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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Gruff's sitting pretty collecting social security disability.



Is this a true statement?

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We dumped the AFSCME may years ago in the corrections of Misery. Be Well, RZ.


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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
A simple question for the union members here on the 'fire,

Are any of you willing to name your union and stand behind it's political contributions?



International union of operating engineers, I cannot stand behind my unions political contributions. That is why I no longer Contribute-into PAC. 30 years in this local I stopped contributing about 26 years ago :-) I have always voted Republican, most members in my local vote Republican not all but most.

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The biggest problem with Unions is that workers are not allowed to decide whether or not they want to "belong." Except in Right-to-Work states, their dues are automatically extracted from their pay. Membership is not an option.

The contract that allows this is between the employer and the union headquarters. The workers are not a party to it.

If unions are such a good deal, why do they have to coerce workers to join by taking their pay automatically? It's like the old Soviet Union. A "worker's paradise" and you aren't allowed to leave.

The second biggest problem is that it's almost impossible to decertify a union once they get in. There are some awfully managed companies. In fact you have to be awfully managed to get a union in. But if conditions improve, you're not allowed to get rid of it without jumping through almost-impossible hoops.

A union is like a shoe that if you try it on, you can't take it off.


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Strangely enough, not a union member here. Texas has a couple of teacher unions but with little political clout compared to some other states.

When I was hired back in the 80’s it was on a “continuing contract” still in effect 30+ years later, for the last 15 years or so teachers hiring into the district regardless of experience are hired on two year contracts that must be renewed every 48 months indefinitely.

But my own “continuing contract” is just a formality, my only job security is doing a good enough job that they want me on staff the following year. So far so good but every summer they want me back I breathe a sigh of relief; I still got an income until at least August the next summer (contract runs Sept-Aug).


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The primary benefit of a Union comes at retirement time. If you are a Union member you get to decide when you retire. If not you are at the whims of the company. You might get a severance, might not. This is a big deal. Retire five years early and your broke without a chance of recovery. Timing is important when moving towards SS.

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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
A simple question for the union members here on the 'fire,

Are any of you willing to name your union and stand behind it's political contributions?


I don't pay Union dues anymore, but the NEPBA formally backed Trump in '16 and '20.


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Police most often need Unions to protect themselves from politically appointed police chiefs particularly in the large cities of Blue states,,,,,and in red states.


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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
The biggest problem with Unions is that workers are not allowed to decide whether or not they want to "belong." Except in Right-to-Work states, their dues are automatically extracted from their pay. Membership is not an option.

I thank Governor Scott Walker for bringing right to work to our state. I used to belong to a union, but a few of us quit 2 years ago. Not going back

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Isn't the postal service union? That's about as good of an example as it gets.


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The function of a union is to represent its members in the workplace. They have no business meddling in immigration issues or politics beyond that mandate; representing their members at the bargaining table when needed. The members are the union.


Awww that is precious..... were you born yesterday?


Were you? It seems so. Not to mention being ignorant of why unions were formed in the first place, it appears that you were born yesterday. Plus incapable of grasping what I said. I didn't say that there aren't corrupt unions, or that reform is not needed, just that unions have their place, and their place at the negotiating table representing their members is what they should stick to.


I get it..... you preffer a Marxist collective to negotiate on your behalf , rather than standing on your own two feet...... a hint for you, they are representing the sloth next to you also....
At least you can advance on tenure rather than merit.... congrats

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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Billygoat , I am a member the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen, and one of the Union representatives for the record no I do not approve of all of their contributions . I voted for Donald Trump both times . I work for a class 1 Rail Road and thier disciple policy is extremely unreasonable. For example a 20 year Engineer with nothing on his record passed a stop signal in early 2019 his employment was terminated. Just this month I was able to get him back to work. Without the Union he would have been looking for another career at age 50. Aside from the Job protection the union negotiated benefits are some of the best in the industry. As far as those who think they can (opt) out of membership and still receive the same protection, well coming from the guy you are going to call when you get fired you might want to reconsider.


