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So my ignoramus of a little brother called me called me yesterday to inform me that he voted. He was drunk as Hell, as usual, and he started in on Trump in an overly loud and sarcastic voice, making remarks about how great Trump was and that he loves being unemployed, how great a job Trump's done handling the Kung Flu & the economy, ad nauseam. Of course, when I attempted to refute any of his idiotic statements, he'd raise his voice and start frothing at the mouth. After a few minutes, I'd had enough and with understated fury, I very distinctly said: "YOU'RE A F*CKING MORON!" and I hung up on him. I've never hung-up on my brother before. A few minutes later, he began a barrage of text messages, each more asinine than the last.

I've known for decades that my brother's a f*cking Leftist, and I've been avoiding a knock-down, drag-out with him because, well, we all know how futile attempting a civil discussion with a rabid Leftist can be. Sure, we've had conversations regarding politics on occasion, but half the time I have no f*cking idea what he's on about, and I've told him exactly that. I'm not claiming to be an expert in politics, but I have taken the time to research my beliefs and ferret out the truth. I'm also the first to tell you that I'm not the smartest guy in room, but I did go back to school after 25 years since I earned my bachelors degree and I earned a Master's degree in geology, which was heavy on high-level calculus, chemistry, geochemistry, physics and trig. I also wrote and published a 162 page, highly technical thesis, which has now been downloaded by almost 60 scientists and universities world-wide. All this was no easy feat, I can assure you. My purpose in stating all this is to impress upon you that I am not a f*cking idiot and when I tell you that I couldn't follow - or even understand - his arguments I mean just that. He's a moron, so attempting to understand the arguments of a Leftist moron is probably not even possible.

So, I've mainly been avoiding a confrontation with my brother for all these years because I wanted to avoid any contention between us, after all, he is my brother. This time; however, he crossed the line and I've had enough.

As far as my brother is concerned, I simply cannot understand why an educated man who loves the outdoors, guns and fishing, and who purportedly loves America and Liberty can be such a f*cking rabid Leftist. This is all the more humorous (or maybe I should say tragic) because he holds himself out as an Independent.

I have gone to great lengths to purge Leftists and Marxists from my life. I do not tolerate them unless absolutely necessary. Friends are one thing, family is another. Though the CA contingency of my family is comprised of many Marxists, I do little more than tolerate them. I do not wish my brother to fall into that category as well.

So I wrote him a letter since civil discussion is impossible. I am torn and I cannot decide if I should send it to him or not. I can keep the peace by not sending it. Sending it may irreparably harm our relationship as brothers, but then again, maybe he'll realize what a f*cking moron he is, which is probably a pipe dream. Below is a brief rough draft that I was planning to flesh out for many more pages, citing each of Trump's many great accomplishments, while refuting many of the common Marxist ascertains, but why should I go to the trouble? Maybe because he's my brother, but I see it as a fool's errand. Below is the letter for your perusal. I would appreciate your comments. Again, this is a rough draft.

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Brother,

The vastness of your ignorance is absolutely astounding. Every single statement you made to me, both during our conversation and in the subsequent text messages you sent to me was dead wrong. I find it incredible that you actually believe the statements you made, all of which has lead me to the obvious, inevitable, and foregone conclusion that you, sir, are a Marxist. You clearly are not an Independent, nor are you capable of critical thought, as you claim. There is no other explanation for your beliefs. Every single contention you made was patently false. Not only that, but almost everything you stated sounded as if it was coming directly from the commie-loving mainstream media (MSM), which makes you a good Bolshevik that falls into line with the Marxist party doctrine, not an independent free-thinker. I am truly saddened by the knowledge that should there be another civil war in this country (many believe it has already started) that you and I would be on opposite sides.

Regarding your text messages to me, your first mistake was stating that I needed to be deprogrammed. This is exactly what a Marxist would say to someone who does not share his beliefs. For proof, just look at unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers, who in 1969, estimated that a minimum of 25 million Americans would have to be eliminated (executed) in reeducation camps (Jasper, William F., Obama’s Friend Ayers: Kill 25 Million Americans, NewAmerican, 2008). Updated to today’s population levels, that estimate rises to somewhere around 50 million. For you to even suggest this to me belies your true beliefs.

Your second error was calling me a cult member. So according to you, anyone who supports our President and his many outstanding accomplishments, believes in the Constitution, has Conservative values, believes in liberty, personal responsibility, small government, a strong national defense, and border security is a cult member? I believe you’ll find the legion of Conservatives in this country would strongly disagree with you.

