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A liberal in the classical John Locke sense was someone along the lines of America’s founders and all about limited government and maximum individual freedom. Like so many other terms the left are masters at co-opting terms and changing the definition to suit them. We on the right have never been effective playing that game.
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I’m confused on something. Why do the rich people want communist rule. The commies want everybody the same. What a dream! The rich want to stay rich but they finance commies. They have more money than is possible to spend and the power to do whatever they want. As in child sex and drugs or anything else. What’s the real reason behind them? Edk as far as I understand it Soros has become ridiculously rich via capitalist endeavours, yet he’s been giving his money away hand over fist to those that would tear the down the system that put him where he is and take everything he has if they achieve their goals, doesn’t make sense, it’s like giving a crow bar to a burglar who’s trying to break into your house.
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I’m confused on something. Why do the rich people want communist rule. The commies want everybody the same. What a dream! The rich want to stay rich but they finance commies. They have more money than is possible to spend and the power to do whatever they want. As in child sex and drugs or anything else. What’s the real reason behind them? Edk Look at any communist or socialist country and you'll see that there is always a class of super rich and then a peasant class. A free, capitalistic system gives rise to a large middle class and that's where the power resides, as the scale slides towards totalitarianism more and more power resides in an oligarchy. The oligarchy can go by different names whether it be politburo, nobility, priesthood (ancient cultures), etc. They're the powers behind the throne as they say, they support and enable the rulers in exchange for favors and wealth. Look at Venezuela where people are starving yet Chavez and Maduro cronies are fabulously wealthy. Chavez's daughter has managed to siphon off $4 billion while Venezuelans are eating their cats. Communists don't want everybody the same, they want 99% to be the same (poor) while the 1% who rule are fabulously wealthy. The super rich enable commies because they benefit from it in a symbiotic relationship. They get richer when they're the ones backing the rulers, it's good to be a "friend" of the King. The ones that get hammered by socialist/communist policies are the middle class, they can't be allowed to prosper because a prosperous middle class citizen thinks for himself and is hard to control. "Tax the rich" is the common slogan of democrats but what they really mean is tax the middle and upper middle class, not the truly rich. The Bill Gates, George Soros, Jeff Bezos types are engrained enough in the ruling class that no taxation scheme is really going to affect them, they have enough politicians in their pockets to ensure the laws are written for them. A professional couple making $400,000 a year is going to get fleeced by democrats though. Many people will call them rich but that's not rich, that's just upper middle class and they don't have the clout to avoid being fleeced. The truly rich want socialism/communism because they get richer and more powerful under it.
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2 types (at least): 1. The Exploiter 2. The Sheep
Broncos are officially the worst team in the nation this year.
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Life is good live it while you can.
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Hypocrites ....
...all of them.
Even old friends that continue to follow liberal agendas , I have nothing to do with them anymore. Sad.
Gun Shows are almost as comical as boat ramps in the Spring.
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A liberal is any person that breaks away from traditional values and ideals.
So yes, our Founding Father’s we’re liberals and that is a good thing.
Today a liberal is a bad thing because they’re opposing what our Founding Father’s stood for.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I’m confused on something. Why do the rich people want communist rule. The commies want everybody the same. What a dream! The rich want to stay rich but they finance commies. They have more money than is possible to spend and the power to do whatever they want. As in child sex and drugs or anything else. What’s the real reason behind them? Edk They don’t. Liberals are not communists but communists do disguise themselves as liberals. Liberals are the proverbial “useful idiots” used by communists. They don’t know what’s coming until it’s too late.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I’m baffled that Soros and his boy are not in jail. Sedition, conspiracy, treason come to mind. Soros has four sons. My bad. Throw away 5 keys rather than 2.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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A liberal is any person that breaks away from traditional values and ideals.
So yes, our Founding Father’s we’re liberals and that is a good thing.
Today a liberal is a bad thing because they’re opposing what our Founding Father’s stood for.
Never go Full retard Dflave
Laws change, people die and the land remains the same
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It also allows me to voice something I've been thinking for some time now: What the hell happened to being a liberal?
At some time in the past, "liberal" meant believing that a person should be allowed to go his own way, make his own choices, and accept what those choices led to. Nobody had the right to control anyone else. Nobody had the right to punish others for the decisions they made. What was yours was yours to use as you saw fit.
