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https://www.nj.com/news/2020/08/def...e-passcodes-njs-highest-court-rules.html

IMHO. Even though he may be guilty, this ruling violates the constitutional right against self incrimination.

By Joe Atmonavage | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
New Jersey’s highest court ruled Monday that authorities can compel defendants to turn over their phone passcodes in order for them to retrieve information from the device through a search warrant.


The state Supreme Court’s 4-3 ruling was a result of the case of Robert Andrews, a former Essex County Sheriff’s officer, who alleged it was unconstitutional to make him provide his cell phone passcode to authorities as they investigated him for aiding a man who was under investigation for drug trafficking. Authorities executed a search warrant on Andrews’ phones, but were not able to access information without the passcodes.

The majority of the state Supreme Court concurred with Justice Lee Solomon’s opinion that found “neither federal nor state protections against compelled disclosure shield Andrews’s passcodes.”

The opinion says that the lawfully issued search warrants, which Andrews did not challenge, gives the state “the right to the cellphones’ purportedly incriminating contents.”

The ruling now sets a precedent across the state that authorities have the ability to compel criminal defendants to disclose their cell phone passcodes in order to retrieve information from the device they were seeking to obtain with a search warrant, legal experts say.

Attorneys and advocates who argued forcing the disclosure of a defendant’s passcode was unconstitutional said they view the ruling as a blow to privacy and a defendant’s constitutional right to remain silent and not self-incriminate.



“(The ruling) is taking a stick of dynamite to that fundamental right and imploding it from within,” said Matt Adams, vice president of Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers of New Jersey.

In the dissenting opinion, authored by Justice Jaynee LaVecchia, the justice raises concerns that this an example of citizen’s right to privacy “constantly shrinking” and a “direct violation of (Andrews’) right not to testify against himself.”

“We are at a crossroads in our law,” she wrote. “Will we allow law enforcement -- and our courts as their collaborators -- to compel a defendant to disgorge undisclosed private thoughts -- presumably memorized numbers or letters -- so that the government can obtain access to encrypted smartphones?”

Charles J. Sciarra, Andrews’ attorney, said in a statement that the decision is “a major defeat to the United States Constitution when it is already under substantial attack.”'

“It’s time to rethink whether you should keep anything simply private or personal on a personal electronic device because if the government wants it they can now get it,” Sciarra said.

A number of organizations, including the Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers of New Jersey, New Jersey State Bar Association, and the American Civil Liberties Union, all argued that criminal defendants should be shielded from disclosing information that exists only in their mind, like a phone passcode.


Adams, who argued the case on behalf of the Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers of New Jersey, said he hopes the U.S. Supreme Court takes on the case and reverses the decision.

“This is a fundamental matter of individual rights that should not have been decided this way,” he said.

Brandon Minde, the chair of the New Jersey State Bar Association’s Criminal Law Section, said the organization agrees with the dissenting opinion and will continue to monitor how this decision affects privacy concerns for New Jersey residents.

“In a world where right to privacy is constantly shrinking, our Constitutional rights must not,” Minde said.

Justice LaVecchia wrote that forcing Andrews to turn over his passcode raises Constitutional issues because Andrews is being asked to “essentially turn over what is presumed to be incriminating information, in direct violation of his right not to testify against himself.”

But, according to the majority opinion, Andrews is not protected against self-incrimination because the search warrants had enough evidence to “provide ample support to compel Andrews to turn over his passcode.”


“This was no ‘fishing expedition,’” the majority opinion says.

The case

As authorities were conducting a narcotics investigation into Quincy Lowery in 2015, Lowery provided investigators with information: he told detectives that Andrews was providing him information about their investigation and advice to avoid criminal exposure, according to court documents.

Lowery allegedly told authorities that he and Andrews were members of the same motorcycle club, and the two regularly talked on FaceTime, according to the opinion. During one of those calls, Lowery said Andrews told him to “get rid of” his cell phones because law enforcement was doing wiretaps.

Lowery said Andrews also provided information on law enforcement officers who were following Lowery as a part of their investigation and to check if his car was being tracked, according to the opinion.

According to the opinion, the state obtained communication data warrants for cellphone numbers belonging to Andrews and the man under investigation. The warrants revealed 114 cellphone calls and text messages between them over a six-week period.


Andrews was indicted in 2016 for official misconduct, hindering and obstruction.

Lowery said much of what he told investigators could be confirmed by contents of phone communications with Andrews, however, neither state or federal authorities were able to to search Andrews’s two iPhones without his passcode because they had an operating system that makes them “extremely difficult” to access without the passcodes, according to the opinion. (Lowery said communications were gone from his phone after resetting it.)

Prosecutors asked the court to require Andrews to provide his passcodes so the phones could be searched.

Andrews opposed the motion, claiming that disclosure of his passcodes violates the protections against self-incrimination.

However, the trial court ordered Andrews do so, but limited the search of his phone and ordered that when conducted, the search “be performed by the State, in camera, in the presence of Andrews’s defense counsel.”

Andrews appealed the order, but the state’s Appellate Division’s 2018 ruled against Andrews. The court found that using self-incrimination as a defense to not turn over a cell phone passcode “would essentially preclude the State from obtaining the contents of any passcode-restricted device as part of a criminal investigation.”


