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Re: model 70 explosion night_owl #15580052 12/28/20
Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 18,124 Likes: 36 A AKwolverine Campfire Ranger
AKwolverine Campfire Ranger A Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 18,124 Likes: 36	Originally Posted by night_owl Dog catcher, even if re-barreled, The rifle maker might still be liable for damages if the action is determined to be defectively designed/manufactured. After a bankruptcy and multiple owners, that would take one hell of an attorney.

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Re: model 70 explosion night_owl #15580061 12/28/20
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 39,352 Likes: 43 Flyover Country Teal Campfire 'Bwana
Teal Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 39,352 Likes: 43 Flyover Country	Originally Posted by night_owl Originally Posted by Teal Originally Posted by night_owl Even if re-barreled, The rifle maker might still be liable for damages if the action is determined to be defectively designed/manufactured. Pre-64? It's at a minimum 56 years old. Defect in design or manufacturing should have been evident long before now. good argument. Doesn't mean it won't get to a jury. Catastrophic failure (without warning) is a defect. Were I on the jury, be real hard to convince me that something made it 56+ years, rebarreled, shot and now there was a design or workmanship defect Winchester is liable for. Bout impossible actually. Sorry for the young man but pinning it on Winchester after a person of unknown skill put a barrel on it - probably not the ox that needs goring. Me

Re: model 70 explosion dan_oz #15580085 12/28/20
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 15,879 MBS, MI A AJ300MAG Campfire Ranger
AJ300MAG Campfire Ranger A Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 15,879 MBS, MI	It's amazing what one can see when looking at a part using a STEM...

Re: model 70 explosion windridge #15580089 12/28/20
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 2,820 SW MO W WeimsnKs Campfire Regular
WeimsnKs Campfire Regular W Joined: May 2004 Posts: 2,820 SW MO	Originally Posted by windridge Originally Posted by horse1 Is the barrel obstructed now? If so, nobody is about to re-use the bbl so one could either use a mill to essentially create a "cut-away" bbl exposing the contents, or, decide where the obstruction is, use a cleaning rod and a hammer to drive out the obstruction to whichever end it's closest to. N O !!! Send everything to the attorney who will no doubt be handling the young man's case, and log all the chain of custody. DON'T screw around with anything. Me thinks the OP is the attorney or investigator.

Re: model 70 explosion AKwolverine #15580134 12/28/20
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2,890 night_owl Campfire Regular
night_owl Campfire Regular Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2,890	Originally Posted by AKwolverine Originally Posted by night_owl Dog catcher, even if re-barreled, The rifle maker might still be liable for damages if the action is determined to be defectively designed/manufactured. After a bankruptcy and multiple owners, that would take one hell of an attorney. No one knows what happened - that's why I said "rifle maker" not "Winchester". My point was that notwithstanding manufacturer's warnings to the contrary, the mere fact that someone modifies a firearm or uses hand-loads doesn't automatically absolve a manufacturer of liability for a defective product. The injured man should certainly have the rifle and ammo examined by experts. Last edited by night_owl; 12/28/20. abusus non tollit usum

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Re: model 70 explosion mtman04 #15580180 12/28/20
Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 2,586 D dan_oz Campfire Regular
dan_oz Campfire Regular D Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 2,586	Originally Posted by mtman04 When and if I get any more information, I will post an update. I know that the young man is now reading this thread, and the family thanks everyone who gave their thoughts. I think they will be taking all the pieces and parts to a competent gunsmith and then probably to an attorney here in Montana. Thanks everyone. Failure investigation is not likely to be within the expertise of most gunsmiths, even really competent ones. It is a bit specialised. You'd be better off talking with a consultant in the field of failure investigation, with expertise in firearms and qualifications in metallurgy or a related field. FWIW I used to do this, though not in your country.

Re: model 70 explosion Craigster #15580345 12/28/20
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GAGoober Campfire Regular G Joined: Jul 2020 Posts: 2,422 Likes: 1	Originally Posted by Craigster Originally Posted by Craigster Very possible. Similar was done to enemy ammo caches in Vietnam. Ask me how I know. Semper Fi. Project Eldest Son, Italian Green & Pole Bean

Re: model 70 explosion mtman04 #15580461 12/28/20
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,522 Likes: 1 Alaska valley trash 7 79S Campfire Ranger
79S Campfire Ranger 7 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,522 Likes: 1 Alaska valley trash	I’m going with a cracked receiver, you can see where the action peeled back perfectly and you would never see the crack it would be below the wood line.. probably started off as small crack got progressively worse unfortunately she gave up the ghost and this young man paid the price.. I put two red arrows that show were it could of been cracked. I’m going with the lower red arrow.. Last edited by 79S; 12/28/20. Originally Posted by Bricktop Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.

Re: model 70 explosion mtman04 #15580479 12/28/20
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Spotshooter Campfire Ranger S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 16,972 Likes: 2 Eastern KS	Almost all blow ups that curl back metal had a bigger than the bore bullet in the mix. Is the barrel plugged ? (Bullet in it) Spot shooter www.prairiefireprecision.com

Re: model 70 explosion Spotshooter #15580512 12/28/20
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79S Campfire Ranger 7 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,522 Likes: 1 Alaska valley trash	Originally Posted by Spotshooter Almost all blow ups that curl back metal had a bigger than the bore bullet in the mix. Is the barrel plugged ? (Bullet in it) You can see the first fired case and the 3rd round the second case is stuck in the chamber. Unless someone stuck a 338 win mag in that box doubt it was ammo problem.. Reason no way in hell he get the bolt closed with a 338 in the chamber.. 300 win mag wouldn’t even chamber.. Originally Posted by Bricktop Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.

