So my ignoramus of a little brother called me called me yesterday to inform me that he voted. He was drunk as Hell, as usual, and he started in on Trump in an overly loud and sarcastic voice, making remarks about how great Trump was and that he loves being unemployed, how great a job Trump's done handling the Kung Flu & the economy, ad nauseam. Of course, when I attempted to refute any of his idiotic statements, he'd raise his voice and start frothing at the mouth. After a few minutes, I'd had enough and with understated fury, I very distinctly said: "YOU'RE A F*CKING MORON!" and I hung up on him. I've never hung-up on my brother before. A few minutes later, he began a barrage of text messages, each more asinine than the last.

I've known for decades that my brother's a f*cking Leftist, and I've been avoiding a knock-down, drag-out with him because, well, we all know how futile attempting a civil discussion with a rabid Leftist can be. Sure, we've had conversations regarding politics on occasion, but half the time I have no f*cking idea what he's on about, and I've told him exactly that. I'm not claiming to be an expert in politics, but I have taken the time to research my beliefs and ferret out the truth. I'm also the first to tell you that I'm not the smartest guy in room, but I did go back to school after 25 years since I earned my bachelors degree and I earned a Master's degree in geology, which was heavy on high-level calculus, chemistry, geochemistry, physics and trig. I also wrote and published a 162 page, highly technical thesis, which has now been downloaded by almost 60 scientists and universities world-wide. All this was no easy feat, I can assure you. My purpose in stating all this is to impress upon you that I am not a f*cking idiot and when I tell you that I couldn't follow - or even understand - his arguments I mean just that. He's a moron, so attempting to understand the arguments of a Leftist moron is probably not even possible.

So, I've mainly been avoiding a confrontation with my brother for all these years because I wanted to avoid any contention between us, after all, he is my brother. This time; however, he crossed the line and I've had enough.

As far as my brother is concerned, I simply cannot understand why an educated man who loves the outdoors, guns and fishing, and who purportedly loves America and Liberty can be such a f*cking rabid Leftist. This is all the more humorous (or maybe I should say tragic) because he holds himself out as an Independent.

I have gone to great lengths to purge Leftists and Marxists from my life. I do not tolerate them unless absolutely necessary. Friends are one thing, family is another. Though the CA contingency of my family is comprised of many Marxists, I do little more than tolerate them. I do not wish my brother to fall into that category as well.

So I wrote him a letter since civil discussion is impossible. I am torn and I cannot decide if I should send it to him or not. I can keep the peace by not sending it. Sending it may irreparably harm our relationship as brothers, but then again, maybe he'll realize what a f*cking moron he is, which is probably a pipe dream. Below is a brief rough draft that I was planning to flesh out for many more pages, citing each of Trump's many great accomplishments, while refuting many of the common Marxist ascertains, but why should I go to the trouble? Maybe because he's my brother, but I see it as a fool's errand. Below is the letter for your perusal. I would appreciate your comments. Again, this is a rough draft.

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Brother,

The vastness of your ignorance is absolutely astounding. Every single statement you made to me, both during our conversation and in the subsequent text messages you sent to me was dead wrong. I find it incredible that you actually believe the statements you made, all of which has lead me to the obvious, inevitable, and foregone conclusion that you, sir, are a Marxist. You clearly are not an Independent, nor are you capable of critical thought, as you claim. There is no other explanation for your beliefs. Every single contention you made was patently false. Not only that, but almost everything you stated sounded as if it was coming directly from the commie-loving mainstream media (MSM), which makes you a good Bolshevik that falls into line with the Marxist party doctrine, not an independent free-thinker. I am truly saddened by the knowledge that should there be another civil war in this country (many believe it has already started) that you and I would be on opposite sides.

Regarding your text messages to me, your first mistake was stating that I needed to be deprogrammed. This is exactly what a Marxist would say to someone who does not share his beliefs. For proof, just look at unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers, who in 1969, estimated that a minimum of 25 million Americans would have to be eliminated (executed) in reeducation camps (Jasper, William F., Obama’s Friend Ayers: Kill 25 Million Americans, NewAmerican, 2008). Updated to today’s population levels, that estimate rises to somewhere around 50 million. For you to even suggest this to me belies your true beliefs.

Your second error was calling me a cult member. So according to you, anyone who supports our President and his many outstanding accomplishments, believes in the Constitution, has Conservative values, believes in liberty, personal responsibility, small government, a strong national defense, and border security is a cult member? I believe you’ll find the legion of Conservatives in this country would strongly disagree with you.

Your third text message to me was utterly asinine. When I read it, all I could do was slowly shake my head in wonder and disgust at the depth of delusion you must be under to believe such a idiotic statement. You stated, and I quote, “If you think you can fight this, know there are far more weapons on this side [sic]” Though I know you would never threaten me, this statement sounds suspiciously like a threat. Do you actually believe that a bunch of leftist, commie-loving Marxists own more weapons than the Conservative majority of this country? Do you truly believe that? The force delusion is strong with this one, (Vader, Darth, Star Wars Episode IV, 1977). There is somewhere between 412 and 660 million firearms in America today (Jacques, Jenn, How many Guns Are There in the US? A Lot More Than You Think, 2019). The vast majority of those weapons are owned by Conservatives and, as I’m sure you’re loath to acknowledge, Conservatives still vastly outnumber Marxists in this country. The MSM would have you believe that all these Marxists ideas and plans are mainstream in America today, and as American as baseball, Mom and apple pie. Don’t you believe it.

Insert Image: American gun ownership map by political party

Fourth text message: “And this side is Democracy [sic]” Despite myself, this gem of yours made me smile. First and foremost, Young, misguided, brother o’ mine, The United States of America is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. You may call your side ‘Democracy,’ or ‘Democratic Socialist,’ or whatever new word-manipulated term “your side” comes up with to disguise their true intentions, but the true meaning of any and all of these terms is Marxist.

You blamed Trump for your lack of employment. Though we are both currently in perilous positions, I am far more invested that you: I expended an incredible amount of time, effort and expense to earn a master's degree, which so far, has proven to be virtually useless. When have you ever seen me blame Trump? It is not the duty of the President of the United States to provide you with a job. The duty of the President, and by extension, the US government, is foremost to protect our country from aggressors (both militarily and economically) and to provide a climate that is conducive to economic growth, without undue regulation, onerous taxation, interference, oppression or tyranny.

My advice to you is to stop drinking and stop being such a f*cking moron.

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NOTES:
Where are all the dead polor bears, where are all the dead people from the neverbeforeseen heat waves sweeping across America? You stated that everyone was going to get COVId – then explain this:

Insert Image: Actual Kung Flu stats:

It’s always easier to go with the flow than to expend the time and effort to look past the MSM bullshit and do the work necessary to ferret out the truth.

I resent having to write you this letter, but it’s been a long time coming and you just crossed the line with all your idiotic statements

I know you’re a froth-at-the-mouth BLM supporter – have you even performed due diligence on this organization. Do you even know who the founders of BLM are and what they represent?

The problem with leftists is that their entire world view is based on emotion, not evidence. They are also the major users of both illicit and mood altering prescription drugs, last article I read stated it was about 4:1 for mood altering prescriptions, and I'm sure it's higher for illicit ones. There is almost nothing we can do when everything in society today is based on feelings over facts. There will be continued division until a major catalyst happens, it's inevitable. Sadly, we allowed the worse and most demented people to take over our educational system after WWII while the decent and hard working ones kept our engineering and manufacturing moving forward, and today we reap what was sown into the American populace.

Send the letter. The severe ass beatings are decades late. No one needs cancerous beings in their lives. We're my brothers so afflicted they would have left home as soon as they could to never return to the family fold.

Tear up the letter to your brother, and walk away from this fight you’re about to start.

You will never win the debate with facts, because they never listen to facts, and with him being a heavy drinker, it compounds never listening to the truths.

As frustrating as it is for you, just turn and walk away, but don’t walk away from your brother. It’s hard, but if you start this, you’ll regret it if something happens and your brother dies, and these bad fights you’re about to start are the last memories you have.

If you want to end this with just one slap to his face, just ask him, “How can you align yourself with the party that wants to take your guns, and disallow you your right to defend yourself or family member in a life or death situation from a criminal?”

And leave it at that, and maybe that one point will get him thinking, and maybe some day down the road, he’ll come to you to talk, and listen.

