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How about the REAL average American household that is struggling and giving money to able-bodied people who want to get paid to sit home? 18% of the federal budget goes to welfare and medicare. Not all of them are in unavoidable circumstances. I’ve seen more than one EBT users walk out to late-model luxury car. No problem with that, Northman?


If its always happened in bad times, why do you single out Trump? You do know that the president is really only 2 things: A weathervane of society and a motivator of policy, right? The Houses are the real culprits. 535 policy makers that hide in collective and cowardly anonymousness. If you think Trump is sending the money and tax breaks to corporations (or anyone else), you’re failing to realize he’s not a law maker.


You mean like senators and congressmen that conduct insider trading or do you only forgive the corrupt Dem ones? Dem politicians also dominate tax-cheat list. That’s a statistical fact. Where’s the outrage?

Dems dominate tax-cheat list

LANCASTER NEW ERA Apr 22, 2011

At tax time, the Daily Beast website wanted to know who has had the worse tax problems over the years &tstr; Democrats or Republicans. Guess what it found?

Democrats, take a bow.

The website reviewed hundreds of news reports going back to the 1990s to find which political party had the most tax offenders, and came up with a list of 25 politicians who have been embroiled in tax scandals over the past two decades.

The website ranked the politicians &tstr; 3 points for a tax offense; 1 point for a misdemeanor tax offense or ethics conviction; .5 for a felony tax indictment; .25 for misdemeanor tax indictment.

Also, the level of public office was taken into account &tstr; 1 point for a state legislator or mayor; 3 for a U.S. representative, statewide official or federal lobbyist; 5 points for a governor or presidential nominee.

(Note: The list focuses on politicians' tax troubles, not any other form of political corruption.)

The results?

Democrats have had the most tax scandals by a wide margin &tstr; 16 to 9. (Incidentally, three notorious Pennsylvania politicians made the list.)

At the top of the list is Nicholas Mavroules, a Democratic U.S. representative from Massachusetts, who pleaded guilty to six counts of tax fraud &tstr; the most of any scofflaw on the list. He was given a year in jail and fined $15,000.

The next six spots are held by Democrats, including long-time Pennsylvania State Sen. Vincent Fumo (No. 7). Fumo was convicted in March 2009 on 137 felony charges, including tax fraud and corruption. Fumo used a nonprofit group he headed to finance a lavish lifestyle. He is serving a 55-month prison sentence.

Republicans occupy the next five spots &tstr; No. 8 to No.12. They include Jack Abramoff (No. 11), the high-profile Washington lobbyist who was convicted of tax fraud. Abramoff was sentenced to nearly six years in prison.

Democrats take up No. 13 through No. 18. Among them is U.S. Rep. Charles Rangel, of New York, who faced a laundry-list of ethics violations. Rangel was never charged criminally, but he was convicted by a House ethics panel of 11 violations. One included not paying $60,000 in taxes on rent collected from a villa he owns in the Dominican Republic.

Positions 19 and 20 are held by Republicans, including F. Joseph Loeper, a Pennsylvania Senate Majority Leader who pleaded guilty to falsifying his taxes. A tax collection company had paid Loeper more than $300,000 in consultant fees while he was still in public office. He was sentenced to six months in prison and fined $20,000.

The No. 21 spot belongs to Democrat Frank J. Gigliotti, a Pennsylvania state representative who admitted to accepting tens of thousands of dollars in cash bribes and gifts from contractors and lying on his taxes. He was given nearly four years in prison.

No. 22 is a Democratic state senator from Missouri; No.23, a Republican U.S. representative from California; No. 24, a Democratic state senator from New York; and No. 25, a Republican state representative from Colorado.

"Republicans and tea partiers tend to shout the loudest when it comes to tax reform, and they're also the most law abiding &tstr; when it comes to paying their taxes, anyway," observes The Daily Beast.

Most politicians &tstr; Democrat or Republican &tstr; pay their taxes. But the corrupt ones, like those on this list, give all politicians a bad name.

or June.. or May.

Trumps $1200 one time deal is spent, gone, used, vanished....
10% of the country owns 92% of the Stockmarket, so most Americans have no wealth saved.
And if you get a huge medical bill because of Covid... your fked, because nobody in power is letting Americans get free medical care in a EPIDEMIC.


