Arbery would only had to pull the shotgun approximately 1/16th to 1/8th of one inch to fire weapon himself and in the height of an altercation this is entirely possible . Arberys mental health records & prior convictions help explain his apparent aggressive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack an armed man.
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Note to self: Never ask an old Fogey how he is doing today. Revised note to self: Keep it short when someone asks how I am doing.
Actually, it is quite different than the Trayvon case, in which the diseased was armed with a concrete sidewalk and as such snuck up behind George and whacked him over the head with it, making George fear for his life, and thus dump some 9 mm or whatever into him.
Actually, it is quite different than the Trayvon case, in which the diseased was armed with a concrete sidewalk and as such snuck up behind George and whacked him over the head with it, making George fear for his life, and thus dump some 9 mm or whatever into him.
He would have had to have been sick to do that.
Not a real member - just an ordinary guy who appreciates being able to hang around and say something once in awhile.
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Not only a less than minimally educated person, but stupid and out of touch as well.
Actually, it is quite different than the Trayvon case, in which the diseased was armed with a concrete sidewalk and as such snuck up behind George and whacked him over the head with it, making George fear for his life, and thus dump some 9 mm or whatever into him.
In early December 2013, more than a year after he had graduated, a school resource officer spotted a handgun in his waistband as he waited to enter a basketball game at the Brunswick High School, records show. Arbery ran, and police chased and arrested him. Arbery admitted he was armed but no longer had the gun. Police later found a .380 caliber semi-automatic handgun in front of the gym. He was charged with weapons possession at a school and obstructing an officer.
Revocation of probation? What happens after revocation?
Greg McMichael led the investigation into the probation revocation? The firearm conviction?
Tarquin.......what does that mean?
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In early December, police responded after Arbery and three friends were accused of trying to steal a television from a Brunswick Walmart. The officer ordered all four to sit on the parking lot. Arbery tried to stand up as he argued about whether he had done anything. The officer handcuffed Arbery face-down on the asphalt.
The shoplifting charge prompted an investigation into his probation status by the Glynn County District Attorney’s office in early 2018. Greg McMichael led the investigation that led to the revocation of Arbery’s probation.
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Note to self: Never ask an old Fogey how he is doing today. Revised note to self: Keep it short when someone asks how I am doing.
Doesn't resemble the Trayvon Martin situation in the least.
That was very early on, when all I had was the MSM account of things. After seeing all the information about it, it actually is similar in several ways, not least of which is the MSM reaction to it.
Hopefully there will be some older white men on the jury and the conviction will be for one of the lesser homicides. It will be awfully hard to get it down to negligent. Multiple shots negate that, and initiating it puts a real kink in a self defense claim. Dad may get by but Jr. probably not.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Hopefully there will be some older white men on the jury and the conviction will be for one of the lesser homicides. It will be awfully hard to get it down to negligent. Multiple shots negate that, and initiating it puts a real kink in a self defense claim. Dad may get by but Jr. probably not.
I think they both get off on justified self-defense, if there's any justice in the system.
Hopefully there will be some older white men on the jury and the conviction will be for one of the lesser homicides. It will be awfully hard to get it down to negligent. Multiple shots negate that, and initiating it puts a real kink in a self defense claim. Dad may get by but Jr. probably not.
I think they both get off on justified self-defense, if there's any justice in the system.
How in the world is that justice?
You guys are amazing at what ends you will go to keep the faith (and the race).
Trayvon Martin attacked a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen carrying a loaded Keltec.
Michael Brown attacked and even tried to strip a law enforcement officer of his weapon.
Ahmaud Arbery attacked a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen legally holding a loaded shotgun.
What do they all have in common?
Unbridled, stupid aggression.
They all would have been shot in the back had they not tried to "stand their ground". Simple as that.
No, we will never know the answer to that question in the Arbery case. If the McMichaels intended to use lethal force to stop him, no matter what, they will never admit to that. And it is impossible to read their mind, nor that of the dead man.
But we do know enough to determine that a reasonable man in Arbery's position had reason to fear for his life. He also had no way to read the minds of the McMichaels, to know how severely they would have treated him, had he surrendered.
"Unbridled stupid aggression" is a damned accurate description of two men in a pickup truck ambushing a man on the street repeatedly.
Again, exactly how many times is a man supposed to attempt to outrun a motor vehicle, before he turns to fight for his life?