Your third text message to me was utterly asinine. When I read it, all I could do was slowly shake my head in wonder and disgust at the depth of delusion you must be under to believe such a idiotic statement. You stated, and I quote, “If you think you can fight this, know there are far more weapons on this side [sic]” Though I know you would never threaten me, this statement sounds suspiciously like a threat. Do you actually believe that a bunch of leftist, commie-loving Marxists own more weapons than the Conservative majority of this country? Do you truly believe that? The force delusion is strong with this one, (Vader, Darth, Star Wars Episode IV, 1977). There is somewhere between 412 and 660 million firearms in America today (Jacques, Jenn, How many Guns Are There in the US? A Lot More Than You Think, 2019). The vast majority of those weapons are owned by Conservatives and, as I’m sure you’re loath to acknowledge, Conservatives still vastly outnumber Marxists in this country. The MSM would have you believe that all these Marxists ideas and plans are mainstream in America today, and as American as baseball, Mom and apple pie. Don’t you believe it.

Insert Image: American gun ownership map by political party

Fourth text message: “And this side is Democracy [sic]” Despite myself, this gem of yours made me smile. First and foremost, Young, misguided, brother o’ mine, The United States of America is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. You may call your side ‘Democracy,’ or ‘Democratic Socialist,’ or whatever new word-manipulated term “your side” comes up with to disguise their true intentions, but the true meaning of any and all of these terms is Marxist.

You blamed Trump for your lack of employment. Though we are both currently in perilous positions, I am far more invested that you: I expended an incredible amount of time, effort and expense to earn a master's degree, which so far, has proven to be virtually useless. When have you ever seen me blame Trump? It is not the duty of the President of the United States to provide you with a job. The duty of the President, and by extension, the US government, is foremost to protect our country from aggressors (both militarily and economically) and to provide a climate that is conducive to economic growth, without undue regulation, onerous taxation, interference, oppression or tyranny.

My advice to you is to stop drinking and stop being such a f*cking moron.

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NOTES:
Where are all the dead polor bears, where are all the dead people from the neverbeforeseen heat waves sweeping across America? You stated that everyone was going to get COVId – then explain this:

Insert Image: Actual Kung Flu stats:

It’s always easier to go with the flow than to expend the time and effort to look past the MSM bullshit and do the work necessary to ferret out the truth.

I resent having to write you this letter, but it’s been a long time coming and you just crossed the line with all your idiotic statements

I know you’re a froth-at-the-mouth BLM supporter – have you even performed due diligence on this organization. Do you even know who the founders of BLM are and what they represent?

The problem with leftists is that their entire world view is based on emotion, not evidence. They are also the major users of both illicit and mood altering prescription drugs, last article I read stated it was about 4:1 for mood altering prescriptions, and I'm sure it's higher for illicit ones. There is almost nothing we can do when everything in society today is based on feelings over facts. There will be continued division until a major catalyst happens, it's inevitable. Sadly, we allowed the worse and most demented people to take over our educational system after WWII while the decent and hard working ones kept our engineering and manufacturing moving forward, and today we reap what was sown into the American populace.

Send the letter. The severe ass beatings are decades late. No one needs cancerous beings in their lives. We're my brothers so afflicted they would have left home as soon as they could to never return to the family fold.

Tear up the letter to your brother, and walk away from this fight you’re about to start.

You will never win the debate with facts, because they never listen to facts, and with him being a heavy drinker, it compounds never listening to the truths.

As frustrating as it is for you, just turn and walk away, but don’t walk away from your brother. It’s hard, but if you start this, you’ll regret it if something happens and your brother dies, and these bad fights you’re about to start are the last memories you have.

If you want to end this with just one slap to his face, just ask him, “How can you align yourself with the party that wants to take your guns, and disallow you your right to defend yourself or family member in a life or death situation from a criminal?”

And leave it at that, and maybe that one point will get him thinking, and maybe some day down the road, he’ll come to you to talk, and listen.

Tear up the letter.

I wouldn’t send the letter. Ask yourself if he’ll read it and come around to thinking clearly with a new perspective. If the answer is no. Than all the letter will accomplish is to drive a deeper wedge and more hard feelings. Who needs more of that in there life?

I think your better off to lay some basic ground rules. Ie you’ll talk hunting or family ect but you won’t talk politics.

I have a son that thinks like that. we are still on talking terms, but we do not talk politicks any more when he comes to see me.. he seldom comes around anymore. I also lost some friends that are that bad, I don't put up with that crap...

Phouc it, I'm with Gunner....send that Bitch! We are far past trying to save strained relationship's with idiotic morons, be they family or strangers! Yes, it has come to this. Our passive responses to their ridiculous diatribes and actions in the past, have only emboldened them to the point of acting out their fantasies of taking over the Nation.


It's time for ALL of us to say "It ALL ends NOW!"

If we don't start pushing back in discussions.....pretty soon we'll all be shooting each other, street by street. The survival of this Nation is far more important than one individual....or many individuals. Our Nation, and it's founding principles, must stand for the generations to come. We cannot allow our time as stewards of the Constitution to be remembered by History as the failure of an Ideal, and the Death of a Nation.........

These Marxist bastids have picked the absolute worst time in history to pick a fight with the protectors of this Nation. The combined skillsets of all the available Veterans is mind boggling! The wide array of tactics, abilities, espionage, and ruthless tenacity they would face would be withering. As the saying goes...."They better be careful what they wish for....they might just get it!"

