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I sleep with a fan on to drown out road noise and have even slept with ear plugs in. In my estimation it is entirely possible that the police did announce themselves and it is entirely possible that the man that fired the shots didn't know it was the police. Maybe all he saw was the bright lights of their flashlights.
I guess I should apologize for being non-binary on this forum. maybe we should relay on the testimony and facts the grand jury had in hand instead of internet speculation. When is Walker's trial for whatever he was charged with for shooting at the cops. The grand jury based on evidence presented to them declined to press charges. They are a jury of 12 in Kentucky requiring a 9 member majority for charges. They had access to much more than you do. That is a fact. That is the law as it is in Kentucky. Walker case is distinct from whether to charge the officers. IOW, even if Walker was not guilty of anything at all the decision as to whether the officers were justified is a distinct set of facts. If you had read, even remotely attentively, you would see that my responses have been narrowly focused on Walker's response. I don't know why in the hell you are addressing yesterday's GJ results with me. If you want to switch topics, my opinion is that dropping the charges against Walker was correct and that the GJ got it right yesterday. I was addressing your statement here. "I sleep with a fan on to drown out road noise and have even slept with ear plugs in. In my estimation it is entirely possible that the police did announce themselves and it is entirely possible that the man that fired the shots didn't know it was the police. Maybe all he saw was the bright lights of their flashlights. "
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I dunno, if someone kicks in my door in the middle of the night......
I bet every one of us has a gun placed somewhere strategic just for that reason know this: The cops KNOCKED and identified themselves before busting in on a legal warrant... You do realize that that exact pattern is standard practice in home invasion robbery, though, right? I don't know about "standard pattern", but what are the cops supposed to do if they knock and the folks inside either refuse verbally to open the door or say nothing?
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I dunno, if someone kicks in my door in the middle of the night......
I bet every one of us has a gun placed somewhere strategic just for that reason No one kicked in the door. Witnesses daid tha cops knocked for several minutes. So said the Kentucky arrorney general. Wait! Try and think logically. Even if they knocked, to gain entry they either had to be let in, or, they had to break the door down. No one has stated that Mr.Walker or Ms Taylor answered the door, let the police in and then Mr. Walker shot them. So, If they did not let the police in by answering the door, HOW did the police gain entry IF they didn't break down the door. Did they say "Open Sesame"???
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It's certainly not a surprise that you hold yourself in high regard.
I mean can you blame me?
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Well, the gun was legally owned and possessed and he shot at what he thought were intruders forcing their way into his home. The police say they knocked and announced, but did the armed occupant hear or comprehend that from a sound sleep? The shooter said he didn't hear it and thought his house was being invaded. He was arrested but the charges were dropped. It was determined to be justified, and as such, makes it legal.
I can understand how this could happen. A number of years back the house I was living in was burglarized in the middle of the night when I was out of town. My roommates reported the break-in after returning home from a night out partying. A week later the patrol officer who responded to the call knocked on my door at 3 am, for what reason I was never entirely sure. Waking up from a sound sleep with someone knocking on my door, after having been burglarized, I threw on my pants and grabbed my .357. I peered thru my window and saw the cop car in the driveway before answering the door. I don't know if he ever announced himself, if he did, I didn't hear it. Had he busted down my door before I could figure out who he was, he would have been met with shots. I put my pistol down and answered the door. He asked a few questions about how the investigation was going, that could have been asked at a more appropriate time and left. The neighbors heard it, if they heard it he heard it, so says the GJ
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I am not a supporter of no knock warrants on Americans... I agree. Look up the case of Duncan Lemp. He was the subject of a no-knock warrant, also last March, after an anonymous call where he was red-flagged for illegally possessing firearms. He was 21 and had a juvenile record, he was also a member of "right-wing militia-type organizations". Some would call him a "white supremacist". He was killed in the execution of the warrant. The details of the incident are disputed between the police and other occupants of the house, but so far, police have refused to release the police body cam footage to clear up the dispute. The police executed a no-knock warrant in the middle of the night based on an ANONYMOUS red-flag call. Some idiot judge thought that was appropriate. Duncan Lemp was killed while in his room with his pregnant girlfriend. Everyone of us who owns guns might have a neighbor who hates your Trump sign who could make a call and put you in that same situation. How would you react to a no-knock invasion of your house in the middle of the night. Think about that for awhile. Bingo!
