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If the owner lights up a reefer during any phase of this, it'll certainly be a (Dooby ous) transaction. Fixed it for ya
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That supreme court decision seems pretty final. I wouldn't do it even if a local BATFE agent said he had no problem with it. What are you talking about? The helper guy can simply buy it FTF private party without a 4473 (legal in their state) then ship to AK FFL who transfers to end buyer.. If the original owner was already at an FFL to process (like to sell to the helper guy with 4473) there'd be no need for the helper guy, (hence there would be nobody declaring falsely on a 4473) , it'd simply transfer from original owner to the southern FFL, to AK FFL to end buyer. All perfectly legit, . What the helper wouldn't do legally, and the ruling refers to, is purchase from a dealer for someone else. Different scenarios. Right?
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Aint
This
Funny?
Dont complain about the legal warnings
After
The
Fact Well, let's also not forget that the OP changed his story again and says he was looking for an FFL member to handle it negating the premise of the entire conversation! LOL
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isn't it illegal to buy a gun for sole purpose of selling it? Isn’t this what Gunshop’s do? Gun shops are FFL dealers - hence a very big difference and they do not sign a 4473 under penalty of perjury that they are buying the gun for themselves... Now, the legal way for this transaction to complete is for the out of state buyer to find a FFL dealer either in his state or the seller’s state to make the purchase and do a transfer in state and then the buyer picks up the gun after filling out required paperwork. Uhm NO
FUGK CCP
It’s time to WAKE UP
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I do not see the listing for the other one. If you could provide a link I would greatly appriciate it.
The answer of course is no, the fella picking up this rifle with intent to forward it to AK can't say "yes" to this question. End of deal.
I've done it a few times, then turned around and shipped a rifle to an FFL of a deserving soldier or other person who I felt deserved a nice rifle. It wasn't a lie, I bought the rifle with the sole intent of giving it to someone else. That doesn't change the fact at the time I filled out the 4473 I was the actual transferee/buyer. Then the person I shipped it to became the actual transferee, this time the OP would be the buyer. Once you are able to rationalize dishonesty there is no limit to what you might accomplish. Absolutely true. Just look at what the legislators and SCOTUS justices accomplished while rationalizing their dishonesty. "Shall not be infringed" just ain't that hard to understand.
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That supreme court decision seems pretty final. I wouldn't do it even if a local BATFE agent said he had no problem with it. What are you talking about? The helper guy can simply buy it FTF private party without a 4473 (legal in their state) then ship to AK FFL who transfers to end buyer.. If the original owner was already at an FFL to process (like to sell to the helper guy with 4473) there'd be no need for the helper guy, (hence there would be nobody declaring falsely on a 4473) , it'd simply transfer from original owner to the southern FFL, to AK FFL to end buyer. All perfectly legit, . What the helper wouldn't do legally, and the ruling refers to, is purchase from a dealer for someone else. Different scenarios. Right? Absolutely. Jim
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isn't it illegal to buy a gun for sole purpose of selling it? No. It is if you plan on making a profit and are not a ffl
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ok, riddle me this
When I am traveling for work and out of state can I buy a firearm in another state from a private party without a ffl involved?
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ok, riddle me this
When I am traveling for work and out of state can I buy a firearm in another state from a private party without a ffl involved? Federal law says no.
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isn't it illegal to buy a gun for sole purpose of selling it? No. It is if you plan on making a profit and are not a ffl No, actually not. You are able to do this on limited basis, however, not as an ongoing business endeavor.
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ok, riddle me this
When I am traveling for work and out of state can I buy a firearm in another state from a private party without a ffl involved? Federal law says no. Here we go again
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Deadeye59: I'll do it!
Send me the money and include some particulars.
Hold into the wind
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Why is this in the Classified section?
"The choices you make dictate the life you lead"
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Having read through all of the drama and misinformation I am at a loss for some of the conclusions folks come to.
To me the OP sounds like a set-up but if it isn't and he really wants a 582 I'll bet if he posted a WTB here someone would have one to sell him or at least point him in the direction to find one that would be easier to obtain. Wonder why he hasn't done that???
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Having read through all of the drama and misinformation I am at a loss for some of the conclusions folks come to.
To me the OP sounds like a set-up but if it isn't and he really wants a 582 I'll bet if he posted a WTB here someone would have one to sell him or at least point him in the direction to find one that would be easier to obtain. Wonder why he hasn't done that???
drover I pointed the OP to a nice 582 at a pawn/gun shop close to me, so no hurdles for them to ship it to the OP's dealer in AK.
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You don't suppose a lame ATF agent would get on here and do some trolling do you? Nevermind, stupid thought...LOL
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Having read through all of the drama and misinformation I am at a loss for some of the conclusions folks come to.
To me the OP sounds like a set-up but if it isn't and he really wants a 582 I'll bet if he posted a WTB here someone would have one to sell him or at least point him in the direction to find one that would be easier to obtain. Wonder why he hasn't done that???
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Well then bump it, stuff falls off the first few pages quickly. Also try an ad on rimfirecentral.com watch for them on gunbroker.com and gunsamerica.com.
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I haven't read all this.
Simple solution is to pay the local FFL his fees and $50 profit to buy that rifle from the eller and then sell it to you and ship to your FFL.
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