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Some mob control methods really work- - - - #14999738 06/26/20
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And they have a long-lasting effect. There hasn't been another riot at Kent State in over 50 years.


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When was there a “riot” at Kent State?


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4 dead in Ohio..1969 I think?


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NG ended up killing people not part of the protest..good job...not..


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I remember that day. And all the pictures in the newspaper the days after.


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I was halfway around the world protecting the freedom of those rioters- - - - - -and wondering when,( or if) I would ever get to meet my son who was less than a month old at the time. They chose to misuse that freedom and suffered the consequences of their actions. I could not gen up any sympathy for them then, and the passage of 50 years hasn't changed my opinion. Also, I can't condemn the young men who defended themselves against their attacks.
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Originally Posted by m1rifleman
NG ended up killing people not part of the protest..good job...not..


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Originally Posted by m1rifleman
NG ended up killing people not part of the protest..good job...not..

They were there. So they were part of it.

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The antifa fuggs use the same strategy today get in behind the protestors get them riled up and push them forward. It shouldn't take to smart an LEO at elevation to spot the agitators and take them out. It is time to take the gloves off.

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So let's do away with the First Amendment...it was a protest, not a riot...in case you missed it there is a difference.


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Originally Posted by m1rifleman
So let's do away with the First Amendment...it was a protest, not a riot...in case you missed it there is a difference.

I didn't say anything about that. Only rebutted what you said about them not being part of it.

The thing about the protest and these now: They are not lawful.

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so protests aren't lawful? since when?


Those who would disrespect our flag have never been handed a folded one.

Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.

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There was no riot at Kent State. Nobody was doing anything illegal.

Of the four killed, one was jeering at the NG from about 50 yards away, one was quietly watching what was going on, and two were walking to their classes, a couple of hundred yards away. They were avoiding the demonstration.

The night before, the ROTC building was burned to the ground. The perpetrators were later tried and convicted. None were Kent State students.

The families of the dead received a settlement from the State of Ohio.

Governor Jim Rhodes was kicked out of office at the next election.

For many years, Kent State University tried to ignore what had happened. Now they have built small memorials at each of the four spots where people died. You can go see them. You can go see where the NG stood. They also have a field where they've planted 58,300 daffodils. Looking at that you can see what a stupid blunder the whole Viet Nam War was. It's a helluva lot of daffodils.

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Where did you get this misguided interpretation of events?

That’s not even close to what happened.

Originally Posted by m1rifleman
NG ended up killing people not part of the protest..good job...not..


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see Indys post...


Those who would disrespect our flag have never been handed a folded one.

Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.

When in the Course of human events......
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The protesters that tried to shut down I-35 in Austin got the hell shot out of them.
Rubber bullets and beanbags are no fun. Media had the unlucky ones pictures on T.V.

Note to self: don't obstruct interstate commerce.


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Originally Posted by m1rifleman
NG ended up killing people not part of the protest..good job...not..


Missed and hit people in background?



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Your “facts” don’t match the facts.

https://www.kent.edu/may-4-historical-accuracy

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

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The answer offered by the Guardsmen is that they fired because they were in fear of their lives. Guardsmen testified before numerous investigating commissions as well as in federal court that they felt the demonstrators were advancing on them in such a way as to pose a serious and immediate threat to the safety of the Guardsmen, and they therefore had to fire in self-defense. Some authors (e.g., Michener, 1971 and Grant and Hill, 1974) agree with this assessment. Much more importantly, federal criminal and civil trials have accepted the position of the Guardsmen. In a 1974 federal criminal trial, District Judge Frank Battisti dismissed the case against eight Guardsmen indicted by a federal grand jury, ruling at mid-trial that the government's case against the Guardsmen was so weak that the defense did not have to present its case. In the much longer and more complex federal civil trial of 1975, a jury voted 9-3 that none of the Guardsmen were legally responsible for the shootings. This decision was appealed, however, and the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that a new trial had to be held because of the improper handling of a threat to a jury member.

The legal aftermath of the May 4 shootings ended in January of 1979 with an out-of-court settlement involving a statement signed by 28 defendants(3) as well as a monetary settlement, and the Guardsmen and their supporters view this as a final vindication of their position. The financial settlement provided $675,000 to the wounded students and the parents of the students who had been killed. This money was paid by the State of Ohio rather than by any Guardsmen, and the amount equaled what the State estimated it would cost to go to trial again. Perhaps most importantly, the statement signed by members of the Ohio National Guard was viewed by them to be a declaration of regret, not an apology or an admission of wrongdoing:


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