|
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,019 Likes: 3
Campfire Tracker
|
OP
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,019 Likes: 3 |
But it's nothing I wouldn't say in front of my black friends or co-workers.
You work with black people? OMFG
Padded VA Hospital Rooms for $1000 Alex My ignoree,s will never be Rock Stars on 24 hr campfire.....Like me!!!! What are psychotic puppet hunters?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 1,701
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 1,701 |
Your [sic] missing the obvious here... Arbery isnt on trial....
Actually, when a defendant claims the defense of self-defense, in a sense, the victim of his actions come to be on trial, because now the prosecutor must prove that the victim was not posing an imminent, potentially deadly, threat to the shooter at the time of the incident, and the shooter is proffering evidence of the opposite. No no no.... your wrong... the prosecutor doesnt have to prove that at all.... the defense does...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13
Campfire Sage
|
Campfire Sage
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 |
We are supposed to just sit back, say nothing and finance it until the schiett gets much worse. We must have something to keep the justice dept, Leo, lawyers, ER rooms, prison systems and morgues going.
How much of it is in the news when a couple of blacks kill some poor cracker while robbing a convenience store or raping and killing some woman? Well, that wouldnt be big news. Why, because its expected. Its normal. Dont you know that's just how they are? Say something about it and, hey, you're a racist. 5 dead, 28 wounded the weekend of 4-20. Hey, no biggie if blacks are killing blacks for fun or whites for money or puzzy but if 2 crackers try to chase down and hold a black for few minutes for LEO and and said low IQ dumbass attacks one with a gun and buys the farm the world must come to a standstill.
This schiett will not be tolerated. Chase them down and just grab them. Get a knife in your guts and everything will be ok.
Excellent rebuttal.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13
Campfire Sage
|
Campfire Sage
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 |
But it's nothing I wouldn't say in front of my black friends or co-workers.
You work with black people? OMFG Doesn't everybody?
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,019 Likes: 3
Campfire Tracker
|
OP
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,019 Likes: 3 |
Padded VA Hospital Rooms for $1000 Alex My ignoree,s will never be Rock Stars on 24 hr campfire.....Like me!!!! What are psychotic puppet hunters?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 131,908 Likes: 47
Campfire Sage
|
Campfire Sage
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 131,908 Likes: 47 |
Your [sic] missing the obvious here... Arbery isnt on trial....
Actually, when a defendant claims the defense of self-defense, in a sense, the victim of his actions come to be on trial, because now the prosecutor must prove that the victim was not posing an imminent, potentially deadly, threat to the shooter at the time of the incident, and the shooter is proffering evidence of the opposite. No no no.... your wrong... the prosecutor doesnt have to prove that at all.... the defense does... There is a burden of proof shift once the defense of self-defense is asserted. After that, the prosecutor is burdened with proving that the victim wasn't illegally posing an imminent threat to the life of the defendant, i.e., it becomes about the dead man at that point.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13
Campfire Sage
|
Campfire Sage
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 |
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,774
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,774 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 26,618 Likes: 20
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 26,618 Likes: 20 |
But it's nothing I wouldn't say in front of my black friends or co-workers.
You work with black people? OMFG Work may be a stretch, they are fellow employees.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 26,618 Likes: 20
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 26,618 Likes: 20 |
We are supposed to just sit back, say nothing and finance it until the schiett gets much worse. We must have something to keep the justice dept, Leo, lawyers, ER rooms, prison systems and morgues going.
How much of it is in the news when a couple of blacks kill some poor cracker while robbing a convenience store or raping and killing some woman? Well, that wouldnt be big news. Why, because its expected. Its normal. Dont you know that's just how they are? Say something about it and, hey, you're a racist. 5 dead, 28 wounded the weekend of 4-20. Hey, no biggie if blacks are killing blacks for fun or whites for money or puzzy but if 2 crackers try to chase down and hold a black for few minutes for LEO and and said low IQ dumbass attacks one with a gun and buys the farm the world must come to a standstill.
This schiett will not be tolerated. Chase them down and just grab them. Get a knife in your guts and everything will be ok.
Excellent rebuttal. It really was. It was so well executed that I barely noticed he entwined murder into this discussion of a possible burglary.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,228 Likes: 1
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,228 Likes: 1 |
People make decisions everyday that ruin their lives or someone elses. Thats what happened here. Decisions were made on both sides that may ultimately cost all three their lives. Thats what happens in a free will society. I personally do my best to avoid areas and people I don't wanna be around. Not afraid, just remove myself from the posibility. Why step in [bleep] if you have don't have to?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13
Campfire Sage
|
Campfire Sage
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 |
Paul,
Between you and me, I never actually read it.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,833 Likes: 9
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,833 Likes: 9 |
In Georgia, when raised at trial the defendant need only show evidence of justification in an alleged self defense situation then the burden of proof switches to the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn’t justified.
So, necessarily the actions of the victim and his character, at least to some extent will come into play. Most states allow a defendant in a self defense case to offer evidence of pertinent character traits of the victim. So, if there is anything there, you will hear about it. I’ll bet that the defense already knows about or is very interested in the “mental issues” alluded to by the second DA in his letter to the third.