Tear up the letter.

I wouldn’t send the letter. Ask yourself if he’ll read it and come around to thinking clearly with a new perspective. If the answer is no. Than all the letter will accomplish is to drive a deeper wedge and more hard feelings. Who needs more of that in there life?

I think your better off to lay some basic ground rules. Ie you’ll talk hunting or family ect but you won’t talk politics.

I have a son that thinks like that. we are still on talking terms, but we do not talk politicks any more when he comes to see me.. he seldom comes around anymore. I also lost some friends that are that bad, I don't put up with that crap...

Phouc it, I'm with Gunner....send that Bitch! We are far past trying to save strained relationship's with idiotic morons, be they family or strangers! Yes, it has come to this. Our passive responses to their ridiculous diatribes and actions in the past, have only emboldened them to the point of acting out their fantasies of taking over the Nation.


It's time for ALL of us to say "It ALL ends NOW!"

If we don't start pushing back in discussions.....pretty soon we'll all be shooting each other, street by street. The survival of this Nation is far more important than one individual....or many individuals. Our Nation, and it's founding principles, must stand for the generations to come. We cannot allow our time as stewards of the Constitution to be remembered by History as the failure of an Ideal, and the Death of a Nation.........

These Marxist bastids have picked the absolute worst time in history to pick a fight with the protectors of this Nation. The combined skillsets of all the available Veterans is mind boggling! The wide array of tactics, abilities, espionage, and ruthless tenacity they would face would be withering. As the saying goes...."They better be careful what they wish for....they might just get it!"

I have never personally encountered anyone with marxist views until the last few months and they are all under 30. The only way to describe them is rabid & delusional, no rational discussion possible and no amount of facts is going to change their minds. It truly is mind boggling that someone can have all the advantages of being raised in the greatest country on earth, see the history of disaster that marxism has wrought upon the earth, and still have communist views?
What do they possibly think they can gain?

Sorry to hear that. I have one of those too.

All other western countries, all other 1st world countries, all other English speaking countries have politics to the left of the Democratic Party.

All those other countries are pretty good places to live as well... and not some imaginary communist marxist hellhole.


Looking back at all other Republican presidents, you would now call all of them communists. Thats how far you have drifted right....


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Early on in my first career, my job was going door to door informing people about powerline clearing work that was to be done. (I have a forestry degree FWIW.) As you can imagine, I dealt with people from one end of the spectrum to the other. One that really stood out was an old lady who turned out to be some sort of environmentalist whack job.

Among other things, she insisted that if we cut so much as one tree, the entire world would suffocate. Don't recall the specific fallacy I was trying to persuade her was B.S. (in a very polite and humble way), but it was totally biologically impossible, and in my youthful Naivete, thinking it was just a matter of showing her proof, I finally told her that I would bring her some text books the next day so she could see for herself and she responded with something to the effect of.. "YOU PEOPLE WILL PAY PEOPLE TO WRITE ANYTHING IN YOUR TEXT BOOKS!"

It was in reflection of that encounter- and I thought a lot about that one for years- that I came to the realization that there are just people out there beyond any hope of a logical discussion. That was 30 years ago, which was before this country became chock full of indoctrinated little commies. I got to where I could pick up on this mindset within a few paragraphs in a conversation, if not sooner; and since I don't have to deal with them any longer, I don't waste one second of my time, energy, and emotion on them anymore. Besides being totally wrong on whatever the subject is, no amount of facts will sway them, what really pisses me off about them is that they are so smug, self-righteousness, and condescending in their wrongness.

I agree with what TheLastLemming76 said. It's a waste of your time to send the letter and will accomplish nothing good.. except maybe make you feel better that you tried.

I’m with Gunner and Frogman on this.
Phouck the bastard.
Send the letter.
People worry too much about offending a family member.
Those bastaards don’t think twice about offending us with their useful idiot diatribes. Why should we be the only one’s pissed off about their bullschit.
Just because they are family does mean they aren’t cull.

That is actually all a damned lie ,but given what a craven , lying COMMUNISTIC CUUNT you are it is not suprising.

I'm somewhere in the middle here about your letter, it sounds well written and in an unsanctimonious way, but I doubt it will change any thoughts between you two, nothing you convey is going to change his way of thinking.

Shelve the letter till the day after Trump is reelected and then see how you feel , gloating ,unlikely, smug, surly and then let his response to that news determine either send it or tear it up but I would be done with the dumb f~ckery either way, blindest are those who refuse to see !

Enjoy the hunting season and the holidays with happiest, most joyest people you know, spread peace and love wherever you choose to go, and let the ashes fall where they may !

One, This is blatantly not true.
Two, you can always find people in totalitarian regimes who are happy with the status quo. A person can always carve out a little silent niche and shut your mouth and go with the program and be rewarded. That's how totalitarianism works. If you comply with the group think you can hide in an illusion of "anonymity".

I'm fortunate to have trump supporters as far as the eye can see in my family.

If those countries are so good, and the US isn't, why are you still here?

I agree with this.

Many families have radical leftists in them.

They rant and rave their Leftist BS, and the families just get quiet and don't even challenge the idiocy their little darlings are spouting.

I believe this goes on because the little, no brain darlings know that their families are afraid to cut ties with them by offering opposing views, or correcting them.... So this becomes a pattern that gets bolder and bolder.


First, you are not doing your little darlings any favors by not risking their walking away from hearing opposing/correct perspectives.

Second, they have no respect for you or others, and only wish to torture you into submission to accept THEIR way.


I've had a bellyful of Marxist crap shoved down our throats.

Sometimes it's just better to let the chips fall where they may.

Obviously you are an intelligent guy, but it's really not about smarts. It's about wisdom and morals.

I have a BIL that is a very smart guy. But he has very little wisdom. He doesn't seem to grasp that he doesn't know what he doesn't know. To him, the solutions to everything seem so obvious. But he doesn't realize that he's not the only smart guy on planet Earth and these ideas aren't new. He doesn't understand that if these ideas were so great, everybody would be doing them.

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I think your better off to lay some basic ground rules. Ie you’ll talk hunting or family ect but you won’t talk politics. [/quote]

That is what we do in my extended family to keep from killing each other. "Agree to disagree", case closed. We do fairly well.

We have a decent sized communist faction (not sure they know they are communists yet but they probably do) but mostly conservative. Its kinda funny in that everyone knows where the other stands and at get togethers will talk politics in private with the ones they agree with.

I am at the age in my life where.... I would just respond to him with.... "Yup. You are right." and go on about my business. But, that is me. And I may be doing it wrong...

But.... that being said. I like your style. You might want to add.... "and being that they will need to kill 50 million to get their point across... I am sure you, yourself, my brother, will want to make sure my name is on the list of that 50 million ? "

So looking forward to this years holiday season....

Sounds like his name is Craig. I have a liberal pos brother who's a deadbeat freeloader and he's not allowed on my property. I'm not associating with those I don't care for even if they happen to be kin.

My sister is a communist I cut her out of my life. Its really the best thing you can do. When they get drunk and brave enough to call you and text you it just shows your brother hates you and everything you stand for. You cant fix a communist.

+10

What a pussy writing a letter like that to your brother.

LMAO

PS
Just wait till the next family gathering and beat the shyt out of him. He needs it and so do you. If he is tougher than you, wait till he is drunk again then beat the shyt out of him. It may not change his mind but at least he'll stop calling and sending stupid texts.

Blackbeart gonna give us all another lecture on how much of an ass hole everybody else is.

LOL

Don't forget, he's still a brother.

Send the letter and never stop fighting for the truth. Many of us have misinformed leftists in our families and our friends. They cling to their dogma and attempt to defend the lies. Sooner or later it'll slap them up side the head and they'll come around. Insanity crosses all boundaries. I have a friend that is married to a leftist and has seen the light of Marxism. He rails against Trump and quotes all the usual misinformation the MSM puts out. He's a curious mix of compassion and hatred. He's so conflicted that he sometimes just sits there looking sort of stupefied. I feel bad for him and still consider him a friend. We share the same love of machining and gun ownership though we're from different ends of the spectrum on both. He has quite a collection but is practically inept at shooting. He mainly covets firearms and machinery. This man is well educated though severely conflicted. He's currently avoiding any contact with me so I know that he's really feeling the pain.

Don't forget, he's still a brother.