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Re: model 70 explosion mtman04 #15580594 12/28/20
Joined: Aug 2020 Posts: 90 3 375Taylor Campfire Greenhorn
375Taylor Campfire Greenhorn 3 Joined: Aug 2020 Posts: 90	I’d would guess the round causing the blow-up was a 30/06.

Re: model 70 explosion mtman04 #15580616 12/28/20
Joined: May 2013 Posts: 869 Prospect creek, MT S shootAI Campfire Regular
shootAI Campfire Regular S Joined: May 2013 Posts: 869 Prospect creek, MT	I am too stupid to post pics but I had the same thing happen to me on a pre-64 action custom rifle by a well known maker. His ammo as well. Action looks very similar and my barrel was down range but in great shape. Checked the remaining ammo and it all checked out. It was my third shot of a range session. First one right where it was aimed. Next shot off a hair right and I decided to fire a third to verify and boom explosion. Very loud when a gun blows up. Cartridge was a 257 wby mag. I had eye protection but still had major facial injuries and an eye surgery to remove foreign material from my eye. Came to on the floor in the corner of the shooting house. Sorry for your friend. It made me nervous for months afterwards to shoot and when other people shot. I would find myself backing up. I will send pictures to anyone interested by text. Then you can post them up. Just PM me.

Re: model 70 explosion shootAI #15580624 12/28/20
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,522 Likes: 1 Alaska valley trash 7 79S Campfire Ranger
79S Campfire Ranger 7 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,522 Likes: 1 Alaska valley trash	Originally Posted by shootAI I am too stupid to post pics but I had the same thing happen to me on a pre-64 action custom rifle by a well known maker. His ammo as well. Action looks very similar and my barrel was down range but in great shape. Checked the remaining ammo and it all checked out. It was my third shot of a range session. First one right where it was aimed. Next shot off a hair right and I decided to fire a third to verify and boom explosion. Very loud when a gun blows up. Cartridge was a 257 wby mag. I had eye protection but still had major facial injuries and an eye surgery to remove foreign material from my eye. Came to on the floor in the corner of the shooting house. Sorry for your friend. It made me nervous for months afterwards to shoot and when other people shot. I would find myself backing up. I will send pictures to anyone interested by text. Then you can post them up. Just PM me. What was the verdict on why it blew up? Originally Posted by Bricktop Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.

Re: model 70 explosion mtman04 #15580635 12/28/20
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,170 Likes: 2 SE Texas ltppowell Campfire Kahuna
ltppowell Campfire Kahuna Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,170 Likes: 2 SE Texas	I know the 1969 Field and Stream guys will have a fit, but there is nothing special about that rifle...other than Field and Stream. Something's never change. The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.

Re: model 70 explosion 79S #15580646 12/28/20
Joined: May 2013 Posts: 869 Prospect creek, MT S shootAI Campfire Regular
shootAI Campfire Regular S Joined: May 2013 Posts: 869 Prospect creek, MT	Originally Posted by 79S Originally Posted by shootAI I am too stupid to post pics but I had the same thing happen to me on a pre-64 action custom rifle by a well known maker. His ammo as well. Action looks very similar and my barrel was down range but in great shape. Checked the remaining ammo and it all checked out. It was my third shot of a range session. First one right where it was aimed. Next shot off a hair right and I decided to fire a third to verify and boom explosion. Very loud when a gun blows up. Cartridge was a 257 wby mag. I had eye protection but still had major facial injuries and an eye surgery to remove foreign material from my eye. Came to on the floor in the corner of the shooting house. Sorry for your friend. It made me nervous for months afterwards to shoot and when other people shot. I would find myself backing up. I will send pictures to anyone interested by text. Then you can post them up. Just PM me. What was the verdict on why it blew up? Never came up with one unfortunately.

Re: model 70 explosion mtman04 #15580657 12/28/20
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,522 Likes: 1 Alaska valley trash 7 79S Campfire Ranger
79S Campfire Ranger 7 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,522 Likes: 1 Alaska valley trash	Posting pictures for shootai Originally Posted by Bricktop Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.

Re: model 70 explosion mtman04 #15580658 12/28/20
Joined: May 2013 Posts: 869 Prospect creek, MT S shootAI Campfire Regular
shootAI Campfire Regular S Joined: May 2013 Posts: 869 Prospect creek, MT	A new rifle was built to replace this one for no charge and I moved on. Medical bills were supposed to be paid as well but weren’t. I finally decided to just move on. I am in the firearms business myself though retail and suing the gentlemen just never sat right with me. Maybe it was no fault of his. We will never know.

Re: model 70 explosion mtman04 #15580664 12/28/20
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shootAI Campfire Regular S Joined: May 2013 Posts: 869 Prospect creek, MT	Thank you 79S for posting those.

Re: model 70 explosion mtman04 #15580666 12/28/20
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,522 Likes: 1 Alaska valley trash 7 79S Campfire Ranger
79S Campfire Ranger 7 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,522 Likes: 1 Alaska valley trash	More pictures for shootai Originally Posted by Bricktop Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.

Re: model 70 explosion mtman04 #15580672 12/28/20
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,522 Likes: 1 Alaska valley trash 7 79S Campfire Ranger
79S Campfire Ranger 7 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,522 Likes: 1 Alaska valley trash	Last ones Originally Posted by Bricktop Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.

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