You are much better off buying a quality used machine with comprehensive tooling.
Yep, that will magically appear here in W Montana for my consideration... Check...
You don't have to believe in magic--just use your head. How do you think brand new Chinese machines get to W Montana? (They are shipped)
If you are simply trying to rationalize buying a cheap import, just admit it and settle for what you get. Same as buying from Harbor Freight. Or if you are a lazy shopper, or can't justify the time it takes to search the used machine market, that's ok too. But don't expect quality to magically appear for your consideration if you are unwilling to put in some effort.
Fuuckoff
No need to be a rude little beotch. Just trying to get you to see beyond the cheap imports. Once you buy any new bare machine you can dump a bunch of $ into tooling.
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You are much better off buying a quality used machine with comprehensive tooling.
Yep, that will magically appear here in W Montana for my consideration... Check...
You don't have to believe in magic--just use your head. How do you think brand new Chinese machines get to W Montana? (They are shipped)
If you are simply trying to rationalize buying a cheap import, just admit it and settle for what you get. Same as buying from Harbor Freight. Or if you are a lazy shopper, or can't justify the time it takes to search the used machine market, that's ok too. But don't expect quality to magically appear for your consideration if you are unwilling to put in some effort.
Fuuckoff
No need to be a rude little beotch. Just trying to get you to see beyond the cheap imports. Once you buy any new bare machine you can dump a bunch of $ into tooling.
Fuuckoff.
"I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!" --- Kid Rock 2022
Just make sure you go with a dovetail column on a small mill. Stay from the round columns, they move to much, under heavy work. My last mill was a Lagun brand knee mill, to big of foot print in the shop!
Absolutely. I have been looking at stuff for a long time prior to actually deciding what I really need for my interests. Round column bench mill - no, and that reality has taken me up up up in cost... Looking at a cherry big Jet knee mill Saturday, it's a lot, in more "ways" than one.
Looking at this set of particulars. 20" or more X-axis (maxing out the bench mills), comes with or can add at least X/Y DRO, R8, and a strong preference for electric variable speed with high top end for rapid aluminum milling and Z DRO.
My jet 9x49 is older and well built. I almost pulled the trigger on a Tree UVR and kick myself for it. A couple years later my jet popped up for $1500 and I drove 200 miles to grab it.
I have a Chinese enco at work and it is a pile of crap. The jet mills with the large "m" in the casting are good machines for the money.
Originally Posted by BrentD
I would not buy something that runs on any kind of primer given the possibility of primer shortages and even regulations. In fact, why not buy a flintlock? Really. Rocks aren't going away anytime soon.
Guys so good they can make living from view count... although I would imagine Robrenz and Gotteswinter charge alot for their fancy machining.
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My jet 9x49 is older and well built. I almost pulled the trigger on a Tree UVR and kick myself for it. A couple years later my jet popped up for $1500 and I drove 200 miles to grab it.
I have a Chinese enco at work and it is a pile of crap. The jet mills with the large "m" in the casting are good machines for the money.
I am looking at a 9x49 Jet Saturday with 2 axis factory DRO and powered X-feed, VSD, cherry condition, have the hauling ability and it will fit into the space, but it ain't going for $1500 LOL.. Limited to one day round trip for used searching and I drive about 50 hours a week already, time is money, and time off is golden.
What are you planning on using it for? I told you in your other thread about how I came about getting my Bridgeport. I paid $1800 and another I want to say $270 to have it delivered to OK from CT.
I’ve run some of the newer imported machines and felt like most of the ones I used they tried to cover up deficiencies with added gadgetry. IE the spindle tolerance isn’t as good as an older American machine but it comes with all these accessories.
Of course if you’re making stuff out of plywood, don’t laugh I saw my buddy who’s the best machinist I’ve ever met cut a silhouette out of plywood on a Haas CNC, you don’t need the best there is. If you’re planning on making space shuttle parts you might want to hold out for the best you can afford.
A tip you probably already know being a trucker IIRC. I saved a ton of money on shipping due to the fact that at the time I worked at a place where I had access to a forklift and telehandler. Shipping was less than half since I was unloading the heavy assed thing. So if you know someone with a forklift it might save you some dough.
I sat it off on the shop driveway then at quitting time I loaded it onto my 12’ trailer and had a buddy follow to my place in the telehandler. Pulled up and opened the bay door on the shop. Forked it with the SkyTrac and shot the boom out inside the shop and set it down. Only had to bar it over about 2 feet to where I wanted to set it. I hate to think of the day I may have to move the heavy bastard to another shop.
Yah, the moving could get bad quick! I have a freight terminal for receiving, heavy trailers available for hauling, and the best of the precision shop equipment handling tools known to man, a backhoe, available!
"I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!" --- Kid Rock 2022
Sweet. You’ll be sure to have the backhoe seat sucked up your ass the whole time knowing that one wrong move on the controls of this schitty wore out backhoe will destroy this heavy and expensive piece of machinery I’ve waited so long to get. No sweat!
Sweet. You’ll be sure to have the backhoe seat sucked up your ass the whole time knowing that one wrong move on the controls of this schitty wore out backhoe will destroy this heavy and expensive piece of machinery I’ve waited so long to get. No sweat!
No, it's a pretty decent backhoe! LOL
"I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!" --- Kid Rock 2022
Take a 5/8nc eye bolt. You can pick it from the top. Nod the head and raise the table to hit CG. Otherwise 2 6' nylons work well.
Originally Posted by BrentD
I would not buy something that runs on any kind of primer given the possibility of primer shortages and even regulations. In fact, why not buy a flintlock? Really. Rocks aren't going away anytime soon.
I've got this 4 Axis Bridgeport that needs a home. I've got too much stuff and it all can't move with me to MI. It came out of the maintenance shop at a plant that made fish sticks. It's super clean. I don't think it was used much.
Originally Posted by 16penny
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
Kingston you don’t have an extra mill vise lying around you can’t move do you? I need one with a swivel base and I’d be happy to pay the freight if you make me a deal.
You WILL want a power feed & a DRO... BOTH will cut down on the travel / work area you need so make sure you check the spec’s on how much they do, and buy a longer X, Y, and even Z travel than you think you need (they don’t stretch).
X becomes important if you are doing precision stock work and want to true a LONG surface.
Z travel for when you are using a long jig like an action jig to pin a recoil lug which requires you to drill the sucker.
Y becomes important if you get a bench mill and pan the head to cut an angle (vs. buying a knee mill) so you can only do an angle precisely along the Y travel
Kingston you don’t have an extra mill vise lying around you can’t move do you? I need one with a swivel base and I’d be happy to pay the freight if you make me a deal.
I have a few vises and a couple rotary tables. They are all in still in MA. You should come up for the sale. I've got two big buildings full of stuff.
Originally Posted by 16penny
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
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