Think I'd just reply to his texts and say "You're my brother and I love you. Please turn off the TV, pour out the booze, and get outside to relearn what's truly important in life."

Bang his wife.

I don't know that that's so.

My cousin died of cancer a few years ago. He doted on his kids, and never, ever missed an opportunity to brag on them.

That cousin was also big into family history, and history in general. Our great, great grandfather fought for the CSA, and Mike, my cousin contacted the right people, and organized a ceremony at his grave site, recognizing him as a CSA veteran.


Now a few years have gone by, and one of Mike's daughters is radically "Woke", and got on facebook to publicly trash her father, grandfather, and great great grandfather for fighting for the CSA, or even being proud of that heritage and legacy.

That's right, she publicly trashed her dead father and condemned him, and the rest of the family with words that were pure venom. She wants no part of her family.

I sure don't consider her part of mine after that.

Unfortunately, the dilemma is one facing us all. The leftists have their minds made up, and, even with proof, will not change their opinions and minds. The figure of having to kill/eliminate 50 million makes me sad, but our side will have to look at the same figure from the other way. We could win every election from here till the cows come home, and the leftists will not change their mind, nor listen to reason. I think we are in for a major upheaval within the next few years. I'm old enough that I will probably not see it, but my family will. Fortunately, the worst I can say about my brother, is that he thinks his 6.5 Creed is better than my 6.5x55. I can live with that.

I did not get along with my sister, she died before she reached the age of 60. I do not feel good about the troubles we had.

As much as I liked your letter, this ^ would probably cut deeper and still leave an open door should he ever pull his head out of his ass.

This really hits close to home, I have told my oldest son to get off Ranch and don't come back. I think about him a lot, but there is no way we can be around each other and not end up says something political and it's on, I don't put up with BS from any one, family or not, hate Dem's no matter who they are. I won't to know , what happens when the shooting war starts, how forgiving will every one be then????

Countries with Anti-Capitalist and Communist manifestos..
There are more parties on a wider spectrum then US Left - Right, so people actually get to choose based on prefrences, in this case Communism, instead of the Failed US two party system.

Country   -   Lower / Upper house Delegates  -   Percentage
Belgium   -   12/150 - 5/60   -   8% - 8%
Czech Rep   -   15/200.  -   7.5%
Denmark   -   28/179.  -   15.6%
Finland.  -   16/200.  -   8%
France   -   39/577 - 14/348.  -   6.7% - 4%
Germany.  -   69/709 - 5/69   -   9.7% - 7.2%
Greece   -   101/300.  -   33.6%
Iceland.  -   11/63.  -   17.4%
Ireland.  -   5/158.  -   3.1%
Italy.  -   3/630 - 1/315.  -   0.4% - 0.3%
Japan.  -   12/465 - 13/242.  -   2.5% - 5.35
Luxbourg   -  2/60.  -   3.3%
Mexico.  -   61/500 - 7/128.  -   12.2% - 5.4%
Norway   -   12/169.  -   7.1%
Russia.  -   42/450 - 2/170   -   9.3% - 1.1%
Spain.  -   73/350 - 19/266.  -   20.8% - 7.1%
Sweden.  -   28/349.  -   8%
Swiss   -   2/200.  -   1%
US.  -   2/435.  -   0.4%


Strange isn't it.. these countries, there are FAR FAR more actual voting communists and anti-capitalists then in the US system...
Yet, you constantly yammer about anybody not voting Republicans as communists.. you call your family members communists, co-workers, neighbors...
You actually hate 50% of the country and claim them to be communists/marxists/nazis.... When FAR more liberal 1st world countries have nowhere near 50% Communists... and people actually get to vote for them!!!


Strange..

Maybe its you..


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You shouldn't feel bad.

Did you wrong her?

Knowing you, I doubt you did.

You can offer an olive branch, but when they take it, and whip you with it, there's no guilt on your part.

I am 69 and half of my generation in my family is democrat and half republican.

The problem is the next generation, the 30 somethings, are all liberal democrats.

I blame colleges.
When I was at a University of Washington football game in 1964 the student body was overwhelmingly for the republican, Goldwater.
When I was at a University of Washington communications lecture in 1972, the students were 99% [I counted them] for the democrat, McGovern.

Colleges have become political indoctrination factories.
Females enter as virgin republicans and exit as democrats with an incurable STD.
Males enter as men and exit as boys.

No dumbass. It's not.

Now that you have gone to the trouble of posting alla that communist BS, why don't you post the tax rates citizens pay in those countries?

That way we can see how Marxism really works.

My grandmother taught me an important lesson about my brother........
You must love him..... he's your brother. If he needs a kidney, you gotta give him one.
But you DON'T have to like him at all.........
All we did was argue...... but I sure miss it !
We learned to tolerate each other in his last few months........

Yeah, Cain killed Able......

Tell him to stop drinking, and tell him that your Mom would have been proud of his leftist views, because she always said “I wish abortion had been legal before ______ was born”.

Oh, and tell him you pray for him every night....

Just ignore him. If you have to block his phone # and assign his e-mails as spam to do that do so.

I doubt he'll change but maybe he'll get the message that you don't care to discuss politics with him but sending the letter won't help in any way. You writing it was satisfying enough for you.

"Enjoy the hunting season and the holidays with happiest, most joyest people you know, spread peace and love wherever you choose to go, and let the ashes fall where they may ! "

Excellent advice! I think that I will take it and go hunting with my son!

Its pretty difficult to look at tax rates and compare... as you well know.


Country - Corporate. - Low Marginal - High Marginal. - Sales tax
Belgium - 29.8% - 25% - 50%. - 21%
Czech Rep - 19% - 20%. - 45.7%. - 21%
Denmark - 22%. - 39.8%. - 55.8%. - 25%
Finland. - 20%. - 0%. - 56.8%. - 24%
France - 31%. - 0%. - 45%. - 20%
Germany. - 29.6%. - 14%. - 47.4%. - 19%
Greece - 28%. - 22%. - 45%. - 24%
Iceland. - 20%. - 0%. - 46%. - 24%
Ireland. - 12.5%. - 20%. - 52%. - 23%
Italy. - 28% - 23%. - 47%. - 22%
Japan. - 29.7%. - 15%. - 56%. - 10%
Luxbourg - 28.7%. - 8%. - 46%. - 17%
Mexico. - 30%. - 1.9%. - 35% - 16%
Norway - 23%. - 0%. - 46% - 25%
Russia. - 20%. - 13%. - 47%. - 20%
Spain. - 25%. - 0%. - 45% - 21%
Sweden. - 21.4%. - 32%. - 57%. - 25%
Swiss - 17.9%. - 0%. - 49%. - 7.7%
US. - 21%. - 10%. - 51.8%. - 11.7%

You still haven’t shown a country that is as good as the USA. They strive to live as well as we do. Only the elites have the privileges we have. I have a buddy that went to Norway because his family came from there. He laughed and said it was ok to visit but thank God his family had moved to the US. Edk

Its funny when dummies worship life and politics in Europe but know nothing about it. Ive lived and worked in Europe twice in my life and dont miss the extremely high taxes, very high cost of living and loss of freedom.




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Its pretty difficult to look at tax rates and compare... as you well know.


Country - Corporate. - Low Marginal - High Marginal. - Sales tax
Belgium - 29.8% - 25% - 50%. - 21%
Czech Rep - 19% - 20%. - 45.7%. - 21%
Denmark - 22%. - 39.8%. - 55.8%. - 25%
Finland. - 20%. - 0%. - 56.8%. - 24%
France - 31%. - 0%. - 45%. - 20%
Germany. - 29.6%. - 14%. - 47.4%. - 19%
Greece - 28%. - 22%. - 45%. - 24%
Iceland. - 20%. - 0%. - 46%. - 24%
Ireland. - 12.5%. - 20%. - 52%. - 23%
Italy. - 28% - 23%. - 47%. - 22%
Japan. - 29.7%. - 15%. - 56%. - 10%
Luxbourg - 28.7%. - 8%. - 46%. - 17%
Mexico. - 30%. - 1.9%. - 35% - 16%
Norway - 23%. - 0%. - 46% - 25%
Russia. - 20%. - 13%. - 47%. - 20%
Spain. - 25%. - 0%. - 45% - 21%
Sweden. - 21.4%. - 32%. - 57%. - 25%
Swiss - 17.9%. - 0%. - 49%. - 7.7%
US. - 21%. - 10%. - 51.8%. - 11.7%
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Writing the letter made you feel better. Sending it will ultimately make you feel worse. Tear it up. I have a brother who does exactly the same things as yours. In fact, you might as well have been writing a description of my brother as yours. I refuse to discuss politics with him and NEVER answer any of his angry text messages. Ironically, that seems to be the most cruel thing I could ever do to him, since he is obviously frustrated to the point of madness because he cannot goad me into an argument. But when the family gets together, we can still hug each other.