I still think that it is going to come down to what happened in the front of that truck that no one can see. McMillan has right to be armed to be in a public space. And Arbery had a right to be where he was. So, it’s going to come down to those few seconds.
You can argue that the McMillans created the whole situation and were the aggressors. That isn’t completely unreasonable. On the other hand, from what we think we know about the case, they had done pretty much the same thing and tried to get him to stop and talk at least once, maybe twice, a few minutes/seconds before and he had kept running. What was different this time?
It’s going to come down to what the difference was in those split seconds the last time they tried to stop him. The McMillans are behind the eight ball with all the publicity. On the other hand, they appear to be the only witnesses as to what happened in those split seconds.
Last edited by JoeBob; 05/13/20.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 26,618 Likes: 20
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 26,618 Likes: 20 |
In Georgia, when raised at trial the defendant need only show evidence of justification in an alleged self defense situation then the burden of proof switches to the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn’t justified.
So, necessarily the actions of the victim and his character, at least to some extent will come into play. Most states allow a defendant to offer evidence of pertinent e t character traits of the victim. So, if there is anything there, you will hear about it. I’ll bet that the defense already knows about or is very interested in the “mental issues” alluded to by the second DA in his letter to the third.
I still think that it is going to come down to what happened in the front of that truck that no one can see. McMillan has right to be armed to be in a public space. And Arbery had a right to be where he was. So, it’s going to come down to those few seconds.
You can argue that the McMillans created the whole situation and were the aggressors. That isn’t completely unreasonable. On the other hand, from what we think we know about the case, they had done pretty much the same thing and tried to get him to stop and talk at least once, maybe twice, a few minutes/seconds before and he had kept running. What was different this time?
It’s going to come down to what the difference was in those split seconds the last time they tried to stop him. The McMillans are behind the eight ball with all the publicity. On the other hand, the appear to be the only witnesses as to what happened in those split seconds. I think there will be much more legal nuance than we realize. I have read and reread the Georgia statute. What the killers KNEW is going to come into play.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,833 Likes: 9
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,833 Likes: 9 |
In Georgia, when raised at trial the defendant need only show evidence of justification in an alleged self defense situation then the burden of proof switches to the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn’t justified.
So, necessarily the actions of the victim and his character, at least to some extent will come into play. Most states allow a defendant to offer evidence of pertinent e t character traits of the victim. So, if there is anything there, you will hear about it. I’ll bet that the defense already knows about or is very interested in the “mental issues” alluded to by the second DA in his letter to the third.
I still think that it is going to come down to what happened in the front of that truck that no one can see. McMillan has right to be armed to be in a public space. And Arbery had a right to be where he was. So, it’s going to come down to those few seconds.
You can argue that the McMillans created the whole situation and were the aggressors. That isn’t completely unreasonable. On the other hand, from what we think we know about the case, they had done pretty much the same thing and tried to get him to stop and talk at least once, maybe twice, a few minutes/seconds before and he had kept running. What was different this time?
It’s going to come down to what the difference was in those split seconds the last time they tried to stop him. The McMillans are behind the eight ball with all the publicity. On the other hand, the appear to be the only witnesses as to what happened in those split seconds. I think there will be much more legal nuance than we realize. I have read and reread the Georgia statute. What the killers KNEW is going to come into play. I suspect they knew a lot more than most are giving them credit for knowing.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 14,761 Likes: 4
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 14,761 Likes: 4 |
What disturbs me most is how many of you think a man should allow himself to be disarmed and murdered just because he investigated a suspected burglar in his neighborhood.
Politics is War by Other Means
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,774
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,774 |
But it's nothing I wouldn't say in front of my black friends or co-workers.
You work with black people? OMFG Work may be a stretch, they are fellow employees. You lazy bastard.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13
Campfire Sage
|
Campfire Sage
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 |
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13
Campfire Sage
|
Campfire Sage
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 |
What disturbs me most is how many of you think a man should allow himself to be disarmed and murdered just because he investigated a suspected burglar in his neighborhood. Another contender for the critical thinking hall of fame.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,833 Likes: 9
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,833 Likes: 9 |
What disturbs me most is how many of you think a man should allow himself to be disarmed and murdered just because he investigated a suspected burglar in his neighborhood. Or that a man who is armed is automatically the aggressor. Some of these guys aren’t too far off from attacking the dude open carrying at the grocery store because they felt threatened. Break it down to its most simple parts. You can open carry in Georgia. You can open carry in the street in Georgia. You can talk to people, maybe even disagreeably so while open carrying in Georgia. None of that, in and of themselves makes one the aggressor in a confrontation. There is going to have to be some affirmative act...a spoken threat, physical contact, or pointing the gun to make one the aggressor. Most on here want to argue that the whole situation made the McMillans the aggressors. And maybe, the jury will buy off on that. But if I were their counsel, I would try to break it down to it’s most basic elements and condense their acts down individually and analyze them that way.
|
|
|
|
520 members (10Glocks, 222ND, 1minute, 1badf350, 1OntarioJim, 06hunter59, 69 invisible),
2,397
guests, and
1,169
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,193,704
Posts18,513,844
Members74,010
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|