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
Hopefully there will be some older white men on the jury and the conviction will be for one of the lesser homicides. It will be awfully hard to get it down to negligent. Multiple shots negate that, and initiating it puts a real kink in a self defense claim. Dad may get by but Jr. probably not.
I think they both get off on justified self-defense, if there's any justice in the system.
How in the world is that justice? You guys are amazing at what ends you will go to keep the faith (and the race).
Kind of accusing me of racism? Because I don't look at a wrongful killing as out and out murder? If I was a juror in this case I would certainly listen to both prosecution and defense. But knowing no more than I know now Jr. would get at least negligent homicide. I not sure what Dad should get. Things are not usually black and white. There are two sides. That is why there are trials. That video could be excluded since it was released improperly (maybe) by a previous attorney. By the way my best neighbor and best friend is black and I just wish my white neighbors acted as good as the black ones.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
In early December 2013, more than a year after he had graduated, a school resource officer spotted a handgun in his waistband as he waited to enter a basketball game at the Brunswick High School, records show. Arbery ran, and police chased and arrested him. Arbery admitted he was armed but no longer had the gun. Police later found a .380 caliber semi-automatic handgun in front of the gym. He was charged with weapons possession at a school and obstructing an officer.
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Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER
In early December, police responded after Arbery and three friends were accused of trying to steal a television from a Brunswick Walmart. The officer ordered all four to sit on the parking lot. Arbery tried to stand up as he argued about whether he had done anything. The officer handcuffed Arbery face-down on the asphalt.
The shoplifting charge prompted an investigation into his probation status by the Glynn County District Attorney’s office in early 2018. Greg McMichael led the investigation that led to the revocation of Arbery’s probation.
Nobody here is claiming Arbery has been any kind of angel. The only claim is that McMichaels had no legal cause to forcibly detain Arbery on the street the day of Arbery's death.
Are private citizens now entitled to "Stop and Frisk"? Because that is what McMichaels was actually doing. And do you and I have no right to resist such an act perpetrated upon us by another citizen?
Is it okay if the victim is just a "jogger" and the perp is not a "jogger". Must the jogger endure the harassment just because he is a "jogger"? Do "joggers" have no right to self defense or "Stand Your Ground"?
So we know that Arbery was well known to McMichaels. And if McMichaels had seen video recording of Arbery in the neighborhood, he probably would have recognized him. But that is an assumption.
What we do know is that McMichaels recognized Arbery on the day of Arbery's death as they pursued him through the streets. We know that McMichaels was (or at least should have been) familiar with police procedure. We know that McMichaels should have known that all he had to do was give Arbery's name to local police and they could go to Arbery's home and pick him up at any time.
But for some reason, McMichaels was motivated to personally detain Arbery on the street regardless of the force needed to do so.
What inspired such motivation? McMichaels is on record as being unable to articulate probable cause. The very first thing any policeman, let alone a Detective, should have learned to do before initiating an arrest. For what reason did McMichaels have a "Hard On" for Arbery in particular?
Unfortunately, McMichael's son got caught up in the mob mentality, anger, and excitement. (yes a mob of two) It is possible the Old Man was actually smart enough to not attempt a physical confrontation. I bet he wishes now that he had not gotten his son so fired up.
It is not possible for rational minds to understand the actions taken by irrational people.
In March the department’s police chief and three high ranking officers were indicted on perjury charges related to allegations they ignored evidence that an officer from the department was consorting with a local drug dealer.
The department was forced to disband a specialist narcotics department in 2019 after an investigator was found to have had sex with two confidential informants. The department found evidence of the misconduct in 2017 but failed to investigate. In 2018 the department lost certifications with two law enforcement bodies, the Georgia Association of Chiefs of Police and the Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement.
On Monday an outside judge was appointed to preside over the trial of the two men charged with Arbery’s murder, one of whom is a retired law
It has already been explained to us that McMichaels loss of arrest credentials due to his failure to attend training is just SOP for Police Enforcement. We were told that officers ignore training requirements all the time and it is nothing to be concerned about. How about the above quoted material? Is this just SOP for the average police dept across the nation?
Perhaps local police, when they recommended to a property owner that he enlist the help of vigilantes, is just one more example of the corruption and incompetence replete within McMichael's former employers.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
