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Don’t like them never have and haven’t had to wear one where we live, but if I still want to go buy groceries (HEB) I HAVE to wear one to be allowed inside. Guess I have to be one of the sheep now...

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Droplets are questionable, but aerosolized virus in not defeated by a single layer of cloth. Virue is 1000 times smaller than the weave on cloth. Using multiple layers in a N95 can adsorb the majority, if fitted well. That mask is night and day better that most masks. Then there is the issue of transmission through the eyes. At that point any mask is useless unless eyes are not protected.
In the end, better to wish for herd immunity. Masks don't work.
You can look up data with nanoparticles for reference. NIOS, CDC, OSHA. 60-80 nanometer particles are pretty much a big issue.

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Originally Posted by Terryk
Droplets are questionable, but aerosolized virus in not defeated by a single layer of cloth. Virue is 1000 times smaller than the weave on cloth. Using multiple layers in a N95 can adsorb the majority, if fitted well. That mask is night and day better that most masks. Then there is the issue of transmission through the eyes. At that point any mask is useless unless eyes are not protected.
In the end, better to wish for herd immunity. Masks don't work.
You can look up data with nanoparticles for reference. NIOS, CDC, OSHA. 60-80 nanometer particles are pretty much a big issue.


Tell me how you get aerosolized virus (not in droplets) from an infected person. I can see that from a bioweapon application.


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Aerosolized particles are suspended in the air by heat, and gravity has very little impact. This is called Brownian motion of aerosolized particles. The particles are expelled just like CO2, water vapor, and odor. Like smelling lungs when you gut a deer. Garlic odor or water vapor during exhale is bigger than the virus at 60-80 nm.
Entrainment, not entrapment works on that scale, so electrostatic forces bind nanoscale particles in multiple weave filters. They bump, and get stuck. So more layers have greater contact and entrainment potential.

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That didn't prove or refute anything.

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Originally Posted by Terryk
Aerosolized particles are suspended in the air by heat, and gravity has very little impact. This is called Brownian motion of aerosolized particles. The particles are expelled just like CO2, water vapor, and odor. Like smelling lungs when you gut a deer. Garlic odor or water vapor during exhale is bigger than the virus at 60-80 nm.
Entrainment, not entrapment works on that scale, so electrostatic forces bind nanoscale particles in multiple weave filters. They bump, and get stuck. So more layers have greater contact and entrainment potential.


Funny. I was always taught that the virus transmission person to person was via droplets. (Virus in the mucous droplets). Where does the heat come into this or are we talking totally different things?

Certainly true individual virus particles are unlikely to be significantly impaired by a mask And if you are writing about true particles then you're really needing high level containment gear. That's a different fish, for sure.


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The facemask works the facemask doesn’t work...Its a fact !

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I did not even open your link. I bought a mask on line and used it while sanding drywall. When I took it off Sue thought I rubbed my arm across my face. I looked in the mirror and what do I see? Along both sides of my nose and under my nose was white dust!
I refuse to wear one when I go to town.


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I did not even open your link. I bought a mask on line and used it while sanding drywall. When I took it off Sue thought I rubbed my arm across my face. I looked in the mirror and what do I see? Along both sides of my nose and under my nose was white dust!
I refuse to wear one when I go to town.


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The saw the results of a simple and elegant study by the University Of Hong Kong, it showed masks were 75% effective. If you are wearing the mask it drops. Better than none. Likely just those blue medical ones. Hear is a link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhQw7vLNsDA I use a N95


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Originally Posted by Squidge
It depends...


Maybe what masks should be made of, Depends.


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Originally Posted by downwindtracker2
The saw the results of a simple and elegant study by the University Of Hong Kong, it showed masks were 75% effective.
The study used infected hamsters in a cage. And they put a cover (mask equivalent) across the cage. Then they blew wind across the infected hamster cage, with the cover across the cage, towards a healthy hamster cage. And they deduced that a reduction under those circumstances, with caged hamsters, meant an equivalent reduction to people out and about in the world.
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I use a N95
Which is vastly different than a cloth mask.


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Wearing a mask is much better at keeping the virus inside the mask than preventing it from getting in. All of them are more likely to prevent those who have been exposed from spreading it. It may not prevent you from catching the virus, but it is about 10X better than nothing. If you wear a "real mask". A bandana isn't a real mask, but still better than nothing.

I'm not in a lot of places where I'm around crowds, but when I am I wear the mask. Don't particularly like it, but doing so is the quickest way to end this crap and start getting back to normal.

Instead of bitching about it, man up and do the right thing.


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Originally Posted by Beansnbacon33
Don’t like them never have and haven’t had to wear one where we live, but if I still want to go buy groceries (HEB) I HAVE to wear one to be allowed inside. Guess I have to be one of the sheep now...


You’d rather comply than stand up & be counted?


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Originally Posted by JMR40
Wearing a mask is much better at keeping the virus inside the mask than preventing it from getting in.
So a cloth mask provides protection on one side of it but not on the other...?
Originally Posted by JMT40
All of them are more likely to prevent those who have been exposed from spreading it.
So a cloth mask will likely “prevent those who have been exposed from spreading it”...?
Originally Posted by JMR40
It may not prevent you from catching the virus...
But it’ll prevent you from spreading it...?
Originally Posted by JMR40
If you wear a "real mask".
What is a “real mask”...? Is a cloth mask a “real mask”...?
Originally Posted by JMR40
Instead of bitching about it, man up and do the right thing.
Is wearing a cloth mask, where the spaces between the weaves are huge compared to the 0.06 micron size of the virus, “manning up and doing the right thing”...?


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A mask is not a panacea. It's not fool proof. It's just another layer of protection that can help prevent spread.

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Originally Posted by JMR40
Wearing a mask is much better at keeping the virus inside the mask than preventing it from getting in. All of them are more likely to prevent those who have been exposed from spreading it. It may not prevent you from catching the virus, but it is about 10X better than nothing. If you wear a "real mask". A bandana isn't a real mask, but still better than nothing.

I'm not in a lot of places where I'm around crowds, but when I am I wear the mask. Don't particularly like it, but doing so is the quickest way to end this crap and start getting back to normal.

Instead of bitching about it, man up and do the right thing.

Oh bullshit, wearing a mask doesn't do anything. Give me a frickin break.

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