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357 mag was a great man stopper for its time. By the late 80s and early 90s semi autos became the modern era fighting guns, the wonder nines with more capacity made there appearance. The semi automatic became more reliable which was a concern at the time. This became the new standard. Revolvers and cartridges commonly used declined. Never cared for 357. Mag but it was a great cartridge! The 14 shot Hi Power was designed and sold in 1935. Great fighting gun. The bullets back then sucked, unlike today. Who would have thought that guns made with recycled plastic would be popular.
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Well, come on you 40 Short and Weak guys, get in the game!
We've seen plenty of dead animal, big knife and high class booze pics from the .357 crowd. Time for y'all to post pics of your 40's with some supermarket chardonnay lying on a rainbow feather boa. Extra points for a really badass nail file... I fully expected to come home from work and find some .40's wrapped in feathers..or at least some sort of photographic retort from the .40 gang. And what do I get? Nuttin'. Hmmph. What mount is that?
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We need to have a consensus on the consensus of which is goodest. Good better goodest. I am of the opinion that the 9MM due to its atomicness is the most atomic. If we could have some videos and recovered bullets (projectiles) it would be nice. We need concreteness in the opinions of the opinionated. Being opinionated is okay as long as the opinions are based in videos and bullets. Where are our resident videographers when we desire them with their wealth of opinionated opinions? I have anguished in anguishing anguish over this and am sleepless in my nightly slumbering even though I try to relax in a relaxing way as I try to go to slumberating sleep.
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Carver custom , competition version .
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Well, come on you 40 Short and Weak guys, get in the game!
We've seen plenty of dead animal, big knife and high class booze pics from the .357 crowd. Time for y'all to post pics of your 40's with some supermarket chardonnay lying on a rainbow feather boa. Extra points for a really badass nail file... OK, I'll take the challenge. I'll have you know I actually killed a whitetail with my G23 a few years back. One shot kill. Headed back to camp just after dark and there at my turn is a small car with flashers on. Expecting car trouble I slowed and pulled off ahead of him as he stood to the side. Seems the vehicle ahead of him whacked a knot head and there it lay, head swaying, not able to do anything else. Guy would have finished it off he said but didn't have a gun. Didn't even have a knife. Didn't ask about a tire tool but doubt that too. So out comes King Glock to alleviate pain & suffering. 155 gr Silvertip between the eyes at hair burn range. No exit. Little Bitty flopped a bit and it was over. One shot kill. Last I saw was the guy figgering out how to get 50 lbs of veal in his car without spilling blood all over. But ".40 S&W one shot kill". That's the story. In that situation a 22lr would have done it too.
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Well, come on you 40 Short and Weak guys, get in the game!
We've seen plenty of dead animal, big knife and high class booze pics from the .357 crowd. Time for y'all to post pics of your 40's with some supermarket chardonnay lying on a rainbow feather boa. Extra points for a really badass nail file... OK, I'll take the challenge. I'll have you know I actually killed a whitetail with my G23 a few years back. One shot kill. Headed back to camp just after dark and there at my turn is a small car with flashers on. Expecting car trouble I slowed and pulled off ahead of him as he stood to the side. Seems the vehicle ahead of him whacked a knot head and there it lay, head swaying, not able to do anything else. Guy would have finished it off he said but didn't have a gun. Didn't even have a knife. Didn't ask about a tire tool but doubt that too. So out comes King Glock to alleviate pain & suffering. 155 gr Silvertip between the eyes at hair burn range. No exit. Little Bitty flopped a bit and it was over. One shot kill. Last I saw was the guy figgering out how to get 50 lbs of veal in his car without spilling blood all over. But ".40 S&W one shot kill". That's the story. In that situation a 22lr would have done it too. No it wouldn't. Only a 22lr placed through the brain stem will kill quickly. A knowing how to hit the brain stem is a skill requiring knowledge - which few possess. OTH, a big hole from a big bullet can destroy the brain stem from a lot of different angles and mistakes.
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Oh man. This thread has everything.
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Oh man. This thread has everything. Not quite, but now it does..
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Oh man. This thread has everything. Not quite, but now it does..
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Oh man. This thread has everything. Not quite, but now it does.. God bless America!
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And this is what old guys with shrunken genitals do - porn. Isn't there a sub-forum for this?
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And this is what old guys with shrunken genitals do - porn. Isn't there a sub-forum for this? If this is your idea of porn, you better stay down in your mommy's basement..
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery. Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
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A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Well, come on you 40 Short and Weak guys, get in the game!
We've seen plenty of dead animal, big knife and high class booze pics from the .357 crowd. Time for y'all to post pics of your 40's with some supermarket chardonnay lying on a rainbow feather boa. Extra points for a really badass nail file... OK, I'll take the challenge. I'll have you know I actually killed a whitetail with my G23 a few years back. One shot kill. Headed back to camp just after dark and there at my turn is a small car with flashers on. Expecting car trouble I slowed and pulled off ahead of him as he stood to the side. Seems the vehicle ahead of him whacked a knot head and there it lay, head swaying, not able to do anything else. Guy would have finished it off he said but didn't have a gun. Didn't even have a knife. Didn't ask about a tire tool but doubt that too. So out comes King Glock to alleviate pain & suffering. 155 gr Silvertip between the eyes at hair burn range. No exit. Little Bitty flopped a bit and it was over. One shot kill. Last I saw was the guy figgering out how to get 50 lbs of veal in his car without spilling blood all over. But ".40 S&W one shot kill". That's the story. In that situation a 22lr would have done it too. Nope, no way a .22 would have killed that deer as dead as the .40 did. But I think maybe a Gold Dot woulda made it deader yet.
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Now the fair question would have been, 40 vs 41............ 357s have their qualities, but I prefer this round in a rifle for 4-legged creatures, its a WHOLE other ballgame at 2,050 with a 158. Now the round does excel with the best loads for PD - but as noted capacity is the downside. To me the 40 is best with 165-180 unless a good cast 200. Size and weight can have their advantages. All depends on application. Hard to beat the Smith 357 triggers in SA mode. Yes, Colt's are nice, but not sure the guns are as durable. I'd gladly punch a deer or hog with a good load in an accurate 40 as I would a 357. Now put a 180 in a long barreled 357.......it changes things. All can work when good bullets destroy vitals.
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for years, the 125 gr 357 was the gold standard. revolvers are outdated now.
the 40 is, no doubt effective. wonder why it isn't more popular.
the biggest problem with revolvers is that you can't spray and pray and there isn't anywhere to mount a flashlight.
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40 S&W is by far the most used caliber by police nationwide, although a lot are going back to the 9mm..
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"Duty Pistol Calibers After a major shift initiated by the FBI just a few years ago, the 9mm reigns supreme as the standard duty caliber in issue handguns across the U.S., despite the fact that, almost 30 years ago, the same FBI pushed the development of the .40 Smith & Wesson cartridge as the ultimate law enforcement round. The .40 replaced the 10mm as the FBI’s ultimate cartridge and also sounded the death knell for the .38 Special revolver, which had been the standard since the 1900s. The 9mm is a reasonable choice as a duty round. The 9mm is reasonably powerful and accurate and is more mild-mannered than the .40. But what about the specific duty pistols and the ammunition that stokes them? Well, that’s the complicated part.: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/which-firearms-and-ammo-do-police-use/
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