Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire How the hell do you sleep at night ?

Pretty much what I figured the replies would be. Bunch of talk til the heavy lifting starts.

WTF does that even mean? Pretty sure there's something in your hallowed text that mentions not judging other, lest being judged yourself? Hopefully for you they don't require an I.Q. text to get through the pearly gates.

I'm not for abortion but without it the US of A would of been no more years ago. Abortion and euthanisa go hand in hand in my way of thinking. I want to be able to go to sleep when the time comes and not suffer through a prolonged terminal illness so the medical industry can suck the life and money out of my family. The main question I have, is how can a Christian person be for the death penalty and against abortion? We quit Bible study with all the hippocrates over that question.

What say you ?

At least the girls had a chance to run away.

A fetus,,, not so much.

Reading your posts here makes one assume that you’d be the Poster Person for Pro-Choice.

As an adult, I support your choice to “go to sleep” when the time comes. As long as you choose it, and you are not suffering from dementia or Alzheimer’s and being sold on it by some schmuck who has an agenda. Or worse, you “go to sleep” because someone else decided it was time, before you are ready. Which is where euthanasia will wind up eventually, because the people pushing it are the same ones pushing abortion and other anti-human actions.

As to against abortion and for the death penalty, it is simple. If it confuses one, perhaps they are in need of repair with regard to a moral compass.

Abortion is murder, because an innocent and defenseless human is killed without just cause. The death penalty is applied to violent criminals, often those who have killed innocent and defenseless humans, after due process. For as long as humans have existed, there has been a distinction between murder and justice. The fact that so many people are confused by it today is telling.

You don’t understand the differences between murder and justice?

Amazing to compare the two. Amazing.

They're soulless - and they use pills..

You're right. Killing them is the only answer. I often wonder how a nation on one hand thinks abortion is nothing involving a living child and than on the other hand can prosecute a person for fetal homicide.

Still, you have not addressed the moral issue wrapped up in the murder of innocents. And, in that you seem rather consumed with making a more perfect, or at least less troublesome, society through some "purification" process ("idiots - - - should be shot in the head to begin with"), maybe you would settle for simply killing the percentage of current and deficient adults that do not meet your social standards. To you, that might be practical, eh? It could be interesting to see you explain the moral rationale for what you post.

More than a few innocent people have been unjustly murdered by the death penalty. Life and death can require some difficult choices. When a 14 year old boy knocks up a 13 year old girl I'm sure glad there's other options than having a child.

Pretty easy for me I believe in the death penalty. If your convicted 3 times for DUI or felonies you get a bullet behind the ear. It won't fix the abortion issue but it'll sure help.

Jeebus....we absolutely hate welfare.....but absolutely hate abortion.

Cry about demographic shift.....but bitch about big families.


Sheesh.

Dawned on me a long time ago that job’s gonna get done with a coat hanger or a qualified doctor and I have no dog in that fight. It’s legalized murder, but since people that feel stronger about it are more apt to blog about it than do anything, I’m good just minding my own business.

What I could do without, however is paying for it with my tax dollars.

Abortion is appalling. They are innocent.

But society lets rapists and murders live for years.

We fight wars to protect our freedoms and our ideology pretty much constantly for the last 50 years or more. Most of these to fend off either communism or islam. Undeniably these wars comes with collateral damage in the form of civilian casualties, many of which are women and children. We justify this by rationalizing the end result, our freedom, is worth these lost lives. I whole heartedy agree with this. It's Savage and inhuman, but such is the nature of this life.
No different with this debate. We're fighting a domestic war against socialism and no one yet has denied that those millions of aborted children would have grown up to be, by a large majority, liberals. As tight as the divide has been for the last 20 years, this country would have been lost long ago.

Jim, don't forget about the ole Liberal war cry about how people hate handgun violence, yet insist on everyone's 2A right.

Sheesh

Jim, welfare and abortion are both from the same people with the same agenda. And big families are not the problem. Welfare trash having kids to get more money is a problem, easily solved by temporary sterilization as a condition of assistance. Also, decrease the attraction of welfare by making the recipient provide a return of value to the community, such as farming them out to the road department or local farmers to work every day as long as they are on the dole. Make it a last resort, and remove the attraction to create children seen as nothing more than a meal ticket.

We need to have big families, to maintain a viable society. We need to stop immigration completely as well, at least until we sort out our own demographic issues. People who exhibit serious personality and mental issues should be prevented from procreating. We need to streamline the process for financially solvent and upstanding married couples to adopt American children, rather than forcing those who want to adopt to look at Africa and Asia for that. It is prohibitively expensive and very slow to adopt an American child in most cases, which send folks looking overseas for more economical and assured results for their efforts. That needs to stop.

Grown women who get pregnant should be encouraged to keep their child, and helped with finding adoptive parents if that is needed. Young girls who get pregnant are still the responsibility of their parents, and the child should be raised by the family or placed for adoption. If a thirteen year old girl is getting pregnant, it shows a serious lack of attention by the parents in the vast majority of cases, which in no way justifies the murder of an innocent child to prevent the family from being inconvenienced.

Make people live with the consequences of their actions or lack thereof, and personal responsibility will make a comeback. My girls understood early on that if they got pregnant, childhood was over, and they would be expected to be a mother and provider to that child. They knew that I was not going to coddle them and blame it all on the father, and life would get real tough, real quick. They are in their twenties now, and neither has a child yet. Both value children enough that, if they got pregnant, abortion would not be an option. We have to be responsible, and like everything else we teach them, we have to pass on morals and responsibility to our children. And as a society, we have to create options for children who are the product of irresponsibility that do not include killing them before they ever have a chance at life. It may not be pretty always in the interim, but it needs to happen if we are to remain a viable society. A society that kills its children is destined for the dustbin of history.

I personally don't like abortion, but it is a medical issue between a woman and her doctor. There are many reasons why a woman wants an abortion, ranging from convenience to saving her life and all degrees in between. It is not my place to question her motives nor her doctor's.

I do find it interesting that many here on the 'fire rail at any any suggestion of government intervention into THEIR own person lives, but favor governmental intervention into this medical issue.

Anyone ever hear of birth control? Tax breaks for adoptions, how about better education, Even pay people to get "fixed" both women and men, all so many of these young people do not want any more children yet see no options, kids having sex is never going to end, but kids being pregnant can. We pay for their lifes choices one way or another, there are far better choices than abortion.

But that wasn't the question now was it ?