Tear up the letter.

I have a sister, brother in-law and a sister in-law who are similar in political disposition to your brother. We just don’t talk politics when we get together.

Best response yet.
After that, don't respond to anything nasty.

I also know a American Woman living in Norway, married a Norwegian... She has been battling cancer for 2 years. 0 in healthcare costs. And 0 in University costs for her 3 children.
She won't move back to the US even though here entire family is in the US.

Work/life balance is SO much better..


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While that is a wonderfully thought out and composed letter, I am afraid you are casting pearls among swine. If it makes you feel better, send it. Just don’t expect anything good to come from it.

These numbers are meaningless. The radical left hide in the dark and masquerade until a tipping point of power is gained. Then hell is unleashed. The whole MO is to masquerade their true positions.

I don't claim any one is a communist except those who have obviously declared through deeds and actions.

The democrat party is not liberal. That is a lie. The democrat party, notice I did not say everyone who votes democrat, has gone radical left. It's plain for all to see.

Why is it that so many people want to take more than they ever gave?

told my youngest brother that, when our dad dies if he had not apologized to him and he showed up at the funneral , i'd kill him, we haven't spokening to him in 7 yrs. did pass him him in a store once and he wouldn't even look me in the eye.

OK, which one of those superior countries are you moving to?

Norway is a complete anomaly on the world scene. They are oil rich with a very low population. They have virtually no defense cost because they sit under the umbrella of NATO. WWII with out their high spending allies would have ended very badly for them.

I dont know.. one of the 14 other countries with more freedom then the US?

World traveler? lmao

Put the letter on the shelf and don't send it. You know that commies very seldom get rid of that virus in their head, telling him he's a commie won't wake him up to reality. Just leave him to rot and cut him off, because if the election goes south I guarantee that he will drop a dime on you since you aren't a "fellow traveler".

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!!! Good riddance.

Northman,

Go to one of those 14 countries and try some open carry, or even concealed carry for that matter...….then check back and let us know how much more freedom you have there....

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Really.
I have a lot of foreign born in-laws I'd like to redirect out of here. And add to that a lot of arrogant lefties that, despite their wealth, complain incessantly about America and how it became the country where most of the people of the world long to move to.

These complainers, through luck of birth like most of us, were born here. Yet they don't even bother to study how and why we are in this truly enviable position. And for the sake of fitting in with the crowd and appear to look smart, they will destroy this last best place on earth.

When dealing with someone intent on dismantling your views, the less you say the better. You can make a list of 100% accurate and valid points but they'll pick the weakest one and hammer on that one endlessly, complete with raised voice and beligerate demeanor, refusing to address the rest.

Fundamentally it's lopsided and dishonest discourse, exacerbated by alcohol and emotions. A short statement like sockpuppets above will be far more effective in conveying that you are clear what you believe the problem is, that you are not closing any doors, but that you have boundaries and refuse to engage him under his terms.

If you want to give him something to think about without giving him ammunition to systematically dismantle piece by piece in his mind or to your face, you need to leave it at that.

Good advice.

So... anything other then Open/Concealed carry thats important in your life?

Here comes the deep thinking of Northman.

LMAO

Any woman who would associate with Northman in any capacity should live somewhere else.

Just not a good fit for this country.

Yes, BUT whether Open/Concealed carry is allowed is an indicator of the countries view on freedom in general. These Scandinavian countries have a bleak future. Just look at Sweden's no go zones.

Your brother is lucky to have you in his life.

Maybe one day he will realize it.

Maybe deep down inside he knows he is messed up and calls you to get your response. Like an errant child that secretly is comforted that his father is a discipline figure, he gets some stability in his life through you. You may be his anchor, his rock.

Hang in there.

I know a guy that's sort of like that. Well,..I don't really know him. He's married to a friend of my wife. He doesn't seem particularly leftist in his views or his lifestyle. But he hates Trump.

We were at a company dinner a few months ago and that's all he wanted to talk about,...even when people sitting around the table were talking about something else.

All of a sudden he'd jump in and mean mouth Trump about something. I wanted to say something, but I held back just because I didn't want to ruin my dinner by pointing out that he was an idiot.

I wanted to tell him, "Ain't nothing more pathetic than an old Caucasian male Democrat".

I very rarely see the guy,...hardly ever, actually. But if I have to be around him again under the same circumstances, I'm going to piss him off.

He should focus on getting sober. Not much else going to change before he gets a handle on that. I hope writing the letter was cathartic.

You have to cast aside toxic people, be they friend or family.

Ignore cures all.

The anti gun nuts beta male fairies like north child sure love the testosterone on this forum

Your brother is gone.
Stop burning brain cells about him.
You can do no more.....
It is a waste of your time, effort, and concern to try anything ever again.
Forget about him.
You will be relieved of the Yoke on your shoulders tied to him in your mind.
The sooner you do so, the sooner he will not occupy much thought in your mind.

It is what it is.
You just need to stop trying to influence what you cant influence anymore......

Little early for poetry, ain't it? Well said, Rene.

If I were facing this problem, I know I'd sit on the letter for a while. Just to let the emotion drain away and look at it with a different eye.

I don't know, it boils down to you're either part of the solution or you're part of the problem. I'd probably send the letter and just say goodbye. I refuse to be around people that won't see what's wrong with the lefts ideals and politics.

I'm lucky in that my brother and sisters and all my extended family are conservatives and see right thru the lefts bullshiet.

My brother doesn't talk to me but it goes back 25 years or so and politics would just make it worse. He won't even acknowledge my or my wifes presence on the rare occasion we are in the same vicinity. I would not bother. People who live by family no matter what will just find themselves in an emotional hole with them. There's a good reason family is considered the other 4 letter word.

My friend, I'm very sorry to tell you that your letter will more than likely fall on deaf ears.

I have a sister and long time ex-gf who are "quiet" democrats. Why? Because neither can refute the facts they are faced with on the condition of the soul of our country their party has taken us to or the destruction it has caused.

If that devious slime of a man Biden is elected, however, they will find out. Their cushy little lives (my sister's anyway) will soon be stressed with insecurity, and I don't know if there will ever be a way back from that.

For that reason, I just ordered another month supply of freeze-dried foodstores.

Quit pretending the facts matter to these folks. Shame and ridicule only, the bigger the better. You're already on your way there with "f-ing moron", but I'm not that creative, so there's probably room to improve.

The fun thing about all of these other developed semi-socialist countries is that they don't let just anyone into them. Northman as a schoolteacher and raft renter likely doesn't rate. Should gone into STEM, there, Walt. Not hard to find an engineering job.

Norway is a fun one to talk about. They're absolutely dripping with oil money; that's how they function as they do. Good thing to remember when you get any enviromental lectures from scandahoovians.

Your brain is the embodiment of schit soup.

Grant her the freedom she wants..

to be one of the first to end up in a FEMA camp.

Ran into one a couple days ago. School teacher. Total psycho. Wished Trump had died from Wuhan flu.

When she stopped her TDS ranting, I asked here if she remembered what the Khmer Rouge did with school teachers?

Wasn't that long ago, darlin.

Me and my older sister had it out in 1986,the year my Father has heart surgery.

During the talk she said that she voted for clinton because he was cute.

We have not talked since.

She gave me a copy of her will to hold when she dies but that's about all that has happened since.

My Mother tells me how she is doing.

I really don't care and the other Sister and Brothers know it.

Don't feel bad about it at all.

She did call years later and said she was sorry for what she said but it is too late.


PS:send it

I like to remind my socialist virtue signaling anti Trump Scandanavian friends about how they surrendered right away to the NAZi's, helped round up their jews to send to death camps and even served along side the NAZI's in the German Army.

Wait until the election has been decided, if Trump wins just chuckle and tell him you cancelled his vote out.

I distance myself at this point from the left because its not benign like it used to be, its good and evil.

