Just saw a report on Fox that said that an independent autopsy on Mr. Floyd, requested by the family, indicates that asphyxiation from direct neck compession was the primary cause of death in his case. This seems to be in direct contraindication to the preliminary findings reported by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner. This cannot be so and not taking sides here. Hennepin County, in this case, got the body early enough they should have been able to make some very accurate determination as to the probable cause of death. Death by asphyxiation is not uncommon and the pathological findings are well known to pathologists.
Once again, not taking sides here but at minimum the medical professionals involved here should have a little peer review to sort things out for society, if nothing else. To do nothing is to just stoke the fires of conspiracy and distrust which are already burning out of control for many. We are not even into the "real" fire season yet and still have a contentious election ahead as well as waiting to see if the Corona virus (covid-19) comes back with a vengeance in the fall like the Spanish flu did in 1918 and killed 675K Americans and an estimated 50 million worldwide. They were not fudging those numbers for .gov $ back then as is likely now and it did take the lives of 2 of my great-grandfathers who had been healthy in their late 30's/early 40's.
Hoping for a peaceful remainder to 2020 for ALL Americans.
Michael Baden is a pretty good pathologist, and VERY good publicity hound. I'd take his findings with a good sized grain of salt, as well as the government-paid pathologists who are probably playing defense against the avalanche of lawsuits they know are coming. The truth is probably somewhere in between the two extremes we've seen so far.
Jerry
Baden is a hired gun,he finds what he's paid to find.
He testified on behalf of O.J. Simpson.
I don't trust this guy to tell the truth.
PS: He's also 85 and may be suffering mental decline.
What Sporting said. Hired gun. It's his "expert opinion." With enough money, you can find an expert to say what ever you want.
We will not know the truth until the toxicology reports are released about any potential impairment of Mr. Floyd at time of death.
We will not know the truth until the toxicology reports are released about any potential impairment of Mr. Floyd at time of death.
I believe this to be the key to answers. Hasbeen
Where the hell was Renegade on this news scoop?
Where the hell was Renegade on this news scoop?
He got out Jimmy Olsened.
Baden is a hired gun,he finds what he's paid to find.
This.
My attorney tells everybody I'm a nice person.
Where the hell was Renegade on this news scoop?
He got out Jimmy Olsened.
And VarmitGuy has completely mailed it in.
Cocaine, meth, heroin, and high amounts of Colt 45 beer. In other words, routine
Was on a murder trial in about '04 on a shaken baby case. We convicted in very short order... the defense found an MD willing to state she thought it was impossible to shake a baby hard enough to kill it. Setting aside the fact it was an infant and a 260 pound body builder it seemed wild to listen to anyone think such a ridiculous thing...
I bet she would have nothing more than mothers' milk and vitamins in George's blood along with the lack of oxygen.
Just saw a report on Fox that said that an independent autopsy on Mr. Floyd, requested by the family, indicates that asphyxiation from direct neck compession was the primary cause of death in his case. This seems to be in direct contraindication to the preliminary findings reported by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner. This cannot be so and not taking sides here. Hennepin County, in this case, got the body early enough they should have been able to make some very accurate determination as to the probable cause of death. Death by asphyxiation is not uncommon and the pathological findings are well known to pathologists.
Once again, not taking sides here but at minimum the medical professionals involved here should have a little peer review to sort things out for society, if nothing else. To do nothing is to just stoke the fires of conspiracy and distrust which are already burning out of control for many. We are not even into the "real" fire season yet and still have a contentious election ahead as well as waiting to see if the Corona virus (covid-19) comes back with a vengeance in the fall like the Spanish flu did in 1918 and killed 675K Americans and an estimated 50 million worldwide. They were not fudging those numbers for .gov $ back then as is likely now and it did take the lives of 2 of my great-grandfathers who had been healthy in their late 30's/early 40's.
Hoping for a peaceful remainder to 2020 for ALL Americans.
It was not an independent autopsy as the media is claiming. The forensic docs were hired by Floyd's attorney.
I kind of seriously doubt that either autopsy report will be the deciding factor in a trial.
There is no disputing the video evidence that Floyd complained he could not breathe, that he lost consciousness, that Chauvin continued to use the force that caused Floyd's complaint and loss of consciousness for almost three more minutes and that Floyd dies as a result. It isn't going to matter a whole lot to a jury. Regardless of pre-existing medical conditions, Floyd was in custody, handcuffed and under control of the arresting officers. At that point, his welfare was in their hands. They had assumed control of him and the situation and it sure as hell looks like they failed to exercise due care with Floyd's life. Did he die from a heart attack, an aneurysm burst, a stroke or whatever, the cause will almost certainly be judged to be the application of force causing whatever it was that killed him. That is certainly going to be one of the prosecution's arguments. The prosecutor will be able to find a doctor willing to state that had Floyd been released the first time he said he could not breathe he would be alive now.
What the jury brings into the courthouse with them will likely be every bit as determinant as the evidence presented to them.
Just saw a report on Fox that said that an independent autopsy on Mr. Floyd, requested by the family, indicates that asphyxiation from direct neck compession was the primary cause of death in his case. This seems to be in direct contraindication to the preliminary findings reported by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner. This cannot be so and not taking sides here. Hennepin County, in this case, got the body early enough they should have been able to make some very accurate determination as to the probable cause of death. Death by asphyxiation is not uncommon and the pathological findings are well known to pathologists.
Once again, not taking sides here but at minimum the medical professionals involved here should have a little peer review to sort things out for society, if nothing else. To do nothing is to just stoke the fires of conspiracy and distrust which are already burning out of control for many. We are not even into the "real" fire season yet and still have a contentious election ahead as well as waiting to see if the Corona virus (covid-19) comes back with a vengeance in the fall like the Spanish flu did in 1918 and killed 675K Americans and an estimated 50 million worldwide. They were not fudging those numbers for .gov $ back then as is likely now and it did take the lives of 2 of my great-grandfathers who had been healthy in their late 30's/early 40's.
Hoping for a peaceful remainder to 2020 for ALL Americans.
Was there any doubt that was what he was going to find, it's what he was PAID to find.
Just saw a report on Fox that said that an independent autopsy on Mr. Floyd, requested by the family, indicates that asphyxiation from direct neck compession was the primary cause of death in his case. This seems to be in direct contraindication to the preliminary findings reported by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner. This cannot be so and not taking sides here. Hennepin County, in this case, got the body early enough they should have been able to make some very accurate determination as to the probable cause of death. Death by asphyxiation is not uncommon and the pathological findings are well known to pathologists.
