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Custer's saber is in a museum there.
JIt's engraved "Draw me not without cause. Sheath me not without honor."
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I just finished reading an original edition of "Following the Guidon," by Libby Custer.
OK, she's a litle biassed but you can't help realizing what ruthless savages the Indians were, killing and torturing women and children alike, and that Custer was a pretty competent commander overall. The book contains the lyrics and music of many songs and bugle calls, including Gerry Owen. It's amazing how hard life on the plains was then, even for the commander's wife.
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"killing and torturing women and children alike,"
Always interested in this faction. According to Bent, he stated that both factions of the Cheyennes were not into torture as were the other tribes. He stated that of all the years he lived with them he only one time witnessed the women and children come out to torture/ desecrate a body. And that was of a Shoshone they had captured and killed.
He went on to state that usually the women and children (up to a certain age) were kept as captive. Grown male captives were just killed outright, there on the spot. He stated that they felt that torture was beneath them. I’m sure this is open to much debate.
One example he used were of the 4 white girls captured up on the Solomon river. The Germain girls. Two youngest were simply dropped in the grass when a patrol of cav came upon the party. The other two older girls were repatriated a year later. I believe this was in 1874-75.
He did also explain just how many captives they had amongst their different bands and how intermarried they were. Mexicans, a few whites, but also Pawnee, Poncas, and a whole lot of intermarriage of allies. Especially Assorted Sioux, Arapahoe, and Kiowa.
All interesting first hand accounts.
He was an exceptionally well educated fellow. As were his brother and sisters. He had attended schools in St. Louis as well as the academy there for 10 years. It was a very informative read.
I rememver he mentioned after the Julesburg Colo raid, one of the young warriors said they should now torch all the buildings.This was after they had looted and ransacked all the goods. One of the elders that was present stated absolutely NO! The proprietors of the stage lines and trading company would come in and resupply the place and then they could come again back next year and do the same thing all over ! Bent said for many weeks after that raid and also the Platte Bridge raid, Indians would come up to him and ask him what things were that they had looted, he would answer something like, " thats a can of peaches" . LOL!
Good stuff
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiseman_massacreJust one example of some Indian torture of children.
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Good example ruffcutt
Same went on here with Comanche and Kiowa.
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