My neighbor's 6 year old son recently died from leukemia. Praise God.
I can appreciate that line of thinking. I understand (the best I can) why one might feel that way regarding instances such as the one you’ve mentioned above. I’ve struggled with this myself. I believe that there is a cause and effect relationship between sin and suffering. I’m not talking about the personal consequences of sin, which we’ve all experienced. The cause and effect relationship between sin and suffering goes beyond personal behavior...it is a global reality. There is a global relationship between sin and suffering. It’s not fair, and it takes everything out of our control. When sin entered the world, it held the door open for sorrow, death, illness, and despair. They snuck in right behind sin. And sin wreaks havoc on the world. Instances such as the one you mentioned above are part of the global consequences of sin in the world. The presence of sin in the world is why these things happen. It’s not fair. Children with cancer (for example). I struggle with it. Bad things happen to good people. I believe the worst possible thing happened to the best possible person. He was without sin, and yet...He was tortured and executed. I don’t like it, but it’s true...when sin entered the world, death (and its allies) was right on its heels. It’s a wake up call. He wants us to look up and regain, or find for the first time, our hope. One day there will be no more sin, no more sorrow, no more death...but not yet. Anyway, I don’t mean to be offensive. But you hit right on a subject that resonated with me...and I can understand (the best I can) why one would feel about it as you do.
God had NO control over SIN entering the world? But he's omnipotent?
I believe He is omnipotent. And I believe He did have control over sin entering the world. Why did He allow it...? I don’t know. It’s a conundrum for LOTS of us...and for good reason. He allowed it, He had His reasons for doing so, and I sure as heck can’t discern it.
I'm thinking he can save a 6 year old from cancer.
And HE does. And thousands a day, from cancer, tetanus, malaria, dpt, rabies, diarrhea, war, accidents, drownings, autocrashes.....and in a better and more meaningful way than you could ever imagine.
But, it's your way or the highway. Show us a pic of your all seeing eye.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
My neighbor's 6 year old son recently died from leukemia. Praise God.
I can appreciate that line of thinking. I understand (the best I can) why one might feel that way regarding instances such as the one you’ve mentioned above. I’ve struggled with this myself. I believe that there is a cause and effect relationship between sin and suffering. I’m not talking about the personal consequences of sin, which we’ve all experienced. The cause and effect relationship between sin and suffering goes beyond personal behavior...it is a global reality. There is a global relationship between sin and suffering. It’s not fair, and it takes everything out of our control. When sin entered the world, it held the door open for sorrow, death, illness, and despair. They snuck in right behind sin. And sin wreaks havoc on the world. Instances such as the one you mentioned above are part of the global consequences of sin in the world. The presence of sin in the world is why these things happen. It’s not fair. Children with cancer (for example). I struggle with it. Bad things happen to good people. I believe the worst possible thing happened to the best possible person. He was without sin, and yet...He was tortured and executed. I don’t like it, but it’s true...when sin entered the world, death (and its allies) was right on its heels. It’s a wake up call. He wants us to look up and regain, or find for the first time, our hope. One day there will be no more sin, no more sorrow, no more death...but not yet. Anyway, I don’t mean to be offensive. But you hit right on a subject that resonated with me...and I can understand (the best I can) why one would feel about it as you do.
God had NO control over SIN entering the world? But he's omnipotent?
I believe He is omnipotent. And I believe He did have control over sin entering the world. Why did He allow it...? I don’t know. It’s a conundrum for LOTS of us...and for good reason. He allowed it, He had His reasons for doing so, and I sure as heck can’t discern it.
I'm thinking he can save a 6 year old from cancer.
And HE does. And thousands a day, from cancer, tetanus, malaria, dpt, rabies, diarrhea, war, accidents, drownings, autocrashes.....and in a better and more meaningful way than you could ever imagine.
But, it's your way or the highway. Show us a pic of your all seeing eye.
I'm not the one that felt the need to edit my post to make their sorry ass feel good. My guess is you are knocking on death's door, and I pray to God that someone lets us know when you die so we can be happy. I promise I will laugh when you die.
The second word of the title is LOVE. I ain't gonna hurt us to try that.
In short, love the one that allows your child to die of cancer ON EARTH BUT LIVE FOR ETERNITY IN HEAVEN got it.
BOUT TIME.
I'm not a narcissist but it sounds like it is RIGHT up your ally. It's so funny when a piece of [bleep] thinks he's so self important.
As yourself does.
I think the word is believer or Christian, but I'm impressed by your effort, however feeble it is.
