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I also make the claim that Jesus is the Messiah.

Claims, ..nothing but wishful thinking claims.

Faith allows all sorts of belief to flourish. That's why we have countless versions of God, gods, spirits, demons and angels. Faith based belief that provides comfort, certainty and meaning to the believer.

We will just agree to disagree,

But on the subject of punctuation:
, there was no such punctuation in the original
Biblical manuscript language.. Are you sure that
Scripture translators over millenia correctly applied
such?
Translators themselves were not inspired by God,
hence their puntuation could have errors
which would change how people interpret.

And the fake letters of Paul and Peter included
in Bible dont do much for credibility as the book
being the inspired word of a God, especially
considering the shaky methods christians
used to decide what is canonical and what isn't.




No believer can substantiate that their version
is anymore valid than another's... but it dont stop
some foolishly claiming if not insisting otherwise.
Worst are Christianity and Islam which have the
mission of converting the world to their beliefs.

And all they are doing is inviting people to join
A mob which still continually argues amongst
themselves about what it true and what isn't
in their man written mythology.

Jesus’ most devout first century followers never owned ‘the Bible’, and never read ‘the Bible’...because there was no ‘the Bible’ to be had or read. There was no ‘the Bible’ until the fourth century.

The Bible isn’t the foundation of the Christian faith. It clearly wasn’t for Jesus’ most devout first century followers, and it’s not now. But many people are quick to question or attack a book that didn’t even exist when Christianity began.

Christianity would still be true even if every Bible and manuscript in the world were non-existent.

thank the one and only Church for that

Good discussion.

Do you like other christians, take Bible to
be the true and accurate word of God?

You do rely on scripture for the basis of
your beliefs, correct?





Anyone who relies on a personal bubble of
make believe can claim anything to be true.
I've asked you to substantiate claims you
have made, but you seem unable.

True, the illiterate relied on hand me down
oral account..the question is how much truth
and accuracy did such tales maintain when
passed along?.. ie: how much fact vs fiction?

Tall stories have flourished in all cultures and
and belief systems, no reason backward middle
east folks would be exempt.

You refer to me as a ‘Christian’; although I’ve not used that terminology in regards to myself. Regardless, there is a difference between something that is seen as an authority for one to live by, and something that is considered the foundation of one’s faith. The Jesus that I know isn’t bound by the covers of a book. And my belief in Him doesn’t require an inerrant Bible, nor does my belief in Him require a literal interpretation of the entire Bible.For example, the “claim” that you just made.My beliefs are mine, just as yours are yours. I don’t have to substantiate my beliefs, even though I sometimes choose to do so. If others choose to see things differently for themselves...or have beliefs different than mine...then so be it.

Wrong. The most devout first century followers of Jesus that I’m referring to relied upon what they had seen and heard with their own eyes and ears. They witnessed His miracles, they heard His teachings, and they watched Him die. And then, *most importantly*, they saw Him alive afterwards. Some even had breakfast with Him on the beach afterwards.

Those followers didn't record their alleged
experiences, you are relying on mystery
ghost writers well after to relay what you
now claim to be true.

In other words you rely on writers that
didn't witness any such events.

Believers are known to stretch their imagination
then claim it as the 'truth'.

Beliefs; we all have em’. Yours and mine are clearly different from one another. I’m OK with that.

Remember Jesus' parable of Lazarus and the rich man. The rich man was in torment while Lazarus was in the bosom of Abraham, a place of peace and rest. This was before Jesus died and rose. The 2 men were in different parts of the hereafter and there was no crossing over.

Some argue Abraham's bosom refers to heaven.
others say Abraham's bosom is the compartment
in Sheol/hades for the righteous.

as usual christian beliefs conflict and come down
to nothing more than differences of unsubstantiated
opinion.

I don't see it as a matter of who believes this or that, but a question of what is true and factual and what is not.

Simply believing that something is true doesn't make it true. What it says in this or that book doesn't make the claims made within the book true.

The question is: why do we believe whatever we happen to believe?

They don't know what is true and factual but go
on pretending they do, even displaying the absurd
audacity to call others out as Wrong, like some
self appointed Supreme authority on the matter.

When you apply the litmus test to their claims
they show no substance, for their belief is purely
Subjective.

And worse, lashing out at anyone who questions. Rather than exploring the nature of belief in an objective manner, making it personal, resorting to ad Homs.

The Pharisees weren't "the Pharisees" because of the God-given laws. They were "the Pharisees" because they lost sight of the spirit of the laws.

Frankly, I can't think of anything more graceless than encouraging people to destroy themselves. That was then, this is now. Now nihilists are the problem.