Once again, not taking sides here but at minimum the medical professionals involved here should have a little peer review to sort things out for society, if nothing else. To do nothing is to just stoke the fires of conspiracy and distrust which are already burning out of control for many. We are not even into the "real" fire season yet and still have a contentious election ahead as well as waiting to see if the Corona virus (covid-19) comes back with a vengeance in the fall like the Spanish flu did in 1918 and killed 675K Americans and an estimated 50 million worldwide. They were not fudging those numbers for .gov $ back then as is likely now and it did take the lives of 2 of my great-grandfathers who had been healthy in their late 30's/early 40's.
Hoping for a peaceful remainder to 2020 for ALL Americans.
Was there any doubt that was what he was going to find, it's what he was PAID to find.
For the monetary settlement that will follow all of this.
Sunavabytch...
This woulda been a good scoop.
85 yr old paid for opinon coroner with burnt toast for brains.
Hired by the sweepstakes winner relatives of a dead cuffed groid, that 4 Idiot cops couldnt handle and get to fughing booking...
As cities burn........
Cleaned( didnt need it) and regreased the Type 3 today.
Played around with the Makarov.
Tinkered around with the shotgun stock project.
Ole lady got home from work.
Said she wanted to mow the front yard. ( go for it babe!!)
Been watching TV
Staying away from watching urban Liberal Socialist Democrat riot schitt.
Gen forum full of it also.
Tired of posting about it.
Only thing we can do is vote and get like minded people out to vote also when ya think about it.
Conservative voter apathy is a problem .
Especially in close swing states.
Get people out to vote guys.
Buy em lunch or whatever.
Liberal Socialist Democrats have the schit down pat.
Now with potential mail in schit they want.
It's just gonna get worse.
No conservative minded person should fail to vote ever.
Voting is the only thing we have to fight back right now.
Cause decent respectable people dont fugging riot.
Otherwise than that
Buy cheap
Stack deep..
Deep thoughts from a dikhead......
LOL!!!!
I kind of seriously doubt that either autopsy report will be the deciding factor in a trial.
There is no disputing the video evidence that Floyd complained he could not breathe, that he lost consciousness, that Chauvin continued to use the force that caused Floyd's complaint and loss of consciousness for almost three more minutes and that Floyd dies as a result. It isn't going to matter a whole lot to a jury. Regardless of pre-existing medical conditions, Floyd was in custody, handcuffed and under control of the arresting officers. At that point, his welfare was in their hands. They had assumed control of him and the situation and it sure as hell looks like they failed to exercise due care with Floyd's life. Did he die from a heart attack, an aneurysm burst, a stroke or whatever, the cause will almost certainly be judged to be the application of force causing whatever it was that killed him. That is certainly going to be one of the prosecution's arguments. The prosecutor will be able to find a doctor willing to state that had Floyd been released the first time he said he could not breathe he would be alive now.
What the jury brings into the courthouse with them will likely be every bit as determinant as the evidence presented to them.
OK, with all that said and if it is true that the restraint caused or more likely contributed to Floyd's death, can you get a murder conviction out of that?
My attorney tells everybody I'm a nice person.
Until the check bounces.
I've got friends in low places too.
As expected from both sides
It was not an independent autopsy as the media is claiming. The forensic docs were hired by Floyd's attorney.
lol
I kind of seriously doubt that either autopsy report will be the deciding factor in a trial.
There is no disputing the video evidence that Floyd complained he could not breathe, that he lost consciousness, that Chauvin continued to use the force that caused Floyd's complaint and loss of consciousness for almost three more minutes and that Floyd dies as a result. It isn't going to matter a whole lot to a jury. Regardless of pre-existing medical conditions, Floyd was in custody, handcuffed and under control of the arresting officers. At that point, his welfare was in their hands. They had assumed control of him and the situation and it sure as hell looks like they failed to exercise due care with Floyd's life. Did he die from a heart attack, an aneurysm burst, a stroke or whatever, the cause will almost certainly be judged to be the application of force causing whatever it was that killed him. That is certainly going to be one of the prosecution's arguments. The prosecutor will be able to find a doctor willing to state that had Floyd been released the first time he said he could not breathe he would be alive now.
What the jury brings into the courthouse with them will likely be every bit as determinant as the evidence presented to them.
OK, with all that said and if it is true that the restraint caused or more likely contributed to Floyd's death, can you get a murder conviction out of that?
I doubt it.
Just like the Rodney King mess, the state won't be able to do it, but like the George Gwaltney case if the fed steps in things will be different
The full (no longer preliminary) Hennepin County Medical Examiner Office's (HCME) report was released today, saying the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bringm...ases-new-cause-of-death-for-george-floyd
Guess that is the determination his supporters paid for
Just saw a report on Fox that said that an independent autopsy on Mr. Floyd, requested by the family, indicates that asphyxiation from direct neck compession was the primary cause of death in his case. This seems to be in direct contraindication to the preliminary findings reported by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner. This cannot be so and not taking sides here. Hennepin County, in this case, got the body early enough they should have been able to make some very accurate determination as to the probable cause of death. Death by asphyxiation is not uncommon and the pathological findings are well known to pathologists.
Once again, not taking sides here but at minimum the medical professionals involved here should have a little peer review to sort things out for society, if nothing else. To do nothing is to just stoke the fires of conspiracy and distrust which are already burning out of control for many. We are not even into the "real" fire season yet and still have a contentious election ahead as well as waiting to see if the Corona virus (covid-19) comes back with a vengeance in the fall like the Spanish flu did in 1918 and killed 675K Americans and an estimated 50 million worldwide. They were not fudging those numbers for .gov $ back then as is likely now and it did take the lives of 2 of my great-grandfathers who had been healthy in their late 30's/early 40's.
Hoping for a peaceful remainder to 2020 for ALL Americans.
Was there any doubt that was what he was going to find, it's what he was PAID to find.
You are speaking about the first "autopsy," of course.
You are speaking about the first "legal and legitimate autopsy," of course.
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Baden is a hired gun,he finds what he's paid to find.
He testified on behalf of O.J. Simpson.
I don't trust this guy to tell the truth.
PS: He's also 85 and may be suffering mental decline.
Or it could be as simple as Baden is telling the truth. Sometimes the truth doesn’t fit the narrative of the fire Clan
And If 85 signals mental decline, the fire is in big trouble that’s 2/3 of the fire faithful .
And If 85 signals mental decline, the fire is in big trouble that’s 2/3 of the fire faithful .
LMAO
Baden is a hired gun,he finds what he's paid to find.
This.
He's was a Med Examiner for the OJ Simpson Dream Team. Rotten to the core.
g
Still doesn't change the fact that cop killed that guy. Anyone that watches that video from beginning to end and doesn't come up with that conclusion is f'ing delusional. Its almost comical the level of blinders some guys have on here haha. In no way shape or form do i endorse ANY of this BS going on in these cities but 100000% that cop killed that man. "Well you don't deal with those animals all day like he did". Quit then. If you cant mentally handle yourself in a job its time to move on.
