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On the spot, of course. I shoot an elk with a 6.5 creed, bang flop. You shoot an elk with a 338 Ultra Kick Ass Mag, bang flop. Which one was most effective? Assuming a typical behind the shoulder shot placement you wont get too many bang flops with a Creedmoor. You may also not get any indication the animal was hit. Okay you win. Your elk is more dead. Fact of the matter is I've seen way more critters lost to big calibers with more powder than to the opposite. Does this mean bigger is less effective? Of course not. Its because the more experienced we get the more we realize that more powder is not needed. Experienced (better) shooters/hunters use less powder, on average. That does it. You have convinced me to hunt elk with a 223. Or you could get real crazy and stick one with an arrow. Since we are in a race to the bottom why not just use a spear?
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I’m gonna duck tape steak knives to my fingers, go head up with any elk. #elkfighter.net
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Better go with Bowie’s , I hear elk are pretty tough.
They’ll give you a bigger “ margin of error”.
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I'm just going to Ninja-chop them to death with my bare hands.
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Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
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Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
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Lol!!! I almost spit up some Bourbon on my keyboard.
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Lol!!! I almost spit up some Bourbon on my keyboard. Haha I love it!! 😂😂
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Post #4676551 12/08/10
The point is instead of worrying about adequate let�s talk about what is the absolute best elk cartridge in the world??
So after 10yrs did anyone figure out what the absolute best elk cartridge in the world is? Did anyone convince anyone to sell their elk rifle or buy/build a new one as a direct result of this thread? How about these questions: What is the absolute best pickup truck in the world?? What is the absolute best bino in the world?? What is the absolute best restaurant in the world?? What is the absolute best refrigerator in the world?? What is the absolute best red wine in the world?? What is the absolute best fighter jet in the world?? Laffinn..........carry on......
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Post #4676551 12/08/10
The point is instead of worrying about adequate let�s talk about what is the absolute best elk cartridge in the world??
So after 10yrs did anyone figure out what the absolute best elk cartridge in the world is? Did anyone convince anyone to sell their elk rifle or buy/build a new one as a direct result of this thread? How about these questions: What is the absolute best pickup truck in the world?? What is the absolute best bino in the world?? What is the absolute best restaurant in the world?? What is the absolute best refrigerator in the world?? What is the absolute best red wine in the world?? What is the absolute best fighter jet in the world?? Laffinn..........carry on...... So true, sure is funny
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Are you going to be wearing Past shooting lingerie? I’m trying to grow a man bun.
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Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
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What is the absolute best red wine in the world??
Easy. Whatever I'm drinking at the time. What is the absolute best fighter jet in the world??
Easier. F22 Raptor.
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SOB, you drink wine and talk smack about a Creedmoor? What is the absolute best red wine in the world??
Easy. Whatever I'm drinking at the time.
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Haha oh god damn now that’s funny!!
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Yes, it is. When talking about shooting rifles and how much recoil is too much, we generally assume .... Who's "we"? And no we don't. Anyone who assumes something illogical in a bet can't change the bet afterwards. We: the members of this forum and others that have been discussing this very topic for decades. The standard assumption is no artificial recoil reduction. You've heard for years that the average hunter can't handle the recoil from anything larger than about a .30-06, yes? That obviously means no muzzle brake, no Past recoil shield, no lead sled, etc. Come on. You know what I meant by my original statement. You're being deliberately obtuse, and are just trying to be argumentative. .. I'm betting that if you were to shoot that rifle from prone or from the bench 50 times in a practice session (the average guy zeros and practices from the bench, remember), you'd see your first bruise. ...
That's how I shoot from the bench. I'm not talking about laying it some lead-sled or something. I'm talking about holding it normally and simply putting a cheap pad on that radically reduces felt recoil but doesn't change anything else. If your clients are afraid of recoil and shoot poorly, why don't you recommend that simple solution instead of becoming an enabler to their recoil terror? That's not shooting a rifle normally. If I shoot from the bench by sitting at the bench normally, and then simply pressing a button so my tripod-mounted 20mm Vulcan fires at the target, I guess by your logic I can handle the recoil from firing a 20mm Vulcan from the bench? Come on, man. This is ridiculous. This whole argument is like competing in the Special Olympics. There is no need to recommend an excessively large rifle and a recoil shield to anyone, when a smaller rifle kills just as cleanly and plenty quick enough, IME. If a guy simply wants to use a large magnum and recoil shield, or even a 20mm, he can have at it! No skin off my back. Look, if you want to shoot your big magnums with a Cabelas or Past recoil shield, that's fine with me. If you want to pretend like you won some twisted bet, then I'm happy for you.
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I would use Remington model 721 300 H&H with a Leupold VXII 1.5x5x20mm duplex reticle. Shooting a Nolser 200gr. Partition handload that I inheraited from my father. . This - although mine has a 3.5x10 and I might use 180's.
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Remember back when hunting magazines were a thing? And every other issue had a Craig Boddington article about how elk were bulletproof and your kids and women needed at least the bare minimum 7 mag but men should be shooting 300s, 338s, or his favorite the 8 mag?
I told my dad and uncle about what I’d read as an impressionable young fellow and they went “huh”. My uncle then showed me the mason jar full of ivories in his gun closet, products of his plain old 270. Dad had a handful in his desk drawer, all fallen to his matching plain old 270. The one “magic trick” they used was the 150 Partition, oh and shooting them in the front half.
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[quote=MarineHawk]That's not shooting a rifle normally. If I shoot from the bench by sitting at the bench normally, and then simply pressing a button so my tripod-mounted 20mm Vulcan fires at the target, I guess by your logic I can handle the recoil from firing a 20mm Vulcan from the bench? Come on, man. This is ridiculous. This whole argument is like competing in the Special Olympics.
There is no need to recommend an excessively large rifle and a recoil shield to anyone, when a smaller rifle kills just as cleanly and plenty quick enough, IME. If a guy simply wants to use a large magnum and recoil shield, or even a 20mm, he can have at it! No skin off my back.
Look, if you want to shoot your big magnums with a Cabelas or Past recoil shield, that's fine with me. If you want to pretend like you won some twisted bet, then I'm happy for you.
You’re absurd. I’m not shooting anything off a tripod, just shooting normally with a 1/4” pad over my shoulder. I’ve shot that thing countless times without a pad with no bruising, including when I forgot to bring the pad. Look at the video I posted above (here, again: https://i.imgur.com/xMUu4AG.mp4); no pad on; no bruising. It just allows you to shoot NORMALLY with EVEN less recoil. I don’t need to use the pad, but it doesn’t do anything negative when shooting NORMALLY. I suggest that your client who allegedly go hunting after shooting 10” groups with a .300, but purportedly shoots with NASA-like precision when you hand him a rifle you purportedly told them has less recoil, might want to try something to reduce felt recoil while shooting NORMALLY. Here’s my son again shooting a 300 WM normally with a thin pad that just reduces the recoil. At 16, he’s consistently under a MOA. Big difference: I don’t care, and am not am insecure about, what you shoot. But if anyone claims that anything more potent than a Creddmore might be a viable option, you get you panties in a wad and get all offended that your way is not the only way.
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