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I'd really like to buy a Frontier but I've heard so many negative things about Nissans in general over the years I'm scared to pull the trigger. You can find a 4wd crew cab Frontier for a few thousand less than a Tacoma.


I have a 2013 that I bought new and now has 93000 on it. Check engine light came on about 55K, has something to do with the vent on the gas tank. Other than than, been a great rig. Will likely buy another. FWIW: Wife and I took a little road trip over the weekend and got a bit over 24 mpg.


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It's not a truck but close. After a lot of research my wife decided a Four Runner would best suit her needs. She goes to sewing classes and sews with a group of ladies. Needed something secure so she can lock things up and keep them out of the weather. Main thing about the Four Runner was it is still built on a frame like a truck, not uni-body construction, and has selective four wheel drive when needed out on the ranch. She started looking at older used vehicles. The price kept pushing her toward newer vehicles. Finally purchased a new 2020 for a couple thousand more than they were asking for a 2018 model. Salesman said Toyota, Nissan and Subaru hold their value better than any of the other vehicles. FWIW.

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The offset crash test is the most difficult for pick up truck makers to master. Naturally, the Ford F160 did the best of all trucks tested in this important test.


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The offset crash test is the most difficult for pick up truck makers to master. Naturally, the Ford F160 did the best of all trucks tested in this important test.





Provided it runs .

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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
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The offset crash test is the most difficult for pick up truck makers to master. Naturally, the Ford F160 did the best of all trucks tested in this important test.





Provided it runs .


Is that pic from another blown turbo?

I refuse to do business with a company like Ford and GM who are in bed with our enemy, China, who trying to destroy the US.

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I didn't read all the posts. What is the concensus?

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The offset crash test is the most difficult for pick up truck makers to master. Naturally, the Ford F160 did the best of all trucks tested in this important test.





Provided it runs .


Is that pic from another blown turbo?

I refuse to do business with a company like Ford and GM who are in bed with our enemy, China, who trying to destroy the US.


What do you mean "in bed with our enemy China"? All major automakers do business in China, including Toyoda.

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Originally Posted by ribka
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The offset crash test is the most difficult for pick up truck makers to master. Naturally, the Ford F160 did the best of all trucks tested in this important test.





Provided it runs .


Is that pic from another blown turbo?

I refuse to do business with a company like Ford and GM who are in bed with our enemy, China, who trying to destroy the US.



I think Ford is ok. I wish Toyota would buy them and improve their quality. GM not a phugging chance I would own one.

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Originally Posted by ribka
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The offset crash test is the most difficult for pick up truck makers to master. Naturally, the Ford F160 did the best of all trucks tested in this important test.





Provided it runs .


Is that pic from another blown turbo?

I refuse to do business with a company like Ford and GM who are in bed with our enemy, China, who trying to destroy the US.


Then by all means tell me, which auto company should we be doing business with???

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I want to know the salesman in the middle east that specializes in White Toyota crew cabs


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I think Ford is ok. I wish Toyota would buy them and improve their quality. GM not a phugging chance I would own one.


When you say "Improve their quality", does that mean an F150 will be the same vehicle for the next 14 years, like the Toyoda Tundra?

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You boys got this all sorted out yet?

My question is what kind of guy needs this much help picking out a truck.

Someone needs a man card.


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I think Ford is ok. I wish Toyota would buy them and improve their quality. GM not a phugging chance I would own one.


When you say "Improve their quality", does that mean an F150 will be the same vehicle for the next 14 years, like the Toyoda Tundra?


Please explain the benefit exchanging something that works well and does everything you ask of it in favor or something unproven?

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I think Ford is ok. I wish Toyota would buy them and improve their quality. GM not a phugging chance I would own one.


When you say "Improve their quality", does that mean an F150 will be the same vehicle for the next 14 years, like the Toyoda Tundra?


Design it properly from the Start, not change it constantly because it was not engineered right the first time. I had a 2016 F150 , Ford bought it back when it turned 6500 on the ODO. I loved the truck not the reliablity.

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I think Ford is ok. I wish Toyota would buy them and improve their quality. GM not a phugging chance I would own one.


When you say "Improve their quality", does that mean an F150 will be the same vehicle for the next 14 years, like the Toyoda Tundra?


Please explain the benefit exchanging something that works well and does everything you ask of it in favor or something unproven?



Just to clarify, I assume you ride a horse?

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Originally Posted by walt501
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I think Ford is ok. I wish Toyota would buy them and improve their quality. GM not a phugging chance I would own one.


