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Just saw a report on Fox that said that an independent autopsy on Mr. Floyd, requested by the family, indicates that asphyxiation from direct neck compession was the primary cause of death in his case. This seems to be in direct contraindication to the preliminary findings reported by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner. This cannot be so and not taking sides here. Hennepin County, in this case, got the body early enough they should have been able to make some very accurate determination as to the probable cause of death. Death by asphyxiation is not uncommon and the pathological findings are well known to pathologists.
Once again, not taking sides here but at minimum the medical professionals involved here should have a little peer review to sort things out for society, if nothing else. To do nothing is to just stoke the fires of conspiracy and distrust which are already burning out of control for many. We are not even into the "real" fire season yet and still have a contentious election ahead as well as waiting to see if the Corona virus (covid-19) comes back with a vengeance in the fall like the Spanish flu did in 1918 and killed 675K Americans and an estimated 50 million worldwide. They were not fudging those numbers for .gov $ back then as is likely now and it did take the lives of 2 of my great-grandfathers who had been healthy in their late 30's/early 40's.
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Michael Baden is a pretty good pathologist, and VERY good publicity hound. I'd take his findings with a good sized grain of salt, as well as the government-paid pathologists who are probably playing defense against the avalanche of lawsuits they know are coming. The truth is probably somewhere in between the two extremes we've seen so far. Jerry
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Baden is a hired gun,he finds what he's paid to find.
He testified on behalf of O.J. Simpson.
I don't trust this guy to tell the truth.
PS: He's also 85 and may be suffering mental decline.
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What Sporting said. Hired gun. It's his "expert opinion." With enough money, you can find an expert to say what ever you want.
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We will not know the truth until the toxicology reports are released about any potential impairment of Mr. Floyd at time of death.
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We will not know the truth until the toxicology reports are released about any potential impairment of Mr. Floyd at time of death. I believe this to be the key to answers. Hasbeen
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Where the hell was Renegade on this news scoop?
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Where the hell was Renegade on this news scoop? He got out Jimmy Olsened.
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Baden is a hired gun,he finds what he's paid to find. This.
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Where the hell was Renegade on this news scoop? He got out Jimmy Olsened. And VarmitGuy has completely mailed it in.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
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I bet she would have nothing more than mothers' milk and vitamins in George's blood along with the lack of oxygen.
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Just saw a report on Fox that said that an independent autopsy on Mr. Floyd, requested by the family, indicates that asphyxiation from direct neck compession was the primary cause of death in his case. This seems to be in direct contraindication to the preliminary findings reported by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner. This cannot be so and not taking sides here. Hennepin County, in this case, got the body early enough they should have been able to make some very accurate determination as to the probable cause of death. Death by asphyxiation is not uncommon and the pathological findings are well known to pathologists.
Once again, not taking sides here but at minimum the medical professionals involved here should have a little peer review to sort things out for society, if nothing else. To do nothing is to just stoke the fires of conspiracy and distrust which are already burning out of control for many. We are not even into the "real" fire season yet and still have a contentious election ahead as well as waiting to see if the Corona virus (covid-19) comes back with a vengeance in the fall like the Spanish flu did in 1918 and killed 675K Americans and an estimated 50 million worldwide. They were not fudging those numbers for .gov $ back then as is likely now and it did take the lives of 2 of my great-grandfathers who had been healthy in their late 30's/early 40's.
Hoping for a peaceful remainder to 2020 for ALL Americans. It was not an independent autopsy as the media is claiming. The forensic docs were hired by Floyd's attorney.
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I kind of seriously doubt that either autopsy report will be the deciding factor in a trial.
There is no disputing the video evidence that Floyd complained he could not breathe, that he lost consciousness, that Chauvin continued to use the force that caused Floyd's complaint and loss of consciousness for almost three more minutes and that Floyd dies as a result. It isn't going to matter a whole lot to a jury. Regardless of pre-existing medical conditions, Floyd was in custody, handcuffed and under control of the arresting officers. At that point, his welfare was in their hands. They had assumed control of him and the situation and it sure as hell looks like they failed to exercise due care with Floyd's life. Did he die from a heart attack, an aneurysm burst, a stroke or whatever, the cause will almost certainly be judged to be the application of force causing whatever it was that killed him. That is certainly going to be one of the prosecution's arguments. The prosecutor will be able to find a doctor willing to state that had Floyd been released the first time he said he could not breathe he would be alive now.