Still doesn't change the fact that cop killed that guy. Anyone that watches that video from beginning to end and doesn't come up with that conclusion is f'ing delusional. Its almost comical the level of blinders some guys have on here haha. In no way shape or form do i endorse ANY of this BS going on in these cities but 100000% that cop killed that man. "Well you don't deal with those animals all day like he did". Quit then. If you cant mentally handle yourself in a job its time to move on.
I think you're on to something. I think cops all across the country should quit. Just say [bleep] it and leave the chit just the way it is. You deal with it.
My personal experience with expert medical witnesses echoes what has been insinuated by others here and that is they will "say" or "find" what they are being paid to "say" or "find", not necessarily teasing out the truth. It becomes all about the $ like so many other things in life, not so much about truth, professionalism, and integrity.
I was involved in a case 20+ years ago that ended up as part of a lawsuit, first against me, but soon involved all of the physicians involved in the patient's care. The finger pointing began and soon there were depositions and expert witnesses everywhere. To make a long story short, my attorney insisted that I fly back east to Washington DC to be present for an expert witness deposition (from my specialty for the plaintiff) just so I could protect my interests, look the "expert" in the eye during testimony, and help guide my attorneys questions for the "expert." She felt like it was helpful and made the "expert" think a liitle more before he spoke for the record in front of his peer! All I know is that I have never really cared about going back to DC again! It was just a "game of chess" for them; much more than that for me!!!
The problem here is much more than a potential lawsuit and $ figure for the family of the deceased, attorneys, and "experts." This about the health of the Country, the integrity and strength of the law, and the future of not just race relations but relationships between generations of Americans as well.
There are bad actors in all societal groups in general, the wealthy, the poor, black, white, purple, politicians, LEOs, attorneys, physicians, etc.
If we are at a point however where the "bad" now rival or outnumber the "good" then our personal experience with the "experiment" of an acknowledged "imperfect" free civil democracy may soon be another footnote in the annals of human history.
Still doesn't change the fact that cop killed that guy. Anyone that watches that video from beginning to end and doesn't come up with that conclusion is f'ing delusional. Its almost comical the level of blinders some guys have on here haha. In no way shape or form do i endorse ANY of this BS going on in these cities but 100000% that cop killed that man. "Well you don't deal with those animals all day like he did". Quit then. If you cant mentally handle yourself in a job its time to move on.
I think you're on to something. I think cops all across the country should quit. Just say [bleep] it and leave the chit just the way it is. You deal with it.
Look for the “new normal “ of just stand by and then fill out the report.
say what you want, but this was a no-brainer
Baden is on Hannity now...this conclusion was like falling off a log
Anyone read the link???
Fentanyl and methamphetamine in him .
Per that link......
4 cops shoulda still have been able to get a cuffed groid to booking and let them deal with him....
Instead
Anarchy reins in schit hole Liberal Socialist Democrat cities.
Cause for some reason 4 cops couldnt " handle" a cuffed groid.
Gave him the horizontal heave ho into a squad car back seat in a expedituos manner.
And he kicked the bucket all recorded on a smart phone for the world to see....
JFC.....
What steaming pile of schit from it all........
I kind of seriously doubt that either autopsy report will be the deciding factor in a trial.
There is no disputing the video evidence that Floyd complained he could not breathe, that he lost consciousness, that Chauvin continued to use the force that caused Floyd's complaint and loss of consciousness for almost three more minutes and that Floyd dies as a result. It isn't going to matter a whole lot to a jury. Regardless of pre-existing medical conditions, Floyd was in custody, handcuffed and under control of the arresting officers. At that point, his welfare was in their hands. They had assumed control of him and the situation and it sure as hell looks like they failed to exercise due care with Floyd's life. Did he die from a heart attack, an aneurysm burst, a stroke or whatever, the cause will almost certainly be judged to be the application of force causing whatever it was that killed him. That is certainly going to be one of the prosecution's arguments. The prosecutor will be able to find a doctor willing to state that had Floyd been released the first time he said he could not breathe he would be alive now.
What the jury brings into the courthouse with them will likely be every bit as determinant as the evidence presented to them.
OK, with all that said and if it is true that the restraint caused or more likely contributed to Floyd's death, can you get a murder conviction out of that?
I think it will be enough. They arrested him. They handcuffed him. They placed him in the back of a squad car. They forcibly removed him from from the squad car. They placed him face down on the pavement. One man placed his knee and what appeared to be all his weight on his neck. Another man placed both his knees on his back and all his weight. The restrained Floyd was obviously incapacitated to some degree apparently from drugs, alcohol or perhaps both. The officers had a due care obligation to do no more harm than was absolutely necessary to subdue Floyd. With Floyd at no point in any of the video(s) showing any significant degree of resistance, AND with the officers continuing to keep their weight on their respective positions until nearly 3 minutes after Floyd became unconscious, I think they will be very lucky to avoid conviction. It will be hard to not come to the conclusion that the officers did not let up until Floyd was well and truly dead to their satisfaction. Not only did Floyd not offer any observed significant resistance, but he did appear to be sufficiently impaired so as to be largely incapable of offering much if any resistance.
I think this will be an uphill fight for the defense attorneys to keep their clients out of jail. Those videos will make it very hard to dispute the above facts. The best hope they have is that Floyd started kicking the hell out of the back seat of the squad car and that they had to remove him to put a stop to that. In which case that squad car should show some pretty significant damage, and they have that as evidence of that necessity. What we do not know is what the witnesses will describe about Floyd's and the officers actions.
That is one point that is hard to get past. Floyd became unresponsive, and still the cops retained the pressure on his neck for 3 minutes more.
For all they knew, at the point at which he became unresponsive, his heart had stopped.
I am an old paramedic and it makes my skin crawl to see a patient restrained when he is obviously unconscious.
Still doesn't change the fact that cop killed that guy. Anyone that watches that video from beginning to end and doesn't come up with that conclusion is f'ing delusional. Its almost comical the level of blinders some guys have on here haha. In no way shape or form do i endorse ANY of this BS going on in these cities but 100000% that cop killed that man. "Well you don't deal with those animals all day like he did". Quit then. If you cant mentally handle yourself in a job its time to move on.
I wouldn't say the cops killed Mr. Floyd and I sure don't believe they intended to kill him. But I do believe nobody should make a 20 to 30 year career out of being a policeman. No way it can be done without some serious effects, mostly mental. You can't do it without emotionally detaching yourself as concerns empathy for human suffering. At most I would say a 5 to 7 year hitch and then move on to something else. Maybe we could have something like a national police training, send the graduates out to local departments, and then a G.I. Bill type transition to something else.