But today, our so-called liberals take every opportunity to control every aspect of everyone else's lives. Every choice others might make are prohibited or made mandatory. Nobody can be held responsible for what they do - except for those who oppose the "liberals." Everything imaginable is taxed, restricted, redefined, or abolished.
There is virtually nothing liberal in being today's liberal.
Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.
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It also allows me to voice something I've been thinking for some time now: What the hell happened to being a liberal?
At some time in the past, "liberal" meant believing that a person should be allowed to go his own way, make his own choices, and accept what those choices led to. Nobody had the right to control anyone else. Nobody had the right to punish others for the decisions they made. What was yours was yours to use as you saw fit.
But today, our so-called liberals take every opportunity to control every aspect of everyone else's lives. Every choice others might make are prohibited or made mandatory. Nobody can be held responsible for what they do - except for those who oppose the "liberals." Everything imaginable is taxed, restricted, redefined, or abolished.
There is virtually nothing liberal in being today's liberal. Well said Great case-in-point; ACLU. Used to stand up for minority positions no matter how unpalatable but now enforcers of PC speech codes.
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A liberal is any person that breaks away from traditional values and ideals.
So yes, our Founding Father’s we’re liberals and that is a good thing.
Today a liberal is a bad thing because they’re opposing what our Founding Father’s stood for.
Never go Full retard Dflave Ginther, How many flavors of dick did you try this weekend? LOL
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Saying you are a liberal is an admission of severe mental health issues.
Sam......
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For years/decades, I’ve said that calling Democrats liberals, is incorrect. Doesn’t do any good. The name has become synonymous with Democrats.
Just like AntiFa, they aren’t anti fascist!
if a man speaks, and there isn't a woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?
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For years/decades, I’ve said that calling Democrats liberals, is incorrect. Doesn’t do any good. The name has become synonymous with Democrats.
Just like AntiFa, they aren’t anti fascist! Good point. Ask the same question on Democratic Underground. I'd like to hear what a self proclaimed liberal has for an answer. As stated, antifa, is a complete fraud. Trump is the real antifa. Hammering China should be the top priority of any anti fascist.
@jameslavish
If you work 40 hrs/wk: at 5% inflation and after 5 years, you need a 28% pay raise or to work 44 more hours (*one full extra week* per month+) to make up the difference.
This is inflation
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The totalitarian and authoritarian left gradually misappropriated the label liberal. Originally, it applied to the thinking of men like Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, i.e., minimal government, maximized personal liberty, under law, i.e., you were free to do what you wanted to do, till you wrongfully harmed another, and a regular citizen rarely if ever had any direct contact with government, so long as he never wrongfully harmed another.
Today, we'd call that either traditional conservatism or moderate libertarianism, since the label "liberalism" has come to mean the precise opposite of what it used to mean.
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As I understand it (and I may be wrong). Soros made his money manipulating currency in Europe. I believe that he almost brought down the English government through his manipulation of the pound sterling, and I believe that there is an open warrant for his arrest in an eastern European country. Also, Lenin and Marx used the mobs to their advantage and then dumped them as soon as they had served their purpose, as did Stalin and Kruschev. What is happening is straight out of the marxist playbook.
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The Founding Fathers were also white nationalists. Hell,...even Lincoln was a white nationalist.
They would all be called Nazis today for the opinions they held.
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liberal, communist, marxists, socialist, democrat, moderates, all turds from the same shltpot.
Conservatives do not:
lbgtq
ph-agotry
bi-ph-agotry
pedo
fund money hungry lying ass preachers.................kenneth copeland anyone?.............500 million.
stick anything in their ass or anyone elses ass
dope
condone or look the other way about dope/ph-agotry.........................well as long as it doesn't effect me.......fu-k you, you're part of the problem.
open borders
free shlt.........nothings free, working conservatives pay for it!
take their hard earned money and give to those that wont
kill babys
adultery
take another mans wife, kids, house because you want to bang the whore
stab a man in the back for a dollar/job, business or otherwise
again looking the other way in the name of profit, vested interests in dope houses, big pharma etc, when you know it's wrong and wrong for the country in the long run, but fu-k it, I'm making money, well fu-k you, you're part of the problem!
All participators in the listed above are part of the problem!
Anyone want to tell me what's so good about liberalism, moral reprobates, greed? didn't think so, not a GD thing!
Trump Won!
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