Continue to live as an example of the Kingdom of God

Sometimes it's good to look in the mirror. Or, at least have someone tell you what's there.

Yup, you can be nice but when they refuse or abuse you you have done nothing wrong and it's just best to get away from the toxic human beings.

My brother is like that, I haven't spoken a word to him in 5 years. I am surprised in the fact that I thought I would miss him at least a little but rarely even think of him, when a thread like this pops up is about the only time I think about him anymore.

My sister is a very kind and generous individual and eve she is tiring of it and starting to cut him out of her life more and more. I warned him a long time ago if he continued down the path he was going that he would die a very lonely man with no family.

I would send the letter but leave the name calling out of it. I would also encourage him to get help with his mental illness and his alcoholism.

Don’t waste a bunch of words trying to convince people.

There is an old saying, “For those that believe proof is not necessary, for those that don’t, proof is impossible”

Fellers, I appreciate all the replies. All have merit except Northman's (obviously) and 'flave's, who suggested I bang my brother's wife. I wouldn't touch my brother's ex-wife w/ a 10' pole - she's a rabid, morbidly obese, raving lunatic and a die hard Leftist. When he was still married, I always thought of my brother and his wife as Jack Sprat and his gelatinous betrothed. I swear, the last time I was in Dallas and my daughter and I went to pick up my nephew, I heard tuba music as she walked him out to us. It's been suggested that the tuba music I heard was just in my mind, but I don't think so.

Y'all have definitely made some poignant comments and though I am still vacillating on whether or not to send the letter, I will take your comments under advisement. I will rewrite and, perhaps, complete the letter. I will sit on it for a while and then make my decision - perhaps after the election. I am well aware that this letter will very likely accomplish nothing, and I'm also keenly aware that sending it may cause a rift between my brother and I, but as I stated, he crossed the line this time and as many have stated in this thread, we, as Americans, have sat idly by while this cancer that is Marxism metastases throughout every aspect of American life for far too long.

McCarthy had it right.

Sic Semper Tyrannis

First every country makes mistakes. The USA and Trump have made huge mistakes on handling COVID-19.

AS has Sweden, my fathers side all come from Sweden so I watch there health care system carefully.

Well they went along with limited heard immunity, the limited part is that they had to wear masks in all

Transportation vehicles, Trains, Subways, busses and Planes. The death is three times the countries around them.

Donald Trump wants to do that here, at the advice of a Radiologist, Dr Atlas who has never dealt with COVID-19.

Back to Sweden I know a business person here, who flys to Sweden to get all his medical treatment, and he has a pretty serious condition.

He say there medical system is much better than ours. so we can learn from other countries, and throw out the parts we do not like, like Heard immunity.

Don’t send a letter friend, send a card with three lines of choice, its wasted otherwise.

I have seen more letters bite someone in the ass than you can imagine. It is almost always used to gain allies and show how hostile you are.

So, why do you stay in this country?

And, why do you continue to post here?

We're obviously all nazis to you.

Furthermore, letters are good therapy. Write it, put it in a drawer...Send a card !

God has handed these folk over to delusion as Written. Likely your letter won’t be that “Significant Event” to cause change. I think thats Maslow’s theory but can’t remember.

100%.
The letter will do nothing but continue the 'conversation'.

I have an older sister who is like this. It's a sincerely deep disappointment to me.
Leftists don't reason.

Yeah he should have handled it like Cuomo did in NY, right?

Put all the Covid folks in with old people in the rest homes... And watch the death toll skyrocket.


Dumbass.

Even if you don't send the letter, writing that all down does YOU some good.

Even if you throw it in the trash.

I doubt he'd seriously read it anyway.

Writing and sending that letter is asking for a response. It is pretty obvious that your brother will not change. Do you really want a response, to dig the hole deeper and cause yourself more stress?

When my Dad was terminally ill with cancer I had a sister who was never nice and was always looking for money from the family, that went completely bad. She physically attacked another sister, threatened my Mom physically, hired lawyers to go after my Mom for money she thought should come to her, called social services to take away our kids, called my work saying I beat up women, called internal affairs on police officers who refused to place charges against the family based on her false statements. She is black to me and I have no interest in anything that happens to her. It has been that way for over 20 years for me, the family and our kids. Sometimes you just have to turn it off. You can pick your friends but unfortunately at times you cannot pick your family.

Walk away.

It seems to me that your brother caused the rift.

Bristoe: You are correct. My brother did indeed cause the rift. It has fallen to me to either keep the peace, or not.

Good advice. Think of the future, too.

Don't send the letter. It will burn bridges and will not help anything. Live a good life and be an example. Pray that he one day sees the light and beats his alcohol problem. Perhaps one day you can reconcile. Forgiving him costs you nothing and will ease your heart. Best wishes in this trying matter. Also, don't bang his wife. That's terrible advice.

Man who cares just let it go... I was telling my daughter yesterday, liberals hate critical thinking it drives them bonkers. When they have to start thinking or if something makes you much sense they go into a defensive posture. Your brother called you on purpose just to get under your skin.. Next time, just agree with him.. that will mind ph uck him more than calling him a moron.

You are free to leave at any time, dumbass.

Oh Walt you crazy retard.. I see you had to go to homer to teach wrastling what happen glennallen finally got tired of you??

Walt isn’t going anywhere, he’s waiting until he gets his 30yrs with the state..

Isn't Northman the guy that lives up in the Indian village?

Rents canoes to tourists or some schit.

Yes, he won't admit it but he's Walt. 100 Percent

Yep, but he had to take a teaching gig down in homer this yr.. I still remember when asked you about havre and the college and you told him to go ph uck himself.. lol

I wouldn't send it. I have a sibling that while they aren't as confrontational as your brother, they have a 180 degree political view from me.

I basically cut all ties, don't speak/call/text except maybe for a random happy birthday. Thusly I don't get aggravated by their BS, and I haven't cost any hard feelings. The door is open down the road for reconciliation, and God forbid some tragedy brings us together there is no garbage between us that would make things awkward. I know I'm right. I know I won't change their mind no matter how I try, so I don't. But I don't pretend that everything's ok either.

Unless you're super close, I'd cut bait and move on. If you are super close, then maybe that'll bring him to the table and you can agree to disagree. Good luck whatever you do.

Like I wrote, in order to go "somewhere else" you need to have something to offer.

I’d highly suggest you do the same, anti American folks like yourself should pack your crap and move along. Bye.

One of my sisters hasn't talked to me, since if kicked her out my house in 2016. I told her anyone voting for the hillbi*ch, could eat schitt and die, the world would be better off! She tried to talk at moms funeral! I just told her to get away from me, she started crying! Everyone in the family said I should comfort her! I told them I refuse to communicate with any commie bitch! Sometimes its just better to cut your relationships and go on with life!

Realize, that if he "crossed the line this time" it may have been greatly influenced by drink.

I believe another poster mentioned that a few pages back, perhaps he needs to sober up, perhaps permanently. Not that that will convince him of the correctness of your views, but it may very well keep him from calling and texting rants to you.

There's 5 siblings in my family. We certainly do not agree one everything....political........economics..........social........educational................but after 50+ years together we kind of know where not to go during discussions. It wasn't always that way when some of us were drinking.

good luck with it, and sitting on the letter might be a very good thing to do................for now.

You wrote the letter, i'm sure it was very cathartic. Now tear it up, throw it away and get on with your life.

Your brother wants you to respond and enable his world view as well as validate his feelings.

Forget that toxic environment.

You can pick your friends. Sometimes you are cursed with your family. Sometimes family needs be culled.

I have a sister born on my first birthday. All through school she was a conning, two faced manipulative little bitch. She spent more time and effort trying to figure out how to get me and our younger brother to do her chores, than it would have taken to just do them.

Then she would lie and tell school mates or relatives how terribly abused she was.

After marriage, she and her husband made a life of conning people and taking advantage of other's good nature.

She showed her ass in a major way in 1980, her husband backed her up and threatened physical violence. That is the last time I have spoken to her. There is nothing to be gained from associating with her and her husband except more unhappiness and misery. We have been in the same room many times since then. But she is shunned.

Do what your conscience allows to make you content. You can not change who or what your brother is.

