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$100 that he is not convicted of 3rd degree homicide. Take the bet or run away?
You recently posted murder and manslaughter were the same so everyone knows your supposed legal expertise lol Rudy Giuliani is on FOX talking 2nd degree...
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$100 that he is not convicted of 3rd degree homicide. Take the bet or run away? You recently posted murder and manslaughter were the same so everyone knows your supposed legal expertise lol You think it's ugly now? Wait until they drop the charges based on the autopsy. They already have the preliminary autopsy and the DA would not have filed if he did not think the final report would confirm causation, even with drugs/alcohol on board. The DA (or his charging deputy or investigator) were present for the autopsy and have spoken personally with the forensic pathologist. Here is the statute. Can't find a free copy of the jury instruction on-line:
2019 Minnesota Statutes
Murder
609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years. I never said murder and manslaughter are the same. I said manslaughter is a form of homicide (unlawful killing) which it is. Sheer genius, that. Not at all. It was in response to a poster who didn't seem to understand that manslaughter was an unlawful killing.
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$100 that he is not convicted of 3rd degree homicide. Take the bet or run away? You recently posted murder and manslaughter were the same so everyone knows your supposed legal expertise lol You think it's ugly now? Wait until they drop the charges based on the autopsy. They already have the preliminary autopsy and the DA would not have filed if he did not think the final report would confirm causation, even with drugs/alcohol on board. The DA (or his charging deputy or investigator) were present for the autopsy and have spoken personally with the forensic pathologist. Here is the statute. Can't find a free copy of the jury instruction on-line:
2019 Minnesota Statutes
Murder
609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years. I never said murder and manslaughter are the same. I said manslaughter is a form of homicide (unlawful killing) which it is. Sheer genius, that. Not at all. It was in response to a poster who didn't seem to understand that manslaughter was an unlawful killing. Any “killing “ except in self defense or to defend those entitled to your protection is unlawful. Is it necessary that you continue to state the obvious as though it’s “news” ?
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Any “killing “ except in self defense or to defend those entitled to your protection is unlawful.
Is it necessary that you continue to state the obvious as though it’s “news” ? Reckon maybe it will turn out that Mr. Floyd died of a cardiac event or some other natural occurrence that may have some connection with the stress of a struggle with police? The restraint used on him may have a connection to his death but just wait until the dueling expert witnesses get through testifying. Reasonable doubt may surface. Prosecution has a big hill to climb.
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Any “killing “ except in self defense or to defend those entitled to your protection is unlawful.
Is it necessary that you continue to state the obvious as though it’s “news” ? Reckon maybe it will turn out that Mr. Floyd died of a cardiac event or some other natural occurrence that may have some connection with the stress of a struggle with police? The restraint used on him may have a connection to his death but just wait until the dueling expert witnesses get through testifying. Reasonable doubt may surface. Prosecution has a big hill to climb. Floyd died but Chauvin didn’t “kill “ him. There was no ‘intent ‘ to kill. Improper restraint ? Not if he was trained by the Minneapolis PD dept in that specific manner of restraint. Expert witness testimony will be interesting to hear. This should bring some howls from the SJWs.
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evince 1. to constitute outward evidence of 2.to display clearly; reveal
depraved 1. marked by corruption or evil; esp: perverted
Cops may have displayed indifference and tiredness toward a low income troublesome area and people but I wouldn't come close to saying they were "depraved".
USLegal: - Depravity of Mind Law and Legal Definition: "Depravity of mind refers to the state of mind which is contrary to justice, honesty or morality. Depravity of mind is a condition where there is a deviation or departure from the ordinary standards of honest, good morals, justice, or ethics as to be shocking to the moral sense of the society. Depravity of mind can also be described as an act of baseness, vileness, or depravity in the private and social duties which a person owes to another, or to a community." Maybe his attorney will argue his client owed it to the community to keep his knee on the man for minutes after it was confirmed he had no pulse. just incase Floyd was up to something sneaky.
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lol great job legal scholar evince 1. to constitute outward evidence of 2.to display clearly; reveal
depraved 1. marked by corruption or evil; esp: perverted
Cops may have displayed indifference and tiredness toward a low income troublesome area and people but I wouldn't come close to saying they were "depraved".
USLegal: - Depravity of Mind Law and Legal Definition: Depravity of mind refers to the state of mind which is contrary to justice, honesty or morality. Depravity of mind is a condition where there is a deviation or departure from the ordinary standards of honest, good morals, justice, or ethics as to be shocking to the moral sense of the society. Depravity of mind can also be described as an act of baseness, vileness, or depravity in the private and social duties which a person owes to another, or to a community.