All of our counties and cities populated and enforced by Fed Cops? I can't see anything going wrong with that. Sarcasm off.
I wouldn't say the cops killed Mr. Floyd and I sure don't believe they intended to kill him.
He was alive and talking to them while on the ground. WHO THE FUGG DO YOU THINK DID KILL HIM???
I do not believe they started out intending to kill him. I also do not believe they were concerned in the least if they did kill him, that would seem pretty obvious in that almost three minutes elapsed from the time he went unconscious until they ceased killing him. Regardless of the amount of intoxicants, regardless of his resistance, it is pretty obvious that no matter how you cut it, they did kill him and that any intoxicants were at that point only contributing factors. In the videos it is pretty clear that he went down and out in a gradual manner and that before he became unconscious that he had ceased any attempt at movement.
Please explain who you think did kill Floyd.
You do know that opioid overdose shuts down the respiratory system and you stop breathing? Hint: Fentanyl
He was a good boy, finally getting his life together.
Still doesn't change the fact that cop killed that guy. Anyone that watches that video from beginning to end and doesn't come up with that conclusion is f'ing delusional. Its almost comical the level of blinders some guys have on here haha. In no way shape or form do i endorse ANY of this BS going on in these cities but 100000% that cop killed that man. "Well you don't deal with those animals all day like he did". Quit then. If you cant mentally handle yourself in a job its time to move on.
I wouldn't say the cops killed Mr. Floyd and I sure don't believe they intended to kill him. But I do believe nobody should make a 20 to 30 year career out of being a policeman. No way it can be done without some serious effects, mostly mental. You can't do it without emotionally detaching yourself as concerns empathy for human suffering. At most I would say a 5 to 7 year hitch and then move on to something else. Maybe we could have something like a national police training, send the graduates out to local departments, and then a G.I. Bill type transition to something else.
I couldn’t do it.
You do know that opioid overdose shuts down the respiratory system and you stop breathing? Hint: Fentanyl
Leaving aside everything else, do you understand the word homicide? The killing of one person by another. The ME has already made a finding that Floyd died as a result of homicide. That more or less ends foolish discussion. The questions remain of who did the homicide, how, and why. Only those questions. That's why I asked Hastings who he thought did kill Floyd. Maybe he has seen something I missed and someone else may be responsible. I did not see impairment to the point of losing consciousness in Floyd in any of the videos. I the intoxication to that point was observed by anyone then I would like an explanation how a man on the verge of losing consciousness would need 9 minutes of extreme restraint by 3 men on top of him.
Still doesn't change the fact that cop killed that guy. Anyone that watches that video from beginning to end and doesn't come up with that conclusion is f'ing delusional. Its almost comical the level of blinders some guys have on here haha. In no way shape or form do i endorse ANY of this BS going on in these cities but 100000% that cop killed that man. "Well you don't deal with those animals all day like he did". Quit then. If you cant mentally handle yourself in a job its time to move on.
I wouldn't say the cops killed Mr. Floyd and I sure don't believe they intended to kill him. But I do believe nobody should make a 20 to 30 year career out of being a policeman. No way it can be done without some serious effects, mostly mental. You can't do it without emotionally detaching yourself as concerns empathy for human suffering. At most I would say a 5 to 7 year hitch and then move on to something else. Maybe we could have something like a national police training, send the graduates out to local departments, and then a G.I. Bill type transition to something else.
Intent to kill is irrelevant under the Minnesota statute.
As far as the criminal case is concerned, it was stupid to have this autopsy done and made public the way they did.
It's going to allow the defense an opportunity to establish that both reports are done by professionals/experts in their fields and came to two different conclusions.
The more the defense can blur everything else, and keep things in the scope of Graham factors, the more likely Chauvin will be acquitted.
You do know that opioid overdose shuts down the respiratory system and you stop breathing? Hint: Fentanyl
Leaving aside everything else, do you understand the word homicide? The killing of one person by another. The ME has already made a finding that Floyd died as a result of homicide. That more or less ends foolish discussion. The questions remain of who did the homicide, how, and why. Only those questions. That's why I asked Hastings who he thought did kill Floyd. Maybe he has seen something I missed and someone else may be responsible. I did not see impairment to the point of losing consciousness in Floyd in any of the videos. I the intoxication to that point was observed by anyone then I would like an explanation how a man on the verge of losing consciousness would need 9 minutes of extreme restraint by 3 men on top of him.
Haha . Right
It’s obvious here who lives in academia and hypothetical land
You do know that opioid overdose shuts down the respiratory system and you stop breathing? Hint: Fentanyl
Yes it was obvious even at the begining Floyd was about to die of an overdose.
That wasn't really an "independent" autopsy................just sayin'.
I kinda think Baden has a vested interest.
MM
You do know that opioid overdose shuts down the respiratory system and you stop breathing? Hint: Fentanyl
Yes it was obvious even at the begining Floyd was about to die od an overdose
Please state your facts, Karen. Did you guys do telemedicine evaluations on him from the videos?
It’s obvious here who lives in academia and hypothetical land
Don't forget Fantacy Land
It’s obvious here who lives in academia and hypothetical land
Don't forget Fantacy Land
Ok, Karen. You got awfully quiet
That wasn't really an "independent" autopsy................just sayin'.
I kinda think Baden has a vested interest.
MM
Both sides
That wasn't really an "independent" autopsy................just sayin'.
I kinda think Baden has a vested interest.
MM
Please explain how the Hennepin County Medical Examiner is not an independent autopsy
It’s obvious here who lives in academia and hypothetical land
Don't forget Fantacy Land
Ok, Karen. You got awfully quiet
Says Reno 911
That wasn't really an "independent" autopsy................just sayin'.
I kinda think Baden has a vested interest.
MM
Please explain how the Hennepin County Medical Examiner is not an independent autopsy
Liberal land . Boss said make it a homicide .
It’s obvious here who lives in academia and hypothetical land
Don't forget Fantacy Land
Ok, Karen. You got awfully quiet
Says Reno 911
Ok , Zorro
You do know that opioid overdose shuts down the respiratory system and you stop breathing? Hint: Fentanyl
Leaving aside everything else, do you understand the word homicide? The killing of one person by another. The ME has already made a finding that Floyd died as a result of homicide. That more or less ends foolish discussion. The questions remain of who did the homicide, how, and why. Only those questions. That's why I asked Hastings who he thought did kill Floyd. Maybe he has seen something I missed and someone else may be responsible. I did not see impairment to the point of losing consciousness in Floyd in any of the videos. I the intoxication to that point was observed by anyone then I would like an explanation how a man on the verge of losing consciousness would need 9 minutes of extreme restraint by 3 men on top of him.