What the jury brings into the courthouse with them will likely be every bit as determinant as the evidence presented to them.
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Just saw a report on Fox that said that an independent autopsy on Mr. Floyd, requested by the family, indicates that asphyxiation from direct neck compession was the primary cause of death in his case. This seems to be in direct contraindication to the preliminary findings reported by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner. This cannot be so and not taking sides here. Hennepin County, in this case, got the body early enough they should have been able to make some very accurate determination as to the probable cause of death. Death by asphyxiation is not uncommon and the pathological findings are well known to pathologists.
Once again, not taking sides here but at minimum the medical professionals involved here should have a little peer review to sort things out for society, if nothing else. To do nothing is to just stoke the fires of conspiracy and distrust which are already burning out of control for many. We are not even into the "real" fire season yet and still have a contentious election ahead as well as waiting to see if the Corona virus (covid-19) comes back with a vengeance in the fall like the Spanish flu did in 1918 and killed 675K Americans and an estimated 50 million worldwide. They were not fudging those numbers for .gov $ back then as is likely now and it did take the lives of 2 of my great-grandfathers who had been healthy in their late 30's/early 40's.
Hoping for a peaceful remainder to 2020 for ALL Americans. Was there any doubt that was what he was going to find, it's what he was PAID to find.
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Just saw a report on Fox that said that an independent autopsy on Mr. Floyd, requested by the family, indicates that asphyxiation from direct neck compession was the primary cause of death in his case. This seems to be in direct contraindication to the preliminary findings reported by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner. This cannot be so and not taking sides here. Hennepin County, in this case, got the body early enough they should have been able to make some very accurate determination as to the probable cause of death. Death by asphyxiation is not uncommon and the pathological findings are well known to pathologists.
Once again, not taking sides here but at minimum the medical professionals involved here should have a little peer review to sort things out for society, if nothing else. To do nothing is to just stoke the fires of conspiracy and distrust which are already burning out of control for many. We are not even into the "real" fire season yet and still have a contentious election ahead as well as waiting to see if the Corona virus (covid-19) comes back with a vengeance in the fall like the Spanish flu did in 1918 and killed 675K Americans and an estimated 50 million worldwide. They were not fudging those numbers for .gov $ back then as is likely now and it did take the lives of 2 of my great-grandfathers who had been healthy in their late 30's/early 40's.
Hoping for a peaceful remainder to 2020 for ALL Americans. Was there any doubt that was what he was going to find, it's what he was PAID to find. For the monetary settlement that will follow all of this.
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Sunavabytch...
This woulda been a good scoop.
85 yr old paid for opinon coroner with burnt toast for brains. Hired by the sweepstakes winner relatives of a dead cuffed groid, that 4 Idiot cops couldnt handle and get to fughing booking...
As cities burn........
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Gen forum full of it also. Tired of posting about it.
Only thing we can do is vote and get like minded people out to vote also when ya think about it. Conservative voter apathy is a problem . Especially in close swing states. Get people out to vote guys. Buy em lunch or whatever.
Liberal Socialist Democrats have the schit down pat. Now with potential mail in schit they want. It's just gonna get worse. No conservative minded person should fail to vote ever. Voting is the only thing we have to fight back right now.
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I kind of seriously doubt that either autopsy report will be the deciding factor in a trial.
There is no disputing the video evidence that Floyd complained he could not breathe, that he lost consciousness, that Chauvin continued to use the force that caused Floyd's complaint and loss of consciousness for almost three more minutes and that Floyd dies as a result. It isn't going to matter a whole lot to a jury. Regardless of pre-existing medical conditions, Floyd was in custody, handcuffed and under control of the arresting officers. At that point, his welfare was in their hands. They had assumed control of him and the situation and it sure as hell looks like they failed to exercise due care with Floyd's life. Did he die from a heart attack, an aneurysm burst, a stroke or whatever, the cause will almost certainly be judged to be the application of force causing whatever it was that killed him. That is certainly going to be one of the prosecution's arguments. The prosecutor will be able to find a doctor willing to state that had Floyd been released the first time he said he could not breathe he would be alive now.
What the jury brings into the courthouse with them will likely be every bit as determinant as the evidence presented to them. OK, with all that said and if it is true that the restraint caused or more likely contributed to Floyd's death, can you get a murder conviction out of that?
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