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You're saying then that facts are irrelevant, and only perceptions are important. You’ve said from start to finish here that there are no “facts” in the Bible. And I do think that perceptions ‘are’ important, especially when it comes to the Bible. So why do you bother with the bible anyway? Aren't your perceptions going beyond it anyway?
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I think you folks don't realize Who God is. Remember the pale blue dot that is the earth in a photo taken from Pluto? That was just this solar system. God created not just this Galaxy but all of them. Infinite is, well, Infinite! Research and evidence indicate that god is man made. Their is otherwise no proof of his existence.
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Intelligent design didnt come from an explosion, which has no scientific proof behind that belief.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
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Plenty of proof and evidence for the formation of the universe and evolution of life. No evidence of an "intelligent design", in fact, if you look at ourselves, we have hidden "timebomb" legacies that defy intelligent design ie appendix, wisdom teeth - both capable of premature demise. Intelligence fail for those two, especially from a loving god.
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Ml Driven by desire and fear, faith is a poor means of sorting fact from fiction. Nobody’s forcing any of it upon you, yet you seem to be ‘bothered’ by what others choose to believe about these matters. Why is that...? It makes some people nervous. Not really. Having beliefs questioned appears to make some nervous...and at times angry. Why would it make believers nervous? If there is no Heaven, then there is no hell. If at the end of my life there is nothing, what have I lost. Ive lost nothing more than you, if what you say is true. I mean, if I die and there is nothing, you seem to think I'm going to be sitting around in darkness pissed off that Im not in Heaven. You seem to think Id be dissapointed. Hummm. I you think Id be disappointed, that means you think there would be some knowledge after death, rather than nothing after death. You, on the other hand, may have a spirit thats going somewhere. DBT may just not be the dog critter without a spirit he thought he was. Now, just what would I be in fear of if there is nothing? I dont think I need to fear nothing. You dont need to fear nothing either, but you might need to fear something. HIM
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Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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So why do you bother with the bible anyway? Because I believe it to be a revelation from God, inspired by Him, through human authors. Aren't your perceptions going beyond it anyway? I don’t think that God is bound by the covers of a book. And He can certainly reveal Himself however He chooses. Let me ask ‘you’ this - Is it OK with you that I believe what I believe, and that I believe the way that I believe...?
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So why do you bother with the bible anyway? Because I believe it to be a revelation from God, inspired by Him, through human authors. Aren't your perceptions going beyond it anyway? I don’t think that God is bound by the covers of a book. And He can certainly reveal Himself however He chooses. Let me ask ‘you’ this - Is it OK with you that I believe what I believe, and that I believe the way that I believe...? One of the deceitful tactics of believers is feigning innocence. (I'm more apistevist than atheist.)
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Let me ask ‘you’ this - Is it OK with you that I believe what I believe, and that I believe the way that I believe...? One of the deceitful tactics of believers is feigning innocence. laffin’ And ‘there’ we have it. ‘You’ can’t stand it that “believers” believe what they do. Period.
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Let me ask ‘you’ this - Is it OK with you that I believe what I believe, and that I believe the way that I believe...? One of the deceitful tactics of believers is feigning innocence. laffin’ And ‘there’ we have it. You can’t stand it that “believers” believe what they do. Period. Yes, faith generates bigotry, prejudice and violence. It's embraces "virtues" and "morals" that are anything but. Believing in, and acting upon advice from, invisible beings should be left behind at childhood.
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Believing in, and acting upon advice from, invisible beings should be left behind at childhood. And ‘you’ think that ‘you’ should get to make that determination for others...? laffin’ some more And since ‘you’ don’t get to make that determination for others, you’re clearly pissed off and bothered by it. still laffin’
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I think us Believers should get off the keyboards, and On our knees!
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And ‘there’ we have it. You can’t stand it that “believers” believe what they do. Period. Yes, faith generates bigotry, prejudice... What is it that generates ‘your’ bigotry and prejudice...towards those who simply ‘believe’ differently than ‘you’ do...?
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Believing in, and acting upon advice from, invisible beings should be left behind at childhood. And ‘you’ think that ‘you’ should get to make that determination for others...? laffin’ some more And since ‘you’ don’t get to make that determination for others, you’re clearly pissed off and bothered by it. still laffin’ So you're okay with the bigotry, prejudice and violence that goes along with faith? Thousand of years of evidence about that, or do you choose to assign your own understanding and belief of what has transpired?