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Ribka, tell us about your LE training standards
where you learnt to fear a man with no pulse.
How would you justify/argue that in court?...
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The reason for the rush to charge Chauvin has nothing to do with expecting to get him in court and everything to do with attempting to calm the rioters...
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Any “killing “ except in self defense or to defend those entitled to your protection is unlawful.
Is it necessary that you continue to state the obvious as though it’s “news” ? Reckon maybe it will turn out that Mr. Floyd died of a cardiac event or some other natural occurrence that may have some connection with the stress of a struggle with police? The restraint used on him may have a connection to his death but just wait until the dueling expert witnesses get through testifying. Reasonable doubt may surface. Prosecution has a big hill to climb. Floyd died but Chauvin didn’t “kill “ him. There was no ‘intent ‘ to kill. Improper restraint ? Not if he was trained by the Minneapolis PD dept in that specific manner of restraint. Expert witness testimony will be interesting to hear. This should bring some howls from the SJWs. There is no "intent to kill" requirement under the Minnesota statute.
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lol great job legal scholar evince 1. to constitute outward evidence of 2.to display clearly; reveal
depraved 1. marked by corruption or evil; esp: perverted
Cops may have displayed indifference and tiredness toward a low income troublesome area and people but I wouldn't come close to saying they were "depraved".
USLegal: - Depravity of Mind Law and Legal Definition: Depravity of mind refers to the state of mind which is contrary to justice, honesty or morality. Depravity of mind is a condition where there is a deviation or departure from the ordinary standards of honest, good morals, justice, or ethics as to be shocking to the moral sense of the society. Depravity of mind can also be described as an act of baseness, vileness, or depravity in the private and social duties which a person owes to another, or to a community. That tells us nothing. We need the Minnesota jury instruction. Anyone have it?
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lol great job legal scholar evince 1. to constitute outward evidence of 2.to display clearly; reveal
depraved 1. marked by corruption or evil; esp: perverted
Cops may have displayed indifference and tiredness toward a low income troublesome area and people but I wouldn't come close to saying they were "depraved".
USLegal: - Depravity of Mind Law and Legal Definition: Depravity of mind refers to the state of mind which is contrary to justice, honesty or morality. Depravity of mind is a condition where there is a deviation or departure from the ordinary standards of honest, good morals, justice, or ethics as to be shocking to the moral sense of the society. Depravity of mind can also be described as an act of baseness, vileness, or depravity in the private and social duties which a person owes to another, or to a community. That tells us nothing. We need the Minnesota jury instruction. Anyone have it? Do you have the completed Coroner’s report. “Intent “ has everything to do with how a death is charged. I shot towards you but I didn’t intend to harm or kill you. The gun was loaded, I didn’t tell you and you shot yourself. We can do this ad nauseum and that’s already been done here.
The degree of my privacy is no business of yours.
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lol great job legal scholar evince 1. to constitute outward evidence of 2.to display clearly; reveal
depraved 1. marked by corruption or evil; esp: perverted
Cops may have displayed indifference and tiredness toward a low income troublesome area and people but I wouldn't come close to saying they were "depraved".
USLegal: - Depravity of Mind Law and Legal Definition: Depravity of mind refers to the state of mind which is contrary to justice, honesty or morality. Depravity of mind is a condition where there is a deviation or departure from the ordinary standards of honest, good morals, justice, or ethics as to be shocking to the moral sense of the society. Depravity of mind can also be described as an act of baseness, vileness, or depravity in the private and social duties which a person owes to another, or to a community. That tells us nothing. We need the Minnesota jury instruction. Anyone have it? In what state will an unbiased jury be found for this trial ? What potential juror has not heard of this and has not formed an opinion on it ? I can see this going very high up the Courts chain.
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In what state will an unbiased jury be found for this trial ? Don’t they have Mennonites up there in Minnesota?
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That tells us nothing. We need the Minnesota jury instruction. Anyone have it?
It's right next to the body cam footage, eyewitness testimony, MPD training curriculum, and the officer's sworn statements.
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lol great job legal scholar evince 1. to constitute outward evidence of 2.to display clearly; reveal
depraved 1. marked by corruption or evil; esp: perverted
Cops may have displayed indifference and tiredness toward a low income troublesome area and people but I wouldn't come close to saying they were "depraved".
