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Lapping for what I saw in the pics?
Look at the small, cross way striations on top of the lands. That's the kind of stuff for lapping, not those large gouges and pieces of mashed over steel.
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Just refer Jess to this site - he comes here sometimes and can simply view the pics here. I will be very surprised if he does not offer to fix this, even with a new barrel if required. I'd keep on shooting it until then. Try some cup and core bullets vs the barnes - a bit cheaper to get the smoothing process going.
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Have you showed those to JES? It's obviously a crap quality job.
I agree. I wish I knew his email address. I don’t even know what to say to the guy.More pictures and a video. Hopefully clearer. https://photos.app.goo.gl/2CuRHLRxkvyxG5uu5To me, these mess ups don’t appear to be anything wrong with the metal because several of the mess ups are at the same point down the barrel on two or three grooves/lands of the rifling, but I wouldn’t know the first thing to cutting a barrel myself. Here's what I'd say: "Hello, this is [underpressure]. Back on [date] you rebored a rifle to .358 Winchester for me [give a few details about the rifle]. After receiving the rifle back, I've been trying various loads and the results are not what I had anticipated. Looking through the barrel with my borescope I'm seeing some areas that are concerning to me. I understand a rebored barrel may not end up looking like a factory match barrel, but I think my barrel may have some issues above and beyond what's "normal" and I'd like to discuss this with you."
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Have you showed those to JES? It's obviously a crap quality job.
I agree. I wish I knew his email address. I don’t even know what to say to the guy.More pictures and a video. Hopefully clearer. https://photos.app.goo.gl/2CuRHLRxkvyxG5uu5To me, these mess ups don’t appear to be anything wrong with the metal because several of the mess ups are at the same point down the barrel on two or three grooves/lands of the rifling, but I wouldn’t know the first thing to cutting a barrel myself. Here's what I'd say: "Hello, this is [underpressure]. Back on [date] you rebored a rifle to .358 Winchester for me [give a few details about the rifle]. After receiving the rifle back, I've been trying various loads and the results are not what I had anticipated. Looking through the barrel with my borescope I'm seeing some areas that are concerning to me. I understand a rebored barrel may not end up looking like a factory match barrel, but I think my barrel may have some issues above and beyond what's "normal" and I'd like to discuss this with you." Well done 👍
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Bullet is going to come out of that barrel confused.
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You may have to print the pictures and mail them with a letter. I spoke to Wayne York about this. He does have an email address and he may be able to lap and salvage the barrel. http://www.oregunsmithingllc.com/I emailed Wayne, and he emailed me back. He said galling is a frequent issue while trying to cut rifle certain stainless barrels. He doesn't think lapping wouldn't help correct the issues this barrel has, and a new barrel would be the best answer.
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I wouldn’t send Wayne York anything to rebore. He did fine on my sons 243 build but royally screwed up 2 rebores and refused to even look at them
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I wouldn’t send Wayne York anything to rebore. He did fine on my sons 243 build but royally screwed up 2 rebores and refused to even look at them
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Posted this last sunday , still haven't taken it up with JES just bad mouthing his work on the internet then expect him to fix it? You are a real piece of work. Mb
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Posted this last sunday , still haven't taken it up with JES just bad mouthing his work on the internet then expect him to fix it? You are a real piece of work. Mb I bet you're the life of every party you attend...
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Posted this last sunday , still haven't taken it up with JES just bad mouthing his work on the internet then expect him to fix it? You are a real piece of work. Mb This^
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Lapping for what I saw in the pics?
Look at the small, cross way striations on top of the lands. That's the kind of stuff for lapping, not those large gouges and pieces of mashed over steel. JES cuts rifling so he may be able to clean it up and then lap.....but not if you don’t call him and let him know
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Posted this last sunday , still haven't taken it up with JES just bad mouthing his work on the internet then expect him to fix it? You are a real piece of work. Mb I wonder how it it that we can know what the OP's interactions with JES have or have not been in the time since he first posted his issue. Maybe they are already working together to solve the problem? I'd give both of them the benefit of the doubt for now. Though if Jess makes it right somehow I do think the OP needs to come back and report that, so the thread doesn't end looking bad for JES. I'll just wait for the final answer... Cheers, Rex
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I think JES even says that some barrels won't rebore very well. Some barrel materials/fabrication methods aren't conducive to quality rebores.
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I always considered a rebore the roll of the dice. Some work, some don't and the ones that don't aren't always the fault of the one doing the work. It's just the nature of the beast.
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Posted this last sunday , still haven't taken it up with JES just bad mouthing his work on the internet then expect him to fix it? You are a real piece of work. Mb I wonder how it it that we can know what the OP's interactions with JES have or have not been in the time since he first posted his issue. Maybe they are already working together to solve the problem? I'd give both of them the benefit of the doubt for now. Though if Jess makes it right somehow I do think the OP needs to come back and report that, so the thread doesn't end looking bad for JES. I'll just wait for the final answer... Cheers, Rex Agree. Just common courtesy. JES has a bunch of good reports. But all barrels won’t work as well as others. And you never know till it’s tried. All can say, my .358 Win rebore shoots better than the pitted .243 Pre-64 Fwt I sent him. It’s a bit finicky, but does shoot a few loads very well. I’ve just got to tweak’em, find the best one(s) and go from there. And it is enjoyable Loony stuff, for sure. DF
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I agree with your assessment. I always considered a rebore the roll of the dice. Some work, some don't and the ones that don't aren't always the fault of the one doing the work. It's just the nature of the beast.
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I always considered a rebore the roll of the dice. Some work, some don't and the ones that don't aren't always the fault of the one doing the work. It's just the nature of the beast. From all that I’ve read, I agree. My one rebore job to date was fine by JES and it certainly shoots better now. I also sent in a pawn shop rescue, so my ceiling was high. I’d personally think twice before sending in a perfectly fine rifle that had done value snd was a fine shooter.
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I always considered a rebore the roll of the dice. Some work, some don't and the ones that don't aren't always the fault of the one doing the work. It's just the nature of the beast. From all that I’ve read, I agree. My one rebore job to date was fine by JES and it certainly shoots better now. I also sent in a pawn shop rescue, so my ceiling was high. I’d personally think twice before sending in a perfectly fine rifle that had done value snd was a fine shooter. I would never rebore a shooter. I didn’t; I wouldn’t. But for one that’s pitted, needing a new barrel, rebore is an option. DF
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JES cuts rifling so he may be able to clean it up and then lap.....but not if you don’t call him and let him know
Does JES inspect the work they do before it leaves the shop? Whats it take to send a note with the barreled action explaining how the job turned out? ie: why does the customer have to look through the tube and find such 'surprises' , then have to raise the issue with JES? I understand Nosler 48 have PacNor barrels, are they know to present problems in rebores?
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