Haha . Right
No, no Haha Right. One man is dead and another is about to lose a career and his freedom and may never legally possess a firearm again.
Haha Right is for jokes and this is about a fugging serious as it gets. You want to make ignorant suggestions then be a man and stand up and provide a rational basis for them.
It’s obvious here who lives in academia and hypothetical land
Don't forget Fantacy Land
Ok, Karen. You got awfully quiet
Says Reno 911
Ok , Zorro
Just because your B/F was selfish and didn't get you off and now your angry, don't take it out on me
That wasn't really an "independent" autopsy................just sayin'.
I kinda think Baden has a vested interest.
MM
Please explain how the Hennepin County Medical Examiner is not an independent autopsy
Liberal land . Boss said make it a homicide .
Perhaps you are capable of explaining for him?
I do autopsies, and testify about them. The only difference is that my area of expertise is automotive, not medical. Currently, I am on standby to testify in a lawsuit over a "loss of oil" engine failure claim on a Volvo diesel engine that was serviced by a nationwide truck stop chain's maintenance shop and ran out of oil due to a leak from a loose oil filter a few miles later. My detailed inspection of the damaged engine documented exactly which parts failed, and I can point to a very accurate timeline of when and why they failed. There is also a pretty good trail of evidence suggesting that the truck stop tried to erase evidence in the vehicle computer of the "low oil pressure" automatic shutdown of the engine. Every time the phone rings and the truck owner's attorney is on the line, I start a timer. He's buying my advice at the rate of $100.00 an hour, with a 1-hour minimum. If I actually do end up traveling to Indianapolis to testify, more time and travel expenses will accumulate. I informed the legal beagles early on that's there's only one condition to my participation- - - -they can't write a big enough check to make me lie for them! Nuff said!
Jerry
“Results released Monday from TWO SEPARATE AUTOPSIES declared the May 25 death of George Floyd at the hands of police to be a HOMICIDE.” - Fox News
According to Fox News, the full autopsy report of the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office ‘and’ the independent autopsy done on behalf of Floyd’s family ‘both’ declare the death a homicide.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...d-independent-autopsy-expected-today.amp
That wasn't really an "independent" autopsy................just sayin'.
I kinda think Baden has a vested interest.
MM
Please explain how the Hennepin County Medical Examiner is not an independent autopsy
Liberal land . Boss said make it a homicide .
Perhaps you are capable of explaining for him?
I can explain a nearly $300,000 salary plus benefits since 2004. I wouldnt wanna rock that boat too much either.
Liberal land it is but are truly debating whether or not the cop killed Mr. Floyd? Seems the video is pretty damaging to the officer, he went from alive to dead in minutes. Sure he was on drugs, but not sure how you can’t state the officer didn’t directly end his life.
My issues have everything to do with the aftermath, it’s pathetic and typical of Mayors and blue state Governors. They are spineless. But you guys are focused on the social injustice of one Mr. Floyd and it seems it pretty clear what happened. But I still (and everyone) must witness a fair judicial process of the event. The officer has this right, in spite of the fact that he looks more than guilty.
I wouldn't say the cops killed Mr. Floyd and I sure don't believe they intended to kill him.
He was alive and talking to them while on the ground. WHO THE FUGG DO YOU THINK DID KILL HIM???
I do not believe they started out intending to kill him. I also do not believe they were concerned in the least if they did kill him, that would seem pretty obvious in that almost three minutes elapsed from the time he went unconscious until they ceased killing him. Regardless of the amount of intoxicants, regardless of his resistance, it is pretty obvious that no matter how you cut it, they did kill him and that any intoxicants were at that point only contributing factors. In the videos it is pretty clear that he went down and out in a gradual manner and that before he became unconscious that he had ceased any attempt at movement.
Please explain who you think did kill Floyd.
I don't know what killed Mr. Floyd. At this point it looks like we will never get a definite answer. I am sure that being restrained played a part, and I'm sure the police were inattentive to or unaware of his condition. They get callous after years of dealing with the underbelly of society. It was just another arrest to them. They probably have had to load several uncooperative arrestees a week for years. This incident illustrates why I think nobody should make a life long career out of law enforcement.
Liberal land it is but are truly debating whether or not the cop killed Mr. Floyd? Seems the video is pretty damaging to the officer, he went from alive to dead in minutes. Sure he was on drugs, but not sure how you can’t state the officer didn’t directly end his life.
My issues have everything to do with the aftermath, it’s pathetic and typical of Mayors and blue state Governors. They are spineless. But you guys are focused on the social injustice of one Mr. Floyd and it seems it pretty clear what happened. But I still (and everyone) must witness a fair judicial process of the event. The officer has this right, in spite of the fact that he looks more than guilty.
people like 700h (the gay blade) are anarchists and don't believe in our judicial process and individual rights. They despise America and self reliance, He wants to stir up schit so America is burned to the ground, He wants street lynchings. Miserable Losers like him ,who never accomplished anything in their lives , are now emboldened by these riots ( in the dark so they can't be identified) and is now a self important brave social justice warrior and thinks his formally pathetic, meaningless life now has meaning. These type of events always bring the pathetic losers out of the shadows.
Im not saying Chauvin was 100% right. If he knew the guy had no pulse and still kept his knee on his neck then yeah that is f.ucked up. I dont see a problem with four cops subduing a 6’6” noncompliant perp. either.
I’m surprised the ME’s didn’t find a chicken bone...snarc 😂😎
It’s obvious here who lives in academia and hypothetical land
Don't forget Fantacy Land
Ok, Karen. You got awfully quiet
Says Reno 911
Ok , Zorro
Just because your B/F was selfish and didn't get you off and now your angry, don't take it out on me
You always resort to the same sophomoric scchitt, that’s all that you have when the dealing is done.
Let’s get real low:
It’s quite apparent that a gang of cops has been banging your old lady, your daughter, your two lesbian sisters, your momma and your bedridden grandmother. Plus buggering you at a traffic stop.
Your thoughts? Be nice.
I kind of seriously doubt that either autopsy report will be the deciding factor in a trial.
There is no disputing the video evidence that Floyd complained he could not breathe, that he lost consciousness, that Chauvin continued to use the force that caused Floyd's complaint
There are several videos out there. My hearing is bad, but I am pretty sure I heard Floyd utter that he couldn't breath while he was still standing and no officer was applying any kind of pressure that would cause a person to experience difficulty breathing.
the poor gay blade
It’s obvious here who lives in academia and hypothetical land
Don't forget Fantacy Land
Ok, Karen. You got awfully quiet
Says Reno 911
Ok , Zorro
Just because your B/F was selfish and didn't get you off and now your angry, don't take it out on me
You always resort to the same sophomoric scchitt, that’s all that you have when the dealing is done.
