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I think you can use FTX's in the .356 or .358. I'd suggest not pushing them to the max, too far beyond 35 Rem limits, unless you want varmint bullet performance...

They are very accurate, just not sure how they'd perform at 2,600-2,700 fps on WT's. I say 2,700 because pushing 175 gr. FTX's at that speed, or even faster, out of a .356 or .358 shouldn't be that difficult.

DF

When using the FTX in the .356 the cannelure and final COAL might require some case trimming to a specific length for feeding reliability.
Lotsa info out there on it.

I have not seen the FTX act any softer or more destructive than a plain cup-and-core Winchester factory 200gr. But even those can be pretty hard on meat at close ranges. Bloodshot shoulders are normal. 250gr factory not as bad but slower and a bigger trajectory difference.

Speer 220gr are the way to fly in the .356.

I have to agree so far WTM45

I harvested a cow elk at under 40 yards or so with my 336 ER using those 220. She went 18 yards, and there was minimal tissue loss. I wish I could post photos but out here in the sticks I don't have enough gigaflops or I am a dumb azz or both.

So I have these 200 grain old Hornady round nose #3525. How fast at muzzle should these need to be for point blank whitetail work?
Thanks

Guess I need to ask, point blank how far?

And out of what round?

DF

Should I match it with the 220 speed? Or maybe a lil faster? Or slower?

356 win. Under 100 yards. Most likely 80 yards.

Looks like I will have used up my old Hornady today's testing so I have sierra 200 grain Round nose #2800

Thanks again for your input.

If you know the velocity and the B.C. you can get drop data from the Hornady Ballistics calculator.

I'm thinking if you're 2" or so high at a hundred, you should be good to around 200, maybe with some drop. I don't think it's a 300 yd. round, well maybe with a turret and lob them in. My 45-70 BPCR with the 250 gr. Barnes TTSX at 2.550 fps will land them all on a pie plate at three hundred, using the CDS set up for that load.

I had a VX-3i 3.5-10x40 CDS I was gonna set up with my best .358 Win load to do likewise. The Leupold went bonkers, is on the way back to Oregon. If they can get it fixed and if it stays fixed, I may yet try that.

DF

Got back from the shooting.

The sun was not straight over head.
Yesterday's data was a 200 grain Hornady NOT a 250,

So I continued with the 200 and a comparison with a marlin 336 ADL ( rifle not carbine) in 35 Remington

The 35 Remington clocked a 200 grain FTX at
2157 using 38 grains exterminator

2219 using 37 H335

2280 with a round nose 200 grain interlock and 38.5 H 4895

The two 356 one marlin one Winchester took the round nose 200 grain Hornady to

2354

The Winchester got sticky so I quit it. The marlin kept going it shot my max loads built
43.5 of H 335.

Both 356 s shot 220 grain Speer hot cor loads of 42 H335

2250

I don't think my chronograph technique is that great but I hope you can understand why I believe the 35 Remington in a 336 rifle can compare favorably to a 356/358 Lever action if it's not a BLR, or model 88.

Recently did some load development with the 356w using several different powders in a custom 24in barreled mod 94.Chronagraphed the 200gr Hornady at over 2400FPS with TAC, don't recall load. Prefer the 250gr Kodiak, my old load with 4064 got 2150FPS, with 46grTAC got 2280FPS with no pressure signs. With factory 200gr got 2450FPS.

I've found Ramshot's Xterminator works great in my M94 356. My average with the 200 Hornady RN is 2400 fps and with the 180 Speer is about 2500 fps. Both have been surprisingly accurate out of my rifle. I haven't shot the 220s yet.

Thanks! I will try the XT in the 356..

I am real low on TAC. The company told me the reccomend XT over TAC. I think TAC is too bulky won't all fit in the case.

Why do factory loads seem to get speed without pressure?

Is it the brass? It's all so fascinating 2 me.

I tried TAC in my 356, but Xterminator worked better. Here is what I got from Ramshot some time back:

Caliber: .356 Winchester
Barrel length: 24”
Powder: Ramshot- X-TERMINATOR®.

Bullet weight: 180 grains.
Start load: 43.6 grains (2400 – 2500 Ft/p/sec)
Maximum load: 48.5 grains (2675 - 2775 Ft/p/sec).LD ca 106%

Bullet weight: 200 grains.
Start load: 41.0 grains (2200 – 2300 Ft/p/sec)
Maximum load: 45.5 grains (2500 – 2600 Ft/p/sec) LD ca 105%.

Bullet weight: 220 grains.
Start load: 39.2 grains (2175 – 2275 Ft/p/sec)
Maximum load: 43.5 grains (2400 – 2500 Ft/p/sec) LD ca 104%.

Bullet weight: 250 grains.
Start load: 37.4 grains (2050 – 2125 Ft/p/sec)
Maximum load: 41.5 grains (2300 – 2375 Ft/p/sec) LD ca 103%.

Awesome

The 94 AE s took 40.5 with the 250 grain Hornady round nose and cci 250 s

The marlin ER popped its Lever at 39.5. This marlin was worked over by a gunsmith to smooth the action so I believe it is more sensitive to pressure than factory.

But like my uncle said.......39 grains ....or 40.5 grains ........the beast ain't gonna know the difference.

Thanks!

I rebarreled a Sako Finnwolf to 358 Win that was originally chambered for the 243. To my mind the Finnwolf is what the M88 wanted to be. 99s and 88s are hard to find and pricey.

Does the finnwolf need the slave pins to assemble? Like the 88?

Darryle, i sent you a PM

No, they don’t.

A lot of it is blended powders not available for reloading. You cannot touch ballistics of Weatherby factory ammo with reloads and they have admitted such.
I suspect it is the same with others.
And they just plain lie... optimal barrel lengths and conditions.