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Well, the gun was legally owned and possessed and he shot at what he thought were intruders forcing their way into his home. The police say they knocked and announced, but did the armed occupant hear or comprehend that from a sound sleep? The shooter said he didn't hear it and thought his house was being invaded. He was arrested but the charges were dropped. It was determined to be justified, and as such, makes it legal. Of course he’s going to say he thought he was shooting at burglars. He’d be nuts to say yeah the police came to serve a warrant so I fired on them! The neighbors heard the police identity themselves as police. The police were there to serve a warrant on his girlfriend who WAS a drug dealer. There’s no doubt that Taylor was heavily involved in drug dealing. He was likely a dealer (hard to imagine that he worked a 9-5 while his girlfriend ran a fairly large local hard drug trafficking enterprise). In this political climate they weren’t going to charge him. They spent months looking at every possible angle to charge an officer with anything they could vaguely come up with. The most likely scenario is that he was dealer he almost certainly new that his girlfriend was a distributor and key player in the local door game and based on that alone should have expected an eventual raid. If that weren’t enough the neighbors stated that they heard the police clearly announce themselves. Even if the police only shouted “Police” a split second before kicking down the door that’s still way more than enough time to not fire at them. You are making a lot of assumptions that have not been proved. The warrant was to look for drugs the police THOUGHT were being stored in her apartment by her then former boyfriend who was the drug dealer. No drugs were found in her apartment. IF it had been used to store drugs (and that's a big unproven IF) they no longer were there. There is nothing to implicate the shooter as being a drug dealer. The police haven't alleged as such and he was not on the warrant. If you were to date someone who had once dated a guy involved in some illegal activity and were at her place, would you expect a police raid?? And - - just because the neighbors heard the police announce themselves does not mean the house occupants heard it. Some people have on headphones, are sound sleepers etc etc. No-knock warrants (even if they did knock) executed in the middle of the night should be reserved for the most dangerous suspects with lots of intel behind it and not used to do a search for drugs. If you look up the stats, you might be surprised at how common no-knock warrants actually are and how easily judges grant them. They should be VERY hard to get. Good luck coaxing him into reading comprehension. Says the dunce that wants to go be the “smartest guy in Africa” but can’t figure out how to book a flight!
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I dunno, if someone kicks in my door in the middle of the night......
I bet every one of us has a gun placed somewhere strategic just for that reason know this: The cops KNOCKED and identified themselves before busting in on a legal warrant... You do realize that that exact pattern is standard practice in home invasion robbery, though, right? Cool. I guess the moral of the story is dont lay down with a dope dealin hood hoe and of course know your target prior to busting a cap. Or if you do...I guess "air out" da popo...dawg...
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The neighbors heard it, if they heard it he heard it, so says the GJ Then why did the GJ decide not to indict Mr. Walker for shooting the policeman? If the GJ thought that Mr. Walker knew it was the police that broke into his house (and why were the police in plain clothes?) why didn't they indict him with attempted murder. They must have believed him when he stated he didn't know it was the police. The assumption that because someone else heard something that means others must have heard it too is ludicrous.
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Well, the gun was legally owned and possessed and he shot at what he thought were intruders forcing their way into his home. The police say they knocked and announced, but did the armed occupant hear or comprehend that from a sound sleep? The shooter said he didn't hear it and thought his house was being invaded. He was arrested but the charges were dropped. It was determined to be justified, and as such, makes it legal. Of course he’s going to say he thought he was shooting at burglars. He’d be nuts to say yeah the police came to serve a warrant so I fired on them! The neighbors heard the police identity themselves as police. The police were there to serve a warrant on his girlfriend who WAS a drug dealer. There’s no doubt that Taylor was heavily involved in drug dealing. He was likely a dealer (hard to imagine that he worked a 9-5 while his girlfriend ran a fairly large local hard drug trafficking enterprise). In this political climate they weren’t going to charge him. They spent months looking at every possible angle to charge an officer with anything they could vaguely come up with. The most likely scenario is that he was dealer he almost certainly new that his girlfriend was a distributor and key player in the local door game and based on that alone should have expected an eventual raid. If that weren’t enough the neighbors stated that they heard the police clearly announce themselves. Even if the police only shouted “Police” a split second before kicking down the door that’s still way more than enough time to not fire at them. You are making a lot of assumptions that have not been proved. The warrant was to look for drugs the police THOUGHT were being stored in her apartment by her then former boyfriend who was the drug dealer. No drugs were found in her apartment. IF it had been used to store drugs (and that's a big unproven IF) they no longer were there. There is nothing to implicate the shooter as being a drug dealer. The police haven't alleged as such and he was not on the warrant. If you were to date someone who had once dated a guy involved in some illegal activity and were at her place, would you expect a police