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I saw complete SOLGW 16" rifles for $1200 this morning.
Where? I would be interested to know also, fantastic firearm fantastic company top notch.
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I saw complete SOLGW 16" rifles for $1200 this morning.
Where? I would be interested to know also, fantastic firearm fantastic company top notch. A gun shop in Louisiana got 20 of them in stock. They shared it on their FB page. They update who has what regularly there.
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I saw complete SOLGW 16" rifles for $1200 this morning.
Where? I would be interested to know also, fantastic firearm fantastic company top notch. IDK, How could this possible be any good? https://sonsoflibertygw.com/shop/the-timothy-murphy-match-grade-upper-customizable/Sons of Liberty Gun Works Bolt Carrier Group HPT/MPI Bolt: precision machined from Carpenter Technology No. 158 Hiddenoy, heat treated per mil-spec, shot peened per ASTM B851/SAE AMS2430S, vibratory tumbled, individual high pressure/proof test fired (HPT), individual magnetic particle inspection ASTM E1444/E1444M (MPI), markings deep laser engraved (SP=Shot Peened/HPT=High Pressure Tested, MPI=Magnetic Particle Inspection. Extractor: precision machined from 4340 tool steel Hiddenoy per SAE AMS6415T/AMS6484D (vs typical 4140; mil-spec Hiddenows for either 4140 or 4340), heat treat, shot peen per ASTM B851/SAE AMS2430S. Extractor Retaining Pin: precision machined and ground S7 Tool Steel, heat treated per ASTM A681-08, shot peened per mil-spec print, manganese phosphate Extractor Spring (premium spring eliminates need for Crane O-Ring), Tactical Springs/Sprinco 5 coil, ASTM Grade A401 Chrome Silicon wire stock, heat treated, stress relieved, Molybdenum-Disulfide infused, cryogenic processed (Hidden post winding), mil-spec black insert/synthetic elastomer extractor buffer (nitrile-butadiene, shore hardness 80+/-5 durometer per MIL-PRF-6855) Ejector: S7 Tool Steel, heat treated per ASTM A681-08, shot peened per mil-spec print, manganese phosphate Ejector Spring, Tactical Springs/Sprinco ASTM Grade A401 Chrome Silicon wire stock, heat treated, stress relieved, Molybdenum-Disulfide infused, cryogenic processed (Hidden post winding) Gas Rings: mil standard stainless steel X3 Carrier: machined from AISI 8620 aircraft qualty Hiddenoy per ASTM A108/A322-13, full auto profile, heat treated (carburized/strain relieved per mil-spec print), hard chrome bore, precision ground gas key interface, Sons of Liberty Battle Flag logo deep laser engraved, manganese phosphate Gas Key: machined from 4130 chromoly steel Hiddenoy per ASTM A108/A322-13, heat treated, hard chrome internal, manganese phosphate, Permatex sealed, Grade 8 Torx Plus cap screws torqued and staked Hidden per mil-spec Cam Pin: precision machined 4340 chromoly steel Hiddenoy per SAE AMS6415T/AMS6484D, heat treated/processed per mil-spec, manganese phosphate, solid film lubricant applied and cured per mil-spec Firing Pin: precision machined 8640 steel Hiddenoy, heat treated/processed per mil-spec, hard chrome plate Firing Pin Retaining Pin: precision machined from 1038 carbon steel, heat treated/processed per mil-spec, manganese phosphate
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I pay a compliment to one and the world comes to an end according to some.
Ok. So, anyone who has had positive actual first hand experience ain't worthy you are saying? This was all perfectly predictable. Yes, it was perfectly predictable that people would react hyper emotionally like a bunch of women to a discussion about the quality of a tool.
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A BCA AR and a Hi-Point 9mm would be a winning combo.
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I saw complete SOLGW 16" rifles for $1200 this morning.
