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Sighted in the Savages this morning. 284 and 338 Federal for 225 yards, 32-40 for 100 yards.


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Originally Posted by TrueGrit
There's no money in being an elected official if the government worked like it should. A real American that cares for his country would do the job for nothing.


We can't even get the "real Americans" here to agree whether they should gladly serve on Jury Duty. Do you think we could find enough
"real Americans" to sit a Representative for each District and two Senators from each state?


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Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
There's no money in being an elected official if the government worked like it should. A real American that cares for his country would do the job for nothing.


We can't even get the "real Americans" here to agree whether they should gladly serve on Jury Duty. Do you think we could find enough
"real Americans" to sit a Representative for each District and two Senators from each state?

Your probably right, at least our POTUS set a good example. Serving jury duty stinks until you give it a little thought, wouldn't you rather have a jury trial than be judged? I would like to see professional jurors that get a decent cost of living wage. There's a lot of older retired people that would like something to do.


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That's why it sort of upsets me when I see "good hard working folks" doing their dangdest to get out of jury duty. From every walk of life and education level

Those are just the type I want to be on my jury.

Not necessarily a retired homemaker.

No "professional" jurors for me..........as someone mentioned, there seems to be one or two on every jury that want's to make like they know everything already. Can you imagine the "I've been doing this for 20 years now, don't tell me how it works" type of person on a jury your serving on. I can. Probably be a fist fight or a shout down with me there listening to that.


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Originally Posted by Valsdad
That's why it sort of upsets me when I see "good hard working folks" doing their dangdest to get out of jury duty. From every walk of life and education level

Those are just the type I want to be on my jury.

Not necessarily a retired homemaker.

No "professional" jurors for me..........as someone mentioned, there seems to be one or two on every jury that want's to make like they know everything already. Can you imagine the "I've been doing this for 20 years now, don't tell me how it works" type of person on a jury your serving on. I can. Probably be a fist fight or a shout down with me there listening to that.


Maybe start with a overhaul of the judicial trial process where instead of Plaintiff, Prosecution and Defense operating from a adversarial position, both sides, with a Judge’s help, work together to uncover the truth? Novel idea?

Let’s also streamline the Plea Bargaining to a point where either the Prosecutor files charges and tries them based on known facts, or releases the individual due to lack of evidence.

Early Pleas can only be offered by the defense team in an effort to lower the risk of time in prison, knowing a guilty verdict is almost a guarantee based on the uncovered and known evidence.

Lastly, If a Prosecutor plays Wheel of Fortune by taking a case to trial and loses. The State and DA’s Office has to pay all costs of the defendant’s attorney’s fee’s plus lost wages, and defamation, if there is anything provable that hurt the defendant before or during trial in the public’s eye.


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Should in their own confines with forked heads
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Maybe start with a overhaul of the judicial trial process where instead of Plaintiff, Prosecution and Defense operating from a adversarial position, both sides, with a Judge’s help, work together to uncover the truth? Novel idea?


Novel idea, most def. But, never work in reality of our world. Defense wants to "win", hoping to get more clients based on rep. Prosecution wants to "win", better for re-election and move up the political ladder (witness the number of ex prosecutors in politics). Judges might be the best place to start..............maybe.

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Let’s also streamline the Plea Bargaining to a point where either the Prosecutor files charges and tries them based on known facts, or releases the individual due to lack of evidence.


OK, except see my reply above regarding "win". Prosecutor gets a plea deal and it equals a "conviction" in the numbers game. Matters not if the bad guy gets probation. And the Prosecutor's budget takes less of a hit too.

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Early Pleas can only be offered by the defense team in an effort to lower the risk of time in prison, knowing a guilty verdict is almost a guarantee based on the uncovered and known evidence.


Sure thing. Every perp in the world that plays the game knows a plea to a lesser charge is the way to go, lower prison term and a lesser charge on the books (eg possession vs possession for distribution) . The defense attys are not going to give that cookie up easily.


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Lastly, If a Prosecutor plays Wheel of Fortune by taking a case to trial and loses. The State and DA’s Office has to pay all costs of the defendant’s attorney’s fee’s plus lost wages, and defamation, if there is anything provable that hurt the defendant before or during trial in the public’s eye.


Ouch......and ouch again..................Might be a good idea, especially in cases where the defendant is truly innocent. But, do you think the good people (taxpayers) would ever go for that? State, County, and Municipal prosecutors might never bring anyone to trial, even those caught with the proverbial smoking gun in hand. Maybe if there was a clause where they didn't have to pay if there was a complication like a failure to Mirandize the defendant, or a bad search warrant.

We're sort of stuck with what we have I'm afraid.

Then again.................................I'm a cynical Boomer


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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
“The destiny of an Empire often rest upon a single man”.


Napoleon


I watched Inglourious Basterds again last night and I couldn’t help but be reminded how precarious that truth really is.


�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.

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Originally Posted by Beaver10
2016 was the start of changes within American politics, and we are alive to witness it and even participate, if one chooses to.

Corruption in politics isn’t new, it’s always been there, always will be. But, we are living in a time where political corruption is being laid out before us. Not all of it, but chunks large enough to get our teeth into and not let it go.

We are seeing epic levels of greed, influence, social reform and revolts taking shape. Where’s it heading? What does the end of the past and a new beginning going to look like?

I hate the liberal media’s wording of “The New Normal”. Struggle isn’t NEW to Americans, we’ve always struggled to become something more, something bigger, something better.

I believe the differences lie in what each side considers better.

My better is freedom of choices for myself without infringement by others who want to control my health, wealth and safety.

Ownership and responsibility for my decision being on me, not others.

Hand ups to those who want to better their lives, and demonstrate it - Not continue a meager existence provided by government through our taxes.

Better for me is a government that works within its legal boundaries and politicians elected to serve, driven, not by a ability to prosper financially, but to serve in a process to improve America and Americans lives through equal and fair justice.

The End

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Liberalism, Socialism, and Communism isn’t the answer.






Well done man.


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Basically, the Dems believe that .gov is the answer to ALL problems.
Repubs believe that if .gov would just get the Hell out of the way, folks could solve the problems !!!


Guess which philosophy I follow.


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Originally Posted by kingston
Originally Posted by Beaver10
2016 was the start of changes within American politics, and we are alive to witness it and even participate, if one chooses to.

Corruption in politics isn’t new, it’s always been there, always will be. But, we are living in a time where political corruption is being laid out before us. Not all of it, but chunks large enough to get our teeth into and not let it go.

We are seeing epic levels of greed, influence, social reform and revolts taking shape. Where’s it heading? What does the end of the past and a new beginning going to look like?

I hate the liberal media’s wording of “The New Normal”. Struggle isn’t NEW to Americans, we’ve always struggled to become something more, something bigger, something better.

I believe the differences lie in what each side considers better.

My better is freedom of choices for myself without infringement by others who want to control my health, wealth and safety.

Ownership and responsibility for my decision being on me, not others.

Hand ups to those who want to better their lives, and demonstrate it - Not continue a meager existence provided by government through our taxes.

Better for me is a government that works within its legal boundaries and politicians elected to serve, driven, not by a ability to prosper financially, but to serve in a process to improve America and Americans lives through equal and fair justice.

The End

😎

PS
Liberalism, Socialism, and Communism isn’t the answer.






Well done man.


Beaver For President!!!




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