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Local story but wondering if anyone has more info?

https://k2radio.com/wells-fargo-sues-cody-firm-gunwerks-claims-it-owes-2-8-million/

Wow

Shooters want 1 mile out of the box nowadays.

Maybe they shoulda planned ahead.

The long lost art of creating a business slowly and growing it has fallen to the wayside unfortunately. Fake Future projections created by people with no business acumen enabled by even dumber greedy bankers.

That’s pretty funny.

So no more systems?

Davidson has always come across as a little prick if you ask me. Stiffing the bank is one thing, stiffing the gov't out of their taxes will land your happy asss in deep doodoo. They'll be history. Their $10k "systems" are a joke anyway.

Yep. See he has his own line of scopes now, Revic, $3500 a pop! Love his long hair nowadays!! 😂😂😂

he is just running the company like the NRA runs theirs

Not a good model.

A for profit turning into a no profit is a formula for ruin.

And fleecing the “sheep“ seems to be the current NRA business model, benefiting only top bureaucrats.

Until the board runs mgt, not the other way around, don’t pass the hat my way.

Board seems more window dressing, PR activists with no mgt authority.

DF

I am with you no more until some major changes are made. Cheers NC

They're still "systems" out there. You still have The Best of the West "system". Made for those that don't mount their own scopes.

Paying ten grand to have a rifle built is insane! Scam artist to the ‘inth’ degree!

Speaking of Revic does anyone have one? I watch their show regularly and all I see them use is NF scopes. It’s puzzling to me they spend all this time and effort promoting Revic scopes and all they use is NF.

Did he leave a post here earlier?

Or am I dreaming?

Must have deleted it.

DF

I have a few Revics, with the RT1 and RX1 reticles. Great optics I'll post a couple links below using them, I'm working on some reviews here soon...

I'll also post the official statement made by Gunwerks that they just released, sounds like more than a few here are uninformed.

GW statement
https://youtu.be/7iK7rEOyrZU

Revic usage.
https://youtu.be/DsliBXocv5M

In the Gunwriter forum, I believe. Burns started at least three separate threads about Wells Fargo vs. Gunwerks.

Thanks, found it.

Wish we knew the whole story, Burns vs Davidson.

DF

JG, I’ll go with your gut opinion on that bunch.

They don’t impress me, either. Not favorably, that is.

Don’t know all the facts, probably enough for now.

We’ll see how it plays out.

DF

Actually no its not, take 30% for profit and growth, that leaves you 7 grand to work with , @ $125.00 per hour shop rate and you have 56 hours of work time in building a high quality rifle and sighting system that is always ready to achieve a high level of accuracy in any temperatures. Not an easy task.

If you don't need one that's fine, I don't know anyone that needs a Ferrari but they sell as many of them as they can make.

I doubt any of us will get the whole story, and unless you have a vested interest then its really no one else's business but the buyers !

I wish them the best of luck, and still F~ck the banks !

Seems like your posting here is more about pimping your video......

If it takes them 56 hours to put a rifle together then that explains their money issues.

Actually D'Arcy Echols, Kenny Jarrett and others spend a lot of time developing a rifle, loads, etc, stuff most Loony types would do themselves.

And, those guys charge a real premium, an amount a self respecting Loony would never pay. But, there are those who want the package without doing any of the development or work. Unfortunately, many of those who don't want to do the development, don't want to put in the time at the range. Thus, they end up with more rifle than they can actually use effectively...

I guess there'll always be a market, although probably somewhat limited, for those services.

Maybe some smoke and mirrors included, but "buyer beware" is still a valid warning...

Spending a bunch doesn't make one a competent shooter, may actually be a hindrance, as there's no sub for experience.

Assuming because you have a very expensive rig put together by some guru, you are a LR shooter...

NOT!

DF

Price is what you pay, value is what you get.

So if you don't follow the terms of the loan what happens? I never thought much of Wells-Fargo. Be Well, Rustyzipper.

you see the press release

Tell Rev Al Sharpton this~

Dunno about their rifles, but somebody at Gunwerks could edit the hell out of a YouTube video.

Used to watch them with sound off.

Don't know about that jimy but if I had that kinda cash I'd have George Gardner of GAP build it and know I was getting my monies worth. MB

I disagree. Well, I agree you can get an equally functional rifle for a lot less money, but if buyers are willing to pay that much for the GW product, how is that GW's fault? They found a demand and filled it. That is not scamming. It's just good business.

How is John Burns business doing?