After the state Supreme Court’s ruling Monday, Andrews’ criminal case, which is still in the pretrial phase due to the legal battle, will move forward. He must turn over his passcodes so that the Essex County Prosecutor’s Office can execute the warrants on his phones, a spokeswoman for the prosecutor’s office said.

Sciarra, Andrews’ attorney, did not respond to multiple requests for comment on if he plans to appeal the decision to the U.S. Supreme Court or if Andrews will oblige with the order to turn over his passcodes.

Chief Justice Stuart Rabner and Justices Anne M. Patterson and Faustino J. Fernandez-Vina joined the majority opinion, while Justices Barry T. Albin and Walter F. Timpone joined the dissenting opinion.


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Direct violation of the 5th amendment.


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Direct violation of the 5th amendment.


With the present construct I wonder how the scotus would rule on this?

Surely this case will head in that general direction, you’d think.


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"authorities can compel defendants to turn over their phone passcodes"

Unless they use torture or threats of harming your friends/family they can't compel [bleep]

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Originally Posted by victoro
"authorities can compel defendants to turn over their phone passcodes"

Unless they use torture or threats of harming your friends/family they can't compel [bleep]



I like the way you think. OTOH, no water or pork n beans for you for 2 weeks, comrade. Cuomo or deBlasio or dimocommie Judge leroy Bean would have you singing in 2 days. wink

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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Direct violation of the 5th amendment.


We have dimocrap judges who dont know what youre talking about.


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Originally Posted by Lennie
https://www.nj.com/news/2020/08/def...e-passcodes-njs-highest-court-rules.html

IMHO. Even though he may be guilty, this ruling violates the constitutional right against self incrimination.

It does. Same for the fact that cops can force you to give them a blood sample during a traffic stop. Yet the courts say it's okay.

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Originally Posted by victoro
"authorities can compel defendants to turn over their phone passcodes"

Unless they use torture or threats of harming your friends/family they can't compel [bleep]


What they mean is that it will be considered criminal if you don't.

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Even if they got Pelosi to get buck nekit and walk around in the questioning room????


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Airwaves are an area of law that has been used against the citizens with the foundation that they are public domain.

So if it was broadcast (even with full intent to conceal as a matter of privacy) the courts have held that any broadcast at any time with full will and volition of the broadcaster, the domain is not private, so no breach of the 5th amendment can be evoked.
When you voice it taken by a 2nd party or 3rd party and broadcast over any air waive you have some grounds for Constitutional challenge, but when you do it yourself (a cell phone is a prime example) all rights to privacy are waived (so said the courts anyway.)

As in the old days when the FBI sometimes tapped into a wire, if you use a land line and a 2nd party uses your voice over the air (like you phone co, or some company that owns your phone co) there is no assumption of waiveture in some cases. The FISC courts have hashed this out many times. But someone calling someone else and plotting a crime over a radio or any cell phone is never protected.

Cell phones are "so convenient" and cost less too. There is a very important reason for that.

Regulations are written by the FCC and they heavily favor the cell system so as to make rates cheaper then land lines. It's not an accident.
If the government can get everyone to use cell phones, only then 100% of telecommunication is exempt from the 5th amendment. Oh what a surprise!!!!!!!!!!!

You didn't actually believe the old established wired phones with a near 100% success record and exceptionally good reliability in a system that has existed for 70 years were going to truly cost more to use then a whole new set of technology did you? Wire tapping takes a warrant and warrants can fail, cops (mostly Feds) can have trouble getting them ,and sometimes they get called on the carpet when they push the bounds of the Bill of Rights. and have personal accountability when they do things a bit to overreaching.

So.............write laws to give "reasons" for the public to "waive" their rights and broadcast everything. Listen to everything and make it 100% legal.

Remember, those were politicians that wrote those laws to favor rates of cell phones and not land lines.........and who have more reasons to want no more privacy inside the public's affairs? Control is largely a function of the lack of privacy----- in every totalitarian state.





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Anyone that would keep their phone and computer, when they are about to have legal problems...... is dumb. Those are the first two things I would get rid of. Burn them, shoot them full of holes, throw them in the lake, something to destroy them so they couldn't be used. Then give them all the passwords they want.... make up some new ones!

I lost my phone and the computer was stolen.

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It only matters what a court rules if you think it matters what a court rules. In my opinion, when a court rules in direct opposition to the Constitution, or when any government body passes or enforces a law in direct opposition to the Constitution, the are openly declaring themselves traitors, and all that is left to do is the rope. Government officials would disagree, I'm sure.


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You know you could always take the fifth.....

But as someone else said:
" I am not a constitutional.lawyer."


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Lennie
https://www.nj.com/news/2020/08/def...e-passcodes-njs-highest-court-rules.html

IMHO. Even though he may be guilty, this ruling violates the constitutional right against self incrimination.

It does. Same for the fact that cops can force you to give them a blood sample during a traffic stop. Yet the courts say it's okay.
The idea behind a blood sample at a traffic stop is that the evidence will disappear if not collected right away. By the time the courts order it, the evidence is gone. Not the same thing as a cell phone at all.


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The operative here is “search warrant”. If the state has enough on you to get a search warrant, and they have good enough cause to put it in the warrant, they can search your bank accounts, your medical records, look up your azz, whatever they want.

Why would a cellphone be any different? I don’t say I like it, but it’s not some magical item that is immune to the laws about evidence.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
The answer is ALWAYS “I don’t know”

Unless it's to the FBI. It's actually a crime to state an untruth to an FBI agent when questioned.

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