Where? I would be interested to know also, fantastic firearm fantastic company top notch. IDK, How could this possible be any good? https://sonsoflibertygw.com/shop/the-timothy-murphy-match-grade-upper-customizable/Sons of Liberty Gun Works Bolt Carrier Group HPT/MPI Bolt: precision machined from Carpenter Technology No. 158 Hiddenoy, heat treated per mil-spec, shot peened per ASTM B851/SAE AMS2430S, vibratory tumbled, individual high pressure/proof test fired (HPT), individual magnetic particle inspection ASTM E1444/E1444M (MPI), markings deep laser engraved (SP=Shot Peened/HPT=High Pressure Tested, MPI=Magnetic Particle Inspection. Extractor: precision machined from 4340 tool steel Hiddenoy per SAE AMS6415T/AMS6484D (vs typical 4140; mil-spec Hiddenows for either 4140 or 4340), heat treat, shot peen per ASTM B851/SAE AMS2430S. Extractor Retaining Pin: precision machined and ground S7 Tool Steel, heat treated per ASTM A681-08, shot peened per mil-spec print, manganese phosphate Extractor Spring (premium spring eliminates need for Crane O-Ring), Tactical Springs/Sprinco 5 coil, ASTM Grade A401 Chrome Silicon wire stock, heat treated, stress relieved, Molybdenum-Disulfide infused, cryogenic processed (Hidden post winding), mil-spec black insert/synthetic elastomer extractor buffer (nitrile-butadiene, shore hardness 80+/-5 durometer per MIL-PRF-6855) Ejector: S7 Tool Steel, heat treated per ASTM A681-08, shot peened per mil-spec print, manganese phosphate Ejector Spring, Tactical Springs/Sprinco ASTM Grade A401 Chrome Silicon wire stock, heat treated, stress relieved, Molybdenum-Disulfide infused, cryogenic processed (Hidden post winding) Gas Rings: mil standard stainless steel X3 Carrier: machined from AISI 8620 aircraft qualty Hiddenoy per ASTM A108/A322-13, full auto profile, heat treated (carburized/strain relieved per mil-spec print), hard chrome bore, precision ground gas key interface, Sons of Liberty Battle Flag logo deep laser engraved, manganese phosphate Gas Key: machined from 4130 chromoly steel Hiddenoy per ASTM A108/A322-13, heat treated, hard chrome internal, manganese phosphate, Permatex sealed, Grade 8 Torx Plus cap screws torqued and staked Hidden per mil-spec Cam Pin: precision machined 4340 chromoly steel Hiddenoy per SAE AMS6415T/AMS6484D, heat treated/processed per mil-spec, manganese phosphate, solid film lubricant applied and cured per mil-spec Firing Pin: precision machined 8640 steel Hiddenoy, heat treated/processed per mil-spec, hard chrome plate Firing Pin Retaining Pin: precision machined from 1038 carbon steel, heat treated/processed per mil-spec, manganese phosphate Parts are parts, That’s all snake oil talk:))))
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It is predictable and funny.
Both sides are right, and wrong.
Different people, different expectations. Different requirements/different prejudices.
The only ones wrong are the ones that speak in absolutes. The big boy will make one that fails, The cheapies will make some very good, accurate ones. Usually. Maybe. That, is the difference.
What does drive me nuts is the hidden stuff, and the overlap. There is so much outsourcing, how can you be sure you Knight's isn't sharing some parts with a cheapie? Or at least manufacturing? Or, does it matter?
If a top tier started buying bcg's from BCA, is that ok? What if they meet or exceed true mil-spec?
Of course they would have to hide it. Otherwise, the high end buyers would be pissed.
And the low end would be bragging their bolt, made to different specs, was "The Same parts as the $3k guns".
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It is predictable and funny.
Both sides are right, and wrong.
Different people, different expectations. Different requirements/different prejudices.
The only ones wrong are the ones that speak in absolutes. The big boy will make one that fails, The cheapies will make some very good, accurate ones. Usually. Maybe. That, is the difference.
What does drive me nuts is the hidden stuff, and the overlap. There is so much outsourcing, how can you be sure you Knight's isn't sharing some parts with a cheapie? Or at least manufacturing? Or, does it matter?
If a top tier started buying bcg's from BCA, is that ok? What if they meet or exceed true mil-spec?
it's quite possible BCM and BCA could get some parts from the same manufactures. Those that fail BCM's QC get sent back to the factory, and resold to BCA. That's basically how DPMS started, buying Colts QC rejects.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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My son came into one of their uppers in .458 SOCOM. That my grandsons have not been able to wear it out yet has not been from lack of trying. Would I want it as a serious defense arm? No, but that’s not what he’s got it for. He’s got it for the kids to blast stuff in the backyard: steel plates, tin cans, tannerite bombs, etc. I think that’s a real legitimate use for a cheap upper. When the stuff breaks they learn to fix it. He got the youngest kid a PSA kit for a few hundred bucks last year and the boy learned how to put an AR together in a few nights after school. For that purpose it would make no sense to me to take the time and spend the money for all the latest highly regarded components to build a super AR. Let kids be kids. Cra, Keep a close eye on the bolt around 500 rounds. BCA's rather infamous for improper heat treatment, so check the dimensions of your pivot pin hole and make sure signs of egging and stretching. Thanks. I'll pass that on to my son.
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I saw complete SOLGW 16" rifles for $1200 this morning.