Is there any one of them in which you can keep a personal defense firearm?
Is there any one of them in which it is legal to use any weapon for self defense?
Is there any one of them which will allow you to defend yourself and your family from a home intruder?
Or is a man legally bound to kick back in the recliner and watch as his wife and daughters are raped and his sons beat to death?
Is there a single one of those nations where a man is free to be a man instead of a sheep?
Is there a single one of those nations where a man is allowed to prosper and enjoy the fruits of his labor?
Or is he supposed to feed, clothe, and house every indigent in the state as well?

That was fugking hilarious.

He PM’d me and everything.

LOL

I can only conclude the OP by now must think his brother ain’t so bad.

In all seriousness, the folks who want to tell you that family is THAT important, are full of it. Just because you share blood doesn’t mean you need to let them make your life miserable.The politics are one thing, but the drunken calls/texting are another. The letter may make you feel better, but he’ll be too dumb/proud/indignant to take it to heart. He’ll just show it to others to try and prove how you are too preachy/intolerant/yada-yada...

Cut ties. If he continues to bother you, don’t even mention the politics. Let him know his drunken/idiotic behavior is unacceptable, and you’ll have no more of it.

Last I heard Norway pays for all that free schitt with a 22% national sales tax (value added tax).

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Your brother is your brother, for better or worse. As long as he's not stealing from you or harming you in some direct way, live with it.

What kind of person our age supports the left? My cousin, several months older than I (72) who has not worked enough quarters in his life to qualify for social security and lives off the charity of his siblings. One (very) brief marriage, no kids....spends his days posting leftist screed on Facebook. Another friend from my Navy days...same age, never a real job, no wife, no kids, plays in beer joints for little more than drinks and tips. Two guys without a pot to piss in, lifelong failures, but they have all the the answers and have the nerve to criticize the views and actions of those who have worked all their lives and made something of themselves.

I've given this whole sorry state of affairs a great deal of thought and I've come up empty. There is no answer that will satisfy or explain my brother's deeply misguided and ignorant beliefs. No amount of evidence, facts or proof will change him. He's far too invested to admit he's wrong. My brother crossed the line with me. He's a Marxist.

While I appreciate the help he's given the folks, and the laughs and good times we've had together, I cannot abide a Marxist in my inner-circle. It truly pains me to say that I believe I'm done with him and his deeply misguided beliefs. I had hoped that he and I could start a business together in the near future, but I know now, as I knew then, that I didn't want to admit to myself what I knew to be true. Now, with the idiotic drunken statements he made to me, including his veiled threat, I know his true beliefs and I know my plans can never be. Unless something drastic changes, he's been relegated to the "Tolerate" bin, only because he's my brother.

I had hoped that my letter might knock some sense into him, but he's too far gone. Sending the letter is an absolutely futile effort on my part.

Thanks to everyone for their take on the situation.

If he want's to talk fishing, I guess that'd be ok. - Ronnie Van Zant

Kevin - I'd send him the letter - while letting him know you're STILL brothers; but you both have different political philosophies - and you recognize that fact.

Grab that sunofabitch by the coller......sober....and lay it out.

Thanks Mark. Though I would like to send the letter I recognize the futility in doing so. I can think on this 'til the cows come home, but I'm afraid this is a situation where there is no clear answer.

I spoke to my Mother tonight and I told her how he crossed the line with me. She was very quiet while I was speaking. I think she was deeply hurt. She finally told me she didn't want to hear any more and she forbade me from telling Dad. I feel terrible now, but I thought it necessary to tell her.

Perhaps the best course of action is to simply wait until I'm next in Dallas and speak to my brother directly & read him the riot act.

They know.

Jim: They do indeed know, just not the extent of his delusion.

Well...I reckon they got a right.


Not telling your old man is the same as enabling your brother in his leftist ways.

Jim, True, but I need to respect Mom's wishes. She's the one that has to deal with Dad's wrath and Dad has been extremely difficult for her to deal with for many years and he's getting worse as time progresses. He's hard on Mom and telling him what he already knows to be true will cause all sorts of problems. My Dad has often talked with me about my brother's Leftist beliefs and he's disgusted by them. Nothing good will come from telling him just how far my brother crossed the line this time and the stress and disgust he will experience as a result may exacerbate his health issues. Not to mention the ravings Mom will have to endure. Believe me when I tell you that you don't want to be on Mom's schidt-list, which is where I'd firmly be if I told him against her wishes. It's up to her if she wants to tell him (which she won't).

Roger that!

My sister is liberal as hell.......we just don't bring it up.

Don’t deal with a drunk. Ever. Learned that early and it’s been valuable.

Leftists are usually very unhappy and bitter people who whine about everything. I hate whiners so avoiding them is easy for me. Family or not.

Here is the deal with Leftists. They use Macro politics as a platform to explain and excuse their own personal failures. That way, they are not responsible for being a loser.

Sound advice there RAS.

About three clicks left wind, send it. Don't waste any more time on him, if he can't quit drinking, he can't handle reality.

You bet m stevenson and Frogman, I'm harder on family than anyone, I KNOW DAMN WELL THEY KNOW BETTER, I know how they were raised!, I was there too! i DGAFF if they're family, right is right, and wrong is WRONG! it really is as simple as that.

You stupid ass moron

I haven't exactly decided on a course of action yet, but I'm rewriting the letter now. I'm up to 11 pages and my brain is running so fast I can't keep up on the keyboard.

When you really stop and think about the myriad of ways the Marxists have wormed their way into every single aspect of American life, American tradition and American culture, it boggles the mind. The examples are endless and just as insidious. It's incredible just how well organized and of a singular purpose they are to have accomplished all that they have since WWII. Hateful, devious and treacherous they are, but the Marxists are formidable. It will take an all-out, sustained effort by the next several generations to beat the Marxists back.

What I don't understand is that they must know Marxism is responsible for hundreds of millions of murders and deaths, yet there's still Marxists - alive and well and agitating. A bunch of serious morons out there incapable of critical thought.

It seems like there's never a shortage of that.

All that matters not in the land of "give me more free schitt" Those people are (possibly genetically) incapable of considering long term consequences.

Thanks, but there definitely needs to be a certain amount of name calling. Chief among those names is MARXIST. Nobody has told him, so it is my responsibility to let my brother know that he's an abject moron and he need to reexamine his beliefs or he will end up alienating all his friends and family.

You might be able to live with that, but to me, those are fightin' words!

WTF?

You sound like you come from good stock and it breaks my heart to hear your mom’s reaction because that’s exactly how my mom would’ve reacted if it was me and my brother fighting.

Knowing how deeply good parents want their children to get along and based on your mom’s response I’d never bring it up again and I would not have it out with your brother. For your parents sake I would be the bigger man and bottle up my anger, the anger goes away pretty quickly when it’s not life or death. Be thankful for a mother that loves both of her boys and her husband enough to want to protect them all.

Best of luck with whatever your decision is and I hope, for your mom’s sake, that your decision is tempered by the knowledge of a mother’s love.

Toss the letter in the trash and never talk to him again. Your life will be better for it. All my family are leftists and I’m much happier now that I cut them off. My family is my circle of friends. Sadly my mother who I had remained close to has developed a severe case of TDS and about six months ago became the last member of my family I cut off. She’s the only one I have any regrets about cutting out of my life but it got the the point we couldn’t even have a pleasant conversation about the weather. She would bring it around to climate change and then go off about Trump destroying the world.

Aces: Thanks for the kind words, it means a lot to me. In my view, being the "bigger man" means directly confronting my brother's anti-American, Marxist beliefs. It takes a bigger man to stand up for what's right, than ignore it or pretend it isn't so or accept his ignorance while doing nothing to rectify the situation. Part of the problem in America today, is that not enough people are willing to take a stand against this evil. Americans have largely become apathetic, which is the primary reason Marxism has made such incredible inroads into this country.

Dave: At this point, I don't think such action is warranted. Though I am still vacillating, regarding sending the letter, I believe it is my duty, as the eldest, to attempt to lead my brother into the light. I don't, for a minute, believe that my folks wold cut him off like that (although Dad has come close many times), and although I live over 680 miles away from them, here in far W. TX, I would have to be around my brother every time I traveled back to Big D, for many reasons. It would be far better for all involved if I was able to make him see the error of his ways. I cannot abandon my brother just because he's a f*cking moron - at least not yet. I am sorry to hear about your mother, I am sure it was an extremely difficult situation. Thanks.

