Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles There is nothing greater than the 30-06 so quit trying

We copied the rifle and the cartridge...so closely, in fact, we lost TWO court cases. Now, you’re not going to find anything definitive saying we did exactly that and you know why? Because we KNEW at the time we were trying to circumvent patents and that any documentation to that effect would be discoverable and could be used against us in court.

At that time, every other country in the world that wanted a Mauser rifle and a German developed cartridge, paid royalties to DWM and the Mauser brothers. In the US, we simply reversed engineered their rifles and cartridges and tried to pass them off as our own.

What I don’t get is the .308. Why? Especially nowadays when so many rifles have one action length. If a .308 is the exact same length and weight of a 30-06, why not just get the 30-06? A .308 Tikka or Ruger American Rifle seems like the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard, unless you are going to chop the barrel to about 18 or 20 inches.

Lots of ammo choices for the “non rollers” like me and lots of target type stuff.

Not to mention factory 155 Lapua Scenars, in a non election year of course.

That was a lawsuit involving the Springfield 1903 and the Mauser 98. Mauser won the lawsuit and Springfield had to pay royalties until August 1914 when WW1 started.

https://quizzclub.com/trivia/which-...el-1903-springfield-rifle/answer/286405/

Which European manufacturer was paid royalties by the United States Government for patent infringement over the Model 1903 Springfield Rifle?

From 1905 to 1914, the U.S. paid $200,000 in royalties to Mauser for patent infringements on Mauser's rifle designs. That included 75 cents per M1903 Springfield Rifle produced, and charges for stripper clip production. Mauser did not actually sue, but both the United States and Mauser's attorneys agreed that the patent infringement had occurred and that any lawsuit would be won by Mauser. The situation was started during the Spanish-American War, when the United States forces were taking large numbers of casualties due to the superiority of the Mauser rifle being used by the Spanish forces. Rifles captured on the battlefield were sent to Springfield Armory, and were reverse engineered to come up with a design which was adopted by the U.S. Government as the Model 1903 Springfield Rifle.
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You can make the same argument for the 308. And these days the 308 is winning that argument

And that just goes to show how dumb people are. The advantage of a .308 is near 30-06 performance in a short action which makes for a lighter and handier rifle. A .308 in a long action is just an anemic 30-06.

Agreed 👍.....Hb

Picking a .308 in a long action over a .30-06 doesn't make sense to me either. The big advantage of the .308 over the .30-06 is short action. I don’t really think it’s that much of an advantage, so I guess that means it isn’t much of a disadvantage to have a LA in whatever caliber. I can see someone picking a .308 long action for a couple of reasons.
A. They don’t know that it’s a long action/don’t even know what action length is. This is probably most of them that pick a .308 in a long action.
B. Really like .308/load for it/have lots of guns for it and decide they really want that Tikka but don’t want to add a new caliber.

That was a lawsuit involving the Springfield 1903 and the Mauser 98. Mauser won the lawsuit and Springfield had to pay royalties until August 1914 when WW1 started.

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BINGO ! Springfield 1903 VERSUS Mauser *** NOT 8X57 vs 30-06.

Uh Huh. Thank You Elks

Jerry

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I'd qualify that "Near 30-06 FACTORY performance".

Try that in Optimum Handloads.

Jerry

[quote=elkhunternm]https://quizzclub.com/trivia/which-...el-1903-springfield-rifle/answer/286405/

Which European manufacturer was paid royalties by the United States Government for patent infringement over the Model 1903 Springfield Rifle?

From 1905 to 1914, the U.S. paid $200,000 in royalties to Mauser for patent infringements on Mauser's rifle designs. That included 75 cents per M1903 Springfield Rifle produced, and charges for stripper clip production. Mauser did not actually sue, but both the United States and Mauser's attorneys agreed that the patent infringement had occurred and that any lawsuit would be won by Mauser. The situation was started during the Spanish-American War, when the United States forces were taking large numbers of casualties due to the superiority of the Mauser rifle being used by the Spanish forces. Rifles captured on the battlefield were sent to Springfield Armory, and were reverse engineered to come up with a design which was adopted by the U.S. Government as the Model 1903 Springfield Rifle.
More Info: www.google.com
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YEP !!

Where's 8X57 ? Ain't there.

Jerry

IMO and from EXPERIENCE It shows the 'ignorance' of people to think and claim 30-06 performance from a 308 case.

Factory IS close. I HANDLOAD and am NOT limited to FACTORY cartridges including the 30-06.

I've loaded BOTH and they AIN'T the same.

Jerry

Thank You BARM

I read it as I said I would. AGAIN the focus was on 'POINTED' bullets and Rifle DESIGN

NOT the 8X57 case.

I do appreciate it.

I'm STILL looking for a SOURCE showing the Relativity of the 8X57 CASE to the 30-06 including CASE.

Jerry

To Anyone and All.....

Show Me The Source of "the 8X57 is the PARENT case of the 30-06".

I PROMISE I'll read it. IF, IF it's true....I'll admit it.

For now it's POPPYCOCK to me.

Jerry

I sorta get tired of hearing about short actions ...

I like short actions. I like .308s. But I like 30-06s better and they are superior to .308s.

“Sorta” ?

Edit - 1/2” shorter ‘seems’ like a foot !

4 OZ, UH 1/4 pound ! WOW

Yawn.. ZZZZZZZZZZZ

jwall, I said that before sleep.

I have one but in reality it won't do anything for me that a 30-06 won't do.

My little brain tells me I'm cool cuz I use the lesser known 280 (and a 300H&H) ...... I'm not.

Me too ... Depending on the chambering, short actions run out of mag space limiting how far you can seat out bullets.

That's why I picked the 6CM over the 243.