Let’s get real low:
It’s quite apparent that a gang of cops has been banging your old lady, your daughter, your two lesbian sisters, your momma and your bedridden grandmother. Plus buggering you at a traffic stop.
Your thoughts? Be nice.
Would love to know exactly how much fentanyl Mr. Floyd took and when. Did that happen to be the evidence he swallowed as I read somewhere? Back in the day, fentanyl by itself was utilized as a primary drug for the induction of general anesthesia for major cadiac and other big surgeries where CV "stabilty" was desired. That "stability" however was dependent on airway control and full respiratory support. Otherwise respiratory failure soon occurs and bad things follow... ask Prince! They go rigid as a board as well making ventilation by mask difficult without the aid of muscle relaxants.
High dose narcotics kill readily in a narcotic "naive" patient or person. Would be interesting to know if Floyd was using, just selling, or maybe both! Did he ingest something right before he was arrested? Did the police know what he ingested at the time? What were they waiting for as they "restrained" him? Was medical help called and were they forced to play "Dr." at the scene not knowing all of the facts or having the right supplies and equipment?
The knee to the neck looks bad for sure and certainly could have not helped matters for the reasons mentioned above, BUT there could easily be a lot more that clouds the overall picture in this case. It is certainly not a good time to be a potential "scapegoat" right now in our political/racial climate. Thank you to those willing serve as LEO's and put yourselves in these difficult situations quite frequently anymore. Most people would not/could not do it, are more than happy to be and expect to be protected, and are often the first to cry foul when a mistake has been made by a human being. Not worth dying to get a nice funeral with lots of patrol cars with lights flashing, name on a billboard for awhile, maybe a small marker by highway, and a spouse and kids left behind without a parent, IMHO.
“Results released Monday from TWO SEPARATE AUTOPSIES declared the May 25 death of George Floyd at the hands of police to be a HOMICIDE.” - Fox News
According to Fox News, the full autopsy report of the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office ‘and’ the independent autopsy done on behalf of Floyd’s family ‘both’ declare the death a homicide.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...d-independent-autopsy-expected-today.ampI missed this in my first skim of the thread. If this is the case, justice is almost certain.
Unless they seat a jury of retards the cop walks free.
I kind of seriously doubt that either autopsy report will be the deciding factor in a trial.
There is no disputing the video evidence that Floyd complained he could not breathe, that he lost consciousness, that Chauvin continued to use the force that caused Floyd's complaint
There are several videos out there. My hearing is bad, but I am pretty sure I heard Floyd utter that he couldn't breath while he was still standing and no officer was applying any kind of pressure that would cause a person to experience difficulty breathing.
From the criminal complaint/arrest document for Officer Chauvin:
"While standing outside the car,Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe. The defendant went to the the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lane and Kueng assisted."
This happened before Floyd was ever put on the ground.
Would love to know exactly how much fentanyl Mr. Floyd took and when. Did that happen to be the evidence he swallowed as I read somewhere? Back in the day, fentanyl by itself was utilized as a primary drug for the induction of general anesthesia for major cadiac and other big surgeries where CV "stabilty" was desired. That "stability" however was dependent on airway control and full respiratory support. Otherwise respiratory failure soon occurs and bad things follow... ask Prince! They go rigid as a board as well making ventilation by mask difficult without the aid of muscle relaxants.
High dose narcotics kill readily in a narcotic "naive" patient or person. Would be interesting to know if Floyd was using, just selling, or maybe both! Did he ingest something right before he was arrested? Did the police know what he ingested at the time? What were they waiting for as they "restrained" him? Was medical help called and were they forced to play "Dr." at the scene not knowing all of the facts or having the right supplies and equipment?
The knee to the neck looks bad for sure and certainly could have not helped matters for the reasons mentioned above, BUT there could easily be a lot more that clouds the overall picture in this case. It is certainly not a good time to be a potential "scapegoat" right now in our political/racial climate. Thank you to those willing serve as LEO's and put yourselves in these difficult situations quite frequently anymore. Most people would not/could not do it, are more than happy to be and expect to be protected, and are often the first to cry foul when a mistake has been made by a human being. Not worth dying to get a nice funeral with lots of patrol cars with lights flashing, name on a billboard for awhile, maybe a small marker by highway, and a spouse and kids left behind without a parent, IMHO.
When was the ambulance called? My bet is the officers called it during initial contact before Floyd ever passed out, either because they saw he was not right in the head ie drugs, or to cover for him complaining about not breathing when they first brought him to the squad car, before they put him on the ground and restrained him.
Unless they seat a jury of retards the cop walks free.
It'll be interesting once all of the evidence is out.
Unless they seat a jury of retards the cop walks free.
It'll be interesting once all of the evidence is out.
At this point it’s all spin. It’s all in how they present the evidence, not the evidence itself.
P
Apparently some here believe the County medical examiner is trying to whitewash the death to protect the cop. It’s the county that’s trying to convict the cop as a sacrifice so there’s pressure to find a cause of death attributable to the cop not exonerate the cop.
Apparently some here believe the County medical examiner is trying to whitewash the death to protect the cop. It’s the county that’s trying to convict the cop as a sacrifice so there’s pressure to find a cause of death attributable to the cop not exonerate the cop.
the usual politics.
I though I read somewhere, the cop & the deceased knew each other ?
If true, this leads to other questions which could have significant consequences too.
Apparently some here believe the County medical examiner is trying to whitewash the death to protect the cop. It’s the county that’s trying to convict the cop as a sacrifice so there’s pressure to find a cause of death attributable to the cop not exonerate the cop.
Not me
I though I read somewhere, the cop & the deceased knew each other ?
The cop worked weekend security at a nightclub where the dead guy was a bouncer. Both of them had several years' experience there. It's a huge stretch of the imagination to think they weren't at least acquainted, if not more closely associated. There could be some history there, and possibly some bad blood between them.
The Medical Examiner is trying to protect the city against the flood of lawsuits they know is coming, possibly from years of previous misconduct by the dirty cop. He's also going to most likely torpedo the political career of Amy Klobuchar, who refused to file charges against him over complaints of misconduct while she was a prosecutor in Minneapolis.
Jerry
Unless they seat a jury of retards the cop walks free.
Haha, ever sit on a jury? There's a ton of retards out there.
I’ve tried to get on juries 3 times
Always get dismissed.
I’m not an old, fat black woman with coke bottle bottom glasses
I though I read somewhere, the cop & the deceased knew each other ?
