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Originally Posted by tzone
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but it says that 81% of teachers support the BLM group.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/0...-of-teachers-surveyed-support-blm-964228


You think they don't? I'm surprised it's that low.


The other 19% didn’t know what BLM meant.


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Originally Posted by g5m
but it says that 81% of teachers support the BLM group.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/0...-of-teachers-surveyed-support-blm-964228





I wouldn't be surprised. Ex-wife is a teacher, and a good one. You wouldn't believe the degree of dumbass in that crowd. Most of them would see "Black LIves Matter", never do any further research, and throw their votes and money at it.

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Doesn't surprise me depending on area. My wife is a teacher in public schools and in our area in rural NC its not nearly that high. A couple of my teacher hunting buddies are as conservative as you'll find too. I will agree that teaching isn't the hardest degree to obtain and can draw the low motivation student. Not many scientists and engineers suddenly decide to start teaching. That being said there are plenty of intelligent people in this world that suffer from the mental disorder of liberalism.

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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
12th grade daughter was talking about her classes last night, after her first day.

Concerned about he college Lit. class.
The teacher said "I like lively discussions, there will be times when it might
feel as if the whole class is against you. They are not, we have different ideas
and I encourage you to discuss them. Do you think people in this area are conservative?
I'm as liberal as they come. So, it gets interesting."


So I'm curious how this will play out. She was straight up honest, so we will see.
There are the rare individuals who can have a cordial discussion of differing
ideas.

With Covid split classes I'm not sure who will be in the class, but there are only
one or two liberal kids she is usually with. Most are outspoken conservative.
Several who love to argue.
Jenna, doesn't like confrontation from a distance. But, in the moment she can't
keep from speaking out, and will not back down.


Hard to say. My daughter has dual-credit classes at the local community college. Las year, when she was 15, she had a professor who was very liberal and made nearly every issue/event about racism. To the point that the hispanic and native american kids in the class would chuckle at his constant references to 'racism'. My daughter argued with him on several occasions and even called out his silliness a time or two in front of the class. I told here that I didn't mind if she failed the class as long as she stood her ground. Surprisingly, she received an A in the class.

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My neighbor (teacher) started the unsolicited mentioning of how she couldn't go back to work 2.5 months ago. They were getting primed back then. She randomly mentioned it to my wife and me on several pass-by occasions and I found the redundancy tedious, so I finally asked her if she was high risk. “No” was the answer.

I asked if she felt she’d die if she caught it. “I don‘t want to find out” was the answer. I then stated that unless she had other information, I was led to believe survival is 99% and asked if not finding out was worth setting an entire generation of children back in educational and social development.

She was visibly agitated and said she didn’t want to die. I’m assuming she’s being fed a daily dose of fear and loathing from school acquaintances and union updates, but the point is, regardless of the source, she’s marching in lockstep with the narrative and I’m sure that carries over to topics like BLM.


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Originally Posted by UNCCGrad
Doesn't surprise me depending on area. My wife is a teacher in public schools and in our area in rural NC its not nearly that high.

Before my transfer to PA, my hunting buddy’s wife taught, as well. Aydlett, NC. She came with stories about throwing pizza parties if the one kid that had behavioral issues didn’t have an episode for 2 weeks (bullying, standing up on the desk and shouting, etc). Meanwhile, every other (properly behaving) kid gets nothing. Teaching 1 kid how to hold people hostage to hostility and training 18 others how to submit to it.


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Originally Posted by UNCCGrad
Doesn't surprise me depending on area. My wife is a teacher in public schools and in our area in rural NC its not nearly that high. A couple of my teacher hunting buddies are as conservative as you'll find too. I will agree that teaching isn't the hardest degree to obtain and can draw the low motivation student. Not many scientists and engineers suddenly decide to start teaching. That being said there are plenty of intelligent people in this world that suffer from the mental disorder of liberalism.



You ever been around your conservative hunting buddies in a room full of teachers and their boss?


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Originally Posted by g5m
but it says that 81% of teachers support the BLM group.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/0...-of-teachers-surveyed-support-blm-964228



What survey? Where is the survey? Let's look at the survey before we comment on its veracity.

https://www.edweek.org/rc/index.html

Your article, only linked to the Daily Mail (and one of two administrators), which made mention of a survey done by Ed Week Research Center but where is this 'survey' that is now being talked about?

Until I see a survey and see who and how many people answered the survey and see if it was even done or if teachers or administrators or boards or who actually answered a survey (and how many), there is no survey and the whole article and reference to a survey is bs. (checked all surveys and research reports for June. Nadda survey that I can find?)