This is a recipe for disaster, that can make the George Floyd protests seem like nothing..



Republicans "your are one your own in this country" and corporate and billionare donations are lighting a fuse under regular Americans struggling to make ends meet.

Dems dominate tax-cheat list

LANCASTER NEW ERA Apr 22, 2011

At tax time, the Daily Beast website wanted to know who has had the worse tax problems over the years &tstr; Democrats or Republicans. Guess what it found?

Democrats, take a bow......

No.. Im talking about the REAL average American household is struggling and giving money and tax brakes to corporations in these times will not help, when tens of millions of Americans are at real risk of going under... (again).

People will revolt.. and desperate people makes stupid mistakes..

Always in bad times, money and tax brakes are flying at the investors, lobbyist and corporations who give money to politicians. While regular people are given the finger and told to suck it up.


You are running high risk that normal "on the fence people" will vote against any politicians who who just says people should just though it out, while the tiny elites gets everything they point at.



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or June.. or May.

Trumps $1200 one time deal is spent, gone, used, vanished....
10% of the country owns 92% of the Stockmarket, so most Americans have no wealth saved.
And if you get a huge medical bill because of Covid... your fked, because nobody in power is letting Americans get free medical care in a EPIDEMIC.


This is a recipe for disaster, that can make the George Floyd protests seem like nothing..



Republicans "your are one your own in this country" and corporate and billionare donations are lighting a fuse under regular Americans struggling to make ends meet.

No.. Im talking about the REAL average American household is struggling and giving money and tax brakes to corporations in these times will not help, when tens of millions of Americans are at real risk of going under... (again).

People will revolt.. and desperate people makes stupid mistakes..

Always in bad times, money and tax brakes are flying at the investors, lobbyist and corporations who give money to politicians. While regular people are given the finger and told to suck it up.


You are running high risk that normal "on the fence people" will vote against any politicians who who just says people should just though it out, while the tiny elites gets everything they point at.



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Theoretical question, what happens if there was a national call amongst Democrats to never pay a bill or a mortgage or rent or a phone bill ever again...

Let's say 25-30% of the population just says "No I will never pay a bill again... "

Looking for well reasoned answers...

"your are one your own in this country"

I have also heard from my dentist that people that do not brush their teeth on a regular basis are app to lose them.

I have never bought used teeth, but I have done very well buying repossessed real estate and equipment. I guess I'm just a damn capitalist.

Theoretical question, what happens if there was a national call amongst Democrats to never pay a bill or a mortgage or rent or a phone bill ever again...

Let's say 25-30% of the population just says "No I will never pay a bill again... "

Looking for well reasoned answers...

I'd be pissed. Did what was right, like others on here. Paid cash for the house, cars, everything. Have no Bill's except utilities and property taxes.

I could had a hell of a bank account under that hypothetical situation.

WTF does this even mean Walt?

Of course you would be pissed... so would the vast majority of us.

But what would really happen if there was a national call to no longer pay bills by the Democrats and the antifa crowd and the AOC crowd.

The government still needs to operate and we still need to keep the Navy... fuel in the fighter jets ready to roll etc.

Vets still need their benefits... senior citizen still need their social security... school teachers were promised pensions their whole life we can't leave them out.

Democratic judges in Democratic cities in Democratic states would not prosecute the crime.

Who would pay the taxes to keep the government rolling?

The Democrat in the house across the street from you says he's not going to ever pay a bill again and you have to pay not only your bills but his bills.

Nobody is allowed to be evicted. It is impossible to repossess a car. Home foreclosures will not be tolerated. It will be considered a felony crime to turn off someone's cell phone if they don't pay the bill.

What if?

Theoretical question, what happens if there was a national call amongst Democrats to never pay a bill or a mortgage or rent or a phone bill ever again...

Let's say 25-30% of the population just says "No I will never pay a bill again... "

Looking for well reasoned answers...

It would cause a major hardship for those of us who depend on lease - rental income to pay the bills. Over a third of our renters are behind on their rent and two have went out of business.