The cop worked weekend security at a nightclub where the dead guy was a bouncer. Both of them had several years' experience there. It's a huge stretch of the imagination to think they weren't at least acquainted, if not more closely associated. There could be some history there, and possibly some bad blood between them.
The Medical Examiner is trying to protect the city against the flood of lawsuits they know is coming, possibly from years of previous misconduct by the dirty cop. He's also going to most likely torpedo the political career of Amy Klobuchar, who refused to file charges against him over complaints of misconduct while she was a prosecutor in Minneapolis.
Jerry
Does anyone know that the instances of misconduct by the dirty cop were? I heard there were 17 of them.
You're right, Amy's done. She probably was told by her bosses to make the charges go away.
Liberal cities employ dirty cops and Democrat politicians overlook it. That seems to be the collective narrative here.
Unless they seat a jury of retards the cop walks free.
Remember the O. J. Simpson jury?
It’s obvious here who lives in academia and hypothetical land
Don't forget Fantacy Land
Ok, Karen. You got awfully quiet
Says Reno 911
Ok , Zorro
Just because your B/F was selfish and didn't get you off and now your angry, don't take it out on me
You always resort to the same sophomoric scchitt, that’s all that you have when the dealing is done.
Let’s get real low:
It’s quite apparent that a gang of cops has been banging your old lady, your daughter, your two lesbian sisters, your momma and your bedridden grandmother. Plus buggering you at a traffic stop.
Your thoughts? Be nice.
PM ribka he has been trying to find someone for his dead buddys wife, your perfect
That wasn't really an "independent" autopsy................just sayin'.
I kinda think Baden has a vested interest.
MM
Please explain how the Hennepin County Medical Examiner is not an independent autopsy
Liberal land . Boss said make it a homicide .
Perhaps you are capable of explaining for him?
I can explain a nearly $300,000 salary plus benefits since 2004. I wouldnt wanna rock that boat too much either.
$300k/year is the price to buy your integrity. Interesting.
Unless they seat a jury of retards the cop walks free.
Remember the O. J. Simpson jury?
OJ, OJ, OJ. The only thing the OJ trial proves about juries, is that they do not like malfeasance or lies from the PD.
But for tainted blood samples, OJ would be serving life without.
I kind of seriously doubt that either autopsy report will be the deciding factor in a trial.
There is no disputing the video evidence that Floyd complained he could not breathe, that he lost consciousness, that Chauvin continued to use the force that caused Floyd's complaint
There are several videos out there. My hearing is bad, but I am pretty sure I heard Floyd utter that he couldn't breath while he was still standing and no officer was applying any kind of pressure that would cause a person to experience difficulty breathing.
From the criminal complaint/arrest document for Officer Chauvin:
"While standing outside the car,Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe. The defendant went to the the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lane and Kueng assisted."
This happened before Floyd was ever put on the ground.
Would love to know exactly how much fentanyl Mr. Floyd took and when. Did that happen to be the evidence he swallowed as I read somewhere? Back in the day, fentanyl by itself was utilized as a primary drug for the induction of general anesthesia for major cadiac and other big surgeries where CV "stabilty" was desired. That "stability" however was dependent on airway control and full respiratory support. Otherwise respiratory failure soon occurs and bad things follow... ask Prince! They go rigid as a board as well making ventilation by mask difficult without the aid of muscle relaxants.
High dose narcotics kill readily in a narcotic "naive" patient or person. Would be interesting to know if Floyd was using, just selling, or maybe both! Did he ingest something right before he was arrested? Did the police know what he ingested at the time? What were they waiting for as they "restrained" him? Was medical help called and were they forced to play "Dr." at the scene not knowing all of the facts or having the right supplies and equipment?
The knee to the neck looks bad for sure and certainly could have not helped matters for the reasons mentioned above, BUT there could easily be a lot more that clouds the overall picture in this case. It is certainly not a good time to be a potential "scapegoat" right now in our political/racial climate. Thank you to those willing serve as LEO's and put yourselves in these difficult situations quite frequently anymore. Most people would not/could not do it, are more than happy to be and expect to be protected, and are often the first to cry foul when a mistake has been made by a human being. Not worth dying to get a nice funeral with lots of patrol cars with lights flashing, name on a billboard for awhile, maybe a small marker by highway, and a spouse and kids left behind without a parent, IMHO.
When was the ambulance called? My bet is the officers called it during initial contact before Floyd ever passed out, either because they saw he was not right in the head ie drugs, or to cover for him complaining about not breathing when they first brought him to the squad car, before they put him on the ground and restrained him.
Ambulance was called around 8:20 maybe 8:21, called in as code 2, and immediately upgraded to a code 3, ambulance arrives at 8:27, still Chauvin has a unresponsive Floyd pinned to the ground, minutes before Lane asked Chauvin if they should roll Floyd on his side and Chauvin says no. Chauvin had dragged Floyd out of the back seat...WHY..... this makes no sense, if they had him in the car.... then WTF.... yeah, likely Floyd is kicking... so what? Drag him out and hold him to the ground until he quits breathing...? Maybe Floyd kicked Chauvin in the nuts in the back of the patrol car, maybe he tells Chauvin his wife gives good head..... who, knows, but certainly appears that Chauvin had a axe to grind with Floyd.....
“Results released Monday from TWO SEPARATE AUTOPSIES declared the May 25 death of George Floyd at the hands of police to be a HOMICIDE.” - Fox News
According to Fox News, the full autopsy report of the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office ‘and’ the independent autopsy done on behalf of Floyd’s family ‘both’ declare the death a homicide.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...d-independent-autopsy-expected-today.ampI missed this in my first skim of the thread. If this is the case, justice is almost certain.
Read the disclosures at the bottom of the ME’s report concerning ‘cause of death ‘.
He could have just as easily wrote “Accidental “ with the same disclaimers.
There’s more than meets the eye with the descriptor, Homicide.
It wasn’t Suicide or Natural Causes which leaves Accidental or Homicide.
Then read the Disclaimers.
Chauvin had dragged Floyd out of the back seat...WHY..... this makes no sense, if they had him in the car.... then WTF.... yeah, likely Floyd is kicking... so what? Drag him out and hold him to the ground until he quits breathing...? ... who, knows, but certainly appears that Chauvin had a axe to grind with Floyd.....
Floyd seemed easy enough to handle until Shauvin arrived.
Officers had got him out of his car, cuffed him,
only one officer walked him to the sidewalk and
sat him down, then two walked him to the car
across the road with no hassle.
Chauvin had dragged Floyd out of the back seat...WHY..... this makes no sense, if they had him in the car.... then WTF.... yeah, likely Floyd is kicking... so what? Drag him out and hold him to the ground until he quits breathing...? ... who, knows, but certainly appears that Chauvin had a axe to grind with Floyd.....