I've written well over 30 pages in draft form, but there's a great deal more to write, if I'm so inclined. Tonight, I decided that such a lengthy litany would probably be wasted on him, so I cherry picked my draft document, cut it down as much as feasible in order to underscore the points I wanted to make, and I ended up with a 15 page letter. I just need to finalize it and decide whether or not to send it to him. I'm leaning heavily towards sending it, but I'll probably sit on it for a few more days.

My brother has sent me a few unrelated txt messages/photos, but has not brought up anything political. I ignored his texts and will continue to do so until after I send him the letter - if I do indeed decide to send it.

More to come...

Me too, my whacko Lib sister hates Trump, cannot elucidate a single logical argument why. I just don’t talk politics with her either. BTW she has around 60 sheep, heritage breeds, we all don’t like the sheep either.

My NY brother told me I had “joined the enemy” years ago when he found out I was in the NRA. I got him into guns and motorcycles. Thirty years later he rides with the Patriot Guard and votes Republican.

Tie his butt up if you have to and watch the film “Trump Card” with him, it is a must see documentary by Dinesh D'Souza.
If that doesn’t enlighten him he is hopeless.

I say go ahead and send your brother the letter if you think it will make you feel like you tried, but I highly doubt he'll read it in it's entirety, if at all, but even if he does, don't expect it to change his pro-Marxists beliefs one iota anymore than like arguments ever have with the liberal socialist trolls here on the Campfire.

as long as your parents are alive, toss the letter and just forget he exists. people like that will not change and all you're doing is stressing yourself over it. i have friends and family i don't associate with for one reason or another. as much as i like to air my grievances with obvious schitheads, sometimes discretion is best.

Agreed. Sending the letter will accomplish nothing. Just ignore him from now on.

And it might have a happy ending. My BIL was a flaming lib, ran for state senate as Lib in one of the most Lib states. Always marching for women's rights, black rights, etc. A year or so ago he became disenchanted with the Dems, but kept on with "Orange Man Bad," and said he would write in Ted Cruz.

Last week he voted for Trump.

If you can’t keep your letter to front and back of one page it is being written for your benefit and not his. 15 pages? Nobody is going to read that, especially someone who doesn’t like what they are reading. You have already wasted too much time on this, go live your life and be happy.

Granted, the letter I've written was likely more for my own edification, but I do not feel that I am wasting my time at all. These issues must be discussed and brought to light, not ignored and concealed. Dad asked me weeks ago to write an essay regarding the extreme danger supporting democrats and the Marxist ideology poses to our Union, so my plan is to expand and rewrite what I have written to my brother and use it as a basis for the essay he requested. I have written hundreds of pages regarding political systems, political theory and political history, so this letter is but a very small part of what I have already written. I'm also willing to bet that if I post this letter here on the 'fire, many would not only agree with what I've written, but also make a point of reading the letter in its entirety and sharing it with their own friends and family - particularly those misguided Marxist souls they may know.

My brother is a writer, or at least he calls himself a writer since he majored in the highly sought-after field of "creative writing" in college [sarc.] He'll read the letter, I know it. The letter is extremely well written, not overly critical of him, personally, and should go a long way towards illuminating the error of his ways. Meebe not, but any sane person would begin to see the light upon reading it. At the very least, perhaps, it will plant a seed in his addled mind. Perhaps, after reading the letter and seriously considering its content he will begin to realize that his long-held Marxist beliefs are nothing more than insidious propaganda. I doubt it, but you never know.

Way back then, when he chose to attend Emerson college in Boston and he was but a wee lad, I sat him down and sternly warned him not to listen or believe the Leftist garbage he was sure to encounter there. I did this on several occasions prior to his departure for Boston. He obviously ignored me. Dad has said for years that both Emerson and Boston was the source of his commie beliefs. I think he's correct. Have you ever seen youngsters discussing and debating their new-found knowledge on a college campus? I have, several times, and believe me when I tell you that it's highly comical.

I know you aren’t wasting your time. Hope you didn’t take my post the wrong way, Like others have stated I doubt he would get through 15 pages. I have dealt with this issue In my own family and it is physically and emotionally draining. I personally just learned to let it go and limit contact with those family members. You are doing what you think YOU need to do to get through it. Wishing you luck and hoping you find a sense of peace for yourself at the end of it.

All this makes me grateful for graduating from Fort Benning's School of the Infantry.

Indeed. That's why you're a pretty danged good hombre.

jdunham: Thanks, Bud. He'll read it. My imbecilic brother fancies himself enlightened, or, to dumb it down for the average 21st century moron (and this does not apply to you) - he fancies himself "woke." What a detestable, ignorant Marxist term that is. I grew weary of revisionist Marxist language like that long ago.

"Woke" means desperate to be Cool. Cool is a great substitute for actual accomplishment and a clever excuse to shy away from necessary but unpleasant realities.

Reality is tough.

We have made it so comfortable and safe that nonsense can flourish in the minds of the otherwise idle.

Yes, you can cut him loose. He's in Dallas - a cesspool of idiocy and Leftards. Just look at who's running that city and county. He's living in a feedback-loop that positively reinforces his insanity every morning when he wakes up - you can't compete with that level of brainwashing. He's already decided that you are a lost cause and probably tells everybody in his life that he has a 'hick/redneck brother in W. Texas who's a Nazi Trump lover'. Think about it - it's over and the commies have your brother firmly in their fold. It's regrettable, but the Reds specialize in splitting up families. The alcohol loosened his lips to speak what's on his mind, and you got a glimpse of who he really is, now.

gonehuntin: What you've written here is eminently reasonable and correct. I am willing and able to do as you suggest. I'm just not there yet. He is my brother and I must , at the very least, make an attempt to turn him from the Dark Side.

Aside from his Marxist beliefs, his drinking issues, his screwed up perspectives regarding white people and his obvious self-loathing, his unemployed status, the secret group of groids he hangs out with, his predilection for drunken fighting - and losing, his taste for abusive wimmins, his poor marksmanship and his efforts to indoctrinate his own son, he's basically a good man... Wait... scratch that, he's a blithering idiot.

Only the USA limits the power of government in order to prevent tyranny. Only the USA guarantees the citizen’s right to keep and bear arms so that they can defend their liberties against tyranny. Tyranny like packing the Supreme Court as Democrats plan to do. Tyranny like the plans Democrats have to punish Republicans who supported Trump. Tyranny like Biden’s plan to confiscate firearms. You can tell from their plans that the Democrats want to establish a one party state where they would control every aspect of society without the constraints of the constitution. Only fools and evil people could support their plans to turn the USA Into the USSR. Never forget that the USSR murdered 50+ million “enemies”, enslaved 200+ million people and was an economic disaster.

High Noon (and all reading this thread) -

My brother (6 years younger than me) is much the same as yours. Not sure what started or triggered his downward spiral into the Marxist abbyss, but it was at least 20 years ago. (BTW - he's not a Marxist, he's an independent). It got to be you could not have a normal, civil discussion with him about literally anything, politics, policies, deer hunting, firearms . . . anything. I decided it was, for the most part his alcohol and recreational drug use that fueled his dissatisfaction with his life and there was nothing I could do for him or our deteriorating relationship unless he was a willing participant. We lost our parents in 2007 and 2011, his wife got bladder cancer and died in 2016 at 56 yo. His response was to dive headlong into the bottle. We have not had any kind of a real conversation since 2007 after dad died . . . I do not now and did not then need his "poor little 'ol me" crap, so just decided to stay as far away as was feasible limiting any F-F interaction as much as possible - stress sucks. Oldest sister (3 years younger than me) has always marched to her own drummer, we are OK with each other, but not really that "close". Youngest sister (8 years younger) and I have always been much closer especially in our politics and our "moral" thought processes and desires for the future. She and her hubby even moved 500 miles to be closer to my bride and me as well as putting more miles between brother and her.

I have often thought to send brother a letter similar to what you have thought to send to your brother and have decided (in my situation) there is no up side, so will just smile, nod and keep on going as we have. He might wake up, he might not. I might wake up . . . I might not. It will have to be both of us in the end, though.

Best of luck to you.

Excellent.

Otter: Thanks for your response. My brother too, fancies himself an Independent. I believe they tell both themselves and others that they are Independent to disguise their fanatical love for and alignment with Marxism, so as to avoid unpleasant criticism. Although my brother wouldn't tell me who he voted for, I know that he did not vote for Trump. Whether he voted for Lyin Biden, or some other Independent, I do not know. The point here is, that [probably] just like your brother, both our siblings are lying to themselves if they truly believe they are Independent while secretly supporting Marxist doctrine, and that is the real tragedy of it all. They're delusional and cannot or willfully will not see the truth of either their beliefs or their actions. Sad, really.