(offspring of an educator that actually taught me to have a critical eye and question everything! "of teachers surveyed" could mean none or 5?)

Sweeping comments that ALL teachers are liberal is about as useful as people saying guns are bad. Think about it. How about a survey of teachers leaving the profession in droves? (just as cops are) Government officials are pressuring school districts which in turn call the shots as to teacher behavior and resources but reference to a survey that supposedly reports what teachers actually 'think', when one can't even FIND said survey, just angers and frustrates me.


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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
12th grade daughter was talking about her classes last night, after her first day.

Concerned about he college Lit. class.
The teacher said "I like lively discussions, there will be times when it might
feel as if the whole class is against you. They are not, we have different ideas
and I encourage you to discuss them. Do you think people in this area are conservative?
I'm as liberal as they come. So, it gets interesting."


So I'm curious how this will play out. She was straight up honest, so we will see.
There are the rare individuals who can have a cordial discussion of differing
ideas.

With Covid split classes I'm not sure who will be in the class, but there are only
one or two liberal kids she is usually with. Most are outspoken conservative.
Several who love to argue.
Jenna, doesn't like confrontation from a distance. But, in the moment she can't
keep from speaking out, and will not back down.


A teacher has no business expressing their political leanings to their students.

It should be fired. Disciplined at a minimum.


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When I was in my Masters program, some of the education people had joint classes with me. They pretty much all squeaked by with barely passing grades, but anyway one of them came to a class final toting a piece of cardboard with a macaroni man glued to it with Elmer's glue. Asked him about it and he said that was part of his finals turn-in for some kind of education class. Making a kindergarten level stick figure out of fugging macaroni. Tough class. Lol

Very similar to my experience. One summer I took a graduate course in correlation and regression. They threw in education students, teachers who were working on an advanced degree. The contrast was stark. The education students would ask questions that had the other students (and probably the prof) rolling their eyes.

I don't mean to disrespect good teachers, but it's well documented that graduate degrees in education fields, as reflected by GRE scores among other metrics, are not especially intellectually demanding.


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Doesn't surprise me depending on area. My wife is a teacher in public schools and in our area in rural NC its not nearly that high. A couple of my teacher hunting buddies are as conservative as you'll find too. I will agree that teaching isn't the hardest degree to obtain and can draw the low motivation student. Not many scientists and engineers suddenly decide to start teaching. That being said there are plenty of intelligent people in this world that suffer from the mental disorder of liberalism.



You ever been around your conservative hunting buddies in a room full of teachers and their boss?


Nope but I can imagine they chew their cheeks until they bleed and STFU just to stay employed. They do have choices in the curriculum and how it is delivered and I'd bet they wouldnt promote any liberal BS. One in particular has his own woodworking business and no money issues and could quit whenever he'd like if he had enough but recently stopped teaching middle school science to take over the HS shop class.

Just fished with the other last weekend and said they have a new black female principal who appears to be "woke". He seemed thrilled with the idea of working for such an idiot. Both worked at the same school until the other took that shop position.



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Doesn't surprise me depending on area. My wife is a teacher in public schools and in our area in rural NC its not nearly that high.

Before my transfer to PA, my hunting buddy’s wife taught, as well. Aydlett, NC. She came with stories about throwing pizza parties if the one kid that had behavioral issues didn’t have an episode for 2 weeks (bullying, standing up on the desk and shouting, etc). Meanwhile, every other (properly behaving) kid gets nothing. Teaching 1 kid how to hold people hostage to hostility and training 18 others how to submit to it.


My wife teaches Kindergarten so she is well aware of the preferential treatment given to those type kids just for doing what is expected of others. Her having had a few of those over the years make me realize I could never teach and deal with them and keep my cool. The new remote/in-person schedule they are on is even more difficult on teachers. The good ones really do care and carry a lot of stress. Our great governor decided they weren't worthy of a raise this year since he couldn't tie in his socialistic handouts to the bill that would have given them a raise. Sadly at least 60% of teachers will still vote for the jackass since he has a D beside his name.

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Originally Posted by Paul39

I don't mean to disrespect good teachers, but it's well documented that graduate degrees in education fields, as reflected by GRE scores among other metrics, are not especially intellectually demanding.


Hear, hear!

Over a long stretch as a university student and teacher I watched the math education major deteriorate. At the beginning the requirements were those for a math major with a couple of classroom management and ed theory courses on the side. The math courses they took were the real ones for math, physics and engineering. At the end they were ed majors with a few math courses thrown in, and those were mainly contrived "XYZ topic for Teachers" jobs.