Where? I would be interested to know also, fantastic firearm fantastic company top notch. IDK, How could this possible be any good? https://sonsoflibertygw.com/shop/the-timothy-murphy-match-grade-upper-customizable/Sons of Liberty Gun Works Bolt Carrier Group HPT/MPI Bolt: precision machined from Carpenter Technology No. 158 Hiddenoy, heat treated per mil-spec, shot peened per ASTM B851/SAE AMS2430S, vibratory tumbled, individual high pressure/proof test fired (HPT), individual magnetic particle inspection ASTM E1444/E1444M (MPI), markings deep laser engraved (SP=Shot Peened/HPT=High Pressure Tested, MPI=Magnetic Particle Inspection. Extractor: precision machined from 4340 tool steel Hiddenoy per SAE AMS6415T/AMS6484D (vs typical 4140; mil-spec Hiddenows for either 4140 or 4340), heat treat, shot peen per ASTM B851/SAE AMS2430S. Extractor Retaining Pin: precision machined and ground S7 Tool Steel, heat treated per ASTM A681-08, shot peened per mil-spec print, manganese phosphate Extractor Spring (premium spring eliminates need for Crane O-Ring), Tactical Springs/Sprinco 5 coil, ASTM Grade A401 Chrome Silicon wire stock, heat treated, stress relieved, Molybdenum-Disulfide infused, cryogenic processed (Hidden post winding), mil-spec black insert/synthetic elastomer extractor buffer (nitrile-butadiene, shore hardness 80+/-5 durometer per MIL-PRF-6855) Ejector: S7 Tool Steel, heat treated per ASTM A681-08, shot peened per mil-spec print, manganese phosphate Ejector Spring, Tactical Springs/Sprinco ASTM Grade A401 Chrome Silicon wire stock, heat treated, stress relieved, Molybdenum-Disulfide infused, cryogenic processed (Hidden post winding) Gas Rings: mil standard stainless steel X3 Carrier: machined from AISI 8620 aircraft qualty Hiddenoy per ASTM A108/A322-13, full auto profile, heat treated (carburized/strain relieved per mil-spec print), hard chrome bore, precision ground gas key interface, Sons of Liberty Battle Flag logo deep laser engraved, manganese phosphate Gas Key: machined from 4130 chromoly steel Hiddenoy per ASTM A108/A322-13, heat treated, hard chrome internal, manganese phosphate, Permatex sealed, Grade 8 Torx Plus cap screws torqued and staked Hidden per mil-spec Cam Pin: precision machined 4340 chromoly steel Hiddenoy per SAE AMS6415T/AMS6484D, heat treated/processed per mil-spec, manganese phosphate, solid film lubricant applied and cured per mil-spec Firing Pin: precision machined 8640 steel Hiddenoy, heat treated/processed per mil-spec, hard chrome plate Firing Pin Retaining Pin: precision machined from 1038 carbon steel, heat treated/processed per mil-spec, manganese phosphate All that is really nothing special, only as it should be. And what you will get from the top tier companies or if you build yourself & select your own individual parts, as pretty much listed above. Pretty much all really good component suppliers will state the specs of their components, similar or more or less, as above. If they don't, you can pretty much be sure that they don't meet those specs..............not always, but since the good ones do, why buy parts that don't call out or give you their specs? JMHO, YMMV MM
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Pretty much all really good component suppliers will state the specs of their components, similar or more or less, as above.
If they don't, you can pretty much be sure that they don't meet those specs..............not always, but since the good ones do, why buy parts that don't call out or give you their specs?
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How many companies actually list the specs on the firing pin retaining pins?
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How many companies actually list the specs on the firing pin retaining pins?
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I'm glad to see we have all came to an agreement $1200 uppers are great I'm sure, but I'm no "operator" and it will be a cold day in hell before I spend a grand or more on any AR, much less an upper alone. No different than many that won't spend $1500 on a Benelli when I will and have 3 of them.
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Pretty much all really good component suppliers will state the specs of their components, similar or more or less, as above.
If they don't, you can pretty much be sure that they don't meet those specs..............not always, but since the good ones do, why buy parts that don't call out or give you their specs?
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How many companies actually list the specs on the firing pin retaining pins? I said "not always"................... That's a part that usually doesn't have the spec cited..................even from Colt. Colt PartsMM
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I believe they were the subject of an immigration raid not long ago? Not the kind of company I'm willing to support with my money.
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I pay a compliment to one and the world comes to an end according to some.
Ok. So, anyone who has had positive actual first hand experience ain't worthy you are saying? This was all perfectly predictable. Yes, it was perfectly predictable that people would react hyper emotionally like a bunch of women to a discussion about the quality of a tool. I know, can't see why it would matter to you that BCA would work for folks. Estrogen high?
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$1200 uppers are great I'm sure, but I'm no "operator" and it will be a cold day in hell before I spend a grand or more on any AR,
Not really sure what an "operator" is, but I'm guessing some kind of "professional soldier" whatever the fu^ck that means. And I'm guessing that most of their uppers are a little north of $1200. MM
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I believe they were the subject of an immigration raid not long ago? Not the kind of company I'm willing to support with my money. From what I've heard it was a temp agency that sent illegals with forged documents to work for them and BCA was released of all charges. Just what I've heard...
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Who wouldn't want to pay for a gun or parts made by illegal aliens? Sounds pretty solid to me. Lets see if Rick can get them to sponsor the AR and Tactical Rifles forum.
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Who wouldn't want to pay for a gun or parts made by illegal aliens? Or by temp agency employees too.......................they gotta be well trained & highly skilled help, too. Hard to make this schitt up. MM
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