Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Pissing in the wind, but lets give it a try

It not only makes sense, it’s the only way to keep going long term.

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That's a big part of the problem.

And the white trash tweakers. That goes without saying.

Tweak definitely has been a factor. (meth)

I've got a good friend that had a serious drug problem (since put behind him). Smoking coke. He was at the bottom and really in crisis. He called the cops, mainly to prevent himself blowing his brains out. They arrested him for possession.

Now he wasn't selling it and wasn't hurting anyone but himself.

Perhaps a bit of 'discretion' was in order.

No, campfire consensus is it's all the blacks fault........all of society's woes.

If it weren't for the blacks taking all those "fair hiring practices" jobs, those tweakers would have been able to have nice jobs, a good self image, and there would be no need for them to do meth.

The whole law and order issue has been corrupted by elected officials, judges, lawyers, and law enforcement officers. Many laws are passed with the sole intent of generating revenue under the pretext of public safety. Then there are unenforceable laws that are passed with the intent of being additional charges added on to the orginal crime in the hope something will stick. There are so many laws you cannot go through a day without breaking a law of some kind.
I generally have no problem with how the police deal with violent criminals who present a threat to the officer or others. They have to make split second decisions that often involve life or death. If you don't want to deal with law enforcement at this level then do not commit serious crimes. I do have a problem with late night and early morning raids especially when they get the wrong address.
My main problem with law enforcement is over zealous enforcement of bull schidt revenue generating laws. Driving alone and not wearing a seat belt is a personal decision. Going 10 or even 20 miles per hour over the speed limit when there is no one else on the road endangers nobody. Not wearing a helmet on a motorcycle is a personal choice. Yes, I think officers need to have more disgression when it comes to enforcing these type laws, especially when arresting someone and creating a police record has the potential to seriously affect their life and livliehood.

In the real world there’s no perfect answer. Do you handcuff good cops and not allow common sense/discretion. Or do you work to the lowest common denominator of incompetent or dirty cop and make them robots? The same concept applies to judges do you give them leeway when giving a sentence based on individuals or due you have exact mandated sentences with no leeway for individual cases.

Either way in an imperfect world full of imperfect people there’s going to be mistakes and miscarriages of justice. Overall most police are pretty decent reasonable people in my experience and the public is best served with cameras on every officer and then granting them some discretion.

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Blanket restrictions or prohibitions on the use of choke holds, neck kneeling, OC, etc only increases the likelihood that lethal force will be used.
Properly used, those tools saves lives.

That'd be a screening and training process that would probably cut down the viable applicants to unsustainable levels, even before this current nonsense.




Ask any cop you don't hate that has kids and ask them if they would encourage their kids into that line of work. Then ask them if they would've gotten the same advice.

If it's bad now, with heavy handed or asswhole cops, like you said give it 10-20 years. Once the new hires promote up it's going to be bad beyond belief.

Did the arrest mount to much time? Judge sentence him to rehab maybe? Unfortunately for him, good possibility he has a felony on his record though. But, it sounds like it saved his life also.

Yeah, that type A personality has some good qualities for being a cop, but it's kind of like the "pit bull" problem...........they're good for the job until they're not.

Weeding out the wrong ones would cost the taxpayers too much money too. And no one wants to pay taxes, or more than they already pay.

I completely agree. There’s a lot of people that still think a plea bargain is a prosecutor letting a criminal off easy. The reality is the prosecutor has all of the power and is free to overcharge and also to basically charge someone several times for the same crime. One example is “using a computer in the commission of a crime” what difference does it make if a computer was used or not. Charge them for the crime committed. A “hate crimes” and on and on.
It’s a tool for the prosecutor to overcharge and multiple charge while at the same time having nothing to lose. It’s the person being charged looking at years in jail the prosecutor gets paid either way and never loses a dime. So they’re free to charge through the nose and if they lose so what. The person being overcharged is almost forced to take a plea or go bankrupt fighting a serious charge if they win and prison if they lose.

No. Took a life changing accident to do that. Not drug related. No time. The conviction was expunged, I believe.

And here we sit.......

Well, seems someone was looking out for him, one way or another.

Glad he's off the "stuff" now.

I would save money and eliminate police departments especially in small communities. You could do what Communists did after the war to protect citizens. Every so often on regular basis each able-bodied member of village in small group would have to patrol area to prevent problems and issues. With everyone in countryside armed to teeth why do you need police force in the first place? It is just like with subsidizing huge military apparatus with tax based money and zero probability of invasion from foreign sources. The Chinese are doing very good business w/o having military bases where they conduct economic ventures indicating that this can actually be done.

I can't wait to see the replies to THAT post Slavek

How do they do it in your country?