Did some shooting with a couple of Gunwerk's, customers last year, Their rifles and scopes were top notch, and they had a ton of their custom ammo,They had damn sure spent some money, but the guy's had not put in the time to learn their rifles and ammo, I think they thought they could buy what ever skill they needed, to shoot long range. they damn sure drank the Gunwerk's kool aid. Who was that said , there's a sucker born every day?? Rio7

Ask him he's been posting quite frequently

That would have been E P Barnum , (theres one born every minit).
Nice thing about videos is that they usualy turn out as they were intended to turn out.

DF,

I completely agree with you. The top brass at NRA needs to be fired and escorted to their vehicles. Mark O'Keefe would be a better leader than the bunch we have now. Ollie tried to move in on LaPierre and got ousted quickly. Chris Cox is gone also. The NRA needs leaders like Harlon Carter and Neal Knox. They lead the 1970s revolution and subsequently made the NRA better for a long time.

We don't need top leaders at the NRA wearing their $5000 dollar suits and taking African trophy hunts with their Blaser rifles.

Check out Wayne LaPierre's salary at the end of 2018.

https://www.charitywatch.org/top-charity-salaries

I can't see that the NRA has ever done anything but fearmonger to raise money, then support gun control legislation when it suited their purposes. Maybe it was different when the organization was first created.

I will keep on saying this: research it, and you will find that every unconstitutional gun law passed at the federal level has been supported by the NRA. Doesn't sound like a gun rights lobbying group to me.

In the Gunwriter forum, I believe. Burns started at least three separate threads about Wells Fargo vs. Gunwerks.
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Anyone who does business with the criminal conspiracy known as Wells Fargo Bank almost deserves what they get. I’m sure Gunwerks was able to get enough credit to pay WFB off. Davidson struck me as credible. I deal with banks all the time and it doesn’t surprise me that they don’t understand business.
On another note, $10+K for a custom rifle that includes a decent scope is NOT a rip-off by a Longshot.

I have $6.75K in my Anschütz 1727F with scope. And it’s a rimfire.

Their cost is not $125 an hour for their shop rate. You're accounting for profit twice.

Take the money and run. Might look off shore.

Links or you're a lying POS.

Just Sayin.



Please don't quote retards as if you agree.

It's unbecoming.

Thanks.




I make ARs and suppressors in todays market.

Do the math.

Burns

Maybe I should know this but I do not. What is the name of your company?? AR’s and suppressors are right up my alley.

https://wyomingarms.com/episode-24-...s-also-wyoming-arms-nephi-cole-know-now/

It would appear, he is with Wyoming Arms now.

looks like Gunwerks resolved the situation. Very happy to hear!
Aaron and Mike Davidson are great guys that build a complete rifle system that kicks butt.

Links for what? My response about the Gunwriter forum? That was regarding Aaron Davidson's post, in that forum, if you take the time to read the question posted and the response.

LINK1


Or, links for separate threads that you started about the same topic? OK, maybe you only started two, about Gunwerks?

LINK2

LINK3

Please accept my humble apology for claiming "at least 3", when it was only 2 threads

I accept your apology for being a Lying POS.

Please try and quit being a liar in the future.

Thanks.

Burns trolls Gunwerks publicly and 4th Point is the POS?

Haha! What a douche.

Do the math Burns.

Math is fun.

2 post unanswered in a thread means drunk poster talking to himself.

Congratulations?

A liar, for what?! The reference to the Gunwriter forum, or your 2 threads (OP) about Gunwerks?!

Don't answer until you're sober

Both.

You lied about me posting in the Gunwriter forum and you lied about me posting a least 3 threads in the Gunwriters forum.

You are a lying POS but hopefully your apology means you are trying to straighten out and quit your liar ways.

I am rooting for you to turn over a new leaf and quit being a lying POS.

Good Luck.

Burns, get some sleep and sober up before you post again!

I can't, in good conscience, continue this until you have a chance to re-read what has been posted with a clear head. I'll check back in the morning.

To be fair you didn't have much of a play after being shown to be a Lying POS but this one is particularly weak.

Congratulations?

Nothing gets past you Burns

If we didn't know better, one would think that this thread is more about John Burns and not Gunwerks and Aaron Davidson

LOL 2 instead of 3 still makes John Burns an idiot with a fake tan

LOL quoting BigStick is never not funny.

JohnBirns is a fuquing hoot!

John Squirms 😂

Hi John.

First time I’ve looked here in some time.

Nothing has improved

😂

But your post made me smile.

Good to hear from you, seriously.

Ankle biters gonna knip at ankles, just the way it is.

That’s ironic.

Glad to see you posting, Rick.

DF


Edited to add, Black Olives do Matter...

For those not knowing what I'm talking about, Google is your friend...

Absolutely! 😁

What a great job, I hope you receive your rewards ten forth !

Oldelkhunter just hit-the-nail right on the head.

Amen.

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There are two extreme ways to play poker:
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There are two extreme ways to grow a business:
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