When you say "Improve their quality", does that mean an F150 will be the same vehicle for the next 14 years, like the Toyoda Tundra?


Please explain the benefit exchanging something that works well and does everything you ask of it in favor or something unproven?



Just to clarify, I assume you ride a horse?


I’m not comparing a horse to a truck. I’m comparing a truck to a truck. Unless you’re now talking about flying cars vs. present day truck?.

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I think Ford is ok. I wish Toyota would buy them and improve their quality. GM not a phugging chance I would own one.


When you say "Improve their quality", does that mean an F150 will be the same vehicle for the next 14 years, like the Toyoda Tundra?


Design it properly from the Start, not change it constantly because it was not engineered right the first time. I had a 2016 F150 , Ford bought it back when it turned 6500 on the ODO. I loved the truck not the reliablity.


You forget that Toyoda had the same problems with the Tundra when it came out. Everything from exploding cam shafts to collapsing tailgates plagued the original Tundra. In fact, the problems were so bad that Toyoda CEO little Akio Toyoda cried when he was called on the carpet by congress and said "Tundra brings us shame". So going by what you say, you'd never buy a Tundra because they weren't designed correctly in the first place? Hmmm???

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I think Ford is ok. I wish Toyota would buy them and improve their quality. GM not a phugging chance I would own one.


When you say "Improve their quality", does that mean an F150 will be the same vehicle for the next 14 years, like the Toyoda Tundra?


Design it properly from the Start, not change it constantly because it was not engineered right the first time. I had a 2016 F150 , Ford bought it back when it turned 6500 on the ODO. I loved the truck not the reliablity.


You forget that Toyoda had the same problems with the Tundra when it came out. Everything from exploding cam shafts to collapsing tailgates plagued the original Tundra. In fact, the problems were so bad that Toyoda CEO little Akio Toyoda cried when he was called on the carpet by congress and said "Tundra brings us shame". So going by what you say, you'd never buy a Tundra because they weren't designed correctly in the first place? Hmmm???


I am not discounting your fairy tale, I understand they had some issues with the new Tundra in 2007 but they were quickly resolved. I bought one brand new and only issue was a defective Michelin tire. I bought a brand new 2016 Ford 150 4wd eco boost 3.5 and the vacuum system failed. Hubs trying to engage at highway speeds ?????? You see Ford keeps redesigning the system that engages their hubs. They should have designed it right from the start. The shop was in contact with Ford Engineers for a month and could not figure out what the F was wrong with it. It was a Lemon. Out of all the cars and trucks in my life the only LEMON. Hmmmmm?

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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
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I think Ford is ok. I wish Toyota would buy them and improve their quality. GM not a phugging chance I would own one.


When you say "Improve their quality", does that mean an F150 will be the same vehicle for the next 14 years, like the Toyoda Tundra?


Design it properly from the Start, not change it constantly because it was not engineered right the first time. I had a 2016 F150 , Ford bought it back when it turned 6500 on the ODO. I loved the truck not the reliablity.


You forget that Toyoda had the same problems with the Tundra when it came out. Everything from exploding cam shafts to collapsing tailgates plagued the original Tundra. In fact, the problems were so bad that Toyoda CEO little Akio Toyoda cried when he was called on the carpet by congress and said "Tundra brings us shame". So going by what you say, you'd never buy a Tundra because they weren't designed correctly in the first place? Hmmm???




I am not discounting your fairy tale, I understand they had some issues with the new Tundra in 2007 but they were quickly resolved. I bought one brand new and only issue was a defective Michelin tire. I bought a brand new 2016 Ford 150 4wd eco boost 3.5 and the vacuum system failed. Hubs trying to engage at highway speeds ?????? You see Ford keeps redesigning the system that engages their hubs. They should have designed it right from the start. The shop was in contact with Ford Engineers for a month and could not figure out what the F was wrong with it. It was a Lemon. Out of all the cars and trucks in my life the only LEMON. Hmmmmm?


My Tundra was a 2008. Drove it for twelve years as previously stated and still got an awesome trade in when I got the the Tacoma last year. Could’ve sold it for even more if I’d wanted to. Or could’ve just kept right on driving the Tundra for another twelve if I didn’t want the Tacoma.

This guy wants it both ways. First he says it’s a bad thing to have the same proven design for too long. Then he makes use in the argument that a first year design was bad.

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I bought a a 2019 Silverado LTZ last fall. Some things I love, others not so much. Gas mileage leaves something to be desired but still better than any Toyota I have heard about. The engine transmission combination has to be driven to be believed. Love the 5.3 with 8 speed.


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