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Originally Posted by BD_Huntress
Originally Posted by g5m
but it says that 81% of teachers support the BLM group.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/0...-of-teachers-surveyed-support-blm-964228



What survey? Where is the survey? Let's look at the survey before we comment on its veracity.

https://www.edweek.org/rc/index.html

Your article, only linked to the Daily Mail (and one of two administrators), which made mention of a survey done by Ed Week Research Center but where is this 'survey' that is now being talked about?

Until I see a survey and see who and how many people answered the survey and see if it was even done or if teachers or administrators or boards or who actually answered a survey (and how many), there is no survey and the whole article and reference to a survey is bs. (checked all surveys and research reports for June. Nadda survey that I can find?)

(offspring of an educator that actually taught me to have a critical eye and question everything! "of teachers surveyed" could mean none or 5?)

Sweeping comments that ALL teachers are liberal is about as useful as people saying guns are bad. Think about it. How about a survey of teachers leaving the profession in droves? (just as cops are) Government officials are pressuring school districts which in turn call the shots as to teacher behavior and resources but reference to a survey that supposedly reports what teachers actually 'think', when one can't even FIND said survey, just angers and frustrates me.


Reading your 5 paragraphs that state you are needing a source to prove that 80% of teachers are liberals, just angers and frustrates me.


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Originally Posted by BD_Huntress
Originally Posted by g5m
but it says that 81% of teachers support the BLM group.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/0...-of-teachers-surveyed-support-blm-964228



What survey? Where is the survey? Let's look at the survey before we comment on its veracity.

https://www.edweek.org/rc/index.html

Your article, only linked to the Daily Mail (and one of two administrators), which made mention of a survey done by Ed Week Research Center but where is this 'survey' that is now being talked about?

Until I see a survey and see who and how many people answered the survey and see if it was even done or if teachers or administrators or boards or who actually answered a survey (and how many), there is no survey and the whole article and reference to a survey is bs. (checked all surveys and research reports for June. Nadda survey that I can find?)

(offspring of an educator that actually taught me to have a critical eye and question everything! "of teachers surveyed" could mean none or 5?)

Sweeping comments that ALL teachers are liberal is about as useful as people saying guns are bad. Think about it. How about a survey of teachers leaving the profession in droves? (just as cops are) Government officials are pressuring school districts which in turn call the shots as to teacher behavior and resources but reference to a survey that supposedly reports what teachers actually 'think', when one can't even FIND said survey, just angers and frustrates me.


https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2020/06/25/educators-support-black-lives-matter-but-still.html


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Most Teachers were flaming liberals back in the 70's .


You dumb dip chit lol... back in the 70’s huh... lots of old ass teachers where you live huh? Google says your retarded since the “average” age is 42.5...

Lots of liberal 2yr olds in the 70’s?

Your reading comprehension sucks. Try this:
Back in the 70s, most teachers were flaming liberals.


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I’ve known a few teachers in the recent (20 or so years) past. As a general statement, these are good people, two that specifically come to mind, think that they are conservative, but by my definition .....don’t make the cut!

I see several folks here that believe that the 81% is too high. I suggest that our opinions are based upon personal experiences. If we are conservative, we tend to gravitate toward conservatives and most likely live in a relatively conservative area/region. As a graphic example.....there is no way in hell that I would live in NYC! I would choose a much more conservative region of the nation to reside and be employed in! Hence....I would know more conservatives, which would affect my perception of the liberal vs. conservative percentile! memtb

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I guess it really depends on the State you live in. My wife is a retired teacher. The majority of her x teacher friends are conservative. I’ll admit there is also a couple of nuts. Hasbeen


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The headline is misleading. 81% of teachers surveyed means they polled a group of them not all of them. Where I live they are probably representative of the population. Conservative,Liberal, and in between. I have several in my family and all are conservative. I know several and how they believe and more are conservative than liberal. They get liberal ideas shoved at them in college but when they get out in the world start working and raising a family many figure out they were conned in college.

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Either many of you speak as to what you do not know or maybe your are radicals? But your blanket statements are unfounded. I am a teacher..for many years. I live in the upper midwest in a conservative state. Off hand I do not know any other teacher that supports all of what you mentioned. We may support people treated fairly but we also believe rioters and looters, idiots- should be put down. I can't speak for big cities, large communities east or west of me but in the general area of the country we are not liberal. So throwing blanket statements around about how awful all teachers are is like someone saying "EVERYONE on 24hrcamp are radical dipsh!ts." I would assume this isn't true?

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