If you are an example of what goes to heaven, I pray your tart of a daughter (because calling chicks tarts is a good thing on the Campfire, especially by the god fearing folks) lets us know when your dumb ass is gone.
With your faith, it's best you depend on yourself. At least you make Lucifer proud.
You are going to rot in hell, no doubt about it. I'm laughing knowing that you will be butt [bleep] by Satan for 100000000 years for your ego and judgement.
On the plus side, your gals will likely only get 100 years of black cock, because that is God's judgement and he doesn't discriminant between races.
Lots of year round tan babies in your family's future. God Bless! It is His will.
I believe God gets WAY too much credit for the good and blame for the bad.
That’s a realistic perspective; I can see that view.
Originally Posted by RemModel8
He's a shoulder to cry on, but he doesn't have control of the situation. Perhaps he is even dead, which makes sense.
Maybe the views that many of us have about God should be abandoned...maybe the views that many of us have about God aren't even biblical views.
For example, The God who responds to fair and selfless requests like we would. Instead, He answers our requests with His infinite wisdom. Or, The God whose presence is always felt. Instead, we are least aware of what is most constant. Or, The God who controls people through guilt and fear. Instead, He desires repentance rather than guilt. Or, The God who requires us to live by undeniable science or unreliable religion. Instead, following Jesus is based on more than simply faith; also the choice between faith and science is a false alternative. Or, The God who is the explanation for everything we can’t explain. Instead, God is the explanation for much in the universe that can be explained, such as design and order. And...The God who never allows bad things to happen to good people. Instead, Christianity is founded on the events of the cross of Jesus, in which ‘bad things’ did happen to a perfect person.
These views of God are held by many people who were raised in Christian homes. These basic views of God might have been affirmed as children, but as adults these charicatures of God are wholly inadequate to deal with the complexities and challenges of the real world...such as the ones mentioned that you and I both struggle with.
I believe God gets WAY too much credit for the good and blame for the bad.
That’s a realistic perspective; I can see that view.
Originally Posted by RemModel8
He's a shoulder to cry on, but he doesn't have control of the situation. Perhaps he is even dead, which makes sense.
Maybe the views that many of us have about God should be abandoned...maybe the views that many of us have about God aren't even biblical views.
For example, The God who responds to fair and selfless requests like we would. Instead, He answers our requests with His infinite wisdom. Or, The God whose presence is always felt. Instead, we are least aware of what is most constant. Or, The God who controls people through guilt and fear. Instead, He desires repentance rather than guilt. Or, The God who requires us to live by undeniable science or unreliable religion. Instead, following Jesus is based on more than simply faith; also the choice between faith and science is a false alternative. Or, The God who is the explanation for everything we can’t explain. Instead, God is the explanation for much in the universe that can be explained, such as design and order. And...The God who never allows bad things to happen to good people. Instead, Christianity is founded on the events of the cross of Jesus, in which ‘bad things’ did happen to a perfect person.
These views of God are held by many people who were raised in Christian homes. These basic views of God might have been affirmed as children, but as adults these charicatures of God are wholly inadequate to deal with the complexities and challenges of the real world...such as the ones that you and I both struggle with.
God has a plan for a 6 year old that can't spell God and an idiot from Texas?
God saves our soul not our bodies, we have dominion of the world, we as individuals and as a whole have free will, we are responsible for whatever ills we suffer here... the Christ lesson is it doesn't matter if we suffer and die young... people keep getting it wrong thinking God rewards us worldly... doesn't help that religion is world based in it's teachings and actions.
God won't give you a new truck, win you the lottery or cure your cancer... the world is what it is, some will die young and innocent, old chitbirds will grow old and fat.
God has a plan for a 6 year old that can't spell God...?
He says He does. I believe He does. I don’t understand the agony and death part of it...on a personal level...for the boy, his family, others who cared for him, and you. I believe that your neighbor's 6 year old son who recently died from leukemia is in God’s presence, and I believe the child now feels and knows something that is unimaginably good...something that none of us can relate to. Not yet.
God saves our soul not our bodies, we have dominion of the world, we as individuals and as a whole have free will, we are responsible for whatever ills we suffer here... the Christ lesson is it doesn't matter if we suffer and die young... people keep getting it wrong thinking God rewards us worldly... doesn't help that religion is world based in it's teachings and actions.
God won't give you a new truck, win you the lottery or cure your cancer... the world is what it is, some will die young and innocent, old chitbirds will grow old and fat.
God is there for after.
Kent
Amen. He isnt responsible for the toxins we fill the world and our bodies or those of our kids with which increase the risks of flesh killing disease.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