raid?? And - - just because the neighbors heard the police announce themselves does not mean the house occupants heard it. Some people have on headphones, are sound sleepers etc etc. No-knock warrants (even if they did knock) executed in the middle of the night should be reserved for the most dangerous suspects with lots of intel behind it and not used to do a search for drugs. If you look up the stats, you might be surprised at how common no-knock warrants actually are and how easily judges grant them. They should be VERY hard to get. Well, the gun was legally owned and possessed and he shot at what he thought were intruders forcing their way into his home. The police say they knocked and announced, but did the armed occupant hear or comprehend that from a sound sleep? The shooter said he didn't hear it and thought his house was being invaded. He was arrested but the charges were dropped. It was determined to be justified, and as such, makes it legal. Of course he’s going to say he thought he was shooting at burglars. He’d be nuts to say yeah the police came to serve a warrant so I fired on them! The neighbors heard the police identity themselves as police. The police were there to serve a warrant on his girlfriend who WAS a drug dealer. There’s no doubt that Taylor was heavily involved in drug dealing. He was likely a dealer (hard to imagine that he worked a 9-5 while his girlfriend ran a fairly large local hard drug trafficking enterprise). In this political climate they weren’t going to charge him. They spent months looking at every possible angle to charge an officer with anything they could vaguely come up with. The most likely scenario is that he was dealer he almost certainly new that his girlfriend was a distributor and key player in the local door game and based on that alone should have expected an eventual raid. If that weren’t enough the neighbors stated that they heard the police clearly announce themselves. Even if the police only shouted “Police” a split second before kicking down the door that’s still way more than enough time to not fire at them. You are making a lot of assumptions that have not been proved. The warrant was to look for drugs the police THOUGHT were being stored in her apartment by her then former boyfriend who was the drug dealer. No drugs were found in her apartment. IF it had been used to store drugs (and that's a big unproven IF) they no longer were there. There is nothing to implicate the shooter as being a drug dealer. The police haven't alleged as such and he was not on the warrant. If you were to date someone who had once dated a guy involved in some illegal activity and were at her place, would you expect a police raid?? And - - just because the neighbors heard the police announce themselves does not mean the house occupants heard it. Some people have on headphones, are sound sleepers etc etc. No-knock warrants (even if they did knock) executed in the middle of the night should be reserved for the most dangerous suspects with lots of intel behind it and not used to do a search for drugs. If you look up the stats, you might be surprised at how common no-knock warrants actually are and how easily judges grant them. They should be VERY hard to get. Well, the gun was legally owned and possessed and he shot at what he thought were intruders forcing their way into his home. The police say they knocked and announced, but did the armed occupant hear or comprehend that from a sound sleep? The shooter said he didn't hear it and thought his house was being invaded. He was arrested but the charges were dropped. It was determined to be justified, and as such, makes it legal. Of course he’s going to say he thought he was shooting at burglars. He’d be nuts to say yeah the police came to serve a warrant so I fired on them! The neighbors heard the police identity themselves as police. The police were there to serve a warrant on his girlfriend who WAS a drug dealer. There’s no doubt that Taylor was heavily involved in drug dealing. He was likely a dealer (hard to imagine that he worked a 9-5 while his girlfriend ran a fairly large local hard drug trafficking enterprise). In this political climate they weren’t going to charge him. They spent months looking at every possible angle to charge an officer with anything they could vaguely come up with. The most likely scenario is that he was dealer he almost certainly new that his girlfriend was a distributor and key player in the local door game and based on that alone should have expected an eventual raid. If that weren’t enough the neighbors stated that they heard the police clearly announce themselves. Even if the police only shouted “Police” a split second before kicking down the door that’s still way more than enough time to not fire at them. You are making a lot of assumptions that have not been proved. The warrant was to look for drugs the police THOUGHT were being stored in her apartment by her then former boyfriend who was the drug dealer. No drugs were found in her apartment. IF it had been used to store drugs (and that's a big unproven IF) they no longer were there. There is nothing to implicate the shooter as being a drug dealer. The police haven't alleged as such and he was not on the warrant. If you were to date someone who had once dated a guy involved in some illegal activity and were at her place, would you expect a police raid?? And - - just because the neighbors heard the police announce themselves does not mean the house occupants heard it. Some people have on headphones, are sound sleepers etc etc. No-knock warrants (even if they did knock) executed in the middle of the night should be reserved for the most dangerous suspects with lots of intel behind it and not used to do a search for drugs. If you look up the stats, you might be surprised at how common no-knock warrants actually are and how easily judges grant them. They should be VERY hard to get. There’s no question that she was dealing for her other boyfriend. There’s recorded jailhouse phone conversations discussing it and her car was being tracked going to the known “trap house” along with her talking about the “trap house.” The police didn’t get the drugs but there is no doubt that she was hugely involved in the drug trade.