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I’m a member of poam. Seems the majority of their political contributions go to republicans and I’ve openly opposed contributions to democrats.


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Originally Posted by DBT
The function of a union is to represent its members in the workplace. They have no business meddling in immigration issues or politics beyond that mandate; representing their members at the bargaining table when needed. The members are the union.

Yep, and all politicians are humble public servants who are doing their best for their constituents - personal enrichment be damned.
LMAO

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Plumbers local 68, they still tell us to vote Dumbocrats

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IUE/CWA. I don't even know the local.
It just doesn't matter to me.

$8/week.
No! No one in our shop of 30 agrees with them.

The Quote from our president to the Rep.
"You and I have a better chance of eating lunch with the Pope than
of these guys supporting that!"


2004 through blatant mismanagement we about went broke.
They sold our most profitable business line for enough cash to
survive. It was contract time, and they went for the easiest cost
cutting. Wages and benefits.

Our jobs were advertised in the surrounding newspapers, when people
inquired, they found that they were already hiring our replacements.

Before the negotiations started!

We were met at the door, handed a piece of paper showing
immediate pay cuts of over 30%, vacation cuts...

Work or quit.

They never filed bankruptcy, and refused to claim poverty
to the union. Doing so would have required opening the books
to outside auditors.

Only because of being unionized did we manage to fight and preserve
some of our livelihood. Over the last 15 years we have slowly gained
back some of what we lost.

And before blaming the union for the trouble.

We had a management to worker ratio of 1/3.
Yep. Over 30 of our 100 employees were high paid expenses.

When they were going through the books to try and work their problems out,
They found multiple products being sold at 1980's pricing.

The problems weren't on my side of the door.


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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
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I`m not in a union so can`t help you there, however, is it any different than purchasing things from companies that support democrats?


A point well worth making.

But yeah, I'd say it is. If for no other reason, if next week I have the opportunity to buy a gallon of milk from the local IGA instead of Krogers I can do that. Union members don't really have a choice where their money goes. But you make a fair point.


I see that point, and agree the right leaning union members they don`t have control over where their money goes. I was viewing it as the right leaning employee has the choice to work elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Tarkio
Originally Posted by SCRUBS
I`m not in a union so can`t help you there, however, is it any different than purchasing things from companies that support democrats?


Fairly large difference.

If you are not a dem or leftist and a union member, you are acquiescing to having an organization represent you with your dollars to promote something that is antithetical to your core beliefs. All the while using your money and you as a person as a chit in the game to promote an end you do not abide by or agree with is a bit different than rewarding a company with a little profit occasionally when you decide at that time the the benefits to you outweigh the negative results of the company's efforts.

The biggest difference is the fact in the situation as a union member, you are giving them credence by having you counted as a "union member that supports...(insert the latest leftist bs cause)"


I was viewing it as, a right leaning union member has the choice to work for a union company or not.

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Originally Posted by SCRUBS
Originally Posted by Tarkio
Originally Posted by SCRUBS
I`m not in a union so can`t help you there, however, is it any different than purchasing things from companies that support democrats?


Fairly large difference.

If you are not a dem or leftist and a union member, you are acquiescing to having an organization represent you with your dollars to promote something that is antithetical to your core beliefs. All the while using your money and you as a person as a chit in the game to promote an end you do not abide by or agree with is a bit different than rewarding a company with a little profit occasionally when you decide at that time the the benefits to you outweigh the negative results of the company's efforts.

The biggest difference is the fact in the situation as a union member, you are giving them credence by having you counted as a "union member that supports...(insert the latest leftist bs cause)"


I was viewing it as, a right leaning union member has the choice to work for a union company or not.



I'd think that a right leaning union member has the right to work wherever he damn well pleases.........and it's none of anyone on here's business.

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IBEW member here and as an electrician that works in a coal fired power plant it really pisses me off that they always endorse the Democratic party. I don’t really get much for the $1000 I spend in dues.

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