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Right-on.
Just woke up. Had a dream I got mixed up with two young single chicks. There was fishing for big trout, bikinis, guns, to top it off I found a free stash of Starrett measurement tools! Woke up happy!
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Get close and wack em hard!
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"I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!"
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Don’t think this one is for sale. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/p3zgvzS.jpg)
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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Thats a nice looking old lathe. What brand?
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1943 Springfield 16" x 56" Gear Head Lathe
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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Years ago, I started on an old Sebaston in my company's shop.They had South Bend and I bought a big Leblond for them for $12K. We made sabots for tank killer rounds on it. They sold everything when they closed down and I missed a lot including 3 Bridgeport mills with all the tooling that went cheap.I ended up a small Jet, 36" bed 1/1/2" spindle for $300, that has about .002 run out an slop in the cross feed. . It's good enough to fix things here on my small farm an d I have been able to make a few expander plugs for Lees dies for my old 38-40 and 38-55 that shoot over sized cast
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I have a Monarch 10EE and a Clausing 6913 in 14X48. The Monarch is wonderful but not easily adapted to barrel work. The Clausing is a variable speed machine. I have a couple or 5 friends that have Heavy 10 Southbends. I run from them. Yeah I know that a lot of folks make them work, but not me. I have used a couple Grizzlies and they really impressed me. If I had one I would install a VFD for better control of the spindle speed. Problem with them is the D1-5 AND D1-6 chucks. Way too big and heavy! Yeah, thirty years ago I was into weight lifting, but no more.
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I have a Monarch 10EE and a Clausing 6913 in 14X48... I am green with envy.
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I've heard far too many complaints about Grizzly tools- especially their machine tools - to take a chance on them. Their QC is absolute crap and customer service after the sale from experienced machinists I know is rated very low. The PM is just a few steps above the Grizzly in the reviews I have read about them. I have a couple Grizzly tools I bought at garage sales and other places and while they have lots of cast iron in them, the assembly, fit, and finish is questionable and adjustments are horrible- especially on the 6 x 48 Sander 9" disc combo I have...
Check on shipping quotes to your area on LTL carriers and see if it would be worthwhile to have a used machine shipped if you can find the right deal. Much better chance of finding one with tooling . For the right deal it would be worth driving quite a distance to pick up with a trailer and bring home. A really nice South Bend Heavy 10 or a Craftsman Model 12 IIRC, which is basically the same machine. Same as the smaller Atlas and Craftsman machines are basically the same machines. Parts are still available for almost all of these more common machines also, new and used.
Once you have a good lathe, you'll be looking for all kinds of projects to do with it. I've made a bunch of parts on mine for my hot rod- bushings, etc... and whatever I can find to get some practice... I have a number of Grizzly machines and tools.Zero complaints from me. Shipping was really slow recently... My gunsmith lathe is a Nardini 1440. If I were buying a new one I would look hard at the South Bend 1440 or Kent
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...I have a number of Grizzly machines and tools.Zero complaints from me. Shipping was really slow recently...
I would look hard at the South Bend 1440... South Bend is now a Grizzly brand. I would pass on Grizzly machines, as I have been disappointed in the two I have owned.
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I would stay away from the Craftsman type lathe or any of the smaller lathes that do not have a V grove on the bed. I have seen too many of the ones that do not have V groves have trouble keeping the tail stock and saddle in perfect alignment.
I may not be smart but I can lift heavy objects
I have a shotgun so I have no need for a 30-06.....
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...I have a number of Grizzly machines and tools.Zero complaints from me. Shipping was really slow recently...
I would look hard at the South Bend 1440... South Bend is now a Grizzly brand. I would pass on Grizzly machines, as I have been disappointed in the two I have owned. The Taiwanese lathes are pretty dang nice. Anything with a Grizzly banner is now Chinese.
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New, tight machines are nice, but you’ll learn a whole lot more on one that’s been around.
I’m speaking of lathes...........
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I had a Clausing 5913 in 2002 that had been Boeing. I chamered some rifles. I had an Atlas 12x36. I chambered a few rifles with it. I had a Grizzly mini lathe and chambered a few pistols with it. In 2009 I ordered a new PM1236 Precision Matthews with DRO. I have used it nearly every day for 12 years. My brother hates foreign stuff, but he has had a Jet 13x40 for 20 years and cannot find anything wrong with it. The guy at Applied Science is way smarter than me at technical stuff, and he has a Griz gunsmithing lathe for science. https://www.youtube.com/c/AppliedScience/videosI believe in imported lathes and old American mills.... follow the money.
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Hey hey... A few things.
Mr Lambert, the other day I had the pleasure and entertainment of coming across a Practical Machinst thread in which you thoroughly handed a non-smithing machinist prick his internet ass during a classic debate between the through the headstock vs between centers schools. I am still grinning.
Out of hundreds of used lathe ads I have seen exactly one with "lots" of tooling. A broken lathe, and chinky tools and a dubious story. From what I have seen you are damned lucky to get a proper steady rest with a good used lathe.
Some fantastic machines, built to last, are out there, but, damned few meet my criteria which has been more narrowly defined lately. Frankly I don't want 7.5 hp, I will not take a 25" wide headstock or 1.25" spindle bore. I do really like some of those 15/16/18x50/60 machines, but, they are simply not what I need. Goodness I don't want to be lugging around a 15" chuck either!
While it might make sense to jump in at $2500 and see if I even like turning, LOL, I am probably going all in. Just about to make the plunge, another week or two I should be there. Gulp. LOL
Appreciate all the great input on this. Don't get me wrong, I too think it'd be great to get $10000 worth of tooling thrown in cause I'm so nice, but, I ain't holding my breath.
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Those are tools, true. But that is not what he needs...holding tools, chucks, steady rest, cutting tools, boring tools, threading tools, centers, sleeves, taper tooling, adapters, chucking reamers, drills, tool post grinder, on and on...lathe/turning tools as opposed to machinists personal tools.
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I'm aware of that, but measuring tools are extremely helpful and expensive to procure as you go. Also, the ad says he has many other tools and some are shown on the pics. It would be worth an ask to see what was available and to see if he had some Aloris style tool holders to go with his cutters and boring bars, among other things.... all part of the negotiations, IMO....
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