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I dunno, if someone kicks in my door in the middle of the night......
I bet every one of us has a gun placed somewhere strategic just for that reason know this: The cops KNOCKED and identified themselves before busting in on a legal warrant... You do realize that that exact pattern is standard practice in home invasion robbery, though, right? I don't know about "standard pattern", but what are the cops supposed to do if they knock and the folks inside either refuse verbally to open the door or say nothing? Like high speed chases through the center of town, I think nighttime home raids should be outlawed due to the too high likelihood of death to innocent parties. Serve the warrant during daylight hours, in uniform, with several marked cop cars within view of the house's windows. The only exception should be where there's credible evidence that some innocent party's life is immanently at risk within the home.
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The neighbors heard it, if they heard it he heard it, so says the GJ Then why did the GJ decide not to indict Mr. Walker for shooting the policeman? If the GJ thought that Mr. Walker knew it was the police that broke into his house (and why were the police in plain clothes?) why didn't they indict him with attempted murder. They must have believed him when he stated he didn't know it was the police. The assumption that because someone else heard something that means others must have heard it too is ludicrous. It’s the political climate dumbazz
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The neighbors heard it, if they heard it he heard it, so says the GJ Then why did the GJ decide not to indict Mr. Walker for shooting the policeman? If the GJ thought that Mr. Walker knew it was the police that broke into his house (and why were the police in plain clothes?) why didn't they indict him with attempted murder. They must have believed him when he stated he didn't know it was the police. The assumption that because someone else heard something that means others must have heard it too is ludicrous. It’s the political climate dumbazz If it's the political climate dumbazz, then why didn't the GJ indict the officers on more serious charges? Dumbazz!
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This morning Napolitano said the guy in Taylor's apartment fired his gun LEGALLY when he shot the cop in the leg.
What's wrong with that guy? Hes a rino.
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Like high speed chases through the center of town, I think nighttime home raids should be outlawed due to the too high likelihood of death to innocent parties. Serve the warrant during daylight hours, in uniform, with several marked cop cars within view of the house's windows. The only exception should be where there's credible evidence that some innocent party's life is immanently at risk within the home. 100% in agreement.
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I dunno, if someone kicks in my door in the middle of the night......
I bet every one of us has a gun placed somewhere strategic just for that reason I’m kinda with ya on that one.
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The neighbors heard it, if they heard it he heard it, so says the GJ Then why did the GJ decide not to indict Mr. Walker for shooting the policeman? If the GJ thought that Mr. Walker knew it was the police that broke into his house (and why were the police in plain clothes?) why didn't they indict him with attempted murder. They must have believed him when he stated he didn't know it was the police. The assumption that because someone else heard something that means others must have heard it too is ludicrous. It’s the political climate dumbazz If it's the political climate dumbazz, then why didn't the GJ indict the officers on more serious charges? Dumbazz! It’s the political climate. Same reason they havent indicted other perps. They dont want to wrongly file on the cops as it would lead to trials and each aquittal would result in the same pillaging all over again.
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I guess it would be a thread killer to ask you men to read Andrea Widburg's piece in the American Spectator.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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It’s the political climate. Same reason they havent indicted other perps.
They dont want to wrongly file on the cops as it would lead to trials and each aquittal would result in the same pillaging all over again. So, your attempt at reasoning is: The GJ decided not to charge the cops (resulting in riots) because if they had charged them and the cops were acquitted by a jury trial, it would result in - - - riots. Gotcha! 
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The neighbors heard it, if they heard it he heard it, so says the GJ Then why did the GJ decide not to indict Mr. Walker for shooting the policeman? If the GJ thought that Mr. Walker knew it was the police that broke into his house (and why were the police in plain clothes?) why didn't they indict him with attempted murder. They must have believed him when he stated he didn't know it was the police. The assumption that because someone else heard something that means others must have heard it too is ludicrous. It’s the political climate dumbazz If it's the political climate dumbazz, then why didn't the GJ indict the officers on more serious charges? Dumbazz! More serious charges? Such as what? He took months and only after riots was he able to manage a relatively minor charge against one officer. A charge that we all no was politically motivated and would never have been charged if not for the political climate/riots going on.
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