Good luck with it High, 2-3 years ago I made my mother cry as we had what turned into a very heated political discussion[argument]. Neither of us has brought politics up with one another since and I still regret seeing her so upset.. Should someone else bring it up at gatherings I just bow out. She only brings politics up with one of my 2 brothers[who once was a school teacher-like her] but never drank the NEA etc kook-aid. He laughs it off, something I can't do so I just don't go there and now she knows not to as well[with me].

One thing that has stuck with me that I heard mom tell the other brother many years ago when we were teens and those two brothers were ready to kill each other.
She very calmly stated "you only have one brother named Steve, he can't be replaced, let it go"

It just stuck with me.

Have you at least tried sleeping with his wife?

'flave. Thank you for asking.

No.

She's a disease-ridden, gelatinous skank and & I wouldn't touch her w/ your dick.

Is that wrong?

She'd have a good chance at SOTUS Commander.

Never ever argue with a drunk... especially not a family member. Do not send the letter. If an opportunity comes up to have a brief conversation about what topics you are interested in discussing set limits about what you are and are not willing to discuss. If he doesn't respect the limits hang up.... no drama (NO 15 page letters). Love the person but don't be accepting of unacceptable behavior.

Ignore sockpuppets advice at your own peril.

I'm tempted to say you seem educated beyond common sense.

Fifteen pages is not a “letter”. It might as well be a “screed” or a “manifesto”. Simply tell him he is too old to be calling you in varying states of drunkenness.

My "letter" definitely is not a screed or a manifesto. My letter is a white paper that clearly and irrefutably disproves my brother's Marxist beliefs, while simultaneously spelling out, in great detail, exactly why he's an ignorant, hard-headed moron. There's no sugar-coating what I wrote and there's no mistaking the intent. I laid it all out on the line for him. And I sent him the letter.

I appreciate everyone's input and I understand the concern some expressed with sending the letter, but my brother and I are long past the pussy-footing around phase. Indeed, we as a country are well beyond that phase. Too many people ignore the evil that is all around us: in government, media, Hollywierd, with our friends, co-workers and yes, even in our own families. This is precisely why our country is so balkanized today. The problems lies in the fact that Conservatives just want to be left the f*ck alone to pursue their own happiness and their own success; while Leftists and Marxists are constant, unceasing, activists, agitators, and subversives - by their very nature.

It was my duty as a brother to at least make an attempt to educate him and illuminate the error of his ways and refute his Marxist beliefs in the strongest terms possible. It was my duty as a brother to attempt to salvage the relationship between us that otherwise would be lost. It fell to me and me only to let let him know just how much of a f*cking imbecile he is, and why. No one else has the ability or has the inclination do it, not my Dad, not his friends, nor anyone else. We all know how futile political discussions are with anyone on the left. I could not have done this in person, or on the phone. The only possible way to get through to these people is through writing. Beating the living-crap out of him or trying to talk to him wouldn't have accomplished jack-schidt. He needs to be educated. He needs to truly understand that the the topics he holds so dear, are insidious and Marxist. He needs to know exactly why his beliefs are so incredibly dangerous. The only way to accomplish that, in this case, was through writing.

Within one hour of sending the letter to my brother, he responded. He sent me an e-mail which stated the following:

"Just read it in it's [sic] entirety. Thank you and I will reflect on this."

At the very least, I have planted a seed. He now knows, unequivocally, that he crossed the line with me, but I have a strong belief that my letter affected him far more deeply. He now knows, in no uncertain terms, that his beliefs are Marxist and that he is, in fact, a moron and a Marxist for failing to educate himself on these issues and being so weak-minded as to believe the Marxist MSM.

This is not at all the reaction I expected from him. I am happy I sent the letter and I am happy it apparently has given him pause and given him reason to reexamine his beliefs.

That is all I could have hoped for. Let us all hope that he has seen the the first twinkle of light and that his journey from the Dark Side has begun.

We shall see.

Thanks again for all the advice. Many here made excellent suggestions and points, some of which I incorporated into the letter.

P.S. I will consider posting the letter if there is adequate interest from you basterds.

I don't get too wordy with leftists. My wife used to work with a woman that is "all things Democrat".

We were sitting out on the deck one day and she was talking about how she was all enthused about this leftist woman who was running for office.

I said nothing. During a break in the conversation I held up my left hand and told her, "here's left",..then I held up my right hand and said, "here's right". Then I picked up a tennis ball and threw it way over to my right,..pointed at it and said, "that's about where I am".

She chuckled a bit, but I think she got the message.

I stand corrected. I did not think he'd read such a lengthy tome.

Hope it works out for you.

High_Noon,

You done good, boy. I'm proud of you. Well, if nothing more, maybe a private mesage to a .com friend.

Thank ye.

That's not the response I would've guessed.. happy to be wrong!

I spoke to Mom again. She's pleased, but told me not to hold my breath.

High Noon you are entirely in the right. But please don't argue with the ignorant. You won't win and he isn't himself with that chemistry in his blood. You probably won't catch him sober anyway. Hate the sin but love the sinner. Be Well, Rustyzipper.

How many days until he presents you with a 25 page response/rebuttal????

Good luck...

Rustyzipper: Thankyousir. My brother is not a complete drunkard. He functions reasonably well, unless he's been drinking. When under the influence of the Hooch, he becomes a complete imbecile and an embarrassment. I will say that he's improved markedly since he was younger when he would become violently belligerent, but the fact remains that he simply cannot control himself when under the influence.

fburgtx: I'd be lying if I told you I haven't thought about that as well. However, what I wrote in my letter to him was the absolute, unvarnished truth, which cannot be refuted - it's unimpeachable. I educated him in such a manner that any counter argument he might attempt in support of Marxism would be laughable and would only serve to reinforce his idiocy. I have already strongly refuted any counter argument he might advance and I did it with verifiable facts, figures, quotes and incredibly detailed analysis. Additionally, in the very first paragraph, I told him, in no uncertain terms, that I didn't care to either read or hear a response from him and I told him why. Although my brother believes himself to be a writer, his skill-set is geared more towards poetry, screen plays, fiction and, to a lesser extent, contract law, none of which requires critical thought. I simply do not believe that he is mentally equipped to mount an effective defense, let alone a refutation. Hell, anyone would have a helluva time trying to refute the truths I laid out in my letter to him. If he attempts a rebuttal, he will only reinforce the fact that he's an imbecile. There's also his initial response to consider:

"Just read it in it's [sic] entirety. Thank you and I will reflect on this."

He basically thanked me for calling him a f*cking moron, for reading him the riot act and for educating him. Perhaps I’m wrong, but based on his initial response, it appears that, just maybe, he’s begun to see the error of his ways. If nothing more, he now knows that I’ll tear him a new bunghole and make him look and feel like a moron if he attempts to pull any more of that Marxist crap on me ever again.

But I guess in the next week or so, we'll see…

Guess what system came up with most of the treatments.....hint, it wasn't Socialist.

You just got your pipe dream, and that, “some day down the road, he’ll come to you to talk, and listen” will happen.

You just saved your brother from the Marxists.

Congrats. You, and only you knew you had the God given talent to write the letter in such a way to reach him, and God’s hand kept you pushing forward to accomplish your mission. What you were able to accomplish, was to reach down deep within his soul to his upbringing and moral values, before the college Marxists won his mind, and your points you made in your letter clicked with those values.

His reply was him admitting you put him in checkmate, and there is zero way to debate or argue against the facts when presented correctly, like you accomplished, or his reply back to you would have been another idiotic reply, but it wasn’t.

I was wrong to tell you to tear up the letter, and walk away. I just didn’t want to see you burn your relationship with him unless it was the absolute last move.

He’s now ready to listen, and the evil and mental sickness of Marxism did not win this time. I hope the coming Holidays will be a new beginning for the both of you, and the best Christmas present you both will have ever received.

ElkS: Thankyousir. I appreciate your commentary and your kind words, it means a lot to me to know that there's others who believe my actions righteous. I wish you a happy holiday season as well.

You should point out the 100 million people murdered, billions enslaved and economic disaster created by socialism.