Floyd seemed easy enough to handle until Shauvin arrived.
Thats a interesting thought.....
It’s obvious here who lives in academia and hypothetical land
Don't forget Fantacy Land
Ok, Karen. You got awfully quiet
Says Reno 911
Ok , Zorro
Just because your B/F was selfish and didn't get you off and now your angry, don't take it out on me
You always resort to the same sophomoric scchitt, that’s all that you have when the dealing is done.
Let’s get real low:
It’s quite apparent that a gang of cops has been banging your old lady, your daughter, your two lesbian sisters, your momma and your bedridden grandmother. Plus buggering you at a traffic stop.
Your thoughts? Be nice.
PM ribka he has been trying to find someone for his dead buddys wife, your perfect
I’d rather talk directly to you.
And, you dumb f’kk, it’s “you’re “, not “your “.
thow stupphidt. Whatever school you may have attended owes you a refund.
“Results released Monday from TWO SEPARATE AUTOPSIES declared the May 25 death of George Floyd at the hands of police to be a HOMICIDE.” - Fox News
According to Fox News, the full autopsy report of the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office ‘and’ the independent autopsy done on behalf of Floyd’s family ‘both’ declare the death a homicide.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...d-independent-autopsy-expected-today.ampHe could have just as easily wrote “Accidental “ with the same disclaimers.
But he didn’t.
He could have just as easily wrote “Accidental “ with the same disclaimers.
But he didn’t.
No scchitt !!
Did you read the disclaimers on the report ?
Toot told us all about 'intent to kill' without
actually reading the statutes Shauvin is charged
under... Had he done so prior, he would have known
intent doesn't come into it.
He's like Ikea customers that get told by
customer service :
"When all else fails try reading the instructions"
He could have just as easily wrote “Accidental “ with the same disclaimers.
But he didn’t.
No scchitt !!
lol
‘Homicide’ denotes ‘one human killing another’. Period. It can be intentional, reckless, accidental, or negligent. But it’s ‘still’ one human killing another.
And NONE of the disclaimers on the report that you refer to contradict or refute ‘that’.
That wasn't really an "independent" autopsy................just sayin'.
I kinda think Baden has a vested interest.
MM
Please explain how the Hennepin County Medical Examiner is not an independent autopsy
Liberal land . Boss said make it a homicide .
Perhaps you are capable of explaining for him?
I can explain a nearly $300,000 salary plus benefits since 2004. I wouldnt wanna rock that boat too much either.
$300k/year is the price to buy your integrity. Interesting.
No, sir
$300k/year is the price to buy your integrity. Interesting.
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No, sir [/quote]
Okay, I'll take your word for it. Question retracted.
$300k/year is the price to buy your integrity. Interesting.
No, sir [/quote]
Okay, I'll take your word for it. Question retracted.
[/quote]
Look at the context and go back in the quotes
Michael Baden is a pretty good pathologist, and VERY good publicity hound. I'd take his findings with a good sized grain of salt, as well as the government-paid pathologists who are probably playing defense against the avalanche of lawsuits they know are coming. The truth is probably somewhere in between the two extremes we've seen so far.
Jerry
Out of curiosity, on the basis of what expertise do you conclude "Baden is a pretty good pathologist"? Are you a forensic pathologist? None of us here has a clue whether he is particularly competent or not.
I though I read somewhere, the cop & the deceased knew each other ?
The cop worked weekend security at a nightclub where the dead guy was a bouncer. Both of them had several years' experience there. It's a huge stretch of the imagination to think they weren't at least acquainted, if not more closely associated. There could be some history there, and possibly some bad blood between them.
The Medical Examiner is trying to protect the city against the flood of lawsuits they know is coming, possibly from years of previous misconduct by the dirty cop. He's also going to most likely torpedo the political career of Amy Klobuchar, who refused to file charges against him over complaints of misconduct while she was a prosecutor in Minneapolis.
Jerry
Does anyone know that the instances of misconduct by the dirty cop were? I heard there were 17 of them.
You're right, Amy's done. She probably was told by her bosses to make the charges go away.
Any cop with that many years on the force (17) is going to have complaints. Fact complaints were made doesn't mean they are valid (though they might be).
Toot told us all about 'intent to kill' without
actually reading the statutes Shauvin is charged
under... Had he done so prior, he would have known
intent doesn't come into it.
He's like Ikea customers that get told by
customer service :
"When all else fails try reading the instructions"
Thanks Rob.
He could have just as easily wrote “Accidental “ with the same disclaimers.
But he didn’t.
No scchitt !!
lol
‘Homicide’ denotes ‘one human killing another’. Period. It can be intentional, reckless, accidental, or negligent. But it’s ‘still’ one human killing another.
And NONE of the disclaimers on the report that you refer to contradict or refute ‘that’.
Lol, indeed.
I was trying to point out the wiggle room and latitude for interpretation within the disclaimers. Sorry I didn’t explain it better.
For some reason Toot often has trouble
understanding or explaining things.
coulld be age or a cerebral defect from birth.
but If Anyone needs help with their Ikea assembly
I wouldn't be calling on him to assist.
For some reason Toot often has trouble
understanding or explaining things.
coulld be age or a cerebral defect from birth.
but If Anyone needs help with their Ikea assembly
I wouldn't be calling on him to assist.
Never had a problem understanding your phony asss.
Continually on display,
[/quote]
Out of curiosity, on the basis of what expertise do you conclude "Baden is a pretty good pathologist"? Are you a forensic pathologist? None of us here has a clue whether he is particularly competent or not. [/quote]
I heatd him twice today. I am not a forensic pathologist and did not sleep in a Holiday Inn Express but....
Paraphrasing here: "Fentanyl and "several other drugs" in his system. They had nothing to do with his death cause l fentanyl puts you to sleep do you don"t die quickly."
What other drugs? Pretty much spinning faster than Fauci and Birks in a tornado and did not seem any sharper than a Biden.
I am not defending anyone and not taking sides in this but his opinion seemed worthless.
Out of curiosity, on the basis of what expertise do you conclude "Baden is a pretty good pathologist"? Are you a forensic pathologist? None of us here has a clue whether he is particularly competent or not. [/quote]
I heatd him twice today. I am not a forensic pathologist and did not sleep in a Holiday Inn Express but....
Paraphrasing here: "Fentanyl and "several other drugs" in his system. They had nothing to do with his death cause l fentanyl puts you to sleep do you don"t die quickly."
What other drugs? Pretty much spinning faster than Fauci and Birks in a tornado and did not seem any sharper than a Biden.
I am not defending anyone and not taking sides in this but his opinion seemed worthless
[/quote]
A good defense lawyer will challenge this guy to the Nth degree over his findings and omissions.