on it if he testified that he did not intend to steal, but he had done enough to be convicted of burglary and satisfy the law.

So yeah, the jogger could easily have been convicted of a felony that day based upon his actions. He also happens to be black. Saying that he could have been convicted of a felony has nothing to do with the fact that he was also black. It has to do with the facts as we know them.

Ha. You're expecting folks to act with an IQ of at least 72, Bristle.

All jogger had to do was say hey, I'm thinking of buying this place, and of course, wait for LEO. Whoa, that's a no go.

If I were jogging and two black men in a truck came at me like that with a shotgun you're damn right I would have laid right down. I sure as hell wouldn't have been stupid enough to try and grab the gun from them. I would have tried to reason with them asking what is going on.

I'm not saying that these two will be proven innocent but damn guys, where the hell is your common sense?

And I'm no racist. There are white trash same as there are black trash. I do believe that there are places that have too many of both. There would be an abundance of one of them at this location for sure.

i doubt the guys in the truck, or most of the guys reading this, think that

Ahmaud didn't go and get his guns for the purpose of confronting another individual. Ahmaud did not initiate the confrontation without legal authority to do so. Georgia laws pretty clear. You start it, you don't get to claim self defense, but the other guys well within his right to exercise that right.

If someone, who's not a cop, points a gun at your, do you plan to forfeit your right to self defense?

What you doubt is pretty immaterial to the facts.

That law is clearly as racist as can be.

If I just committed a felony and am fleeing from lawful apprehension? Absolutely I have.

And lots of real states attorneys as well as various other defense attorneys in all the various articles and newscasts all say that the victim committed criminal trespass only... and... the shooters didnt see it happening, they saw him run by.

They murdered him without a valid legal reason to do so, and they will be found very guilty.

You probably go through peoples dresser drawers too.

Are you so naive that you would surrender and allow yourself to be rendered helpless at the mercy of two or three gun wielding strangers in the middle of the street?
Strangers who had been using vehicles to aggressively chase you through the streets.
Strangers who doing such crazy schitt as standing in the back of a fast moving pickup, waving a gun, and one can safely assume shouting many phrases.

Does any of the demonstrated activity of the Bubbas prior to actual contact with the victim lead one to think their intended victim had any reason to believe he would be treated fairly, humanely, and not put at risk before Police arrived? Hell, the victim had no knowledge that Police were even in route.

Does one believe that Bubba and Bubba Jr were not shouting explicit threats toward their intended victim in their hot headed and reckless endeavor to bring to justice what they considered to be a POS dirtbag criminal?

Fuggin A and like a dead man. I did it before when a Mexican put a blade to my throat at Ruby's dairy one evening in high school in Refugio, Texas about 1967. Saved my life, too, I figure. But, I might be smarter than some jigger, I mean, jogger.

If someone who could have already shot you and driven on home tells you to lay down and you attack him to grab the gun you are as stupid as that jogger.