It's all relative I guess. I've crossed paths with some folks (even in the open west) who adamantly believe that all rifle hunting should be banned, because even a 100 yard shot is unsporting. Blackheart would not be a true hunter to those people.
You know what people say about opinions and all...
Call it shooting instead of hunting if you'd like, Blackheart. That's fine. In 2017 I took an elk at 558 yards and a deer at less than 20. I learned something from each experience and enjoyed both of the "hunts".
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
It's about what constitutes sporting, ethical and fair chase, what if anything doesn't and where you draw the line dummy.
You don't get to draw another persons line. Draw your own.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
It's about what constitutes sporting, ethical and fair chase, what if anything doesn't and where you draw the line dummy.
You don't get to draw another persons line. Draw your own.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
Just for grins, what is the distance it becomes sporting?
Rifles, muzzle loaders, slug guns, scopes, archery, chasing them down with dogs..... you boys are wimps, and wasting good $$ on unnecessary equipment!
Oatmeal cookie in one hand, and a ball-peen hammer in the other. Look 'em square in the eye before bashing its brains in..... now that's "hunting" up close and personal.
It's all relative I guess. I've crossed paths with some folks (even in the open west) who adamantly believe that all rifle hunting should be banned, because even a 100 yard shot is unsporting. Blackheart would not be a true hunter to those people.
You know what people say about opinions and all...
Call it shooting instead of hunting if you'd like, Blackheart. That's fine. In 2017 I took an elk at 558 yards and a deer at less than 20. I learned something from each experience and enjoyed both of the "hunts".
The vast majority of my deer have been taken at less than 50 yards and many under 20 with rifle, muzzleloader, bow, shotgun and handgun.
Rifles, muzzle loaders, slug guns, scopes, archery, chasing them down with dogs..... you boys are wimps, and wasting good $$ on unnecessary equipment!
Oatmeal cookie in one hand, and a ball-peen hammer in the other. Look 'em square in the eye before bashing its brains in..... now that's "hunting" up close and personal.
Dogs are illegal here. Another example of hunters placing restrictions on other hunters and themselves as to what constitutes fair chase.
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
It's about what constitutes sporting, ethical and fair chase, what if anything doesn't and where you draw the line dummy.
You don't get to draw another persons line. Draw your own.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
Just for grins, what is the distance it becomes sporting?
Doing away with rangefinders would go a long way toward giving game a sporting chance. Folks filled tags without them for a long time but probably not many at distances where the animal had little to no chance of detecting danger and making an escape.
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
It's about what constitutes sporting, ethical and fair chase, what if anything doesn't and where you draw the line dummy.
You don't get to draw another persons line. Draw your own.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
Just for grins, what is the distance it becomes sporting?
Doing away with rangefinders would go a long way toward giving game a sporting chance. Folks filled tags without them for a long time but probably not many at distances where the animal had little to no chance chance of detecting danger and making an escape.
I meant at what distance is it sporting to kill animals while giving them the chance to escape?
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
It's about what constitutes sporting, ethical and fair chase, what if anything doesn't and where you draw the line dummy.
You don't get to draw another persons line. Draw your own.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
Just for grins, what is the distance it becomes sporting?
Doing away with rangefinders would go a long way toward giving game a sporting chance. Folks filled tags without them for a long time but probably not many at distances where the animal had little to no chance chance of detecting danger and making an escape.
I meant at what distance is it sporting to kill animals while giving them the chance to escape?
That's what I'm asking all of you. As for me, as I said before, if you can stand there having a conversation with your buddies in full voice and have to yell just for the deer to even hear you, and even then it can't identify what it heard or where it came from, it's too far for it to have a reasonable chance at detecting danger and making an escape.
Burns, which is better on average at tracking and zero retention, Leupold or Nightforce?
I don't have a dog in this fight but in order to answer that question wouldn't one have to know the total number of scopes built by Leupold and Nightforce? That is a number that I doubt that either company would give out as public info. Then of course you would have to weed out the ones that where the failure was caused by accidental damage rather than a scope design or manufacture fault. It seems to me that you are asking a question that is impossible to answer.
drover
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Burns, which is better on average at tracking and zero retention, Leupold or Nightforce?
I don't have a dog in this fight but in order to answer that question wouldn't one have to know the total number of scopes built by Leupold and Nightforce? That is a number that I doubt that either company would give out as public info. Then of course you would have to weed out the ones that where the failure was caused by accidental damage rather than a scope design or manufacture fault. It seems to me that you are asking a question that is impossible to answer.
drover
No, but thats how I expect Burns to answer, if he will even touch it.
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
It's about what constitutes sporting, ethical and fair chase, what if anything doesn't and where you draw the line dummy.
You don't get to draw another persons line. Draw your own.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
Just for grins, what is the distance it becomes sporting?
Doing away with rangefinders would go a long way toward giving game a sporting chance. Folks filled tags without them for a long time but probably not many at distances where the animal had little to no chance of detecting danger and making an escape.
I think doing away with rangefinders would cause a LOT more wounded critters, even more than there already are from folks shooting at distances they shouldn't shoot from, with or without rangefinders. These are the same people that shouldn't be shooting deer at 50 yards, let alone 500.
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