USLegal: - Depravity of Mind Law and Legal Definition: Depravity of mind refers to the state of mind which is contrary to justice, honesty or morality. Depravity of mind is a condition where there is a deviation or departure from the ordinary standards of honest, good morals, justice, or ethics as to be shocking to the moral sense of the society. Depravity of mind can also be described as an act of baseness, vileness, or depravity in the private and social duties which a person owes to another, or to a community. That tells us nothing. We need the Minnesota jury instruction. Anyone have it? Do you have the completed Coroner’s report. “Intent “ has everything to do with how a death is charged. I shot towards you but I didn’t intend to harm or kill you. The gun was loaded, I didn’t tell you and you shot yourself. We can do this ad nauseum and that’s already been done here. There is no "intent to kill" requirement under the Minnesota statute. Whether or not he intended to kill is irrelevant.
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lol great job legal scholar evince 1. to constitute outward evidence of 2.to display clearly; reveal
depraved 1. marked by corruption or evil; esp: perverted
Cops may have displayed indifference and tiredness toward a low income troublesome area and people but I wouldn't come close to saying they were "depraved".
USLegal: - Depravity of Mind Law and Legal Definition: Depravity of mind refers to the state of mind which is contrary to justice, honesty or morality. Depravity of mind is a condition where there is a deviation or departure from the ordinary standards of honest, good morals, justice, or ethics as to be shocking to the moral sense of the society. Depravity of mind can also be described as an act of baseness, vileness, or depravity in the private and social duties which a person owes to another, or to a community. That tells us nothing. We need the Minnesota jury instruction. Anyone have it? Do you have the completed Coroner’s report. “Intent “ has everything to do with how a death is charged. I shot towards you but I didn’t intend to harm or kill you. The gun was loaded, I didn’t tell you and you shot yourself. We can do this ad nauseum and that’s already been done here. There is no "intent to kill" requirement under the Minnesota statute. Whether or not he intended to kill is irrelevant. Making it all irrelevant so drop the charges.
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lol great job legal scholar evince 1. to constitute outward evidence of 2.to display clearly; reveal
depraved 1. marked by corruption or evil; esp: perverted
Cops may have displayed indifference and tiredness toward a low income troublesome area and people but I wouldn't come close to saying they were "depraved".
USLegal: - Depravity of Mind Law and Legal Definition: Depravity of mind refers to the state of mind which is contrary to justice, honesty or morality. Depravity of mind is a condition where there is a deviation or departure from the ordinary standards of honest, good morals, justice, or ethics as to be shocking to the moral sense of the society. Depravity of mind can also be described as an act of baseness, vileness, or depravity in the private and social duties which a person owes to another, or to a community. That tells us nothing. We need the Minnesota jury instruction. Anyone have it? Do you have the completed Coroner’s report. “Intent “ has everything to do with how a death is charged. I shot towards you but I didn’t intend to harm or kill you. The gun was loaded, I didn’t tell you and you shot yourself. We can do this ad nauseum and that’s already been done here. There is no "intent to kill" requirement under the Minnesota statute. Whether or not he intended to kill is irrelevant. Making it all irrelevant so drop the charges. No. You can be found guilty of Murder 3 in Minnesota without having an intent to kill.
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Lets bet on that 3rd degree charge then legal scholar. lol great job legal scholar evince 1. to constitute outward evidence of 2.to display clearly; reveal
depraved 1. marked by corruption or evil; esp: perverted
Cops may have displayed indifference and tiredness toward a low income troublesome area and people but I wouldn't come close to saying they were "depraved".
USLegal: - Depravity of Mind Law and Legal Definition: Depravity of mind refers to the state of mind which is contrary to justice, honesty or morality. Depravity of mind is a condition where there is a deviation or departure from the ordinary standards of honest, good morals, justice, or ethics as to be shocking to the moral sense of the society. Depravity of mind can also be described as an act of baseness, vileness, or depravity in the private and social duties which a person owes to another, or to a community. That tells us nothing. We need the Minnesota jury instruction. Anyone have it? Do you have the completed Coroner’s report. “Intent “ has everything to do with how a death is charged. I shot towards you but I didn’t intend to harm or kill you. The gun was loaded, I didn’t tell you and you shot yourself. We can do this ad nauseum and that’s already been done here. There is no "intent to kill" requirement under the Minnesota statute. Whether or not he intended to kill is irrelevant. Making it all irrelevant so drop the charges. No. You can be found guilty of Murder 3 in Minnesota without having an intent to kill.
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Are you saying there is an "intent to kill" requirement?
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