I have never personally encountered anyone with marxist views until the last few months and they are all under 30. The only way to describe them is rabid & delusional, no rational discussion possible and no amount of facts is going to change their minds. It truly is mind boggling that someone can have all the advantages of being raised in the greatest country on earth, see the history of disaster that marxism has wrought upon the earth, and still have communist views?
What do they possibly think they can gain?

Sorry to hear that. I have one of those too.

All other western countries, all other 1st world countries, all other English speaking countries have politics to the left of the Democratic Party.

All those other countries are pretty good places to live as well... and not some imaginary communist marxist hellhole.


Looking back at all other Republican presidents, you would now call all of them communists. Thats how far you have drifted right....


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Early on in my first career, my job was going door to door informing people about powerline clearing work that was to be done. (I have a forestry degree FWIW.) As you can imagine, I dealt with people from one end of the spectrum to the other. One that really stood out was an old lady who turned out to be some sort of environmentalist whack job.

Among other things, she insisted that if we cut so much as one tree, the entire world would suffocate. Don't recall the specific fallacy I was trying to persuade her was B.S. (in a very polite and humble way), but it was totally biologically impossible, and in my youthful Naivete, thinking it was just a matter of showing her proof, I finally told her that I would bring her some text books the next day so she could see for herself and she responded with something to the effect of.. "YOU PEOPLE WILL PAY PEOPLE TO WRITE ANYTHING IN YOUR TEXT BOOKS!"

It was in reflection of that encounter- and I thought a lot about that one for years- that I came to the realization that there are just people out there beyond any hope of a logical discussion. That was 30 years ago, which was before this country became chock full of indoctrinated little commies. I got to where I could pick up on this mindset within a few paragraphs in a conversation, if not sooner; and since I don't have to deal with them any longer, I don't waste one second of my time, energy, and emotion on them anymore. Besides being totally wrong on whatever the subject is, no amount of facts will sway them, what really pisses me off about them is that they are so smug, self-righteousness, and condescending in their wrongness.

I agree with what TheLastLemming76 said. It's a waste of your time to send the letter and will accomplish nothing good.. except maybe make you feel better that you tried.

I’m with Gunner and Frogman on this.
Phouck the bastard.
Send the letter.
People worry too much about offending a family member.
Those bastaards don’t think twice about offending us with their useful idiot diatribes. Why should we be the only one’s pissed off about their bullschit.
Just because they are family does mean they aren’t cull.

That is actually all a damned lie ,but given what a craven , lying COMMUNISTIC CUUNT you are it is not suprising.

I'm somewhere in the middle here about your letter, it sounds well written and in an unsanctimonious way, but I doubt it will change any thoughts between you two, nothing you convey is going to change his way of thinking.

Shelve the letter till the day after Trump is reelected and then see how you feel , gloating ,unlikely, smug, surly and then let his response to that news determine either send it or tear it up but I would be done with the dumb f~ckery either way, blindest are those who refuse to see !

Enjoy the hunting season and the holidays with happiest, most joyest people you know, spread peace and love wherever you choose to go, and let the ashes fall where they may !

One, This is blatantly not true.
Two, you can always find people in totalitarian regimes who are happy with the status quo. A person can always carve out a little silent niche and shut your mouth and go with the program and be rewarded. That's how totalitarianism works. If you comply with the group think you can hide in an illusion of "anonymity".

I'm fortunate to have trump supporters as far as the eye can see in my family.

If those countries are so good, and the US isn't, why are you still here?

I agree with this.

Many families have radical leftists in them.

They rant and rave their Leftist BS, and the families just get quiet and don't even challenge the idiocy their little darlings are spouting.

I believe this goes on because the little, no brain darlings know that their families are afraid to cut ties with them by offering opposing views, or correcting them.... So this becomes a pattern that gets bolder and bolder.


First, you are not doing your little darlings any favors by not risking their walking away from hearing opposing/correct perspectives.

Second, they have no respect for you or others, and only wish to torture you into submission to accept THEIR way.


I've had a bellyful of Marxist crap shoved down our throats.

Sometimes it's just better to let the chips fall where they may.

Obviously you are an intelligent guy, but it's really not about smarts. It's about wisdom and morals.

I have a BIL that is a very smart guy. But he has very little wisdom. He doesn't seem to grasp that he doesn't know what he doesn't know. To him, the solutions to everything seem so obvious. But he doesn't realize that he's not the only smart guy on planet Earth and these ideas aren't new. He doesn't understand that if these ideas were so great, everybody would be doing them.

[quote=TheLastLemming76

I think your better off to lay some basic ground rules. Ie you’ll talk hunting or family ect but you won’t talk politics. [/quote]

That is what we do in my extended family to keep from killing each other. "Agree to disagree", case closed. We do fairly well.

We have a decent sized communist faction (not sure they know they are communists yet but they probably do) but mostly conservative. Its kinda funny in that everyone knows where the other stands and at get togethers will talk politics in private with the ones they agree with.