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And ‘there’ we have it. You can’t stand it that “believers” believe what they do. Period. Yes, faith generates bigotry, prejudice... What is it that generates ‘your’ bigotry and prejudice...towards those who simply ‘believe’ differently than ‘you’ do...? That doesn't even make sense, and looks like an oppressor complaining about perceived oppression. Those that believe in ghosts have historically made seriously bad choices in the past and continue to do so. I believe in fact, morals and integrity - this is lacking in faith, despite what they claim. Faith is a ticket to an afterlife that doesn't exist.
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So you're okay with the bigotry, prejudice and violence that goes along with faith? Nope. And I’m also not OK with the bigotry, prejudice and violence that has nothing at all to do with faith...? Are you OK with the bigotry, prejudice and violence that has nothing at all to do with faith...?
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Umm, I think vice versa, mauser.
Where on earth are believers in Christ oppressors?
There are plenty of places Christians are killed and oppressed.
I think you are getting Christians mixed up with Muzzies.
How many times a day do we sound the horn for you to kneel and pray. Or drop what we are doing to kneel in the street, or forcing you to pray in church or school or making your wife wear a head covering or stoning you for crimes you do or for killing a sacred cow to eat?
What stores do we force closure of on Sunday?
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Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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Yes, faith generates bigotry, prejudice... What is it that generates ‘your’ bigotry and prejudice...towards those who simply ‘believe’ differently than ‘you’ do...? That doesn't even make sense, and looks like an oppressor complaining about perceived oppression. lol ‘You’ brought up “bigotry, prejudice”. And once again, the bottom line is that ‘you’ can’t stand it that believers ‘are’ believers. Period. Those that believe in ghosts have historically made seriously bad choices in the past and continue to do so. And what of those who don’t “believe in ghosts” yet ‘still’ have made historically bad choices...like Jeffrey Dahmer, Mussolini, Mao, Jim Jones, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc...? Do ‘you’ think that ‘only’ “those that believe in ghosts” make bad choices...? I believe in fact, morals and integrity - this is lacking in faith,... This is lacking ‘outside’ of faith as well. Do ‘you’ believe that these qualities are ‘only’ lacking ‘in’ faith...? Faith is a ticket to an afterlife that doesn't exist. If that’s ‘your’ opinion, then so be it.
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Let me ask ‘you’ this - Is it OK with you that I believe what I believe, and that I believe the way that I believe...? One of the deceitful tactics of believers is feigning innocence. laffin’ And ‘there’ we have it. You can’t stand it that “believers” believe what they do. Period. Yes, faith generates bigotry, prejudice and violence. It's embraces "virtues" and "morals" that are anything but. Believing in, and acting upon advice from, invisible beings should be left behind at childhood. I don’t know about that. If one looks at what is going on with Black Lives Matter in Seattle, Minneapolis, Chicago and New York, one would notice an abundance of bigotry, prejudice and violence..... and I am pretty darn sure those rioters are not good upright Christian folks. One does not have to look very far to find bigotry, prejudice and violence in this old world.....Think of where the “bpv” has been seen in the last 100 years..
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Umm, I think vice versa, mauser.
Where on earth are believers in Christ oppressors?
There are plenty of places Christians are killed and oppressed.
I think you are getting Christians mixed up with Muzzies.
How many times a day do we sound the horn for you to kneel and pray. Or drop what we are doing to kneel in the street, or forcing you to pray in church or school or making your wife wear a head covering or stoning you for crimes you do or for killing a sacred cow to eat?
What stores do we force closure of on Sunday? Well, according to Antler there is nothing particularly wrong with Islam, or any other religion for that matter, if that's what "feels" right to them, then good to go. Murdering infidels is okay right?, if their belief says its okay and recommended. I know murders occur anyway but infidel murder is a faith specialty - on both sides too. Believers in Islam were the original infidels historically speaking if we look back a bit.
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Intelligent design didnt come from an explosion, which has no scientific proof behind that belief. The "Big Bang" was neither big, nor was it a bang, and it certainly wasn't an explosion.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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